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Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1928	Posted - 2014.06.27 06:44:00 - [61] - Quote Varathius wrote: I guess some people just never learn that there are jump clones in the game. Didn't you blue all of them too? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Dave Stark 6442	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:08:00 - [62] - Quote Saraki Ishikela wrote: ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc. the fact that there's 0 reason to do so.
Serene Repose 1412	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:17:00 - [63] - Quote I don't really feel obliged in anyway to play in null sec. I also don't acknowledge when others start doing my thinking for me, and I especially bristle when I'm told how things are supposed to be. I don't know how I got this way. I probably read too much Orwell. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Hypercake Mix Magical Rainbow Bakery 144	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:17:00 - [64] - Quote Time.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5853	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:18:00 - [65] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I especially bristle when I'm told how things are supposed to be. I don't know how I got this way. I probably read too much Orwell. I got it from reading Steinbeck. It bred a healthy hatred of Steinbeck, and an almost psychopathic hatred of Orwell Fascist dupe that he was "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 458	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:24:00 - [66] - Quote Since I'm fairly chilled this morning, I'll try answering some of the more common reasons. Nolak Ataru wrote: Everyone and their mother gatecamping the highsec to low/null gates. If there was a way to bridge me from highsec into the next lowsec system in a random location in the system, I'd do it without hesitating. To be fair, thats something you only have to breach once, then with ships located in your base area and jump clones, you never need to cross the camps again. Even that first time isn't so hard, we actually recommend new members (err, the real recruits, not the ermm, special cases ) to set their clone to our stations and pod themselves out there. Arec Bardwin wrote: I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations. This is a bit unfair. Sure, some FC's are arses, theres no denying it, but that isn't an exclusively nullseproblem. But if you don't like flying with someone, don't. There are several CFC FC's I wont fly under, but there are many, many more to choose from. And if your problem is the guys in charge of the alliance (again, not exclusively a nullsec problem), just awox your way to freedom and sign up with the opposition! Brea Lafail wrote: It's this for me. I'm pretty sure I actually get more isk/hr doing lvl4s than 0.0 anoms due to constant interruptions, and with less risk. Funny, when we say that, we get called liars To Be Continued
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 458	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:24:00 - [67] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: The slide show that is large fleet combat True, but if that isn't your cup of tea, there are alternatives. Our organisation has social groups for Black ops pilots, covert hotdroppers, and small gang fighters (some guys practically live in Syndicate). Even when the big set-pieces are going on, there is frequently reinforcement harrassment and other ways to get involved for those who dont want to be in 10% TiDi. Nevyn Auscent wrote: CTA's because I don't have a good time zone or reliable play time. Also the current state of Sov/Blue Doughnut is unappealing. But mainly I just don't have the time to put in that null alliances demand. As i said above, big fleet-fights isn't the only way to play out in sov nullsec, and some options are more considerate of time restraints than others. See above for time. Also, if you don't like the way nullsec currently is, try to help change it! There are many organisations currently waiting to make their play and step back in to null, and take a piece out of whichever half of the current space kicked them out. Give them some love, they are in need of it. But if thats too underdog for you, there are many nullsec "predator" alliances whose lifestyle is making the big guys lives difficult; we have many preying on us - Black legion, MoA, Triumvirate, the Fountain Core guys, Pasta, to name but a few, and I'm sure N3PL have their share of predators too. Saraki Ishikela wrote: Sounds like i've already made the right choice to live in low sec haha In defence to most of the guys who have posted, a lot clearly have first-hand knowledge, and it didn't jive with them. Thats cool, we can't all like the same things. But some are just regurgitating the misconceptions of others. Honestly, you'll never know unless you give it a whirl. If you don't want to try, thats fine, particularly if you are happy where you are. But if you are tempted, what do you have to lose by giving it a try?
Arkady Romanov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 220	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:47:00 - [68] - Quote Stop trying to recruit people who don't want to come to null in the first place. We've got enough malcontented pubbies as it is.
Infrequent Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck 21	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:50:00 - [69] - Quote I've found from experience that the majority of issues people are pointing out in this thread are down to their lack of initiative, lazyness, bad decision making and/or ignorance. However, to answer the OP, I was once in null but now I'm dabbling in the life of a merc.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 1329	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:06:00 - [70] - Quote Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5041	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:13:00 - [71] - Quote Time is what keeps people out. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 458	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:17:00 - [72] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec. See, problems like this are easily fixed - there are plenty of organisations you can join if you want to shoot me! Hell, as a WIdot pubbie, you can join our side and make disparaging comments my way freely all day long, and fit right in.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5856	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:21:00 - [73] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec. Quick question Do you like the artwork of Timothy Bradstreet? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
Grunanca Doughboys Overload Everything 264	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:23:00 - [74] - Quote Saraki Ishikela wrote: So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc. I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing. To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play. For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc. I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern? ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc. Short answer: Low sec is way more fun and you dont have to worry about your pod as long as you are smart about it.
Ryder 'ook Die..Brut 68	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:26:00 - [75] - Quote Living at an interface between high, low and null, having access to all three, I don't see a reason for it. Best of all worlds... Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
Ka'Narlist Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 169	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:35:00 - [76] - Quote Quote: So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec nothing
Marcus Gord Stormcrows 58130	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:37:00 - [77] - Quote for me, it's probably that i prefer being in a small group and knowing everyone in it. see my response in the 'what must a corp have' thread. i need a feel of 'home' that i can't see myself finding in null. also, i'm in the uk, which seems to be a crappy timezone for large group work. i've seen it in other games too. it's like british people don't like working together in big groups. every large group i've been in, in every game, was run by Americans, and mostly made up of Americans, which is a terrible timezone for me. 3am fleets on a work night? not happening. i tried npc null once (syndicate, i know, i know) but i'm thinking it didn't work for me due to the alliance being on a different timezone for fleets, and the people who did play during my timezone were russian. i'm happy where i am now though You can't take the sky from me ".....Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well....."
Jack Hayson GANOR Deep Space Explorers GANOR INC. 5	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:41:00 - [78] - Quote Cynos and TiDi fights. Oh, and because w-space is way cooler.
l0rd carlos Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire 959	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:44:00 - [79] - Quote My Corp is not in null sec. I want to live where my friends are. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Felicity Love Ka'ra Shabuir Inc. 1968	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:57:00 - [80] - Quote Varathius wrote: I guess some people just never learn that there are jump clones in the game. ... ahhhhhhh, it's so sweet you think we give a rats ass. "Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe, to staff, how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
Bael Malefic Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:14:00 - [81] - Quote Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Blue doughnut is what's stopping me. Pretty sure this is what is stopping most. Up front tl/dr: grr doughnuts and eve is dying. Most of sov null is empty, most of the time, thanks to CCP pandering to the big alliance's preferences with the eternally broken sov mechanics. Change that, make it impossible to be an "absentee landlord" over hundreds of systems at a time. Make all sov structures destroyable with no reinforcement timers. Eliminate jump bridges. Limit titan bridging volume and require a long re-cycle time before next bridge. Make sov costs increase exponentially a) the farther you get from home system, b) the more systems you already own and c) the less player activity is happening in system. You want to "own" a system? You have to be in it and using it. That would force the big doughnuts to actively police and defend their "empire" thus would shrink them, radically, and open up all sorts of gameplay for smaller, more agile groups. A lot of folks (especially newer players and smaller corps) might make a genuine try at null if they knew it wasn't a guaranteed curb-stomp. Scatter more pockets of low and NPC null throughout the regions. Yeah, I know. No more huge TIDI slideshow battles for nerd-friendly press to report. But those have pretty much stopped, last one I can recall was months and months ago. But a healthier game and an improved retention rate for new subscriptions maybe? Grow subscription base = grow revenue = more resources for game development = yay!
Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:15:00 - [82] - Quote have zero intention to ever set foot in NULL again. Tried it, and had our POS nuked by a blob at 3,30am. tried to move stuff out, and were camped until the reinforced expired. the blob came, finished off all our worldy goods, and was left with a pod. which I cba to try to get back into high, so ended up podding myself, and unsubbing for approx a year. Came back, and now have the best fun after plexing for a marauder, and running level 4s with friends on a by-daily basis when we want to. NULL just feels like a lab experiment to test the limits of you tolerance 24/7. It's just not fun, you cant make it home, you cant have your own little corner of space without someone trampling your herb garden at 3am whilst you sleep. It's just pointless. Wormhole space is more like it. Wormholers tend to be a different breed of player, you can hunker down a bit better, and deliberately pick an undesirable system and keep your head down. It's something i'll be happy to look into in the near future, but i'll try anything once, and if burned, strike it off the list. I mentioned it before, but it's the whole forced pvp thing in a glass jar I can't get on with.. wing clipped insects trapped in a glass jar with no way to escape.. sometimes we want to 'get out there' and not fight, yet eve is based on this entire premise. I absolutely agree it's probably "not the game for me", but it's what I have right now, and other options are looming on the horizon that would probably suite my play style much much nicer. TLDR; forced PvP is too much, too stressful 24/7. Sometimes want a mountain retreat, in the wilds and kick back and relax.
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 1183	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:21:00 - [83] - Quote Having someone screaming at everyone at the top of his pitchy, nasally voice on comms during CTAs is quite unappealing. Tried the large bloc 0.0 alliances a few years back, was turned off by the politics, the threats to members by the "leaders", and well, the blobbing. I play the game for fun and relaxation, not to be told by some asswipe what to do 24/7. If I wanted that, I'd get married.
Bael Malefic Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:22:00 - [84] - Quote I Love Boobies wrote: I play the game for fun and relaxation, not to be told by some asswipe what to do 24/7. If I wanted that, I'd get married. So true!
Grobalobobob Bob Hedion University Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:23:00 - [85] - Quote I Love Boobies wrote: I play the game for fun and relaxation, not to be told by some asswipe what to do 24/7. If I wanted that, I'd get married. I LOL'd so hard! +1
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 1329	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:27:00 - [86] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Do you like the artwork of Timothy Bradstreet? I had to look him up as I did not know the artist by name, but I recognize his work on White Wolf material from the past. While comics are not my favourite art style, I do like his high-contrast style. Why do you ask?
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5857	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:29:00 - [87] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Do you like the artwork of Timothy Bradstreet? I had to look him up as I did not know the artist by name, but I recognize his work on White Wolf material from the past. While comics are not my favourite art style, I do like his high-contrast style. Why do you ask? Your avatar looks very much like one of his works It has that "inked over a photograph" look "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
Kayagainen Iwalula Etsala Trading Company 71	Posted - 2014.06.27 09:44:00 - [88] - Quote I live in lowsec because it provides everything I require to get maximum enjoyment out of the game. I don't care to be part of the null-sec sov warfare scene myself or to be on call for a large alliance, even though I marvel at how intricate and impressive the whole thing can be sometimes. NPC null isn't for me either because I dislike bubbles. Hi sec is rather dull and doesn't provide much risk, therefore not providing much fun. Low provides me with enough ISK to live comfortably and casually yet has the risk that makes living there more exciting, and the sec hits through PVP aren't really much of a big deal. Plus, there's FW which is great fun in itself. edit: I do occasionally go to empty-usually-renter-space nullsec systems via WH hopping, but as far as living there, I'd rather be in low which provides me with the playstyle I like.
Tarpedo Incursionista 1356	Posted - 2014.06.27 10:10:00 - [89] - Quote Lack of interest to EVE PvP. If only there were avatar exploration and combat...
Seven Koskanaiken the shadow plague The Bastion 1305	Posted - 2014.06.27 10:26:00 - [90] - Quote Arec Bardwin wrote: I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations. What people think of 0.0 How 0.0 really is

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