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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:06:00 -
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The Breacher û The Forgotten Frigate
Ok, first things first, this is to show why the Breacher is weak and how it could be fixed to make it a useable ship while not upsetting the balance between it and the other missile frigates.
Slot Comparison
Breacher: Tier 3 ship with 4 highs, 2 mids and 2 lows. 8 total
3 Missile and 1 Turret hardpoints
Kestrel: Tier 3 ship with 4 highs, 3 mids and 2 lows. 9 total
4 Missile hard points.
The Rifter has 2 more slots than the Breacher, the Merlin has 1 more than the Kestrel.
Bringing Gallente in for a moment, the Tristan has 10 slots + 5m3 drone bay and the Incursus has 8 slots and 5m3 drone bay.
Looking at AmarrÆs tier 3 frigates it has a missile ship to! But unlike the Breacher also had 9 slots like the Kestrel. ItÆs other tier 3 frigate has 10 slots.
Damage Comparison
Graph comparing damage using T2 turrets/launchers.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0606/missilefrigates.JPG
Using T2 ammo
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0606/missilefrigatet2ammo.JPG
I also didn't use damage mods as obviously the Kestrel will get a greater increase as all 4 of its weapons are effected by a BCU where the Breacher only has 3 of its weapons effected.
As you can see the damage is comparable with the Kestrel, but what isnÆt shown is tracking, the damage of the Breacher more so than the Inquisitor is worse due to the bad tracking of arty and ACÆs which with the higher speed and agility of the ship compounds the problem.
I think most people would use a small nos in the turret slots which lowers the damage a lot below the Kestrel, somewhere to put the extra cap would be nice for the Breacher since the Inquisitor can use it on a small rep while also fitting extra hp and resistances which the Breacher can not. Of course the Kestrel could also fit a small NOS but IÆm not sure who would do that..
IÆm not asking for the damage of the Breacher to be better than the Kestrel or Inquisito, it is the slot layout that is the problem, when the Rifter got its deserved boosts the Breacher was forgotten and left behind.
Comparison between Rifter and Breacher.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0606/riftervsbreacher.JPG
Breacher is a better ranged ship but rifter is better in close where it is also quicker, more agile and smaller. Nothing I propose in this post will make the Breacher better than the Rifter or Kestrel, it will however make it a good and more viable ship.
Fitting
Breacher: Tier 3 ship with 4 highs, 2 mids and 2 lows. 8 total.
3 Missile and 1 Turret hardpoint.
31 PG with max fitting gives 38.75 PG
135 CPU with max fitting gives 168.75 CPU
Kestrel: Tier 3 ship with 4 highs, 3 mids and 2 lows. 9 total.
4 Missile hardpoints.
30 PG with max fitting gives 37 PG
150 CPU with max fitting gives 187.5 CPU
Inquisitor: Tier 3 ship with 4 highs, 2 mids and 3 lows. 9 total.
3 Missile and 1 Turret hardpoint.
32 PG with max fitting gives 40 PG
125 CPU with max fitting gives 156.25 CPU
The Breacher is the middle ground on fitting, but how on earth is it meant to use all that CPU? All the fittings I try along with setups posted by fellow lovers of the rust run out of PG well before CPU.
So after fitting weapons you have something like:
Breacher: 26.15 PG - 126 CPU 2 mids and 2 lows
Kestrel: 23.1 PG û 136.5 CPU 3 mids and 2 lows
Inquisitor: 22.9 PG û 112 CPU 2 mids and 3 lows
The Kestrel has enough CPU to fit all its mids with either a web + scram + shield tank (extender) and lows with damage mod or the plate Kestrel to use the extra mid for whatever you want.
The Inquisitor can fit scram, web, 200mm plate, EANM and small armour rep or a BCU instead of the EANM or even MAPC to fit a 400mm plate (leave the best setup for the Amarr scum to do, they have options at least). Or if propulsion is wanted then it can even fit a MWD with 200mm armour and have 2 more lows to use to tank.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:07:00 -
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Now the Breacherà. 2 mids and 2 lows, well mids have to go to at least a scrambler. So 1 mid and 2 lows with 25.15PG and 96 CPUà maybe MWD then you can just get a 200mm plate and have 0.15pg left so ermmm nanofibre ? Could go with no defence at all and fit BCUs but then the Inquisitor or Kestrel both do that better with Kestrel having more missiles affected by BCU and the Inquisitor able to fit BCU + tank or all BCU.
What the Breacher gets for not being able to tankà
Before everyone screams but its so fast, agile and small sig! ThatÆs its tank!
How much speed and agility does it actually get over the other missile ships?
Breacher: 300m/s and 1450000 mass with 41m Sig
Kestrel: 260m/s and 1700000 mass with 47m Sig
Inquisitor: 270m/s and 1500000 mass with 43m Sig
(Using base ship stats since this isnÆt a fitting thing and skills will affect the stats the same and the actual Agility factor is the same, but mass is different to affect the handling)
So its not that much smaller or more agile than the Inquisitor which can also do a good frigate armour tank.
Kestrel has 30 more shield HP, Inquisitor has nearly 90 more armour HP, thatÆs before skills increase those differences.
Kestrel has greater damage potential, along with any BCUÆs fitted giving a bigger boost to damage. It has 3 mids for tackling + propulsion or its tackling + tank + BCU. ThatÆs a fair compromise in my book, the Breacher and Inquisitor canÆt touch it when standard launcher setups come into play.
To maximise the speed advantage the Breacher needs to fit a AB or MWD which means no web or no scrambler, when using rockets this means you could get webbed and well, with no tank and no speed your dead quicker than either the Kestrel or Inquisitor. ItÆs an acceptable risk if you have the option of webbing the target yourself or have some sort of tank which the Kestrel and Inquisitor do.
Compare this to the Rifter which is 20m/s quicker, 6m smaller sig, 350000 less mass, 30 more HP in shields and armour with 60 more in structure the Breacher is just a big slow ship in comparison with low HP and next to no tank.
How To Boost the Breacher.
This is the thing that has puzzled me the most, I am in no doubt that it requires a boost but how to do it.
A MUST HAVE CHANGE!
At the minute it isnÆt a true minmatar ship in my eyes, its to heavy and big without the slots to do anything about it. The Rifter is a great frigate and has two more slots than it making the Breacher a ultra-specialised ship and with no cruiser with missile bonus its not even a good starting path to a Typhoon which is the most agile and quick BS. Make the Breacher a good missile ship in the style of a Minmatar ship, make it a GOOD alternative to the Rifter which it is not at the minute except for laughs and giggles. Why is the frigate missile ship not also quick and agile compared to ship of its own tier? It doesnÆt even have the slots to tank its big slow ass.
IÆm working on the Belly post to with the aim of making the Breacher -> Belly -> Typhoon path a possible path of training where at the minute there is only Rifter -> Rupture/Stabber -> Tempest.
This change isnÆt really an option in my eyes, it is a must:
Lower its mass and sig and up its speed closer to the other Minmatar ships.
At the minute its as heavy as a Merlin and only 50000 less than the Amarr Inquisitor, so how can people expect it to avoid taking damage? It canÆt use its extra speed in close orbit so the mass is the biggest problem.
Knock 250000 off and we can use that extra speed more in orbits.
Lower sig by 3m to reduce damage taken as 38m is just below the size of small turrets of 40m, that way it is getting its sig advantage over other frigates. Of course against rocket frigates that sig wonÆt matter which places extra emphasis on the speed/agility as the Kestrel and Inquisitor can both tank better.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:08:00 -
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...finally...
If it gets hit it will still hurt, and if it gets webbed, well thatÆs death to all Frigates, it will just go pop a few seconds sooner.
Other additional changes I would like to see:
Change 2: Give it another low slot
It can then be used for a MAPC leaving 2 slots to tank with, or if you donÆt want to fit a AB you can use all 3 lows to tank.
This might sound similar to the Inquisitor since it is the same slot layout but the extra HP that ship has in armour over the Breacher should balance out with the speed/agility difference.
Change 3: Give it another missile slot.
Avoid the problem of AC+Arty tracking if its meant to avoid damage at least let it give out all of its damage potential, the Kestrel and Inquisitor can tank better so making it have the same damage as a Kestrel would not be bad for balance. Yes CaldariÆs will say they are the missile specialists so should do the most damage but Minmatar have to use everything so if the "specilised" and "missiles are ours" came into everything Minmatar would be the worst at everything which is hardely balanced. Caldari are also the shield specialists along with the Kestrels extra mid slot to do that so its tank will be better than the Breacher while also remaining very different ships.
The fitting of Rocket launcher and standard missile launcher is higher than for ACÆs or Arty so this will reduce PG and CPU more, making it harder to tank without a MAPC in one of its two low slots. CPU would now come into play a bit, as it would then not be possible to fit 2x BCU.
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Frodo
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Frodo on 29/06/2006 19:13:57
OMFG you cant be serious Well hopefully youll get your breacher buff so you can pwnzor with em
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:13:00 -
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/signed for everything.
Although I doubt we'll see a 4th launcher, the mass, sig and slots really need sorting out.
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Locke Ateid
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Locke Ateid on 29/06/2006 19:29:29
The Breacher used to be better than the Kestral in a lot of ways back before the first missile changes. When frigates were able to use Cruise missiles, the Breacher had a speed and targeting range bonus. This made it a fast and deadly threat to everything in long range combat.
But when CCP decided that frigates would be limited to just rockets and light missiles, it was still better in a lot of ways. It was still extremely fast for a missile boat.
Then people began lobbying to get targeting range bonus changed to a ROF bonus, which it really needed because the range bonus was useless. That was about when Tuxford came around with his first balance between the races.
He granted everyones wish and gave it's ROF bonus, but like with everything he tries to 'balance' there is a satanic twist...he toke away it's speed bonus and basically turned it into a worthless frigate when compared to the Kestral.
I've never like him since...it started with the Breacher, it will end when TomB reclaims his stolen nerfbat.
P.S. Racial damage bonuses are not balanced when one side gets less missile slots then another, especial when it's EM damage.
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Elaine Threepwood
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:29:00 -
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Mostly signed. I'd be happy with just lower mass, although an extra (low or mid) slot wouldn't go amiss... Definitely doesn't need a 4th launcher though, there's no reason for it to have more launchers than a crow.
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:49:00 -
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/signed on the lowered mass and increased agility speed
It definitely needs it. More than additional slots or hardpoints if it comes to it.
Lovely little ship, shame it's just not worth using in favour of, well, anything else really atm.
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R31D
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Posted - 2006.06.29 19:52:00 -
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/signed
If the Breacher was a bit less heavy and a bit faster it'd be a pretty useful ship, but still not out-do the Rifter at brute strength tasks
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:07:00 -
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It's inferior to the Rifter in any way due to lack of med and low slots. It should recieve at least one med or low.
Didn't fly it for a looong time so I dunno about the mass.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:38:00 -
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pretty much spot on.
weirda have different preferences for breacher change, but probably any change would be for better.
More Cap
you have like 2 bars with max cap skill + mwd...
More Grid
have also always saw it as more of a 'long range' missile spammer which it haven't had the grid to do since RMR. if you need to get inside web range on this ship, you are dead. it is a piece of scaffold with engine ffs!
would most prefer +1 mid on there if it only get one slot, but it is tier 3 frig and currently have 2 less slot then rifter... could really do with 4/4/2 or 4/3/3... hell, even if you took away that last high slot to give it more slot in mid and low that wouldn't be amiss (IWHO).
either way, have been thinking of this frigate for long time (it used to be one of favourite), and am glad someone took initiave to write a great post on it! 
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Insomnium
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Insomnium on 29/06/2006 20:54:36
/signed
Gosh I love my little Breacher. Although it just can't really compare to the Kestrel at times, the thought of flying around this little heap of scrap metal while spewing death unto your enemies brings smiles to my face.
Boost the Breacher!
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Chief Seattle
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:13:00 -
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/signed breacher really needs an overhaul
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:06:00 -
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/signed.
an increase in mass and drop is speed would make it usable, and an extra slot (i'd prefer low) would make it a good and usefull ship.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2006.06.29 23:16:00 -
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Breacher has the same slot load out as the pre buff Rifter. To stay in-line with other frigates it MUST HAVE another slot. At the moment, it simply has less slots for its class than every other ship in the game. For absolutely no reason.
And faster and lighter. Dont need an hp boost of any description, would kinda spoil it. Its not meant to tank at all, it is, after all, a load of scaffold poles with an engine at one end and some launchers at tho other.
And is also the coolest looking ship in the game and deserves to be as good as its class counterparts.
Basically
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voidvim
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Posted - 2006.06.29 23:16:00 -
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/signed
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Leshrac Shepherd
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Posted - 2006.06.30 01:20:00 -
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It is indeed unimpressing.
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Mr Monk
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Posted - 2006.06.30 03:42:00 -
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Yes pls
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.30 19:18:00 -
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bump for teh breacher
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.07.01 09:19:00 -
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/signed again
So good I signed it twice 
But seriously, with the survivability of a Probe, it's not the kind of ship that is sensible to take into combat unless it can live long enough to do its job by other means. Whilst its balsawood and tinfoil design that means it's never going to be a tank is fine, it's inability to evade damage through speed and agility just isn't good enough to even remotely balance. A few more CPU wouldn't hurt the ship either...
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Natachia
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Posted - 2006.07.01 09:36:00 -
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/signed
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.07.01 10:47:00 -
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Yep /signed
lower mass, more cap
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2006.07.03 09:47:00 -
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I used to build and sell breachers back when I was a little guy. The bottom fell out of the market the very day the speed bonus was taken away.
I would like to see an extra mid and a mass decrease.
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Varis
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Posted - 2006.07.03 10:03:00 -
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Have to agree - i love the breacher.
I did the Breacher - Belli - Typhoon path already :) underpowered the whole way along.
All it needs is to bring back its great speed - make it much faster and lighter so it can tank by using speed!. As to the slot layout, i'd prefer an extra low to wack in a MAPC, but honesty anything is good...
Let me use my breacher again! The rifter out classes it in every way, which is a shame as the breacher is suppoed to be the other tier3 minnie frigate.
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McTaggart
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Posted - 2006.07.03 11:56:00 -
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If you're Gallente you've got an Incursus or a Tristan.
If you're Caldari you've got a Kessie or a Merlin.
If you're Amarr you've got the Punisher or the Inquisitor.
For Minmatar, you've only got a Rifter.
/signed.
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Deren Thaldrel
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Posted - 2006.07.04 05:00:00 -
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/signed
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arbitrary
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Posted - 2006.07.04 05:19:00 -
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/signed.
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Mr Fenris
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Posted - 2006.07.04 05:23:00 -
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Agreed, is one of my fav frigs. 1 more low, lighter, faster.
Thx
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:17:00 -
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/signed
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Daos Leghki
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:18:00 -
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Well, the Inqui is kinda a piece of crap as well, but at least it has the advantage of surprising all the caldari pilots as their shields melt
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Holi
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Holi on 04/07/2006 13:25:43
/signed
For the fact that "The Breacher's structure is little more than a fragile scrapheap" it sure is a bit heavy 
A small cap boost wouldn't go amiss either and loosing the turret-only highslot for a mid and/or low slot wouldn't hurt it's performance IMHO.
No shield/armor/stucture hp boost needed it's speed and sig radius should compensate for that.
But I'm happy if it only gets a mass and speed/sig tweak 
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M'buku
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Posted - 2006.07.04 17:55:00 -
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Ahhh the Breacher!
I really like the ship. I remember once apon a time in band camp.........
Seriously once we had a corp frigate tournament, and I won with a Breacher!!!
Couldn't do it these days though.
/me sits outside Tux's office with his sleeping bag and a "Boost The Breacher!" banner.....
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Rachag
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Posted - 2006.07.04 21:00:00 -
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breacher is a cool little ship.
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Zeke Novak
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Posted - 2006.07.04 22:44:00 -
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/signed
I wanna fly something other than a Rifter when I feel like rocking a frigate!
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Tequila Slamma
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Posted - 2006.07.05 08:11:00 -
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/signed
And on the fourth attempt to post to this f***ed up forum I'll just say this
Bump for teh Team
Stapler stapling, stapler stops.
Cock, Hook and Look.
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Phish1
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Posted - 2006.07.05 09:49:00 -
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/signed oh signed!
good ideas, well presented and backed up.
breacher is a great little ship, and people dont expect it to turn around and bite them. they expect the kessie to spam light missiles, but not the breacher.
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:14:00 -
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Just curious as to whether a Dev has seen this and has perhaps considered looking into it. I know there's a lot going on right now, what with the Kali 1 buildup and Amarr threads and all, but hey I can hope that this nifty little ship can be tweaked into usefulness
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Masu'di
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Posted - 2006.07.06 12:27:00 -
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the only real use i've found for this frig, is for unusual tournament setups.
mwd, light missiles, and keep at max range. struggle to fit much else though.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.07.06 13:35:00 -
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I wouldn't say that the Breacher is the forgotten frigate.
At least it's in the game which is more than can be said for the missing sixth Amarrian frigate.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.07.06 14:28:00 -
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If a new player asks anyone what Minmatar frigate they should get the answer is always "Rifter", i'm sure many people had/have forgotton there is a second tier 3 minmatar frigate. But then whos going to recommend a missile frigate when there is no missile cruiser and the missile BS is a hyrid of turret/missile/drones...
I would love a dev post on this topic, its not a major change in the grand scheme of things but from the feedback from other players its a popular one with no real arguement against it. Just to know they will look at it would be nice.
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Kilarntar
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Posted - 2006.07.06 14:34:00 -
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/signed
Would be nice to have a second choice for frigate use as a Minmatar.
Add a low slot, increase speed.
/signed
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Razean
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:25:00 -
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/signed
I've played around with the Breacher myself, but quickly realized it was simply lacking as a Tier 3 Frigate. The Rifter is just far superior in every aspect. My Breacher has been collecting dust since 2 days after I bought it.
Poor speed.
Poor maneuverability.
No tank.
Lack of slots.
Poor cap.
What exactly about this ship makes it a Tier 3 ship? The fact that it has 4 high slots? that's nice and all, but it's completely lacking in every other aspect.
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Winnomill
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:33:00 -
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/signed
Wait...there's another Minmatar frigate?!
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
I wouldn't say that the Breacher is the forgotten frigate.
At least it's in the game which is more than can be said for the missing sixth Amarrian frigate.
perhaps you should make thread on it slaver? Weirda would be happy to if you not capable...  
would say Tux... but actually it would be nice to have hammer give this friggie a little Hammertime! C'mon Matari DEV - let us see the love... boobies? 
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Merv Tring
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.08.08 00:01:00 -
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The Breacher used to be my favorite ship back in '03. Now, however, it's not a useful alternative to the Rifter. The Rifter is faster, more manouverable, and can fit a tank.
Boost the Breacher!
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Akip
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.08.08 12:10:00 -
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bumb and /signed
I would love to fly it more effectivily
/cheers
Akip
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Leshrac Shepherd
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.08 12:50:00 -
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You could also bump my bellicose thread while you are at it
My Boost Bellicose Thread
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.08.10 23:07:00 -
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Breacher <3
(yes it's a bump)
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Crellion
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.10 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 10/08/2006 23:57:27
No, nO and -well- no.
Or at least think about it for a sec:
Kestrel : 260 speed 1700000 mass 30 grid. Cant fit 4 standards and anything else.
Breacher: 300 speed 1400000 mass 31 grid. Can fit 3 standards and a turret much easyier. It is faster and can keep range.
It can "kite" better and it can low orbit better. It can tackle better. It is harder to hit. It does more damage to average tech I armor tank where "most" ships tank.
Why do you want to make it even faster? Even as it is it can kite Cruisers with ab standards and 20km and cprs with good skills. A kestrel can not do that.
I am sorry to be the party ****er but is what I am saying rly unfair???
Best frig ingame (techI) is by far the rifter. You need the second best in the same race too????????????????????????
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voidvim
Minmatar
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Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.11 00:35:00 -
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/signed
how abotu 5 high slots 3 missiles 2 turrets, our cruiser get the most high slots & our battles crusier get the most high slots and our Tier one battle ships gets the most weapon slots. that would give it the 9 slots like the other 2. maybe a little gird to fit stuff too. It fits in with minmatar lots of guns aproach to war.
oh and the other other need changes people have talked about.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.08.11 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Edited by: Crellion on 10/08/2006 23:57:27
No, nO and -well- no.
Or at least think about it for a sec:
Kestrel : 260 speed 1700000 mass 30 grid. Cant fit 4 standards and anything else.
Breacher: 300 speed 1400000 mass 31 grid. Can fit 3 standards and a turret much easyier. It is faster and can keep range.
It can "kite" better and it can low orbit better. It can tackle better. It is harder to hit. It does more damage to average tech I armor tank where "most" ships tank.
Why do you want to make it even faster? Even as it is it can kite Cruisers with ab standards and 20km and cprs with good skills. A kestrel can not do that.
I am sorry to be the party ****er but is what I am saying rly unfair???
Best frig ingame (techI) is by far the rifter. You need the second best in the same race too????????????????????????
Wow, took many months to get an actual arguement against this.
And if you didn't guess by the size and detail I did think about it for more than a second.
Fitting - blah blah and -well- blah
with AWU 5
4x T2 Standard Launchers
1x 1mn MWD
1x MAPC
2 mid slots and 1 low left.
2.6 pg and 63 CPU left.
I wouldn't turn down that kind of damage output at that range while travelling 1500m/s. Fit a warp disruptor, nano, cap recharger. Want a tank? fit short range weapons like rocket launchers like everyone else has to.
Breacher - Fit 3x T2 Launchers and you can't even fit a 1mn MWD either so still need a MAPC like the kestrel. We also get 1 less mid. If we want to tank? OH look, we got all of 2 lows or 2 mids, even with rocket's we can't tank it.
That 1pg even with eng 5 doesn't mean it can lose the MAPC and still fit the MWD.
It can tackle better - Yes that 1 mid after AB/MWD make it a great tackler... Especially with that huge ammount of cap it has. (feel the sarcasm). Ok so it can catch the target.... if it doesn't die in 2 seconds from its rubbish HP.
something about rifter
Rifter has: 37MW, 125tf, 200 cap, 320m/s, 35m sig and weighs 1100000. 863 total HP. 1 extra mid and 1 extra low
Breacher has: 31 MW, 135 tf, 150 cap, 300m/s and 41m sig and weighs 1450000. 731 total hp.
Please tell me how the Breacher can tank like a Rifter, go as quick/agile as a Rifter.
The numbers I put forward do indeed move it closer to a Rifter, but it is still no where near it in terms of speed/agility or tanking.
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.11 00:58:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Valea Silpha on 11/08/2006 00:59:16
As a change of pace, why not bump the vigil up to tier 3 and the breacher down to tier 2. Give the vigil another slot somewhere, and there you go.
The problem with boosting the breacher is that if you give it 4 launchers its just a new skin on a kestral, which is a shade pointless. In fact, boost it in anyway and it steps on the kestrals toes. Now that i would love to see, god knows minnies need more things that are '4tw' but i think in the greater spirit of the game, having ships that are clones are each other isn't good.
Edit:
Unless you make it some kinda friggie phoon.
4 high (2 turret 2 missiles)
2 meds
4 lows
What do you think ?
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Dred 'Morte
Minmatar
Sammael's Legion
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Posted - 2006.08.11 01:57:00 -
[53]
Bring back oversized missiles!
A few tricks like no bonus affecting oversized missiles and it's not too unbalanced.
Dam I miss the days when noobs could actually FIGHT in frigates. Eve was a lot more fun back then. Kestrel, Rifter and Breacher, those were THE frigates!
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Kashre
Minmatar
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.11 02:39:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
If a new player asks anyone what Minmatar frigate they should get the answer is always "Rifter", i'm sure many people had/have forgotton there is a second tier 3 minmatar frigate. But then whos going to recommend a missile frigate when there is no missile cruiser and the missile BS is a hyrid of turret/missile/drones...
I would love a dev post on this topic, its not a major change in the grand scheme of things but from the feedback from other players its a popular one with no real arguement against it. Just to know they will look at it would be nice.
I'd recomend a missile frigate if it wasnt such a stinky peice of dookie.
In fact, I do reccomend a breacher for nooby people looking to get into .4 hunting or lower. A thrasher or rifter takes a lot of skill to use against NPC cruisers in low sec space and live. A breacher can just AB around him at 15km and pelt him with light missiles without taking much in the way of hits.
Although I wouldnt advocate its use for anything even remotely PvP oriented unless it gets a lot more cap and/or a third mid and/or a mass decrease.
Pretty rediculous that a little box with an old RF antenna sticking out of it is so unmanuverable.
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Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.11 02:48:00 -
[55]
*ponders another midslot for it*
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Omatje
Minmatar
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.11 07:41:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Edited by: Valea Silpha on 11/08/2006 00:59:16
As a change of pace, why not bump the vigil up to tier 3 and the breacher down to tier 2. Give the vigil another slot somewhere, and there you go.
Why would anyone choose a Vigil over a Rifter nowadays?
For it's bonus?
The Vigil and the Rifter both had they own unique roles in in combat, before they where changed.
Now the Vigil is more or less obsolete and the Rifter is just another average frigate.
If you want to make the Vigil a tier3 frigate now, it will be the same ship as a Rifter, but then with a useless bonus.
The breacher at least has another role and i like the idea of flying it once more when it will be made usefull again.
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Posted - 2006.08.15 02:36:00 -
[57]
yay
*bump*
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Zenemis
Caldari
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2006.08.15 03:31:00 -
[58]
It's clear the Breacher is already an absolute solo pwnmobile, so
/signed.
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faxtarious
Xandak
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Posted - 2006.08.15 03:56:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Dred 'Morte
Bring back oversized missiles!
A few tricks like no bonus affecting oversized missiles and it's not too unbalanced.
Dam I miss the days when noobs could actually FIGHT in frigates. Eve was a lot more fun back then. Kestrel, Rifter and Breacher, those were THE frigates!
we actually still can fight...
bring the frig of your choice (T1) and look me up 
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.08.25 10:00:00 -
[60]
/Signed and bumped at the same time ;]
Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Xantina
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.08.25 11:36:00 -
[61]
As Minmatar I try and fly mostly Minmatar ships (although I train Caldari as well as a second line). But the Breacher is a ship I've never flown before. No do I feel why I should fly one now. A Kestrel outperforms in in just every aspect as a missile ship. And within just 2 days everybody can have Caldari Frigate 4.
And if you don't want a missile boat - the breacher would simply be forgotten.
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Merv Tring
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.08.25 12:05:00 -
[62]
The ship is a scaffold with engines. It needs less mass and more speed! Zoom zoom!
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.08.30 22:20:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Tasty Burger on 30/08/2006 22:20:33
Signed!
/me recalls the days of breachers with cruise missiles... so many crows fell to my breacher.
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Noair
Gallente
The Nexus Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.30 22:21:00 -
[64]
/signed
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Xendie
Hunter Killers
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Posted - 2006.08.30 22:49:00 -
[65]
the breacher used to be one of the most fun minnie frigs back when you could use cruises on them :)
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2006.08.30 23:50:00 -
[66]
Save Ferris! I mean The Breacher! Also give the inquisitor a little love. The amarr need another decent frigate too.
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bldyannoyed
Standard Operations Building Services
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.14 16:31:00 -
[67]
/signed again
this is a totally shameless bumb btw
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Phelan Boots
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.10.14 18:03:00 -
[68]
I had so much fun flying a Breacher in my first few days of play. Then I got a rifter, learned some more about the game, and realized the breacher is a peice of crap. :( I would love to see a Breacher boost.
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.14 18:10:00 -
[69]
The Inquisitor sucks big time too, always has done. So in a way non-Caldari missile frigates are perfectly balanced. 
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Karx
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Posted - 2006.10.14 20:12:00 -
[70]
I killed a ferox in a breacher before. But yeah it does need a speed increase atleast.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.10.14 22:18:00 -
[71]
Hey the Vigil is not useless it just happens to be the fastest shuttle in the game so there !
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.10.27 05:01:00 -
[72]
I don't know how this thread managed to escape me signing it.
/sing sing
Please CCP, boost the coolest ship model in the game. :D
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Blade Comith
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:00:00 -
[73]
My favorite frig getting a much needed boost? I loved its speed and nimbleness; give it a mass decrease and a speed boost!
/signed.
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Skjumurake
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:20:00 -
[74]
Necrobump for /signing and begging PLEASE, PLEASE, gimme a low and less mass! By God... are there any ships LESS able of doing things than this one?
I am going out soon to prove this ship's worth, but a PvP tank is garrdurned difficult to come up with when you're not 2 years old and have V skills across the whole missile/elecs/engineering/spaceship/gunnery board.
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sariss
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:42:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Max Hardcase
Hey the Vigil is not useless it just happens to be the fastest shuttle in the game so there !
Sorry Max, but you¦re clueless
To stay on topic: Breacher is a fine ship. Its damage output, though not as good as a Kestrel, is still fine, especially since it is doing explosive damage. With good skills you can blast through a Interceptors armor in no time.
However its use is limited to being a support frig since it lacks a third medslot.
So: /signed
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Darax Thulain
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:50:00 -
[76]
Yay! A breacher post!
As others have allready stated, this frigate had its time back in the Cruisemissile frigate days. I used to love it since with the speedbonus as it could actually outrun the cruise fired by other ships like kestrels and suchlike.
Now however, I only fly this thing on sisi when I am bored and have a deathwish. Any sort of boost would be good, tho I do miss the speed bonus.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:55:00 -
[77]
I'll have to sign this one.
When you look at the ship, the boosts that make the most sense are:
1: Speed
2: Agility
3: Very, very low sig radius.
Lets face it, the little pile of pipes should be **** hard to hit solidly.
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Imhotep Khem
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:30:00 -
[78]
Signed!
I don't like the frig-phoon idea either. The phoon is dumb enough as it is. If you split the weapons you must double the bonuses. And that still does not balance with the training time and the poor boost from Gyrostabs and Ballistics...
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TitusBrutusVictor
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:55:00 -
[79]
Breacher is currently a useless ship. Shouldn't even be in the game.
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Leuko Uratne
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:21:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Ranger 1
I'll have to sign this one.
When you look at the ship, the boosts that make the most sense are:
1: Speed
2: Agility
3: Very, very low sig radius.
Lets face it, the little pile of pipes should be **** hard to hit solidly.
I agree. Would be nice to see this ship get better. I might even train some missile skills.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:24:00 -
[81]
Cool, people still keeping this in view for ccp.
Sadly I don't expect anything, I mean why bother spending time balancing T1 frigates? Except maybe to give something FUN that has a chance other than Rifter.
Only reason i've ever heard someone use this ship is "I don't wanna bring a Rifter like everyone else will".
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EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:37:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Cool, people still keeping this in view for ccp.
Sadly I don't expect anything, I mean why bother spending time balancing T1 frigates? Except maybe to give something FUN that has a chance other than Rifter.
Only reason i've ever heard someone use this ship is "I don't wanna bring a Rifter like everyone else will".
Careful...
/me waits for Rifter nerf to 'fix' the problem... 
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:24:00 -
[83]
Buff the breacher... then replace the claw with an inty based off of the breacher. (read minmatar crow)
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Mortuus
Minmatar
Just-fun
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:43:00 -
[84]
Hey, now you are talking crazy, just give Minmatar a 3rd ceptor =) The hit and run raiding race right, and you can have the Bellicose back.
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:28:00 -
[85]
Hey CCP LOOK AT THIS.. that is one of the few rare cases when almost everyone on every race agrees a ship needs a boost. So please.. give it some consideration.
Correct its mass at least and ad an extra sot (any mid or low will amke people happier).
After the Maelstron.. that is the least you could do for minmatar.
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mr passie
Minmatar
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:36:00 -
[86]
Quote:
...and ad an extra sot.
personally I think ccp has enough sots
anyway signed, the only time I remember flying one waw when I started out and didn't have the cash for a rifter (I think)
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AsfALT
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:02:00 -
[87]
I consider the breacher one of the sexyest ships ingame.
Sadly it's of no use :(
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Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:11:00 -
[88]
One of the best posts I've seen in a long time, well thought out, well reasoned, I cannot disagree with it.
so ..
/signed.
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:42:00 -
[89]
So glad to see this post back again
<3 for the Breacher. I'd love to see it be able to speedtank to fit in with it's fragile-but-nippy theme. Wouldn't say no to an addtional slot somewhere either but that'd be a great big cherry on the icing.
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 13:10:00 -
[90]
To go all crazy and specific for the Breacher
-1 high(-1 turret)
+1 mid
+1 low
= nice breacher to me
Crystal-Slave, that way?
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Imhotep Khem
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 14:01:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Reatu Krentor
To go all crazy and specific for the Breacher
-1 high(-1 turret)
+1 mid
+1 low
= nice breacher to me
Very true. It feels funny though as that is Rifter's slot layout. But really there is no reason why they can't share that layout considering their weapon systems are different. Unless you want to give the Rifter 4 lows 
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Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 14:32:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Originally by: Reatu Krentor
To go all crazy and specific for the Breacher
-1 high(-1 turret)
+1 mid
+1 low
= nice breacher to me
Very true. It feels funny though as that is Rifter's slot layout. But really there is no reason why they can't share that layout considering their weapon systems are different. Unless you want to give the Rifter 4 lows
Rifter has 4 highs(3t-2l) though .
Crystal-Slave, that way?
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Razean
Minmatar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.22 15:49:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Reatu Krentor
To go all crazy and specific for the Breacher
-1 high(-1 turret)
+1 mid
+1 low
= nice breacher to me
I like that idea. Drop the turret for a bit more utility/flexibility. I could even see making it a 10 slot Frigate with only 3 weapon hardpoints (all launcher) and 4 mids or low slots. I'd go for 4 lows myself. It doesn't have the cap to really take advantage of having 4 mids. Even just 3/3/3 would be an improvement though.
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Blade Comith
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.22 19:50:00 -
[94]
Best idea so far is for a signature radius reduction. This way, the ship wouldnt be overpowered, but very hard to hit. Fits right in the Minmatar hit and run philosophy.
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Skjumurake
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Posted - 2006.11.23 10:39:00 -
[95]
It's amazing, though - we all agree on it, and there are no news about it. It seems as if someone actually has to OPPOSE a change for there to be any!
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Lyta Reimalken
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.24 15:02:00 -
[96]
Youd think given that support for a boost is unanimous, that someone involved in balancing would at least make mention of the fact they see our concerns. Oh well, heres to hoping it gets some love soon. Its a pretty ship, and one that could be an integral part of frigate gangs, if only it wasnt so crap :(
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Hiro Kazamatsuri
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Posted - 2006.11.24 15:33:00 -
[97]
Awesome OP.
BTW, a 4th Missile slot is a bit too much and kill the Kestrel uniqueness.
I'd happily go for a 3/3/3 Breacher with a small mass reduction.
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Lyta Reimalken
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:48:00 -
[98]
Any sign of this ever getting done? It doesnt feel like it would take much to turn it into a frigate people would actually not be embaressed to fly :(
Tier 3 frigate indeed...
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Skjumurake
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:41:00 -
[99]
All your players want it changed!
Change it!
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:20:00 -
[100]
Just a speed boost and a cap boost would make this ship a lot better. An extra mid and low would be great as well.
Also, remove the claw and make a minmatar ceptor based off of the breacher.
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Gort
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.07 22:27:00 -
[101]
/signed to everything.
Anything to bring the Breacher back to life....
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2007.03.07 22:42:00 -
[102]
Make it a kestrel with an explosive damage bonus, and it'll be ok :)
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.07 23:08:00 -
[103]
/me signs to everything.
Like the "Alter the Bellicose to be a missile boat" I agree with this being altered to be a proper minmatar frigate and a proper missile boat at the same time.
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Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.08 00:41:00 -
[104]
Please give the antenna ship alot of love.
As it is now, it is even more meaningless then the Stealth Bomber :(
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Ren Tales
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.08 05:22:00 -
[105]
/signed
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Maeltstome
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Posted - 2007.03.08 06:02:00 -
[106]
/signed again
i've used the breacher well, needs ECM though. But its still very fragile.
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Kae McClana
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Posted - 2007.03.08 06:25:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Reatu Krentor
To go all crazy and specific for the Breacher
-1 high(-1 turret)
+1 mid
+1 low
= nice breacher to me
This plus the mass and sig radius decreases would make this ship a serious contender.
Get this and change the Belli to 4 launcher slots 2 turret slots 5 total highs, and change the gun bonus to heavy and heavy assualt rate of fire....
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PhalHell
Minmatar
Rome
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 10:55:00 -
[108]
Mostly signed
I used to love that ship too as a ranged missile boat
Restore range bonus and an extra low slot would be great !
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Drykor
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.03.10 17:42:00 -
[109]
/Signed
more capacitor/grid and an extra med slot would already help alot.
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Jeats Conti
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Posted - 2007.04.16 02:57:00 -
[110]
Reduce the mass of the ship, and add an extra low slot for a MAPC fitting and you would have a fine ship.
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Still Hart
Chaos Reborn
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.04.17 15:32:00 -
[111]
I started playing this game about 1 week before RMR so I never actually knew the breacher to be a usable ship. I've been flying minmatar the entire time and I've nevr once flown the breacher. I've flown every other minmatar ship except for capital and command ships. The breacher needs some love.
Bump, for great justice.
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2007.04.17 16:11:00 -
[112]
Signed,
Even though I think it is still a fun ship but pretty weak comparied to other. It is very hard fiting it to do anything. I would argee and extra low slot would be nice. But i don't think the change for all 4 high slots to launchers is apporpreate, even though when I have my set up the 4th highslot is empty. I would rather just remove the 4th high slot give it the low slot and give it some other unnerfs. I think the ship is fine with long range standard launcher set up, and no tank.
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Jecasta Silesta
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Posted - 2007.04.18 00:24:00 -
[113]
Yes it is about time something was done about the breacher and a speed boost may be the answer.
/signed
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Lyta Reimalken
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.12 15:26:00 -
[114]
I believe a bump is in order.
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Orestes Umnon
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.12 15:35:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Lyta Reimalken
I believe a bump is in order.
I believe I agree.
Please fix our Breacher, CCP!
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Lydia Browm
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.12 15:39:00 -
[116]
Or if not going to give it extra slots, lowers its mass and give it a bonus: 7.5% bonus to Max ship velocity? And what is this rof bonus u speak of 
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Banzai OdiN
Caldari
Species 5618
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Posted - 2007.08.12 15:40:00 -
[117]
Signed, it's my favourite ship also
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.08.12 16:40:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Reatu Krentor
To go all crazy and specific for the Breacher
-1 high(-1 turret)
+1 mid
+1 low
= nice breacher to me
Thats a good breaher.
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Starbucks Partner
Antipodean inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.12 19:21:00 -
[119]
its such a cool looking frigate, give it some love
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.12 19:42:00 -
[120]
Cool looking? Pretty ship? It's a steel truss with a box bolted on one end... It looks like a tower crane without the mast.
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Kala Veijo
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.12 19:43:00 -
[121]
When you see Sarmaul in thread, it has to be necro
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.08.12 19:53:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Cool looking? Pretty ship? It's a steel truss with a box bolted on one end... It looks like a tower crane without the mast.
Yep, not only am I glad you agree it's so cool looking, it's nice that you took the trouble to explain why.
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Teron D'Amun
The Burning Orphans
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.12 20:58:00 -
[123]
Originally by: McTaggart
If you're Gallente you've got an Incursus or a Tristan.
If you're Caldari you've got a Kessie or a Merlin.
If you're Amarr you've got the Punisher or the Inquisitor.
For Minmatar, you've only got a Rifter.
/signed.
and the Merlin gets a ship bonus to Hybrid turrets but only 2 of the 4 high slots are turret hardpoints
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:42:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Teron D'Amun
and the Merlin gets a ship bonus to Hybrid turrets but only 2 of the 4 high slots are turret hardpoints
Same as the Tristan.
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.08.12 21:50:00 -
[125]
The breacher could well and truly do with a buff, seems ccp like to stick the minmatar with the duds just to be sods.
+1 low a smaller sig and more pg should do the trick.
However I would also like to change the bonuses and make it a +5%/lvl damage to missiles across the board and have a missile velocity bonus.
bonus.
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Oscar Clay
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Posted - 2007.08.13 00:28:00 -
[126]
Breacher's a great little mission boat as it is, but I wouldn't mind seeing it get a bit of a boost just so more people would give it a chance.
Here's my old setup from newbie days; everything fits just fine with engineering 4 and nothing in a Lvl1 mission'll even be able to get close enough to hit you.
3 standard missile launchers
280mm howitzer
cold gas arcjet AB
small shield extender II
overdrive
MAPC
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Corphus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.08.13 00:47:00 -
[127]
i like the idea. i recently tried out the breacher an i found it disapointing to see that the kestrel and inquisitor have more slots than this one. imo this ship should either have another med/low or a bonus to missle velocity combined with a bigger targeting range.
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Nyck
Not Your Common Killers
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Posted - 2007.08.13 06:42:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Cool looking? Pretty ship? It's a steel truss with a box bolted on one end... It looks like a tower crane without the mast.
We always joked about how I stole an antennae off our VP's Raven and bolted it onto a shuttle.
/SIGNED
I would love to see this ship be useful.
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Kilabi
Corp die auf alles schiesst wo was sie Lust hat
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Posted - 2007.08.18 20:56:00 -
[129]
/signed
I really love the concept of missilesided minnie ships.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:29:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Kilabi
/signed
I really love the concept of missilesided minnie ships.
10/10 for corp name
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:52:00 -
[131]
/signed and don't forget to add some powergride to the Inquisitor!
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Centurion1
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:12:00 -
[132]
Please do it, rifters are boring !
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Mr Fenris
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Posted - 2007.08.22 08:23:00 -
[133]
/signed for a boost to the Breacher because I love it so.
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Neu Bastian
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Posted - 2007.11.24 13:01:00 -
[134]
/necro
/sign
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.24 15:57:00 -
[135]
rofl gtfo 2006
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