- Fewer cans at the data/relic sites, the current number is more of the hacking game than I want to sit through.

The difference being that DED site upgrades "work" in a way that is at least beneficial and welcome to the owners of the space, whereas the wormhole generators are just a means to invite more bored wormhole pilots to come in and roam your space and kill your ratters.

Why not? Give something to get something. Most upsides in eve have downsides to balance them. Mayhaps you are too accustomed to having it both ways.

Mostly, when I warp to a wh anom (C5) - I'm all in. Webbed, scrammed, neuted. I have to survive the whole thing and hold the field to loot and salvage. Comparatively the null bear warps in and out as he chooses, has local and gets bounties as he goes.

I've spent my whole eve life hearing how greater risks reap greater rewards and that's the benefit of living in null. Let's be honest - null is pretty much easy mode. Power blocks, blues, local, constellation wide intel channels. It would be nice to see a little risk for your isk.

Anytime I bring up anom rats scramming a ratter null folks are like.... OMG.... that's just dumb, and then a kitchen sink full of reasons that should never happen. You guys crack me up.

This thread is for little things to make wh life better. Null systems w/ the wh upgrade should get sleepers in system scramming them. THAT would make wh life better.

I'll take your dismissal as a sign of defeat. You have no valid argument. Perhaps you could call me a name or link some spreadsheet showing where eve subscriptions would plummet if null rats scrammed. I've seen all the 'arguments'

It would hurt your tax income, defeat most botting programs and allow WH folks to drop in and do a happy dance all over your bottom line (cuz you can't defend you systems????)

I get it. Believe me - I get it.


I still want what I want. This isn't a debate. I've been dismissed by better.

Canada has an airforce. See my point???

Canada has an airforce. See my point???

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I'll recap and let this go.

I want sleepers to get into systems w/ a wh upgrade. Some null sec residents want to argue about it.

The difference being that DED site upgrades "work" in a way that is at least beneficial and welcome to the owners of the space, whereas the wormhole generators are just a means to invite more bored wormhole pilots to come in and roam your space and kill your ratters.

I'm not going to let it go. You sort of missed my point in the first place, which is that the so-called upgrade isn't. Right now it essentially reads "please voluntarily install this to get access to a area of space you don't care about and in exchange more people who want to shoot you can get to your space more easily." Needless to say there is a reason why no renter has ever asked me to install one of these upgrades, ever. You're then proposing to add the line "and oh yeah, because some wormholer believes you think this is an actual benefit, this upgrade also spawns NPC interceptors all over the place, because he's too lazy to tackle people himself."

If you want the upgrade to be changed so as to be an improvement to wspace life, give nullsec system owners a reason to actually want to install it. For example, if installing one meant that (in addition to the extra wormholes themselves) my existing anomalies also occasionally spawned small sleeper patrols, other small groups appeared on gates, in belts, etc. and larger groups appeared in their own sites, all of which could escalate based on rules similar to those in existing wspace sites, that would be attractive. That would be something I could look at and go, ok, travel and regular solo pve is a risk if I install this because of the small patrols, but on the other hand those groups and the larger ones mean a few levels of group pve content, so this is worth installing in some systems.

Alternatively, it's a way for your small gangs to come into W-Space and potentially get fights. Sadly almost every null gang I've encountered gets to a wormhole and stops like they're missing a magic key. :(

I'm not going to let it go. You sort of missed my point in the first place, which is that the so-called upgrade isn't. Right now it essentially reads "please voluntarily install this to get access to a area of space you don't care about and in exchange more people who want to shoot you can get to your space more easily." Needless to say there is a reason why no renter has ever asked me to install one of these upgrades, ever. You're then proposing to add the line "and oh yeah, because some wormholer believes you think this is an actual benefit, this upgrade also spawns NPC interceptors all over the place, because he's too lazy to tackle people himself."

If you want the upgrade to be changed so as to be an improvement to wspace life, give nullsec system owners a reason to actually want to install it. For example, if installing one meant that (in addition to the extra wormholes themselves) my existing anomalies also occasionally spawned small sleeper patrols, other small groups appeared on gates, in belts, etc. and larger groups appeared in their own sites, all of which could escalate based on rules similar to those in existing wspace sites, that would be attractive. That would be something I could look at and go, ok, travel and regular solo pve is a risk if I install this because of the small patrols, but on the other hand those groups and the larger ones mean a few levels of group pve content, so this is worth installing in some systems.

On another note, can we get the ability to split the probe scanner and d-scan from the same nested window?

Roaming sleepers - sleepers should travel through wormhole space, not just wait in sites to be killed. The more sites you run, the more roaming sleepers you awaken.

5. Hide the system name of the wormhole. People already use tools to determine how many moons and planets there are, or who lives there by looking at J sig. Make it so it is a bit harder for players to understand where they are. I know players would make sure eventually to come up with tools which tell which system it is but for a while it would be hilarious chaos.

11. Visual representation of polarization timer. It can be a bit tricky as there can be multiple polarization timers. The most simple solution to show the longest one.

22. Give sleepers ability to randomly drop sleeper Faction/Dead-space loot.

23. Give security status increase for killing sleepers. Drones have it now so sleepers should.

It attually does work it just doesn't work how 99% of people think and so people assume its broken. Its not ideal though I will say that

Im fairly certain that flux generator does establish more incoming connections, but they are k162 incoming, therefore they must be opened from the other side to appear in your null. So, potential wormholes are there, but to activate you need dudes on the other side. Which, obviously, makes it useless.

Most common wormhole in C5s is a K162 from null sec, so obviously there is interest to using wormhole space, most commonly nullseccers use wormholes as routes to empire space.

However the second part I don't understand. You already have an upgrade that spawns wormholes into an easily secured system containing sleepers worth of billions, but you'd want some mini-versions to spawn inside your null sec system instead? Why not simply raid the wormhole system for the anoms?

I'm not going to let it go. You sort of missed my point in the first place, which is that the so-called upgrade isn't. Right now it essentially reads "please voluntarily install this to get access to a area of space you don't care about and in exchange more people who want to shoot you can get to your space more easily." Needless to say there is a reason why no renter has ever asked me to install one of these upgrades, ever. You're then proposing to add the line "and oh yeah, because some wormholer believes you think this is an actual benefit, this upgrade also spawns NPC interceptors all over the place, because he's too lazy to tackle people himself."

If you want the upgrade to be changed so as to be an improvement to wspace life, give nullsec system owners a reason to actually want to install it. For example, if installing one meant that (in addition to the extra wormholes themselves) my existing anomalies also occasionally spawned small sleeper patrols, other small groups appeared on gates, in belts, etc. and larger groups appeared in their own sites, all of which could escalate based on rules similar to those in existing wspace sites, that would be attractive. That would be something I could look at and go, ok, travel and regular solo pve is a risk if I install this because of the small patrols, but on the other hand those groups and the larger ones mean a few levels of group pve content, so this is worth installing in some systems.

Most important.

delayed local while jumping from wh to k-space for pvp.

I need....just.....10....seconds...... to get a warp-able hit on that ratting ishtar :)

To be honest.. It should not just be delayed, but until you reach a gate or a station, it shouldn't even detect there is someone in local, let alone the name of the pilot.

2. Ability to deploy more then 8 probes - a dedicated max skilled prober should be able to monitor more then 2 locations at once.

3. Ability to move probe clusters around independent of one another. lets say I launch 2 clusters of probes, 4 each, and monitor 2 distinct locations on the solar map - a gate and station for example - this is for PvP obviously. Then if I need to move 1 set of probes from station to another gate, I would need to drag individual probes down to new position via shift-key. it should be quick. a pre-set deploys 4 combat probes, they are grouped into cluster A. another click deploys another set, cluster B. Can move and re-size clusters independently of one another.

4. Delayed k162 spawn timer, by like 30 seconds or so.

5. Enable smartbombing on wormholes - or exclusively in red giants. it can get gay I know, but as it stands smartbomb camps should be viable in a red giant.

2. Ability to deploy more then 8 probes - a dedicated max skilled prober should be able to monitor more then 2 locations at once.

3. Ability to move probe clusters around independent of one another. lets say I launch 2 clusters of probes, 4 each, and monitor 2 distinct locations on the solar map - a gate and station for example - this is for PvP obviously. Then if I need to move 1 set of probes from station to another gate, I would need to drag individual probes down to new position via shift-key. it should be quick. a pre-set deploys 4 combat probes, they are grouped into cluster A. another click deploys another set, cluster B. Can move and re-size clusters independently of one another.

And that's fine - they have amassed an empire, so it's natural to want to wield it. All I want to do is come out of my wh and gank the crap out of them before they can run to safety.

In your opinion, do you think more renter would use the upgrade if it was changed in such a way?

Edit: corbexx, sorry for going off topic...

How about just fixing small POS then? they're a little thing, relatively speaking.


More seriously though if we're looking at small changes how about making it possible to fly Capital ships OUT of those lower class wormholes, even if it was only through connecting Low sec and Null sec wormholes.

Some PvP corps might find it worth attacking those systems to steal floating capital ships. and the indy corps in those lower classes might start producing more capitals to sell.

could be dumb, could need some tweaking, but it might remove the feeling of safety people have by building a capital in those holes. and attacking them could yield some interesting results instead of just a self destructed capital ship.