@Lady Rift Im sure people do that. however you are one of few people that enjoy maintaining 12 alts... What do you do mine? at the end of the day it makes it that much more difficult. no shared corp hangers, no shared ships, now trade windows have to be used. Info system will require api's and forums to mount a defense. Keep in mind how jump portals work too... Multiple alliances cannot have an unbroken link of jump portals and you cannot use some one else cyno tower right?. that in itself will be a pain. Now instead of renting through one alliance you will need to maintain multiple alliances. Every aspect of the game becomes more difficult for 0.0 large alliances.

@Lady Rift Im sure people do that. however you are one of few people that enjoy maintaining 12 alts... What do you do mine? at the end of the day it makes it that much more difficult. no shared corp hangers, no shared ships, now trade windows have to be used. Info system will require api's and forums to mount a defense. Keep in mind how jump portals work too... Multiple alliances cannot have an unbroken link of jump portals and you cannot use some one else cyno tower right?. that in itself will be a pain. Now instead of renting through one alliance you will need to maintain multiple alliances. Every aspect of the game becomes more difficult for 0.0 large alliances.

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.... the logistic people of null sec are crazy people and the things they do to get things to work is utterly insane so I have no doubt they will carry on.

Too many alts is certainly a part of the problem, as it allows a large control while minimizing the risk of sedition and personal interests.

What the OP is suggesting to do is to spread this action to actual players and not multiple drones of the same will.

One of the solution to the current issues is to make using alts for alliance control more difficult, and to spread large scale logistics , and especially ISK income and tax flux, to more players.

You are correct this is the intent of this post. By spreading not just the logistics but also the banner now people are more tempted to deviate and try and renegotiate or completely betray existing systems. also stretches the chain of command and it will definitely complicate logistics.

But it doesn't do that, it just means alts have to be in different places.

I understand the intent. But in practice all this is going to do is force more alts onto people who already have lots of alts doing this. The number of people as in humans doing the logistics isn't really going to change. Do you really thing a whole lot of people have access to this stuff now?

It does exactly that... Cyno gen now is harder to come by. again using another alliances equipment is not allowed. you have to depend on your alliance and alts solely. JF's dont have as easy a time jumping across space... actual cyno alts or cyno ally members are required.

This forcing more alts to the people that are doing this is the whole point... in hopes that these people finaly crack introduce new blood and that new member base may deviate and betray... at some point help will be needed. the level of difficulty will increase for a small group of people to command this.

It does exactly that... Cyno gen now is harder to come by. again using another alliances equipment is not allowed. you have to depend on your alliance and alts solely. JF's dont have as easy a time jumping across space... actual cyno alts or cyno ally members are required.

You are correct this is the intent of this post. By spreading not just the logistics but also the banner now people are more tempted to deviate and try and renegotiate or completely betray existing systems. also stretches the chain of command and it will definitely complicate logistics.

You still don't get it. This idea you have will just make the problem worse. Welcome to Goonswarm 1, Goonswarm 2, Gonswarm n... all run by alts of The Mittani. Everything will happen in off site forums, teamspeak, jabber, mumble, ventrillo...ect. The problem is the more you force players to organise to get things done, the more organised players force out the less organised entities. This has led to the current state of affairs where 2-3 coalitions have carved up all of null (CFC, PL, N2), and only a few regions that aren't worth much are farmed like some hunting preserve for "content" (Providence).

I see this all the time on F&I, someone comes up with some "briliant" idea that will utterly smash the coalitions, and the coalitions laugh and point out how they would trivially circumvent the "briliant plan" by using the tools outside Eve they already have, with the game mechanics already in Eve.

You still don't get it. This idea you have will just make the problem worse. Welcome to Goonswarm 1, Goonswarm 2, Gonswarm n... all run by alts of The Mittani. Everything will happen in off site forums, teamspeak, jabber, mumble, ventrillo...ect. The problem is the more you force players to organise to get things done, the more organised players force out the less organised entities. This has led to the current state of affairs where 2-3 coalitions have carved up all of null (CFC, PL, N2), and only a few regions that aren't worth much are farmed like some hunting preserve for "content" (Providence).

I see this all the time on F&I, someone comes up with some "briliant" idea that will utterly smash the coalitions, and the coalitions laugh and point out how they would trivially circumvent the "briliant plan" by using the tools outside Eve they already have, with the game mechanics already in Eve.

I welcome Goonswarm 1 through n Its what i would drive with this. and it will be hilarious when Goonswarm k decides to go at it alone because they think they are better then every one else. You forget that original goonswarm had leadership problems and that is just the one entity. imagine now if you had 10, 20, 30 of these... This is the perfect example look at goonswarm history now multiply the number of leaders by N what do you get? N chances of having history repeat...

Thank YOU POINT MADE....

They won't. They would lose access to everything they had in and out of game, some sort of superiority complex would not make up for that.

ESPECIALLY when you consider that, as you have been told by four people now, the leaders would all be the same people. Goonswarm 1-500 would all have the mittani as thier CEO. They would all have the same directors. There is NO multiplication of leadership. there is NO division of responsibility.

Why is that hard for you to understand? All you are doing is forcing people to make more alts and work even closer than ever before with their neighbours.

Your idea does not work.

-Alliances can have sovereignty of some limited number of systems arbitrary... (Say ten)

Arbitrary rules these are not arbitrary. Well thought....

10 = arbitrary number.



Gotcha

There should be incentives not to blob and it should be difficult (logistically) to maintain a blob.

There shouldn't be actual game mechanics preventing blobbing.

Confirming we need to free nullsec of Supper Coalitions, we have too many damn nullbears eating their evening meal together.

I am all for that 1 person that will try and run goonswarm 1-5000000 again make it so difficult its not enjoyable and maybe the person with superiority complex and the skills to own the entire galaxy will quit eve and leave the rest of the universe duke it out and have some funn... just maybe

So if this makes it harder for you and your own i am all for it...Actually i am sure the whole thread was named Free of supper coalitions it is meant to badmouth you and how eve is solely owned by the giant coalitions degrading the experience of every one else in the universe of eve.

If you try to fix the game by making it really annoying for people to play the way they want to, they'll keep doing it and complain loudly about how annoying it is to do things. The hardcore players will stay, while the rest quit the game completely.

You don't fix the game by making it really annoying to play, you fix it by fixing it.

Edit: Also, you DO know they're mocking you, right? Supper is a meal, you mean super...

Dammit I thought this was a thread about tasty evening snacks...

From what I can tell, this wouldn't do a single thing to change the dynamic of 0.0 except for seeing it being some hard arbitrary requirement that any big alliance splits into more and more 'sub alliances' to hold the additional space they want.

Solution?
Ban the use of alt characters via IP address screening. Multiboxing is no longer allowed and written as such in the EULA.