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Holi	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:22:00 - [31] Edited by: Holi on 04/07/2006 13:25:43 /signed For the fact that "The Breacher's structure is little more than a fragile scrapheap" it sure is a bit heavy A small cap boost wouldn't go amiss either and loosing the turret-only highslot for a mid and/or low slot wouldn't hurt it's performance IMHO. No shield/armor/stucture hp boost needed it's speed and sig radius should compensate for that. But I'm happy if it only gets a mass and speed/sig tweak [ md5 checksum calculator ]
M'buku	Posted - 2006.07.04 17:55:00 - [32] Ahhh the Breacher! I really like the ship. I remember once apon a time in band camp......... Seriously once we had a corp frigate tournament, and I won with a Breacher!!! Couldn't do it these days though. /me sits outside Tux's office with his sleeping bag and a "Boost The Breacher!" banner.....
Rachag	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:00:00 - [33] breacher is a cool little ship.
Zeke Novak	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:44:00 - [34] /signed I wanna fly something other than a Rifter when I feel like rocking a frigate!
Tequila Slamma	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:11:00 - [35] /signed And on the fourth attempt to post to this f***ed up forum I'll just say this Bump for teh Team Stapler stapling, stapler stops. Cock, Hook and Look. No staples in the breach and no staples in the magazine. With a new magazine of 30 staples, at the paper in front, carry on staplin'
Phish1	Posted - 2006.07.05 09:49:00 - [36] /signed oh signed! good ideas, well presented and backed up. breacher is a great little ship, and people dont expect it to turn around and bite them. they expect the kessie to spam light missiles, but not the breacher.
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.07.06 12:14:00 - [37] Just curious as to whether a Dev has seen this and has perhaps considered looking into it. I know there's a lot going on right now, what with the Kali 1 buildup and Amarr threads and all, but hey I can hope that this nifty little ship can be tweaked into usefulness ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.
Masu'di	Posted - 2006.07.06 12:27:00 - [38] the only real use i've found for this frig, is for unusual tournament setups. mwd, light missiles, and keep at max range. struggle to fit much else though.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2006.07.06 13:35:00 - [39] I wouldn't say that the Breacher is the forgotten frigate. At least it's in the game which is more than can be said for the missing sixth Amarrian frigate. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:28:00 - [40] If a new player asks anyone what Minmatar frigate they should get the answer is always "Rifter", i'm sure many people had/have forgotton there is a second tier 3 minmatar frigate. But then whos going to recommend a missile frigate when there is no missile cruiser and the missile BS is a hyrid of turret/missile/drones... I would love a dev post on this topic, its not a major change in the grand scheme of things but from the feedback from other players its a popular one with no real arguement against it. Just to know they will look at it would be nice.

Kilarntar	Posted - 2006.07.06 14:34:00 - [41] /signed Would be nice to have a second choice for frigate use as a Minmatar. Add a low slot, increase speed. /signed
Razean	Posted - 2006.07.06 15:25:00 - [42] /signed I've played around with the Breacher myself, but quickly realized it was simply lacking as a Tier 3 Frigate. The Rifter is just far superior in every aspect. My Breacher has been collecting dust since 2 days after I bought it. Poor speed. Poor maneuverability. No tank. Lack of slots. Poor cap. What exactly about this ship makes it a Tier 3 ship? The fact that it has 4 high slots? that's nice and all, but it's completely lacking in every other aspect.
Winnomill	Posted - 2006.07.06 16:33:00 - [43] /signed Wait...there's another Minmatar frigate?!
Weirda	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Rodj Blake I wouldn't say that the Breacher is the forgotten frigate. At least it's in the game which is more than can be said for the missing sixth Amarrian frigate. perhaps you should make thread on it slaver? Weirda would be happy to if you not capable... would say Tux... but actually it would be nice to have hammer give this friggie a little Hammertime! C'mon Matari DEV - let us see the love... boobies? __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now
Merv Tring GeoTech	Posted - 2006.08.08 00:01:00 - [45] The Breacher used to be my favorite ship back in '03. Now, however, it's not a useful alternative to the Rifter. The Rifter is faster, more manouverable, and can fit a tank. Boost the Breacher! Sig removed due to no Eve-related content - Cathath ([email protected])
Akip MetaForge	Posted - 2006.08.08 12:10:00 - [46] bumb and /signed I would love to fly it more effectivily /cheers Akip -------- Akip I love Quake ammo 2006.07.27 21:11:58 combat Your 720mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes Slave Worker Facilities, wrecking for 1757.0 damage.
Leshrac Shepherd Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 12:50:00 - [47] You could also bump my bellicose thread while you are at it My Boost Bellicose Thread
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.08.10 23:07:00 - [48] Breacher <3 (yes it's a bump) ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.
Crellion Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.10 23:56:00 - [49] Edited by: Crellion on 10/08/2006 23:57:27 No, nO and -well- no. Or at least think about it for a sec: Kestrel : 260 speed 1700000 mass 30 grid. Cant fit 4 standards and anything else. Breacher: 300 speed 1400000 mass 31 grid. Can fit 3 standards and a turret much easyier. It is faster and can keep range. It can "kite" better and it can low orbit better. It can tackle better. It is harder to hit. It does more damage to average tech I armor tank where "most" ships tank. Why do you want to make it even faster? Even as it is it can kite Cruisers with ab standards and 20km and cprs with good skills. A kestrel can not do that. I am sorry to be the party ****er but is what I am saying rly unfair??? Best frig ingame (techI) is by far the rifter. You need the second best in the same race too????????????????????????
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.11 00:35:00 - [50] /signed how abotu 5 high slots 3 missiles 2 turrets, our cruiser get the most high slots & our battles crusier get the most high slots and our Tier one battle ships gets the most weapon slots. that would give it the 9 slots like the other 2. maybe a little gird to fit stuff too. It fits in with minmatar lots of guns aproach to war. oh and the other other need changes people have talked about.

Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.08.11 00:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Crellion Edited by: Crellion on 10/08/2006 23:57:27 No, nO and -well- no. Or at least think about it for a sec: Kestrel : 260 speed 1700000 mass 30 grid. Cant fit 4 standards and anything else. Breacher: 300 speed 1400000 mass 31 grid. Can fit 3 standards and a turret much easyier. It is faster and can keep range. It can "kite" better and it can low orbit better. It can tackle better. It is harder to hit. It does more damage to average tech I armor tank where "most" ships tank. Why do you want to make it even faster? Even as it is it can kite Cruisers with ab standards and 20km and cprs with good skills. A kestrel can not do that. I am sorry to be the party ***er but is what I am saying rly unfair??? Best frig ingame (techI) is by far the rifter. You need the second best in the same race too???????????????????????? Wow, took many months to get an actual arguement against this. And if you didn't guess by the size and detail I did think about it for more than a second. Fitting - blah blah and -well- blah* with AWU 5 4x T2 Standard Launchers 1x 1mn MWD 1x MAPC 2 mid slots and 1 low left. 2.6 pg and 63 CPU left. I wouldn't turn down that kind of damage output at that range while travelling 1500m/s. Fit a warp disruptor, nano, cap recharger. Want a tank? fit short range weapons like rocket launchers like everyone else has to. Breacher - Fit 3x T2 Launchers and you can't even fit a 1mn MWD either so still need a MAPC like the kestrel. We also get 1 less mid. If we want to tank? OH look, we got all of 2 lows or 2 mids, even with rocket's we can't tank it. That 1pg even with eng 5 doesn't mean it can lose the MAPC and still fit the MWD. It can tackle better - Yes that 1 mid after AB/MWD make it a great tackler... Especially with that huge ammount of cap it has. (feel the sarcasm). Ok so it can catch the target.... if it doesn't die in 2 seconds from its rubbish HP. something about rifter Rifter has: 37MW, 125tf, 200 cap, 320m/s, 35m sig and weighs 1100000. 863 total HP. 1 extra mid and 1 extra low Breacher has: 31 MW, 135 tf, 150 cap, 300m/s and 41m sig and weighs 1450000. 731 total hp. Please tell me how the Breacher can tank like a Rifter, go as quick/agile as a Rifter. The numbers I put forward do indeed move it closer to a Rifter, but it is still no where near it in terms of speed/agility or tanking. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Valea Silpha Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.08.11 00:58:00 - [52] Edited by: Valea Silpha on 11/08/2006 00:59:16 As a change of pace, why not bump the vigil up to tier 3 and the breacher down to tier 2. Give the vigil another slot somewhere, and there you go. The problem with boosting the breacher is that if you give it 4 launchers its just a new skin on a kestral, which is a shade pointless. In fact, boost it in anyway and it steps on the kestrals toes. Now that i would love to see, god knows minnies need more things that are '4tw' but i think in the greater spirit of the game, having ships that are clones are each other isn't good. Edit: Unless you make it some kinda friggie phoon. 4 high (2 turret 2 missiles) 2 meds 4 lows What do you think ? <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Dred 'Morte Minmatar Sammael's Legion	Posted - 2006.08.11 01:57:00 - [53] Bring back oversized missiles! A few tricks like no bonus affecting oversized missiles and it's not too unbalanced. Dam I miss the days when noobs could actually FIGHT in frigates. Eve was a lot more fun back then. Kestrel, Rifter and Breacher, those were THE frigates! Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.11 02:39:00 - [54] Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a new player asks anyone what Minmatar frigate they should get the answer is always "Rifter", i'm sure many people had/have forgotton there is a second tier 3 minmatar frigate. But then whos going to recommend a missile frigate when there is no missile cruiser and the missile BS is a hyrid of turret/missile/drones... I would love a dev post on this topic, its not a major change in the grand scheme of things but from the feedback from other players its a popular one with no real arguement against it. Just to know they will look at it would be nice. I'd recomend a missile frigate if it wasnt such a stinky peice of dookie. In fact, I do reccomend a breacher for nooby people looking to get into .4 hunting or lower. A thrasher or rifter takes a lot of skill to use against NPC cruisers in low sec space and live. A breacher can just AB around him at 15km and pelt him with light missiles without taking much in the way of hits. Although I wouldnt advocate its use for anything even remotely PvP oriented unless it gets a lot more cap and/or a third mid and/or a mass decrease. Pretty rediculous that a little box with an old RF antenna sticking out of it is so unmanuverable. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Maya Rkell Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.11 02:48:00 - [55] ponders another midslot for it
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.11 07:41:00 - [56] Originally by: Valea Silpha Edited by: Valea Silpha on 11/08/2006 00:59:16 As a change of pace, why not bump the vigil up to tier 3 and the breacher down to tier 2. Give the vigil another slot somewhere, and there you go. Why would anyone choose a Vigil over a Rifter nowadays? For it's bonus? The Vigil and the Rifter both had they own unique roles in in combat, before they where changed. Now the Vigil is more or less obsolete and the Rifter is just another average frigate. If you want to make the Vigil a tier3 frigate now, it will be the same ship as a Rifter, but then with a useless bonus. The breacher at least has another role and i like the idea of flying it once more when it will be made usefull again.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2006.08.15 02:36:00 - [57] yay bump
Zenemis Caldari Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2006.08.15 03:31:00 - [58] It's clear the Breacher is already an absolute solo pwnmobile, so /signed.
faxtarious Xandak	Posted - 2006.08.15 03:56:00 - [59] Originally by: Dred 'Morte Bring back oversized missiles! A few tricks like no bonus affecting oversized missiles and it's not too unbalanced. Dam I miss the days when noobs could actually FIGHT in frigates. Eve was a lot more fun back then. Kestrel, Rifter and Breacher, those were THE frigates! we actually still can fight... bring the frig of your choice (T1) and look me up
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.08.25 10:00:00 - [60] /Signed and bumped at the same time ;] Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg



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