does this mean I can post carebear entitlement crap with sockpuppet characters and get some bears blown up

Sure, just grab a ship and start the punitive action! I mean, a -6 sec char is fair game to everyone. Do grab something Amarrian for that extra judgemental flair. If you didn't want them in your hi-sec why didn't you stop them?

They're not, but only one gank pays for them tags. One gank that nullifies the sec status loss of aver 20 ganks...


And please both of you note, I said I didnt have an issue with ganking and considering it myself, but it is far too easy to repair the sec status.

Really? I did not know 1 gank pays 400mil.

Also, majority gankers are -10. They are little if at all concerned about their sec status.

how about we look at it this way what do you do with someone who has killed someone or damaged/destroyed there property they normally go to this thing called jail aka low sec they would not be let into regular society but in this game someone who commits a crime is treated with nothing more then a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

Really? I did not know 1 gank pays 400mil.

Also, majority gankers are -10. They are little if at all concerned about their sec status.

People with very low sec status are shot on sight by CONCORD, and I think there's also a point where players can shoot them at will too.

This is the person in question I have sat and watched as well as this person. Please note in game their security status. And look at what they gank.

One gank is all that pays for their tags...

And I quite agree, the real gankers are -10 security status. People like CODE. those guys I actually respect as gankers due to their ability to work with -10 sec status and against players and faction police... Not to mention they gank because its fun, not for the ISK efficiency...

NeoBob is in Goonwaffe, hence it's fairly reasonable to assume that he rats in nullsec for his sec status. If you take a closer look at his killboard you'll also see that when he dies, it's generally not to Concord, ergo he's not a suicide ganker.

In fact in the first 2 pages of his KB only one of his deaths involves Concord, so most of his kills are probably due to wardecs or manipulation of aggro mechanics.

Your assumptions are exactly that, assumptions. I have sat and watched this guy operate. He usually dies before Concord land on grid, hence the reason most of the losses only have Gate Guns on them. I know from sitting there and watching that he suicide ganks. Not due to what you are suggesting. Warps Vexor to gate. Gardes come out. Tayra or whatever jumps through. Neobob engages going criminal in the process.

As are yours

It's still much more likely that NeoBob rats for his sec status in null than buying tags, tags are an unnecessary expense when you have access to nullsec rats.

Because maybe people want to play a pvp game instead of ratting and pve for weeks on end, whats the point paying a subscription for a mmo if your just going to play against npc's

[quote=Saar Ynier]Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...

Play against npcs all you want but dont force others to do the same, this is a sandbox and people want to kill players whether it be to make a living or or just for lols, i for one refuse to do any pve because i find it pointless and a waste of my money, carebears already have protection of highsec and if they choose to take a shortcut via a lowsec ganking system then they should not moan when they are turned into game content

I have taken to sitting sometimes in Josameto and watching the same person in a Vexor over and over gank haulers, then the neutral alt warps to the wreck, scoops it and warps off.

Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...

Don't get me wrong, ganking is part of this game, but since these tags were introduced there's been far more smaller entities doing it.

you rly are stupid they are not they sat on my grid and killed me well concord did nothing for a full 1 min and the fact they can glitch concord y sacking 1 ship to bring them on grid then do the attack so the second group wont show as fast as bs

Did I in any way tell someone how to play the game? No I did not. Perhaps if you read my posts rather that cherry pick them, you would see this.

I also state that I agree that ganking is as much a part of time game and also that I respect the gankers that play at -10 in hisec (in my opinion the proper gankers).

What I dont like, is the fact its too easy for people who just want quick ISK to gank several haulers, then run to grab tags and repair their sec status immidietly so they have no consequence (other than of course kill rights, but how many haulers use them)...

Edit: This was just a friendly debate and I was putting across the otherside of the argument, but some people cant read and decide to only reply to what they think I'm saying not to what I am actually saying. I'm out.

It's still much more likely that NeoBob rats for his sec status in null than buying tags, tags are an unnecessary expense when you have access to nullsec rats.

there is almost no restrictions on -10 pilots iv watched them drive bc/bs around hi sec like its an evening drive

Josameto - last 24 hours

Jumps: 26,115
Ship kills: 238
Chance of asploding: 0.91% (includes wardecs, awoxing, ganking, duels, etc)

We're talking about 2 jumps from Jita at the weekend - these alleged smaller entities aren't very good at ganking.

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec

how about we look at it this way what do you do with someone who has killed someone or damaged/destroyed there property they normally go to this thing called jail aka low sec they would not be let into regular society but in this game someone who commits a crime is treated with nothing more then a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

They're already nice and flashy red for anyone to shoot at, what's the problem again ?

Jumps: How many of them were T1 haulers carrying enough to be ganked.

Kills: How many of them where T1 haulers.

In the whole of New Eden: How many ganks have happened in the past 24 hours by people that aren't -5 and below because they are the people I am specifically talking about...

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

No way to tell, that data isn't tracked publicly