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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.06.28 08:40:00 -
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It seems to me that the EvE community is very close minded regarding where you are located in space while you are playing EvE.
Some people perceive that living in 0.0 space as the only real EvE gameplay that is valid, and that those people that dont wish to go to 0.0 space are cowards, losers.
Even piracy in 0.1 - 0.4 space is frowned apon by 0.0 inhabitants even though its probably the most unrewarding and consequential form of PvP in the game (sec hits, gate guns, less visibility and less toys).
So why dont you go live in 0.0 and stop being a coward or a loser?, heres your chance to tell it straight to the 0.0 people who constantly pester you about it.
Myself
I spend my entire day, everyday with people, driving me nuts, asking me to help them do this and that. When I come home I have to look after my kids, get them dinner and help with homework etc. When I finally get to play EvE I DONT want to spend anymore time then necessary interacting with more people.
Now the way I see 0.0 space is its both solo and group playable however the solo play is extremely risky and takes a lot of situational awareness which is very time intensive. Combat in 0.0 is usually group combat although I have done some solo indy killing. But with instas and wcs on most of the 0.0 guys its not very efficient compared to empire space killing and then of course there is the 'camped in system' dilemma.
So basically for me, its not a matter of 'Not Wanting to' or 'Being a Carebear' or 'Coward', its a matter of playing the game in a way which gives the most enjoyment and rewards. And unless someone here is willing to pay my subscription I will have to continue to avoid going to 0.0 space because its just not as fun or practical in my situation.
How about you?
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Blitter
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Posted - 2006.06.28 08:44:00 -
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0.0 (except entry points and some key systems) is safer then 0.1 -> 0.4
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.06.28 08:46:00 -
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The issue isn't with people not going to 0.0, the issue is with people staying in Empire and then complaining they're not making as much money as those who put everything on the line.
I only recently moved to 0.0 as part of Huzzah alliance with my corp - the experience is awesome and the adrenaline of doing a corridor run from Empire with a hold full of supplies is like nothing else. Or hunting out intruders in sovereign space as you scan about looking for a sign of them, ready at any moment to run into combat where you'll probably die as you try to get in close and tackle the ship down so he can't escape the battleships pouring in the hurt.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.28 08:47:00 -
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Read the googolplex other threads on the topic.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.28 08:48:00 -
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I go to 0.0 for the advanced group play. After more then three years of play, grouping is just about the only thing left to attract me to Eve, besides nostalgia.
And about people nagging for everyone to come to 0.0. I don't think i've actually seen someone asking someone else to come to 0.0 space. Personally I'd prefer if everyone just stay where they are or were they prefer being at.
What it's mostly about is that endeless and useless discussion about how possible it is to enter/settle in 0.0 space/low sec space for someone coming from high sec empire space. That, together with overall balancing of the areas against eachother, really is all that's being discussed.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.06.28 08:49:00 -
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Because if you don't want to PvP, it's boring, parochial and restrictive. Come to think of it, so is empire, but at least I don't have to travel 60 jumps with instas to get there and back whenever I want to buy something.
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Galadiin Venyaa
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:02:00 -
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I used to be a empire dweller. I lost about 8 Ferox's in 1 week trying to get into a 0.4 system. I then tried negociating with the "owners" of said system, got permissions and standings set and all. But then a couple of minutes later they changed their mind and killed me. I was ****ed-off at this and decided to take a break. I knew I'd come back sometime, but I needed to rethink my game. Went to Wow for 6 months, and had a blast!
Then came the time to return to Eve. I started with a clean slate. Brand new character. The biggest difference was the style I chose to play. Looking simply at the mechanics of Eve it's obvious that crime pays. And being a "bad guy" yields more rewards than being a "good guy". In real life murderers are caught, no matter the sec rating of the city they are in. They are then removed totally from society for periods of 5-30 years, or permanently in case of a death sentance. This is simply not practical in a game, so as a bad guy you have a lot of advantages over the good guys.
With real accountability absent it simply doesn't make sense to play as a good guy. So I made the definite choice to be on the right side this time around! Right side being that bad/pirate/pk'er side ofcourse 
And I can tell you, it's waaaay different than empire! I joined a 0.0 corp. We live in peace with most of our neighbours. I get to kill people without worry. If my sec status gets a bit too low I go kill some NPC "bad guys" and quickly get my rating back up. Then I can roam Empire for some shopping, or simply use a alt to do my shopping and hauling for me. I'm having a blast!!!
The advantages to being a bad guy in Eve simply outweigh the disadvantages 10:1. You can't go wrong. Crime does pay!
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Karnus Vergoth
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:04:00 -
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ive been playing this game for just under amonth however have move dinto 0.0 with my corp, it has all the advantages and none of the cons (save buying skills)
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/06/2006 09:09:20
0.0 is safe. 0.1 to 0.4 are not safe. Jita, 1.0 is the worst of all.
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General Andraax
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:12:00 -
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when I manage to gather enough to replace me ship when it get shot down I will go 0.0, until then I will just stay our od low sec after the latest wave of gatecampings...
Yes I have had a stroke of bad luck lately and lost a few ships, it did set me back some... But yes, 0.0 space is aluring to me, and I will go there when I can aford to lose my ship again :)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:12:00 -
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 Originally by: BurnHard
Because if you don't want to PvP, it's boring, parochial and restrictive. Come to think of it, so is empire, but at least I don't have to travel 60 jumps with instas to get there and back whenever I want to buy something.
If your alliance doesn't have a well-seeded market, blame them, not the game.
Oh and jump clones are your friend.
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Kay Han
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:13:00 -
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0.0 means:
- less peeps in Local
- less smack in Local
- No ore / loot thievery
- Sometimes you get something to shoot at for free
But it also means:
- you can¦t mine alone in your shiny new Barge
- sometimes you get killed
- sometimes you lose ships to rats
- you must have a good relation to the Alliance claiming this space, and must accept thier rules
- you must have a look on local at everytime
But overall 0.0 is safer then almost every empire system.
You can do everything in 0.0 execpt NPC trading.
mining, hunting, PvP. it¦s open for nearly all aspects of eve
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar
The issue isn't with people not going to 0.0, the issue is with people staying in Empire and then complaining they're not making as much money as those who put everything on the line.
Actualy i think you will find it's the other way around.
Remember all those threads last week....
Full of people that live in 0.0 moaning about how much people make in empire compared to themselfs... and how it should be nerfed to pennies.
Your putting the ball on the other foot 'again' saying what people are saying for the sake of arguement when they're infact not... it's the other way around in most cases.
Personaly i stay in empire because im a loser, happy
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/06/2006 10:05:02
Low sec has alot of advantages to 0.0:
- Solo piracy is risky (therefore fun) and victims are close by
- Empire wars are fun and exciting
- No bubbles to kill you during travel. You die in battles you pick yourself.
- You can go back to safe space within a few minutes to do other things
- No need to wait for other people to get ready
- People seem to pay ransoms alot
- Easy to replace ships and modules
- Less blobbing (2-3 man groups are common, not 20 man groups)
Maybe its just my personal playing style, but it really suits me. Im having a blast. And yeah, i agree that lowsec is maybe more dangerous than 0.0. Good! Danger is fun.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Originally by: James Duar
The issue isn't with people not going to 0.0, the issue is with people staying in Empire and then complaining they're not making as much money as those who put everything on the line.
Actualy i think you will find it's the other way around.
Remember all those threads last week....
Full of people that live in 0.0 moaning about how much people make in empire compared to themselfs... and how it should be nerfed to pennies.
Your putting the ball on the other foot 'again' saying what people are saying for the sake of arguement when they're infact not... it's the other way around in most cases.
Personaly i stay in empire because im a loser, happy
That is why suicide killings are profitable in empire. 
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Originally by: James Duar
The issue isn't with people not going to 0.0, the issue is with people staying in Empire and then complaining they're not making as much money as those who put everything on the line.
Actualy i think you will find it's the other way around.
Remember all those threads last week....
Full of people that live in 0.0 moaning about how much people make in empire compared to themselfs... and how it should be nerfed to pennies.
Your putting the ball on the other foot 'again' saying what people are saying for the sake of arguement when they're infact not... it's the other way around in most cases.
Personaly i stay in empire because im a loser, happy
I don't know who you are or where you came from, but seriously, **** off. You've done nothing but make assumptions about how I play, or what I post, that are and will remain, wrong.
Did I post in any of those threads? No, I thought they were silly. Have I ever pirated? No. What do I do in EVE? OH HELL, I'M A MINER!
I'm sorry was that your retarded argument going out the window?
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SevenDwarfs
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:07:00 -
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0.0 space is all fun.. full kills to anyone you see and can run a muck .. but you are also free for all and the rats hurt more and running around solo is just crazy.. but i think its funnier when people trap themselfs in a two sys area cuz they want to be pirates. that will be the only time youll ever see me tell someone to move to 0.0 otherwise i think people are smart enough to know where they belong. either in 0.0 0.1-0.4 or safe space, as long as your having fun ... 
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:18:00 -
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Small scale fighting is more fun than blob wars.
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Aetherine Chloride
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:26:00 -
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I've yet to venture into the dreaded and beloved 0.0 space for a very simple reason.
I have no idea what I'm getting myself into.
What's a good location to head to? Who do I talk to? What sorts of people do I avoid? What sorts fo NPCs do I avoid? What do I bring with me in terms of replacement gear? Do I settle in 0.0 for good or make excursions back and forth between it and Empire Space? How can I negotiate with pirates that want to violate my warm, supple flesh? How DO I negotiate with said violators of the warm, supple flesh?
And the one that totally keeps me from investigating:
When will I be "ready?"
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Fellhand
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:35:00 -
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I mostly stick to Empire for teh simple reason that I like to mine, I like to build things and I stink at pvp combat. I found travelling between Empire and 0.0 to be virtual suicide in anything bigger than a frig (and that's WITH instas) and since I wasn't a combat jock, there wasn't much for me to do in 0.0. Now, I mostly stick to Empire and I'm perfectly happy with it.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Flyyn on 28/06/2006 10:41:00
Originally by: James Duar
The issue isn't with people not going to 0.0, the issue is with people staying in Empire and then complaining they're not making as much money as those who put everything on the line.
I only recently moved to 0.0 as part of Huzzah alliance with my corp - the experience is awesome and the adrenaline of doing a corridor run from Empire with a hold full of supplies is like nothing else. Or hunting out intruders in sovereign space as you scan about looking for a sign of them, ready at any moment to run into combat where you'll probably die as you try to get in close and tackle the ship down so he can't escape the battleships pouring in the hurt.
Last week it was people in 0.0 crying about money makers in Empire. The flavor for this week is Empire complaining about money in 0.0.
I think both camps are wrong, there are ten times more PvE players in this world then PvP players. Eve-online offers some of the best PvE combat in any game, while the PvP combat sucks and is to short.
Another point to make, who says PvE players are playing a solo game? There has been more then a dozen threads about "I ooopsed and smart bombed my gang mate and concord killed me."
These "debates" will always continue...and never solve a single thing.
Edit: Oh and I forgot to mention the "I just moved out to 0.0 and am having a blast!" Line is really getting old....
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Branco
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:39:00 -
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Because it does not suits my playstyle. I go to 0.0 often to rat (I prefer it to missions, since I can login, rat for 5 minutes and logout) and everyone down there seems to be about blobs.
1) Lets blob and destroy that starbase
2) Lets blob and camp that entry point
3) There is an enemy blob out to get us, lets dock while we wait for our blob to form.
Honestly... lots more fun in 0.1-1.0
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Xtown
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:42:00 -
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There are a few reasons why I stick to 0.1 and above but the main one is that I need the flexibility it affords. I have real life things that take priority over Eve and if I have to step away from the PC to attend to them then I need to know that I can dock at a station in system without whenever I feel like it.
Lots of things about 0.0 sound good but it demands a level of commitment that I'm just not able to offer.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:42:00 -
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Oh, small scale PvP isn't really that short. But it can feel like short.
I have done some combat frapsing and I have been impressed by how short 15 minutes can feel. 
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Flyyn
Edit: Oh and I forgot to mention the "I just moved out to 0.0 and am having a blast!" Line is really getting old....
I'm sorry for telling it like it is for me, let me tell you what you want to hear:
"I just moved to 0.0 and it sucks. The rats are too hard to kill and you're in constant fear for your life!"
Happy? Of course not because that's another retarded whine. It's not a line if it's the god damn truth, unless you're calling me a liar.
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Thelmarr
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:49:00 -
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Why go lowsec to be ganked? Honestly... Once I get tired of highsec I'll go lower (and by that time I have more than enough cash to replace my losses).
"Go alliance" is one response. Weelll... Maybe I don't want to become another minerslave/gateganker for god knows how long (maybe at some point). Or simply have not seen alliance I would really want to be part of (and which incidentally would permit me in thanks to SP limits)
Yes, I have read those "inspiring" stories of someone who has slipped oh-so-easily through 1100 gatecamps in his newbship to 0.0, got so happy in there that stayed for 2 months and came back with small moon of high end minerals.
And since I am realist I know that chances of repeating that feat are far too small for me to start risking my small resources.
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Thecle Vifargent
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:04:00 -
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I dont go 0.0 because i'm in a small corp who dont "own" any of these systems.
Considering this, and considering alliance/corporation who "own" these systems think everybody is a potential ennemy/target to destroy, i see no reason to go there disturb them for the pleasure of.
If one day my corp join a 0.0 alliance or if I, myself, join one, i will have no problem to go there, but meanwhile, i consider going to 0.0 is like entering someone else's house.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:04:00 -
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/me heard Kali is going to make empire into 0.0 everywhere. 
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:11:00 -
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Because researching and manufacturing are best done in Empire where it's safe. The ISK cost does not make it worthwhile to move to 0.0 for T2 production.
Missions are a little less profitable in Empire, but safe.
Raise the cost of manufacturing and researching in empire, reduce the slots, and see people having to move to 0.0. See people wanting to use outposts.
If I was the Caldari Navy, my best agents would be on my borders where things were happening, rather than in my core systems which you would expect would be safe. Scale agents out from 1.0 to 0.1 for Empire factions. The lower security you go, the higher quality and level.
If people still want to live in Empire that's fine, but low risk should mean low reward.
Frankly 0.0 life isn't _that_ profitable compared to Empire life. And the highest profit activities are done docked in Empire.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 28/06/2006 11:16:23
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
/me heard Kali is going to make empire into 0.0 everywhere.
I seriously doubt that.
It would be a terrible mistake on ccp's part, it would be a bigger mistake than anything soe have ever done.
Anyway, i don't belive it.. since the *** forum patrol continue to call for it... it must mean your talking *&&^%$
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