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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Galk Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me heard Kali is going to make empire into 0.0 everywhere. I seriously doubt that. It would be a terrible mistake on ccp's part, it would be a bigger mistake than anything soe have ever done. Jenny means Factional Warfare, which will be consensual pvp as i understand it. So not really the same as 0.0 i believe, but it sounds kind of cool if they pull it off in a fun way. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me heard Kali is going to make empire into 0.0 everywhere. They will probably change it (for factional warfare), but I highly doubt that they will turn it all into 0.0. Unless they simply replace the current system with a system where sec status doesn't matter (for example, sovereignity could matter instead).
Galk	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:19:00 - [33] Consensual..... That pretty much voids the statement then Since most people allready don't consent... hence the number of topics in this ilk..... Whats going to change ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
Flyyn	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:22:00 - [34] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Flyyn Edit: Oh and I forgot to mention the "I just moved out to 0.0 and am having a blast!" Line is really getting old.... I'm sorry for telling it like it is for me, let me tell you what you want to hear: "I just moved to 0.0 and it sucks. The rats are too hard to kill and you're in constant fear for your life!" Happy? Of course not because that's another retarded whine. It's not a line if it's the god damn truth, unless you're calling me a liar. You know that dude, with the funny haircut? You know your alliance President? Hans Roaming? You do know he is the ONLY one allowed from your alliance to use these forums? Just thought I should warn you before that multi million isk fine hits you or your corp.... And another thing, you got a sharp tounge there fella...calm down, go out for a smoke, take another swig from the bottle. This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Galk Consensual..... That pretty much voids the statement then Since most people allready don't consent... hence the number of topics in this ilk..... Whats going to change Well, hopefully it will mean less ganking (same number of people on both sides) and will give a purpose to the fights (goals to complete). But nobody seems to know for sure what it really will be about... --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:23:00 - [36] But you guys do know that PvP is never consentual, dont you? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But you guys do know that PvP is never consentual, dont you? Yeah, and thats why its fun. Duels are dull, mkey? --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Galk	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Jim McGregor Well, hopefully it will mean less ganking (same number of people on both sides) and will give a purpose to the fights (goals to complete). But nobody seems to know for sure what it really will be about... Agreed in part.... but unless the npc factions toss the people fighting on their side ships and mods to fight with (now there's an idea) Your allways going to get ganking....it's the nature of eve... allways will be. You know.. if that were the case... i were tossed ships and mods to have fun with on behalf of the faction... I might take part.... ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But you guys do know that PvP is never consentual, dont you? PVP is always consentual. Those who don't want pvp can simply stay offline.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But you guys do know that PvP is never consentual, dont you? PVP is always consentual. Those who don't want pvp can simply stay offline. You did use the word offline. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Galk Agreed in part.... but unless the npc factions toss the people fighting on their side ships and mods to fight with (now there's an idea) Your allways going to get ganking....it's the nature of eve... allways will be. You know.. if that were the case... i were tossed ships and mods to have fun with on behalf of the faction... I might take part.... You should take part anyway. I would rather pick my own modules. Not because they are elite in any way, but because it would allow for your own tactics. Also, player pvp skill will mean more than a few extra % advantage from modules me thinks. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Flyyn	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:28:00 - [42] I think those that want to be safe in empire, and those that want to do nothing but kill, will be happy with Kali. Partly cause its factions against factions. I think...Might be wrong here...You will be given the option, what side to join if any, if your standings are high enough. And I dont think its going to be mandatory either. So if you dont want to fight in this war...so be it. But if you do...what side are you going to be on? This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:28:00 - [43] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 28/06/2006 11:28:38 Originally by: Galk Originally by: Jim McGregor Well, hopefully it will mean less ganking (same number of people on both sides) and will give a purpose to the fights (goals to complete). But nobody seems to know for sure what it really will be about... Agreed in part.... but unless the npc factions toss the people fighting on their side ships and mods to fight with (now there's an idea) Your allways going to get ganking....it's the nature of eve... allways will be. You know.. if that were the case... i were tossed ships and mods to have fun with on behalf of the faction... I might take part.... I doubt NPCs will give you free ships to die and kill in. You provide your own pod, ships, ammos and ISKs. You kill enough faction points, you can claim Caldari Navy Raven Mark II. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Flyyn I think...Might be wrong here...You will be given the option, what side to join if any, if your standings are high enough. And I dont think its going to be mandatory either. So if you dont want to fight in this war...so be it. But if you do...what side are you going to be on? Careful. CCP is running for faction segregation. Fight for Gallente? Fly past Jita and you will still get ganked by anyone. /me sees "0.0" everywhere. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
LING PO	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:32:00 - [45] To be honest i don't know yet because i never went to 0.0 but everyone is saying is far more profitable than empire will see :)
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But you guys do know that PvP is never consentual, dont you? PVP is always consentual. Those who don't want pvp can simply stay offline. You did use the word offline. That's only because staying docked isn't enough (with other ppl buying and selling on the market etc). The way I see it is this : You play a game, and by playing it you agree to the rules of the game. One of those rules is that players might attack you even though you may not like it - thus, non-consentual combat doesn't exist.

Chribba	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But you guys do know that PvP is never consentual, dont you? PVP is always consentual. Those who don't want pvp can simply stay offline. Even though the big percentage of EVE is PVP, the less percentage that does not PVP is very much needed in order for EVE to be what it is. So simply saying that anyone who doesn't want to PVP should stay offline is a bit harsh imo. And if ever it turns out that everything becomes 0.0, I at least would not be that interested in playing since PVP is the least of my interests. EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Andrue	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:33:00 - [48] I don't go to 0.0 because most of the time all I want to do is potter around and relax. I don't want the hassle of the logistics down in 0.0 I have little interest in game politics except as a bystander. I don't get excited seeing another player's ship go pop. Several decades of working for a living mean that I can obtain pleasure simply by working and seeing the fruits of my labour. I have lived and worked in 0.0 so I know that the scare stories are mostly untrue. Unfortunately I also know the truth about the logistics of operating in 0.0 and that's more effort than I currently want to put into a game. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
robacz	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Infinity Ziona So why dont you go live in 0.0 and stop being a coward or a loser?, heres your chance to tell it straight to the 0.0 people who constantly pester you about it. Becouse I am trader and industrialist. I have no single reason to go there. As Teladi says: 0.0 is bad for profitssssss! Btw, I am playing solo, maily becouse of reasons you said. I am talking to co-workers/family all day and when I have my one or two hours of gaming, I prefer to do what I want without asking anyone else. However, its more fun to play with/against real players then against computer like in X games for example. ___________ Buying/selling Implants, Cargo Expanders
Andrue	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: BurnHard Because if you don't want to PvP, it's boring, parochial and restrictive. Come to think of it, so is empire, but at least I don't have to travel 60 jumps with instas to get there and back whenever I want to buy something. If your alliance doesn't have a well-seeded market, blame them, not the game. Oh and jump clones are your friend. Firstly get off the blame game friend! There's enough of that in the world already. It doesn't matter who you blame because it doesn't change anything. If there is no market then there is no market. See next paragraph. You can try (or be tasked with) keeping a good market running but that's a lot of work in 0.0 -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Stamm If I was the Caldari Navy, my best agents would be on my borders where things were happening, rather than in my core systems which you would expect would be safe. Scale agents out from 1.0 to 0.1 for Empire factions. The lower security you go, the higher quality and level. Agreed. Tbh if I was running the game I would give serious thought to spreading the agents out and having their quality and level dependant on system security. CCP had a good idea adding hi-end mins to mid- and low- sec roids but they should go further. IMO .5 and higher should be the current level of safety but lower profitability. Oh and I'm an Empire dweller that mostly operates in .5 and higher. I am basically talking about nerfing my own income. I don't currently run a lvl 4 agent but if I wanted to I should have to go to low-sec to do it. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Thelmarr	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:45:00 - [52] Originally by: Stamm If people still want to live in Empire that's fine, but low risk should mean low reward. Lowering Empire rewards would be bad move. People who are in empire need to make enough cash to afford to start going to 0.0 If going to lowsec means loss of 20+hours of work in empire (due to lost gear) people will simply start quitting or go to lowsec even less.
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:45:00 - [53] The market in 0.0 where I live is pretty good, but it's still not the one stop shop Jita is... Only gripe I have about 0.0 is Freighter runs and having to wait for your stuff to be shipped to 0.0... Logistics is a *****... If I log on and find I have to go to Empire for a ship or module, I'll most likely log off and do something else. I just don't have the time to make the Empire runs anymore... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:45:00 - [54] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But you guys do know that PvP is never consentual, dont you? PVP is always consentual. Those who don't want pvp can simply stay offline. Even though the big percentage of EVE is PVP, the less percentage that does not PVP is very much needed in order for EVE to be what it is. So simply saying that anyone who doesn't want to PVP should stay offline is a bit harsh imo. And if ever it turns out that everything becomes 0.0, I at least would not be that interested in playing since PVP is the least of my interests. I highly doubt that it will all turn into 0.0 - at least not without anything to replace the current system (for example, faction police could take over the duties of concord). What I meant wasn't that ppl that aren't interested in fighting all the time should stay offline, but rather that if you logon you accept the risk of being attacked, since it's perfectly legal to attack ships even in high sec space as long as the ship of the attacker gets destroyed.
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Thelmarr Originally by: Stamm If people still want to live in Empire that's fine, but low risk should mean low reward. Lowering Empire rewards would be bad move. People who are in empire need to make enough cash to afford to start going to 0.0 If going to lowsec means loss of 20+hours of work in empire (due to lost gear) people will simply start quitting or go to lowsec even less. So true... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Scorpyn	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Thelmarr Originally by: Stamm If people still want to live in Empire that's fine, but low risk should mean low reward. Lowering Empire rewards would be bad move. People who are in empire need to make enough cash to afford to start going to 0.0 If going to lowsec means loss of 20+hours of work in empire (due to lost gear) people will simply start quitting or go to lowsec even less. Going to 0.0 is not expensive though...
Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2006.06.28 11:49:00 - [57] Regarding the market in 0.0 space - when I was an alliance member there was an alliance market and you were not supposed to put up general escrows or market items for non alliance members. Maybe thats why the markets in 0.0 suck so much.
Thelmarr	Posted - 2006.06.28 12:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Thelmarr Originally by: Stamm If people still want to live in Empire that's fine, but low risk should mean low reward. Lowering Empire rewards would be bad move. People who are in empire need to make enough cash to afford to start going to 0.0 If going to lowsec means loss of 20+hours of work in empire (due to lost gear) people will simply start quitting or go to lowsec even less. Going to 0.0 is not expensive though... Until one of the gatecamps catches you. If you feel lucky...
Prestis	Posted - 2006.06.28 12:14:00 - [59] Lack of targets and casual PvP in 0.0. Most systems are empty or near empty, making your presence immediately obvious. Those hub-systems with a decent population will have your name in alliance chat and a gang forming before you finish zoning in. It would take some serious changes to the way Local chat works for me to bother with 0.0 again.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.06.28 12:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: BurnHard Because if you don't want to PvP, it's boring, parochial and restrictive. Come to think of it, so is empire, but at least I don't have to travel 60 jumps with instas to get there and back whenever I want to buy something. If your alliance doesn't have a well-seeded market, blame them, not the game. Oh and jump clones are your friend. Hah. No the market isn't seeded too well. Some things you can get lots of, some things (usually the things I want) you can't get any of, or someone has gouged the price up to some ridiculous degree (I remember now, Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II at 50m!). This is mainly due to the weekly freighter/carrier runs corps do these days. Not much point in paying over the odds on the local market when you and your mates can hop up to empire. Luckily, I'll have my freighter-with-jump-drive in a few weeks time, so I'll be able to do the same ;).

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