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Saraki Ishikela
Deep Space Adventure Time
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:03:00 -
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So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.
I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.
To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.
For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.
I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?
ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:06:00 -
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I prefer the inherent danger of Highsec. 0.0 is for wusses. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:07:00 -
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I'm a non-combatant and a loner, plus it annoys me having to go through all those additional steps needed to avoid getting on the same grid as a hostile.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:11:00 -
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Any organised nullsec will have their own internal logistics guys running Jump Freighter services, and besides, there will always be someone stocking your home system with the essentials, and if the alliance has set doctrines, someone will be setting up contracts of doctrine ships (and if not, well, congratulations, you've just found a really easy way to make lots of money!). I've been in Nullsec for four years, and getting hold of ships has never been a problem (sure, sometimes you will have to eat a nasty mark-up, but thats life). Depending where your "home" is out in space, it might not even be too hard to physically fly the ships you need out (I did this for every ship I had the first six months in null since I didn't know about Jump Freighter services!); granted, this is time-consuming and a little dangerous, but take it from someone who knows, it teaches you a lot about how to travel while evading hostiles!
Skillbooks is more tricky, but you'll want Jump Clones out in null anyway, so make sure you have one set up in highsec, and at a worst-case scenario, you can jump to your highsec clone to buy and inject as you need. |
Cazador 64
1st Steps Academy
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:12:00 -
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I think everyone should start in Hi sec but in time Move to Null or WH space. I used to be that guy that never went to low sec now you are lucky to catch me in hi sec once every 3 months.
I do not have problems replacing ships or finding the things I need.
If there is something I can not find like a skill book take the 20 minutes and take a ceptor to jita |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:27:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Any organised nullsec will have their own internal logistics guys running Jump Freighter services, and besides, there will always be someone stocking your home system with the essentials, and if the alliance has set doctrines, someone will be setting up contracts of doctrine ships (and if not, well, congratulations, you've just found a really easy way to make lots of money!). I've been in Nullsec for four years, and getting hold of ships has never been a problem (sure, sometimes you will have to eat a nasty mark-up, but thats life).
This. Even if you take a small corp of poor players out of empire who don't have JFs you can talk to other friendlies and get logistics help (even small things like scouts/cynos are useful). A lot of people start out with suitcase carriers initially to be self sufficient - it works at a corp or solo level. Plenty of people live in null without ever having owned a JF, or even being particularly wealthy.
Even though null sov is fairly stable at the moment there are also always people returning to game and firesaling fitted ships on contracts in stations they can't get to, and in NPC regions if they are relocating. Once you get into the swing of it, you really won't be losing lots of ships constantly anyway, so it's reasonably easy to build up a decent cache of ships and mods over time. Another useful thing now with having small/medium rigs which are relatively cheap - just buy hulls and keep caches of common rigs/mods then if need be flip them about and repackage ships where needed. You don't need to maintain a cache of fully fitted ships at all times.
Anyone nervous about leaving highsec due to logistics should just spend a few weeks in empire during a wardec, then lowsec, then an NPC null area, or a wormhole. After that a well organised null alliance seems like a holiday tbh, even compared to Empire logistics. Least you don't run the risk of being ganked whilst stuck on a gate trying to jump into Jita on a weekend, or AFKing a freighter through a hotspot :P
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Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:43:00 -
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Saraki Ishikela wrote:ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.
Local chat, stations and stargates.
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Dhaq
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:47:00 -
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I tried it, didnt care for it. It feels the same as high/low sec only with more logistical headaches. I decided to try wormhole living instead and it seems to be more to my liking. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:49:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Saraki Ishikela wrote:ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc. Local chat, stations and stargates.
Hrmm all 3 of those are in null sec I do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying because null has local chat stations and stargates you do not go? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2798
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:49:00 -
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1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics
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Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:55:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Saraki Ishikela wrote:ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc. Local chat, stations and stargates. Hrmm all 3 of those are in null sec I do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying because null has local chat stations and stargates you do not go?
Saraki said "What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec".
Although actually I do go to nullsec, regularly in fact. But I wouldn't live there for those reasons listed. I prefer the life of a frontier ninja.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
83
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:58:00 -
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Everyone and their mother gatecamping the highsec to low/null gates. If there was a way to bridge me from highsec into the next lowsec system in a random location in the system, I'd do it without hesitating. |
Arec Bardwin
1442
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:00:00 -
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I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
773
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:01:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:I prefer the life of a super hot frontier ninja. FTFY |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:04:00 -
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wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:06:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I'm a non-combatant and a loner, plus it annoys me having to go through all those additional steps needed to avoid getting on the same grid as a hostile.
Steps? There is only one step. Watch local. As soon as neutral enters system you safe up. The enter the local list long before they even load gate grid.
If you want to be lazy and afk occasionally glance at intel chat and if anything gets within 3jump safe up.
Nullsec is safer then highsec
Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Brea Lafail
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:08:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
It's this for me. I'm pretty sure I actually get more isk/hr doing lvl4s than 0.0 anoms due to constant interruptions, and with less risk. |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
10895
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:09:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:I prefer the life of a super hot frontier ninja. FTFY
Oh stop it you. 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22635
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:15:00 -
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I just can't be arsed.
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
11
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:15:00 -
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Too busy answering the question "What is keeping you from going to null sec" |
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
774
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:16:00 -
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Bullshit politics, CTA's and never being able to settle down for a longer period of time.
Although I suppose that last one is sort of outdated since hardly any big hostile landgrabs occur anymore 
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Victor Andall
543
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:18:00 -
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Uh...grr Goons?
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
11
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:18:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec.
Without local, no, that cannot be.
This thread is now a remove local thread.
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Dhaq
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:36:00 -
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Frank Truck wrote:Naraish Adarn wrote:wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec. Without local, no, that cannot be. This thread is now a remove local thread.
Wait, wouldn't that be a nerf AFK cloaking thread? If you can't see them in local you dont have to worry about them.
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards
The Bastards.
383
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:46:00 -
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The slide show that is large fleet combat |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1982
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:47:00 -
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Saraki Ishikela wrote:I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing...
I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?
From my experience, the logistics of nullsec is relatively easy to prepare for. I'll qualify the rest of my answer by declaring that my nullsec activities take place in Syndicate, which has easy access back to highsec.
I currently have 2 characters living permanently in nullsec. One industrial alt running PI and manufacturing; and one exploration/anom/sig running alt who helps gather resources and components that are needed for my manufacturing operations.
Aside from exploration currently being very competitive since the release of Kronos, I find it more profitable to explore in nullsec than lowsec.
Logistically these 2 characters pose a couple of problems:
1. how to supply them with replacement ships, skillbooks, consumables (ammo and drones); and
2. how to shift finished products to highsec markets
However, these don't really pose much of a challenge. I have them based only 6 jumps from a highsec regional market (Stacmon), which is also only a couple of minutes jumping to Dodixie if needed.
For both of them, they make the slow trip through star gates using cloaked ships, with a good set of bookmarks (MHC - Harroule gate tends to be the only real issue). I have never lost a ship travelling that way.
If I have to bring in any additional ships that are not cloaky, then I cyno direct to and from Dastryns, which connects to Stacmon.
Between the 2 characters, it only adds a few minutes to jump through to Dastryns/nullsec, swap ships and light the cyno.
While my industry alt is 15 days away from flying an Anshar, we also have Corp logistics with jump freighters if needed.
In reality though, between the 2 characters I can manage all of the logistics whenever I need something; and mostly I manage it ok with just 1 online.
On the need for replacement ships, my exploration alt flies a Stratios and has never even come close to losing it (touch wood). If you have a good set of bookmarks or make midwarp bookmarks when you are in a new system and just want to pass through, you can manage the risks of nullsec easily. Jumping into a bubble is about the only problem, but that's where the ingame map, dotlan and killboards come in handy; along with good knowledge of the people who live around me and when they are normally online.
To consolidate the logistics, my explo alt trades all loot, salvage and reprocessed minerals to my industry alt, who then more frequently heads out to highsec to sell overseer's personal effects, faction modules, etc. since that character is usually hauling some products to sell anyway.
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ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:49:00 -
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Time...
I don't have it like I used to and that means I don't have enough to be a null drone.
The large scale battles get boring and the small scale ones don't happen enough. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
872
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:56:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Anyone nervous about leaving highsec due to logistics should just spend a few weeks in empire during a wardec, then lowsec, then an NPC null area, or a wormhole. After that a well organised null alliance seems like a holiday tbh, even compared to Empire logistics.
Totes.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1388
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:00:00 -
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CTA's because I don't have a good time zone or reliable play time. Also the current state of Sov/Blue Doughnut is unappealing. But mainly I just don't have the time to put in that null alliances demand. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
311
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:19:00 -
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I tried null. It's at a state where I felt like the complaints we hear from modern militaries. Just waiting around until the next big fight.
It didn't help with me being in the wrong timezone I'd log on to the tail end of an op every single time. I never answered ctas as work comes first and frankly **** your space empire. I wanted to participate but regrettably I was consigned to belt ratting as my daily activity and the boredom in it was punctuated by the loss of my golem to a 6-man group with ogb and all the duffs. Why even bother I asked myself? And the answer I heard was "hodor".
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