Any organised nullsec will have their own internal logistics guys running Jump Freighter services, and besides, there will always be someone stocking your home system with the essentials, and if the alliance has set doctrines, someone will be setting up contracts of doctrine ships (and if not, well, congratulations, you've just found a really easy way to make lots of money!). I've been in Nullsec for four years, and getting hold of ships has never been a problem (sure, sometimes you will have to eat a nasty mark-up, but thats life).

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

Local chat, stations and stargates.

Hrmm all 3 of those are in null sec I do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying because null has local chat stations and stargates you do not go?

I prefer the life of a super hot frontier ninja.

I'm a non-combatant and a loner, plus it annoys me having to go through all those additional steps needed to avoid getting on the same grid as a hostile.

1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.

FTFY

wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec.

Without local, no, that cannot be.

This thread is now a remove local thread.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing...

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

Anyone nervous about leaving highsec due to logistics should just spend a few weeks in empire during a wardec, then lowsec, then an NPC null area, or a wormhole. After that a well organised null alliance seems like a holiday tbh, even compared to Empire logistics.

Local chat, stations and stargates.

My lack of a jf, excessive rental fees for what I want to do and the inherent instability......and the lack of a market in many cases. Null intrigues the hell out of me, but its not profitable from my position given the entry barrier+rent. Leaving my corp isn't an option. I'll have to wait until feel like tossing 2b out of a window every month.

I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations.

This x 1000

I think everyone should start in Hi sec but in time Move to Null or WH space. I used to be that guy that never went to low sec now you are lucky to catch me in hi sec once every 3 months.
I do not have problems replacing ships or finding the things I need.

If there is something I can not find like a skill book take the 20 minutes and take a ceptor to jita

Everyone and their mother gatecamping the highsec to low/null gates. If there was a way to bridge me from highsec into the next lowsec system in a random location in the system, I'd do it without hesitating.

1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics

I guess some people just never learn that there are jump clones in the game.

I guess some people just never learn that there are jump clones in the game.

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

I especially bristle when I'm told how things are supposed to be. I don't know how I got this way. I probably read too much Orwell.

Everyone and their mother gatecamping the highsec to low/null gates. If there was a way to bridge me from highsec into the next lowsec system in a random location in the system, I'd do it without hesitating.

I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations.

It's this for me. I'm pretty sure I actually get more isk/hr doing lvl4s than 0.0 anoms due to constant interruptions, and with less risk.

The slide show that is large fleet combat

CTA's because I don't have a good time zone or reliable play time. Also the current state of Sov/Blue Doughnut is unappealing. But mainly I just don't have the time to put in that null alliances demand.

Sounds like i've already made the right choice to live in low sec haha

Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.

Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.

So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec

I guess some people just never learn that there are jump clones in the game.

Blue doughnut is what's stopping me.

I play the game for fun and relaxation, not to be told by some asswipe what to do 24/7. If I wanted that, I'd get married.

I play the game for fun and relaxation, not to be told by some asswipe what to do 24/7. If I wanted that, I'd get married.

Do you like the artwork of Timothy Bradstreet?

I had to look him up as I did not know the artist by name, but I recognize his work on White Wolf material from the past. While comics are not my favourite art style, I do like his high-contrast style. Why do you ask?

I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations.

Having someone screaming at everyone at the top of his pitchy, nasally voice on comms during CTAs is quite unappealing....

I play the game for fun and relaxation, not to be told by some asswipe what to do 24/7. If I wanted that, I'd get married.

I just can't be arsed.

I don't like the way local chat works. If it wasn't for WH space i would have quit a long time ago.

I don't like the way local chat works. If it wasn't for WH space i would have quit a long time ago.

That is definitely what life in Providence as a Provibloc alliance member was like when I was there :-)

As a fellow ex-provi member, there's no better video which represents day to day pvp down there.

See, problems like this are easily fixed - there are plenty of organisations you can join if you want to shoot me! Hell, as a WIdot pubbie, you can join our side and make disparaging comments my way freely all day long, and fit right in.

I have an even easier fix: stop trying, I'm not interested. I'm not being sarcastic, the way nullsec apologists recruit people really reminds me of Jehova's Witnesses. Just look at your own reply: implying there's a problem that needs fixing. I'm sure there are enough organizations that would allow me to shoot you, but what makes you think I require anyones approval?

So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

@Ramona McCandless: I can't deny I tried giving my avatar picture a hard light contrast, so I can see how you make that connection.

As a New Order supporter and ganker it is well known that we are too scared to live in nullsec. So I would never live there. I also am afraid of wh space. Good ole safe Hisec is the place for me!

1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics

The CFC... oh wait...

Or, perhaps, you could consider I was just having a light-hearted joke. You know, rather than taking your fairly snotty and self-righteous call-out personally

Wait, wouldn't that be a nerf AFK cloaking thread? If you can't see them in local you dont have to worry about them.

- my character is new. I don't have enough skill points to move to nullsec without losing 100% of the 1 vs 1 pvp matches. Needs two more years of training before I can see a change. *yawns*

1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics

Last time/first time I went to null with a corp/alliance...they told me I wasn't allowed to talk to people in local. Ever. So I thought that was stupid and left.
I guess the only thing keeping me from going there is finding the right group to join.

Part of our hostility towards null entities is off course based on their meddling in lowsec (aka claiming all profitable moons, every attemt to go past RF = titan drop) in predictable fashion

2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics

Nothing like content in lowsec

So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

Mainly CTAs, IRL Job + bashing structures till next day morning isn't thing for me and clearly I can't leave in the middle of the fight because I have meeting next day. That leaves for me doing plexes and ratting solo which both will be seen as act of leeching in alliance and doing nothing to help them. I tried nullsec for 4 months and I booted myself when I found myself in no use to my alliance and returned back to hisec.

My statement doesn't differ from rest of ppl here, that should gives CCP and alliances an insight of why we are piling in hisec.

This as well as not wanting to be just another nameless cog in the big "machine".

Mainly CTAs, IRL Job + bashing structures till next day morning isn't thing for me and clearly I can't leave in the middle of the fight because I have meeting next day. That leaves for me doing plexes and ratting solo which both will be seen as act of leeching in alliance and doing nothing to help them. I tried nullsec for 4 months and I booted myself when I found myself in no use to my alliance and returned back to hisec.

My statement doesn't differ from rest of ppl here, that should gives CCP and alliances an insight of why we are piling in hisec.

Maybe I was a bit negative in my previous post, and didn't mention that another reason not to want to make this move again is the abundance of healthy alternatives. Lowsec has been massively buffed over the last few years in terns of income probability and right now, I can wholeheartedly say I can make more ISK/Hr in lowsec then I can in nullsec (with my SP which is mainly PVP oriented anyway).

Isn't it crafty how CCP tried to cover many playstyles in their MMO? Carebear, roguelike, conquest... it's up to you how you play. I enjoy video games and I might go as far as to call myself a hardcore gamer, but I don't have any incentive to set alarm clocks for a video game. It's fine to leave nullsec to the empire builders that have the time, you don't have to get involved in any of that.

I apologize if any previous comments sounded hostile on a personal level. I recently had a conversation with a corpmate about emergent gameplay, and how it was cool our insignificant corporation almost reached it's 2nd birthday and was still content setting the tone in a lowsec area. It warms my heart to see a group of people sharing their knowledge and most of all, a common philosophy and respect for one another. We've been in nullsec together and hated it. Part of our hostility towards null entities is off course based on their meddling in lowsec (aka claiming all profitable moons, every attemt to go past RF = titan drop) in predictable fashion, but also a difference in philosophy and chances to commit time (the latter I blame mostly on CCP, not the sov owners).

I'd also like to stress that getting involved in politics is a matter of opening your mouth on Teamspeak. This has no bearing on what type of space your group enjoys, but your willingness to interact and your actual social skills.

I don't want to be a feudal serf.

Currently live in NPC Null. I like it there.

Wouldn't want to move to Sov Null as I'm not a fan of the station mechanics. I like being able to dock in any station I choose (couldn't do Provi as wouldn't live by NRDS).

Also like the easy route I've got back to hisec for buying ships etc, so I'm not wholly beholden on local markets or corp level logistics.

Because null sec "sov transfer" wars are boring!

Infinitely better than grinding them all.

I want to play when I want, where I want, as briefly as I want, and not have to meet the wants and needs of anyone else. Or even talk to them.

See my sig.

E:

And because **** them, that's why.

4) Logistics of getting new ships/modules into null sec.

Shouldn't ask if you can't handle answers.

Also if null is so awesome why are you so concern about people living in all other areas? If there is so much fun and things to do there why do you care about us, miserable bastards wasting our time and money elsewhere?

You make null access so easy anyone can do it, it will STILL be to hard for most.

Lots of angry people who weren't good enough to get into 0.0 in this thread.

And lots more who are better by simply exercising a sense of free will and saying "Nyet" to a life of submission under anyone else. Imagine that.

People working together is bad yo.

A guy with a tengu and acnhoring lvl 1 (so they can anchor a can) can (if he's willing to make 3-4 trips to empire every 6 weeks or so in a cargo expanded covert/nullified fit) can set up shop in null and pve his ass to riches for a long time. Solo..... Casually.... Long in when you want, log off when you want.

How many people do that, out of 400+k accounts in EVE? Maybe a handful.

People working together is bad yo.

A guy with a Tengu, eh? That's somebody who has spent 1 year + of sub money skilling up to be able to fly that (properly, not just sit in it) just so they can get killed periodically while attempting to run the perpetual gate camps, blockades and roams that define the periphery of null. Guys with Tengus get killed *all the time* in my neighbourhood in null.

That is why so few do that. Because it is neither scalable nor sustainable.

Null is safer then high sec these days.

It doesn't help that CCP has year after year handed lazy people more and more "stay at home" (high sec) and "day trip'" (low sec, wormholes) content.

Exactly the point, I'll bet you've never tried it.

Because Nullsec is largely ****. There is absolutely no reason to actually live there, unless you enjoy the CTA's and TIDI fights. As an individual you never see money from moons or rent,

Good thing we're hopelessly indoctrinated then.

Oh, I know, let me leak our top secret ctas, we recently had a "defcon 25* all hands on trouser snake stratop"

If only we were elite enough to not F1 and just use drone assist...

I know, but drone assist monkey just doesn't have the same ring to it :P Blobmonkey works I suppose.

Having said that, I was in a FW system the other day and the locals were screaming about filthy blobbers. At 7 of us in dessies. Honestly I laughed so hard I nearly died to gate guns. Maybe they were roleplaying. There's an odd vibe in lowsec, like everyone is either off their **** all the time or a bit loopy. Works for me v0v

1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics

I know, but drone assist monkey just doesn't have the same ring to it :P Blobmonkey works I suppose.

Having said that, I was in a FW system the other day and the locals were screaming about filthy blobbers. At 7 of us in dessies. Honestly I laughed so hard I nearly died to gate guns. Maybe they were roleplaying. There's an odd vibe in lowsec, like everyone is either off their **** all the time or a bit loopy. Works for me v0v

Boy you make a strong argument on the merits of Nullsec.

"Hey guys we didn't really do anything today. We formed up a 50 man roaming fleet but no one would fight us because we are blue to everything within 30 jumps in either direction."

You sig demonstrates someone who doesn't know how to pick a proper null sec corporation lol.

That reminds me, one of the guys in Fweddit mentioned when they got too large they were autoblobbing people simply by reputation, so they came to nullsec to get fights. Though they have recently become a CFC member alliance, seems they're happy in their home in FWland

SMUGCAST: We just completely ran roughshod over irrelevant lowsec nerds

And because f-- oh Hell, nevermind.

A guy with a Tengu, eh? That's somebody who has spent 1 year + of sub money skilling up to be able to fly that (properly, not just sit in it) just so they can get killed periodically while attempting to run the perpetual gate camps, blockades and roams that define the periphery of null. Guys with Tengus get killed *all the time* in my neighbourhood in null.

That is why so few do that. Because it is neither scalable nor sustainable.

Boy you make a strong argument on the merits of Nullsec.

"Hey guys we didn't really do anything today. We formed up a 50 man roaming fleet but no one would fight us because we are blue to everything within 30 jumps in either direction."

Thats the thing with empires, they tend to get big.

OK, everyone... get a billion in assets and move it all to station X in system Y in three days. We'll have carriers for everyone to move their crap, except you because you're in a stupid timezone and you go to work and sleep.

OK great, we're all here, awesome... Now this is super important! We're all going to go bash a POS, no exceptions and you must have this fit that we didn't tell you about yesterday. Great.

OK, um, everyone, I got bored being the FC so I'm dropping corp, selling my character and joining Panda McLegion on an alt... bye.

Hi, new CEO here, super excited to see you all here. As my first act I'm afraid I'm going to have to bump the corp tax rate to 30% and ask everyone to send me 40million ISK apiece tonight because the other guy emptied the corp wallet when he left and we have to pay the alliance fees and rent.

Um, hi again everybody... Look I know we just moved here last week but it looks like the alliance we rent from is losing sovereignty, so get all your stuff moved to low sec until we sort out where we're going to be based again...

Great job on the move. This corp wasn't what I really wanted to do, so, uh, I'm going to disband it. Fly safe! Maybe go join Goons.

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Also... Just had a kid, no time for serious internet spaceships.

Forever expanding like bacteria that stinks up the place.

That smell would be the peasants making lots of noise about how its bad that a large number of people are building nations that are stable, well organised and well funded that provide many socialist advantages they do not have access to.

Hello kind sir. My name is John M'gambo and I am from Nigeria. Please give me citizenship to your fair country so that I might dine at the table of your wise and enlightened socialist system. My 29 children desperately require your assistance in this matter.

Kind Regards
-'Prince' John M'gambo - Investment Banker and Finance Minister - Bank of Nigeria

Please feel free to drop our recruitment officials a mail. We welcome all royal princes and for a small administration fee you can join our glorious socialist dictatorship.

And wtf, a year to use a tengu proplery, someone can't use EVEMON lol.

Local chat, stations and stargates.

Just out of curiosity, whats that new source of lowsec income? Got back from hiatus recently and most of my initial fundraising for a pvp binge has been in null. It seemed to me the lowsec exploration market has crashed, and there were complaints on fw income.

I just use the Dusette girls holes for 1st class transport ;-)

How many children with different fathers were they pregnant with again?

And wtf, someone can't differentiate between a minimal skillset for a hull and mastering the skillset for that hull lol.

I asked a very small gang fc years ago (who is one of the best I've ever fleeted with) why they don't use an ewar boat in place of logi if they're fighting outnumbered. He replied that basically they have to look attractive enough to get a fight, to the point of dumbing down their doctrines and limiting numbers, and using Ewar is a massive no-no. Soon as you field one, the other side go in a huff, refuse to fight and sit in station sobbing about blobbing and ewar for weeks. Same with OP settups. Kind of sad that people are so terrified of good settups, but the wierd honour code is there in null in a way too (ie, don't primary the fc etc).

I've been playing 7 years on my oldest characters (I have 4 accounts now), I don't have 'mastery' of any ship and I'm doing just fine.

Are you telling me that you sit around and do nothing till you have 'mastery' of something? If so, that's crazy.

I am, however, continually surprised by all the excuse making and chest thumping people do. We get it, you high sec, low sec and wormhole guys think you're better than 'gewns' and co because you press F1 AND F2 when you pvp in a video game lol.

When a buddy asked me why I didn't live in a wormhole like he did, I said "wormholes are great because they are tough, not really my style though" and was done with. I didn't make some silly excuse about how it takes more than 12 months to fly a tengu.....

I'm not even sure at this point but if more are demanded then challenge accepted!

How many children with different fathers were they pregnant with again?

Like I'd ever touch that ******* Jester...

He's so gross.

In fact my girls and I never mix business with pleasure, and we're all quite single with quite empty pixellated wombs thank you very much.

Thank you for the compliment - I'm glad you consider our bodies to have first class components. But if you're talking about my lamenting in the Rolled Out closing-down thread about now never knowing who the father is ... I was joking.

In fact my girls and I never mix business with pleasure, and we're all quite single with quite empty pixellated wombs thank you very much.

Like I'd ever touch that ******* Jester...

He's so gross.

That's what all the sexy space ladies say... until they exchange antimatter with someone special.

You sure Jester didnt roll into you while you were sleeping

Ain't nobody got time for babies.

Trying to work out more wormhole based innuendo jokes here and failing miserably, its almost as if my wormhole has gone EOL.

Except the space-mom of the Dusette fleet, apparently.

Isn't she worried you haven't settled down yourself yet?

'Erica, you ain't never gonna find a good man if you keep blapping them!'

So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.