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Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10878	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:57:00 - [61] - Quote Saar Ynier wrote: They're not, but only one gank pays for them tags. One gank that nullifies the sec status loss of aver 20 ganks... And please both of you note, I said I didnt have an issue with ganking and considering it myself, but it is far too easy to repair the sec status. The returns of a gank are determined by the stupidity of the victim and a diceroll. Even then, a single gank is not going to have high enough returns to pay for the tags of every character involved unless it is a particularly lucrative gank. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 19679	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:02:00 - [62] - Quote admiral root wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: No way to tell, that data isn't tracked publicly IB4 Dinsdale uses this to prove it's a conspiracy and Gevlon Goofus produces a graph to show my post was wrong. :) Pfft like either of them lets the truth get in the way of their tinfoilhattery. Nil mortifi sine lucre
Subject 4927 Your Local Service Provider 122	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:40:00 - [63] - Quote The lack of pause and/or periods in your statement make the tears extra tasty. http://subjectandfriends.wordpress.com
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 3252	Posted - 2014.07.21 01:47:00 - [64] - Quote This thread reminds me why I gank. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos
Tixx Enaka I Like Raccoons 0	Posted - 2014.07.21 01:55:00 - [65] - Quote Din' read most of thread. I play EVE because ppl can blow me up whenever. Period. Lot's of it's charm would be lost any other way. That is why I "play" (carappily) EvE. I recently bought a bunch of T1 hulls to guess what? Blow them up. When I hae some play time I'm gonna fly them into FW losec and get shot. Because that's what you do in EvE. Why would you play otherwise? I use a AF for lvl 2's. Why? Harder to gank. Faster to warp and in warp. Farther from warp in beacon. Use a cruiser do missions faster they say, no safer this way. Slower too but safer (not sure on slower really). TLDR; EvE is fine join for the right reasons
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 8048	Posted - 2014.07.21 02:26:00 - [66] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: admiral root wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: No way to tell, that data isn't tracked publicly IB4 Dinsdale uses this to prove it's a conspiracy and Gevlon Goofus produces a graph to show my post was wrong. :) Pfft like either of them lets the truth get in the way of their tinfoilhattery. Aluminum haberdashery. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 37	Posted - 2014.07.21 05:47:00 - [67] - Quote Wonder if we can push for afk ganking similar to afk hauling and mining id love to just warp to a gate and go away and do fun rl things and come back to stacks of isk EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 295	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:10:00 - [68] - Quote I'm surprised there is so much focus on sec status. It's the 30 days of kill rights that are the PITA. If the gankee sets them reasonably low, then they make it difficult to operate. I ganked mission boats for a few weeks a while back. Keeping my sec status positive was easy. The kill rights were the issue. I couldn't fly my gank ships from a trade hub to the gank system. We ended up needed out of corp haulers to get them there. The there was the issue of having the kill rights activated as you moved in on your target. The kill rights I liked were the ones that were too high to be worh anyones trouble to activate. 100mil isk kill right on a pilot in a naga just isn't worth it. The 1 isk ones were also ok. Just hop in a noob ship and have a buddy clear it. You want to hurt the gankers activities - make his kill rights available to all and then choose the sweet spot where the costs of self clearing it hurt his bottome line, but the value for someone else to activate it are just fine. The more active a ganker is, the lower the price point.
Revis Owen 10	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:01:00 - [69] - Quote Step 1: Request one more little adjustment from CCP to make elite PVP ("ganking") "more difficult". Step 2: Repeat step 1 until EVE is a theme park. That's the carebear script. Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 295	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:44:00 - [70] - Quote Revis Owen wrote: Step 1: Request one more little adjustment from CCP to make elite PVP ("ganking") "more difficult". Step 2: Repeat step 1 until EVE is a theme park. That's the carebear script. They would be dumb not to use it. The null blocks have been using it for years. CCP should (I'm being serious here) have a little faith in their game and not listen to the (fill in threat of mass exodus from the game because of..... here). Eve is a good game. Folks won't leave. When null block leadership exclaim all the folks will leave - what they actually mean is all the lambs will leave their tax reaping herd and find their own pasture. Same for HS. Folks will adapt/endure. The Monty Hall effect is what kills long running MMO. When the day finally comes where everyone has everything they want.... we'll all look around, find the game boring and leave it. More isn't better. More is the path to boring.

Alexander Eisenhower The Scope Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.07.21 16:18:00 - [71] - Quote edit
Renegade Heart Abysmal Gentlemen 152	Posted - 2014.07.21 16:24:00 - [72] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: It's the 30 days of kill rights that are the PITA. If the gankee sets them reasonably low, then they make it difficult to operate. Why not just get an alt or mate to clear them, while you are in something worthless to you?
Tengu Grib Simple Inc Simple Group 228	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:05:00 - [73] - Quote 13 nonames wrote: I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police The criminal activities of this game are the best part. They are what make Eve better than Hello Kitty Online or World of Whiners. If you want to be perfectly safe in HS, then I suggest you play a game that agrees with your desires, which is not, and never will be, Eve. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com
Bayonnefrog Hedion University Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:34:00 - [74] - Quote 13 nonames wrote: I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police lolz. You piloted an anti-tanked "fail-fit" Orca through New Order territory didn't you?
Bayonnefrog Hedion University Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:35:00 - [75] - Quote Christian Lionbate wrote: Orca All becomes clear Haaaa, quite.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 296	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:35:00 - [76] - Quote Renegade Heart wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: It's the 30 days of kill rights that are the PITA. If the gankee sets them reasonably low, then they make it difficult to operate. Why not just get an alt or mate to clear them, while you are in something worthless to you? We used a 5 or so man crew and ganked a couple of times per day. So if you had to purchase kill rights to clear them at say 25 mill / guy. That's 125 mil per mission cream puff. We were doing it to see if we could turn a profit. Weighing the cost of ships vs loot fairy blessings..... adding another 125mil per CNR would deffo make the profitability math tougher. Too low = we clear it ourselves Too high = no worries (no one will buy it) Just right = complicates business plan immensly. We used tier 3 BC to take down mission boats. If you're using a dessy to pop a miner or a lone tornado to pop a fat hauler the math changes a lot. For what we were doing - a well aimed kill right was troublesome. Not a deal breaker, but we'd have to move our price point on target fittings.
Bayonnefrog Hedion University Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:40:00 - [77] - Quote 13 nonames wrote: Haaranovor tenn wrote: People with very low sec status are shot on sight by CONCORD, and I think there's also a point where players can shoot them at will too. you rly are stupid they are not they sat on my grid and killed me well concord did nothing for a full 1 min and the fact they can glitch concord y sacking 1 ship to bring them on grid then do the attack so the second group wont show as fast as bs This is fantastic stuff. Coming soon to minerbumping.com...
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1176	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:44:00 - [78] - Quote 13 nonames wrote: I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police For your heresy against HTFU and thanks to the ever watchful eyes of inquisitors like Lily, an innocent carebear had his ship destroyed and informed you were its cause. BaddaBing Additionally, because of the level of pansification displayed in starting an entire thread on ganking when CCP has repeatedly validated it as sanctioned gameplay, the victim was summarily beheaded after an inspiring 10 second countdown in Oursulaert local, as warning to all who may spread further heresies against HTFU. BaddaBoom Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience. Talos & pod loss From: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen To: [readacted per pansification policy #324093403943093220] Hello [readacted], I just wanted to take this opportunity to help clarify the rationale behind your recent Talos detonation & POD loss. You see, carebears filled with nerf-hisec heresy and wielding petitions instead of Antimatter are polluting the EvE O forums with their wailing and gnashing of teeth. These heretics would have CCP throw baby out with bathwater by doubling-down on previous nerfs, to implement further theme-park WoW-ification modules or nerfs for the ADD rejects from said game. Your end, was sourced specifically by the heresies of '13 nonames'; please contact him directly for refund of your ship & pod loss, as a full measure of carebear altruism. If you have any questions, your inquisitor 4KICKS (and myself) stand ready to answer them, up to including you in our asshat training program so that HTFU and Kill-it-Forward can further spread throughout empire. F p.s. GOD wills it. Would you like to know more?
Bayonnefrog Hedion University Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:45:00 - [79] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: 13 nonames wrote: I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police The criminal activities of this game are the best part. They are what make Eve better than Hello Kitty Online or World of Whiners. If you want to be perfectly safe in HS, then I suggest you play a game that agrees with your desires, which is not, and never will be, Eve. Exactly. I don't understand why people don't get this. 13 nonames, you should thank them for doing that and helping you to learn how to tank your ship. While the New Order roleplaying is sometimes a bit overboard they actually are trying to help you. Because now you will adjust your play tactics and probably won't have that happen again if you fit correct and use the intel available to you both in and out of game. If you were involved in the Eve community and read blogs on it, you would discover that the New Order has been ganking Freighters/JF's in Uedama and Aufay for some time now. This is why there is no sympathy here and why (hopefully) CCP will not nerf ganking. All the tools are there for you to use. Or of course you buy a permit.
Soylent Jade New Order Logistics CODE. 144	Posted - 2014.07.21 18:30:00 - [80] - Quote 13 nonames wrote: Haaranovor tenn wrote: People with very low sec status are shot on sight by CONCORD, and I think there's also a point where players can shoot them at will too. you rly are stupid they are not they sat on my grid and killed me well concord did nothing for a full 1 min and the fact they can glitch concord y sacking 1 ship to bring them on grid then do the attack so the second group wont show as fast as bs You should really learn CONCORD mechanics before calling other people stupid and posting stupid drivel yourself. Gankers in a 0.5 have at most 25 seconds to kill you, not 1 minute. You also need to prespawn as many CONCORD ships as you have gankers. 1 CONCORD spawn means only 1 ganker gets the extra time. Since your orca was fail fit, you made their job easier. Learn to tank your ship, and don't autopilot. P.S. I hope you're not real attached to your corp. Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm surprised there is so much focus on sec status. It's the 30 days of kill rights that are the PITA. If the gankee sets them reasonably low, then they make it difficult to operate. Stay -5 or worse, and don't worry about KRs :D Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time minerbumping.com

Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 157	Posted - 2014.07.21 18:35:00 - [81] - Quote Christian Lionbate wrote: Orca All becomes clear Whenever I see a post like this, I search the OP on the killboards to see what they lost. OP: Maybe if you hadn't turned your Orca into a grossly undertanked 700mil target, you'd have been less likely to attract people looking to blow it up. I mean, seriously, swapping out a DCUII for one of those lowslot cargo expanders would have made you far harder to kill. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2328	Posted - 2014.07.21 18:41:00 - [82] - Quote 13 nonames wrote: I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police Why do people ask for such things ONLY when they have lost a ship due to this and not before?You're playing since 2011 yet this is the first time you ask for this and it won't be a coincidence that the day you made this thread you lost an orca in empire now is it? You knew about this tactic before yet had no problems with it untill you yourself fell victim to it.That is what i call being a hypo . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2328	Posted - 2014.07.21 18:44:00 - [83] - Quote Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote: a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing As someone who pirates from time to time , i am -8 again now btw , i did laugh when they said they would introduce these tags.I knew i would use them , as i have done allready once since their release , but i also felt it was a stupid idea.You're making it too easy on pirates and gankers this way. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2329	Posted - 2014.07.21 18:47:00 - [84] - Quote Andski wrote: Saar Ynier wrote: Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself... i didn't know tags were free I doubt the ''good people of eve'' actually know how much it costs to go from -9.9 to a -0 sec stat . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 242	Posted - 2014.07.21 18:53:00 - [85] - Quote 13 nonames wrote: how about we look at it this way what do you do with someone who has killed someone or damaged/destroyed there property they normally go to this thing called jail aka low sec they would not be let into regular society but in this game someone who commits a crime is treated with nothing more then a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again "... they got to this thing called jail, aka low sec ... " lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331004 - thank me later
Ned Thomas Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT 67	Posted - 2014.07.21 19:00:00 - [86] - Quote Thin tank on a big tastey industrial being flown through a well known hotspot for ganking...... My word, it was too easy for them to kill you.
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 194	Posted - 2014.07.21 19:04:00 - [87] - Quote I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2330	Posted - 2014.07.21 19:09:00 - [88] - Quote Moonlit Raid wrote: I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable. It's a game where we all play our own little mini game in , allways been that way and i LOVE EvE for that reason.That is the beauty of eve however it immediatly also is the biggest problem CCP has with it.You just have to keep an eye on every type of gamestyle being possbile without effecting the other play style too much. I think i have played out allmost every playstyle there is in eve except for ganking/incursions/wormholes and i can not remember complaining at any time that ''my playstyle'' needed some help in regards to be safer from another playstyle.I allways try to keep a reasonable look on the ways others play too and as such usually more hang towards ''nerfing'' my own playstyle then that of others. The question is though , when is one playstyle becoming too much favoured towards the other that it needs CCP to come in between and in that regard i am happy to not work at the CCP office .... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3041	Posted - 2014.07.21 19:40:00 - [89] - Quote Moonlit Raid wrote: I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable. Ccp disagrees with you. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
Vic Jefferson Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple 26	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:07:00 - [90] - Quote Gankers already have lots of risks, they just manage them better because they are aware that people like shooting at red and yellow flashy things.



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