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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6945
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:02:00 -
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African Angel wrote:Flying around in a blob and pressing f1 against people I outnumber 5 to 1 isn't interesting to me. Taking part in the political machinations of some autistic super nerd sat in his mother's basement isn't interesting to me. Falling asleep shooting at structures isn't interesting to me. Being forced to go on mandatory ops to do the above isn't interesting to me. Being a faceless drone in a giant corporation isn't interesting to me.
I could go on and on. I think that endgame 0.0 is basically just the most boring, uninteresting and irrelevant part of the game. Some of the drama it produced was fun to read back in the molle days but it's been a long time since even that was entertaining.
Boy does this bring back memories.
I started playing in 2007, introduced to the game by a friend in another (non-mmo) game. Started like most people do, runnning missions. My whole 1st year I ran missions in high sec, even made it into a Navy Raven. Joined a mission running corp and had fun, not from the missions, but from being on comms. On their advice I was waiting to have enough isk and skills to 'go to null or low'. I listened to the horro stories about 'CTAs" and being kicked for inactivity and about becoming some nerd's drone.
I joined the Gallente Militia on day on of Faction Warfare. For the next 3 months I flew and fought and died in low sec. Made a lot of friends. One friend asked me and a few buddies to join his corp for for a day to get some Cap kills in null sec. Ended up in that corp for 3 years lol.
That corp and a couple others formed a New Alliance from nothing and we took a pocket in Syndicate for our home, eventually forming a coalition and attacking Cloud Ring. It was up to that point the most fun of my video gaming life.
And the thought of it makes me angry now.
Not because of what happened, but because like a fool I spent a year listening to carebear idiots about life outside of high sec. I missed out on a YEAR of ass kicking fun because i was too trusting. There were guys in Faction Warfare and in my Null Alliance who were only weeks old and flying frigates or badly fit cruisers having fun in their 1st year, while in mine I was flying a boring ass Raven saving a stupid ass Damsel because I choose to listen to people who put all their energy into make excuses rather than making things fun...
So when I saw the above quoted post, it took me right back to 2007-8, because something never, ever change...... |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1068
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:03:00 -
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Inir Ishtori wrote:Most has been already said, so i don't want to repeat it again.
The thing that i personally miss is some kind of a base of operation, like a super stealthy hideout where you can store and refit a couple of ships(cov ops frig + blockade runner + 1 or 2 cruisers), modules, loot etc, something that makes you independent of npc stations and does not summon a fleet to poop on you like a moon tower would.
What exactly is wrong with a station ? As I said in my last post, asides from deep angel and drone space, there are NPC stations all over the place, that let you both work npc null, and surrounding sov null.
If you approach the station with a covops cloak ship you can create an accurate undock insta before you dock - better than rolling out of the dock if you use the tactical display to position yourself, and plenty of them have little traffic.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2017
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:08:00 -
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Only person you can be really angry with is you, dear Jenn. And I'm not sure when concept of suicide ganking emerged but you could be that first dude who exploded 200+ hulk at cost of 1mil cat. Think about it. Where you are doesn't matter, what you do does. And whether it is fun for you or not matters the most. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
1310
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:09:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Bael Malefic wrote: Your "take a tengu to null" is neither sustainable nor scalable and is not a realistic option for most players. You have failed to disprove, or even challenge, that simple statement. "Mastery" in this context means being able to operate that ship competently and not just be fodder for the first ganker, roamer or camper you come across. Like I said, I see a lot of them get popped where I fly.
Watching local, using dscan, and deploying a mobile depot with 4 warp stabs in cargo is unrealistic. It amused me too. Stuff in my system has escalated 30+ times, and all 30+ times have gone into geminate which is by and large hostile to me, and once the mobile depot got added, I didn't have to run them covops/nullfier, and it was much quicker and as a result imo safer. I also don't know why a non-full skill tengu pilot would struggle. I have a corelum c-type rep on a proteus, and otherwise T2 fit, with the drone subs for combat, and it is a perfectly acceptable plexer, even though CCP have murdered it nerfing the Ishtar/domi. An unfinished tengu pilot is still going to have the same tank and dps as me, they are simply a stronger boat for the PVE task. In all honesty every part of the null map except for the deep north east, and the deep south east has excellent access from NPC null if you wanted to longer term the stay from a dock and arrange to haul yourself a larger pile of ammo than you can move to a can, and there is an obvious safe method of getting a t3 to and from such a location.
FYI Anyone using venal can resupply ammo from H-P, planet II is a natural insta undock from the market hub there IIRC.
See, you could print all this on the front of a newspaper, but people still wouldn't bother.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6945
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:11:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Only person you can be really angry with is you, dear Jenn.
No doubt, I've learned to not listen to stupid people as a result though.
[quote[ And I'm not sure when concept of suicide ganking emerged [/quote]
2003 in game, 1794 out of game......
[/quote[ but you could be that first dude who exploded 200+ hulk at cost of 1mil cat. Think about it. Where you are doesn't matter, what you do does. And whether it is fun for you or not matters the most.[/quote]
Ok, next time post in English.
And you missed the point. No one said null is for everyone, but some people are so busy making excuses about how they can't do anything in a video game that they end up doing nothing....in a video game. This thread of full of that. Well, it's full of something lol.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2017
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:13:00 -
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What's wrong with my English? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
44
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:14:00 -
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Nothing, because I don't want to go there, as I have no interest in going there.
Most people play in highsec anyway, one way or another, including lots of nullseccers.
Reaching out to people is pointless there, where barely any actually live anyway. - If you feel like you're putting much more into something than others, - - it's probably because it's true and you do... and they don't care. - |

Master Sunfang
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:46:00 -
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Waiting for the renters to wise up, revolt en mass and burn it all to ash.
Perhaps then Null sec will become fertile enough to plant some seeds...
Do you want to buy some seeds? Truth is not determined by majority vote |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2020
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:48:00 -
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Yes, preferably already rolled and lit. I'm the consumer goddamnit! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
41795
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Posted - 2014.06.30 13:52:00 -
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Master Sunfang wrote:Waiting for the renters to wise up, revolt en mass and burn it all to ash.
have we really become so lazy and apathetic that we are now asking the renters to gank themselves? 
I'm just going to walk the Earth. You know, like Caine in Kung Fu: walk from place to place, meet people, get into adventures and die of autoerotic asphyxation in a sleazy Thai hotel room. |

Rectile
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:06:00 -
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been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5917
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:08:00 -
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Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub
Good. One less sebiestard to choke the clone tubes with
If you havent worked out how to get past a gate camp after a month, then the whole concept of cloaks and stabs is entirely lost on you. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
829
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:09:00 -
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Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Bye!
Or try travelling through wormholes. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6945
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:13:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Bye! Or try travelling through wormholes.
There goes Gully again, offering advice to people who don't want advice but rather who wants someone to 'fix it' for them lest they deny CCP their 15 dollars. 
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
541
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:14:00 -
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I get bored rather quickly in null. Granted I've never fully moved out there. Been out a few times to rat up sec status, and on a few roams. When it comes to pvp it seems most people just dock, safe, or pos up. Or there is the chance of zomgblob. As for pve ratting blows, anoms sound better but that is mostly because you supposedly make more isk. You can trust me, I have a monocole |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
831
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:18:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Bye! Or try travelling through wormholes. There goes Gully again, offering advice to people who don't want advice but rather who wants someone to 'fix it' for them lest they deny CCP their 15 dollars.  LOL I'm so nice, I can't help it.
But 'Bye!' was my first answer... |

Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:35:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: And you missed the point. No one said null is for everyone, but some people are so busy making excuses about how they can't do anything in a video game that they end up doing nothing....in a video game. This thread of full of that. Well, it's full of something lol.
Yeah, thats it. I have nothing against folks who have tried something, and genuinely don't like it - we are all very different people after all, and we can't all like the same thing. Likewise, I have nothing against people who have found whatever they find fun, and are content enough doing it, that they don't need to look elsewhere.
As an example, I tried Highsec wars, and loathed station games so thoroughlly I was determined I had to get out, and fast, but some people love that ****, and fair enough to them. And on the other hand, I've never tried wormholing, not for any specific reason (although I hate probing, so that might be keeping me away), but just because I'm having fun where I am. Maybe someday, when someone finally gives our sandcastle its much-deserving torching, I'll give wormholes a whirl, but I'm in no rush, and I certainly wont be badmouthing it without knowing what its like.
Its the people who have never tried it, and are content to listen to the horror stories of other people who have never tried it, but heard from their brothers best friends housemate that it was horrible, that I have issue with. There are plenty of reasons to be nervous of trying something, but many of them are horrible distortions of the truth, and there are some guys genuinely here trying to dispel some misconceptions, and maybe get some of those who would enjoy it to just give it a shot.
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Inir Ishtori
Perkone Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:35:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Inir Ishtori wrote:Most has been already said, so i don't want to repeat it again.
The thing that i personally miss is some kind of a base of operation, like a super stealthy hideout where you can store and refit a couple of ships(cov ops frig + blockade runner + 1 or 2 cruisers), modules, loot etc, something that makes you independent of npc stations and does not summon a fleet to poop on you like a moon tower would. What exactly is wrong with a station ? As I said in my last post, asides from deep angel and drone space, there are NPC stations all over the place, that let you both work npc null, and surrounding sov null. If you approach the station with a covops cloak ship you can create an accurate undock insta before you dock - better than rolling out of the dock if you use the tactical display to position yourself, and plenty of them have little traffic.
NPC stations are in the NPC space - i would like, on the other hand, some more flexibility where to go. Maybe i do want to go into deep angel or drone space, or even somewhere deep into someone's underused sovereign space while the owners are elsewhere for a week or two. |

Rectile
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:14:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Good. One less sebiestard to choke the clone tubes with If you havent worked out how to get past a gate camp after a month, then the whole concept of cloaks and stabs is entirely lost on you.
But i dont want to put cloaks and stabs on my ships when im roaming and trying to find fights you fukin tard, and if you are going to speak to new players like this then i dont want to be part of this community
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Rectile
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:16:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Bye! Or try travelling through wormholes.
So i should gimp my fit to put a prob launcher ihavnt got the skills to fit? thanks for the redundant advice |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
831
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:20:00 -
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Rectile wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Bye! Or try travelling through wormholes. So i should gimp my fit to put a prob launcher ihavnt got the skills to fit? thanks for the redundant advice No, actually you're right, you'll be much better off unsubbing. The rest of us will be better off when you unsub, too.
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Rectile
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:21:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Bye! Or try travelling through wormholes. There goes Gully again, offering advice to people who don't want advice but rather who wants someone to 'fix it' for them lest they deny CCP their 15 dollars. 
Never ask anyone to fix anything, strange.
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Rectile
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:22:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Rectile wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Bye! Or try travelling through wormholes. So i should gimp my fit to put a prob launcher ihavnt got the skills to fit? thanks for the redundant advice No, actually you're right, you'll be much better off unsubbing. The rest of us will be better off when you unsub, too.
Yes i believe i will actually also I didn't unsub to appease you or anyone else. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6946
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:29:00 -
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Rectile wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Good. One less sebiestard to choke the clone tubes with If you havent worked out how to get past a gate camp after a month, then the whole concept of cloaks and stabs is entirely lost on you. But i dont want to put cloaks and stabs on my ships when im roaming and trying to find fights you fukin tard, and if you are going to speak to new players like this then i dont want to be part of this community
Hey all you "EVE needs new players NOW" types who been on these forums, congrats, here is what you've been asking for all these years! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6199
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:55:00 -
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Our new players aren't this bad. And we're in the CFC ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
192
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Posted - 2014.06.30 16:39:00 -
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> Oh look! This ripe land of exploration, danger, and money. Come explore! > Get's popped by three gatecamps in a row > Escapes the gatecamp with a T2 frig. > Popped at first relic site by pirates.
Who really thinks many people make it to the next phase of learning about wormholes/intel channels/corps without rage quitting first?
There's a very good reason why we have such low player retention rate. And it's the same reason why the people who stay love it so much. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5921
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Posted - 2014.06.30 16:44:00 -
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Rectile wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rectile wrote:been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub Good. One less sebiestard to choke the clone tubes with If you havent worked out how to get past a gate camp after a month, then the whole concept of cloaks and stabs is entirely lost on you. But i dont want to put cloaks and stabs on my ships when im roaming and trying to find fights you fukin tard, and if you are going to speak to new players like this then i dont want to be part of this community
Good get out
Its called a STATION or a MOBILE DEPOT you brain-in-backwards subhuman "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
45
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Posted - 2014.06.30 16:48:00 -
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This guy is such an obvious troll ... ... yet people bite.
I shake my head, cross my legs and grab for an EVE 120...
... lighting it up ... ... closing my eyes ... ... and inhaling deeply........... - If you feel like you're putting much more into something than others, - - it's probably because it's true and you do... and they don't care. - |

Chewytowel Haklar
Minmatar Brotherhood
9
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Posted - 2014.06.30 16:52:00 -
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I have 2 million skill points, am only over a month old now, and frankly with such a lack of SP and Isk I tend to think I wouldn't last at all in even a fight against an asterbelt rat. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6950
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Posted - 2014.06.30 16:53:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:> Oh look! This ripe land of exploration, danger, and money. Come explore! > Get's popped by three gatecamps in a row > Escapes the gatecamp with a T2 frig. > Popped at first relic site by pirates.
Who really thinks many people make it to the next phase of learning about wormholes/intel channels/corps without rage quitting first?
There's a very good reason why we have such low player retention rate. And it's the same reason why the people who stay love it so much.
You answered your own questions with the last sentence.
If people can't stand dying, getting podded, having to evade killers, they should be play EVE in the 1st place. A real EVE-minded player would look at those deaths not as bad things or even setbacks, but rather challenges to be faced and destroyed. Most gamers are the opposite of that,
The gaming industry is set up to make games that let people be the hero in-game that they can't be in real life. EVE's lore kind of suggests that, but EVE's game play tells players "you are nothing more than what you make yourself here @Sandbox.HTFU.com'.
That's why I like EVE and tend to despise "normal" games, the day I need a video game to make me feel good about my self is the day i talk a long walk off a short plank lol. |
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