rampant stupidity

People with very low sec status are shot on sight by CONCORD, and I think there's also a point where players can shoot them at will too.

Orca

All becomes clear

Sorry, CCP doesn't agree with you.

Maybe you are simply playing the wrong game?

In any event, Star Trek Online is thataway

Oh, by the way, can I have your stuff?

Ah, anti tanking.

OP, you deserved to lose that ship. Next time, fit a proper tank.

a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing

Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...

As no other Lords members have been through yet, I take it upon myself to make the following proclamation.

13 nonames, for your heresies against highsec, the sandbox that makes Eve the game that it is, and the principle of HTFU, the Lords Of Midnight will be adding another carebear beheading to our Kill-It-Forward queue.

You yourself will not be attacked. You and Lords of Midnight may never cross paths in your time in New Eden. Pray that, should it be otherwise, we do not meet under typical circumstances.

Instead, an innocent carebear will be destroyed through panache, guile and the game mechanics already nerfed by CCP, to prove that not only are the rules of the world reasonable, they are ignored by the people you claim to represent when it suits them.

We will punish the innocent, hypocrites though they are, for your hypocrisy, not theirs. They will know the name of the one who signed their death warrant.

May whatever deity you pray to have mercy on your immortal capsuleer soul.

Lily Shahn,
Apprentice and Cutie Pie,

Lords Of Midnight.

If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.

does this mean I can post carebear entitlement crap with sockpuppet characters and get some bears blown up

Oh baby,
You have but to ask.

We can do it together sometime!

I kind of have to agree here.

I have taken to sitting sometimes in Josameto and watching the same person in a Vexor over and over gank haulers, then the neutral alt warps to the wreck, scoops it and warps off.

Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...



Don't get me wrong, ganking is part of this game, but since these tags were introduced there's been far more smaller entities doing it.

I am actually considering creating an alt myself specifically for training drones and a Vexor and doing it myself. There's a lot of ISK to be had from it and no risk to myself.

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

Because maybe people want to play a pvp game instead of ratting and pve for weeks on end, whats the point paying a subscription for a mmo if your just going to play against npc's

i didn't know tags were free

does this mean I can post carebear entitlement crap with sockpuppet characters and get some bears blown up

Sure, just grab a ship and start the punitive action! I mean, a -6 sec char is fair game to everyone. Do grab something Amarrian for that extra judgemental flair. If you didn't want them in your hi-sec why didn't you stop them?

They're not, but only one gank pays for them tags. One gank that nullifies the sec status loss of aver 20 ganks...


And please both of you note, I said I didnt have an issue with ganking and considering it myself, but it is far too easy to repair the sec status.

Really? I did not know 1 gank pays 400mil.

Also, majority gankers are -10. They are little if at all concerned about their sec status.

how about we look at it this way what do you do with someone who has killed someone or damaged/destroyed there property they normally go to this thing called jail aka low sec they would not be let into regular society but in this game someone who commits a crime is treated with nothing more then a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

Really? I did not know 1 gank pays 400mil.

Also, majority gankers are -10. They are little if at all concerned about their sec status.

People with very low sec status are shot on sight by CONCORD, and I think there's also a point where players can shoot them at will too.

This is the person in question I have sat and watched as well as this person. Please note in game their security status. And look at what they gank.

One gank is all that pays for their tags...

And I quite agree, the real gankers are -10 security status. People like CODE. those guys I actually respect as gankers due to their ability to work with -10 sec status and against players and faction police... Not to mention they gank because its fun, not for the ISK efficiency...

NeoBob is in Goonwaffe, hence it's fairly reasonable to assume that he rats in nullsec for his sec status. If you take a closer look at his killboard you'll also see that when he dies, it's generally not to Concord, ergo he's not a suicide ganker.

In fact in the first 2 pages of his KB only one of his deaths involves Concord, so most of his kills are probably due to wardecs or manipulation of aggro mechanics.

Your assumptions are exactly that, assumptions. I have sat and watched this guy operate. He usually dies before Concord land on grid, hence the reason most of the losses only have Gate Guns on them. I know from sitting there and watching that he suicide ganks. Not due to what you are suggesting. Warps Vexor to gate. Gardes come out. Tayra or whatever jumps through. Neobob engages going criminal in the process.

As are yours

It's still much more likely that NeoBob rats for his sec status in null than buying tags, tags are an unnecessary expense when you have access to nullsec rats.

Because maybe people want to play a pvp game instead of ratting and pve for weeks on end, whats the point paying a subscription for a mmo if your just going to play against npc's

[quote=Saar Ynier]Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...

Play against npcs all you want but dont force others to do the same, this is a sandbox and people want to kill players whether it be to make a living or or just for lols, i for one refuse to do any pve because i find it pointless and a waste of my money, carebears already have protection of highsec and if they choose to take a shortcut via a lowsec ganking system then they should not moan when they are turned into game content

I have taken to sitting sometimes in Josameto and watching the same person in a Vexor over and over gank haulers, then the neutral alt warps to the wreck, scoops it and warps off.

Then once he's done for the week, billions of ISK in loot up, he goes to Jan and repairs his sec ready for the next week with tags to no cost to himself...

Don't get me wrong, ganking is part of this game, but since these tags were introduced there's been far more smaller entities doing it.

you rly are stupid they are not they sat on my grid and killed me well concord did nothing for a full 1 min and the fact they can glitch concord y sacking 1 ship to bring them on grid then do the attack so the second group wont show as fast as bs

Did I in any way tell someone how to play the game? No I did not. Perhaps if you read my posts rather that cherry pick them, you would see this.

I also state that I agree that ganking is as much a part of time game and also that I respect the gankers that play at -10 in hisec (in my opinion the proper gankers).

What I dont like, is the fact its too easy for people who just want quick ISK to gank several haulers, then run to grab tags and repair their sec status immidietly so they have no consequence (other than of course kill rights, but how many haulers use them)...

Edit: This was just a friendly debate and I was putting across the otherside of the argument, but some people cant read and decide to only reply to what they think I'm saying not to what I am actually saying. I'm out.

It's still much more likely that NeoBob rats for his sec status in null than buying tags, tags are an unnecessary expense when you have access to nullsec rats.

there is almost no restrictions on -10 pilots iv watched them drive bc/bs around hi sec like its an evening drive

Josameto - last 24 hours

Jumps: 26,115
Ship kills: 238
Chance of asploding: 0.91% (includes wardecs, awoxing, ganking, duels, etc)

We're talking about 2 jumps from Jita at the weekend - these alleged smaller entities aren't very good at ganking.

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec

how about we look at it this way what do you do with someone who has killed someone or damaged/destroyed there property they normally go to this thing called jail aka low sec they would not be let into regular society but in this game someone who commits a crime is treated with nothing more then a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

They're already nice and flashy red for anyone to shoot at, what's the problem again ?

Jumps: How many of them were T1 haulers carrying enough to be ganked.

Kills: How many of them where T1 haulers.

In the whole of New Eden: How many ganks have happened in the past 24 hours by people that aren't -5 and below because they are the people I am specifically talking about...

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

No way to tell, that data isn't tracked publicly

They're not, but only one gank pays for them tags. One gank that nullifies the sec status loss of aver 20 ganks...


And please both of you note, I said I didnt have an issue with ganking and considering it myself, but it is far too easy to repair the sec status.

IB4 Dinsdale uses this to prove it's a conspiracy and Gevlon Goofus produces a graph to show my post was wrong. :)

Pfft like either of them lets the truth get in the way of their tinfoilhattery.

Step 1: Request one more little adjustment from CCP to make elite PVP ("ganking") "more difficult".
Step 2: Repeat step 1 until EVE is a theme park.

That's the carebear script.

It's the 30 days of kill rights that are the PITA. If the gankee sets them reasonably low, then they make it difficult to operate.

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

Orca

All becomes clear

Why not just get an alt or mate to clear them, while you are in something worthless to you?

you rly are stupid they are not they sat on my grid and killed me well concord did nothing for a full 1 min and the fact they can glitch concord y sacking 1 ship to bring them on grid then do the attack so the second group wont show as fast as bs

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

The criminal activities of this game are the best part. They are what make Eve better than Hello Kitty Online or World of Whiners. If you want to be perfectly safe in HS, then I suggest you play a game that agrees with your desires, which is not, and never will be, Eve.

you rly are stupid they are not they sat on my grid and killed me well concord did nothing for a full 1 min and the fact they can glitch concord y sacking 1 ship to bring them on grid then do the attack so the second group wont show as fast as bs

I'm surprised there is so much focus on sec status. It's the 30 days of kill rights that are the PITA. If the gankee sets them reasonably low, then they make it difficult to operate.

Orca

All becomes clear

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing

i didn't know tags were free

how about we look at it this way what do you do with someone who has killed someone or damaged/destroyed there property they normally go to this thing called jail aka low sec they would not be let into regular society but in this game someone who commits a crime is treated with nothing more then a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable.

I agree with a number of posts here. That sec status should not be purchasable.

I think he's trying to state that we must first gank the gankers before they gank the gankees, then by doing so the ganked become the gankers and everyone can untwist their panties.

I doubt the ''good people of eve'' actually know how much it costs to go from -9.9 to a -0 sec stat .

I doubt the ''good people of eve'' actually know how much it costs to go from -9.9 to a -0 sec stat .

Whenever I see a post like this, I search the OP on the killboards to see what they lost.

OP: Maybe if you hadn't turned your Orca into a grossly undertanked 700mil target, you'd have been less likely to attract people looking to blow it up. I mean, seriously, swapping out a DCUII for one of those lowslot cargo expanders would have made you far harder to kill.

Ccp disagrees with you.

No ****. The reason I don't agree with it is a pilot who uses sec status to be able to move around in high sec has no vested interest in keeping it as he doesn't have to work at all to keep it or to regain it. It's a bit of a stretch in terms of the analogy, but fairly accurate, they're just bribing the police.

See my sig. They aren't "good" just because they choose to remain ignorant and refuse to defend themselves.

But yeah, that last five points is a *****. Haven't had to do it in a few months on any of my characters, but the last time I did it I got them for 10% less than Jita price and it was half of a plex all told.

I advanced society

If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.

Why do people ask for such things ONLY when they have lost a ship due to this and not before?You're playing since 2011 yet this is the first time you ask for this and it won't be a coincidence that the day you made this thread you lost an orca in empire now is it?

You knew about this tactic before yet had no problems with it untill you yourself fell victim to it.That is what i call being a hypo .

It's a game where we all play our own little mini game in , allways been that way and i LOVE EvE for that reason.That is the beauty of eve however it immediatly also is the biggest problem CCP has with it.You just have to keep an eye on every type of gamestyle being possbile without effecting the other play style too much.

I think i have played out allmost every playstyle there is in eve except for ganking/incursions/wormholes and i can not remember complaining at any time that ''my playstyle'' needed some help in regards to be safer from another playstyle.I allways try to keep a reasonable look on the ways others play too and as such usually more hang towards ''nerfing'' my own playstyle then that of others.


The question is though , when is one playstyle becoming too much favoured towards the other that it needs CCP to come in between and in that regard i am happy to not work at the CCP office ....

Decided to pop my head back in here ever so slightly, wont be staying around long.

Again, people decide to cherry pick my replies. No where did I state tags are inexpensive. Please go back and read through all of my replies and understand what I am saying before you comment.

Let me make it easy:

- I am not on about all gankers. I respect the gankers who are -5 and below and actually in a corp (not just some random NPC corp ganker that cant be wardecced (for example)), to operate and pull off ganks on people whilst moving around with faction police and players shooting you is commendable.

- I am on about the gankers who ONLY gank for profit rather than fun. The gankers that ONLY gank high value haulers.

- I am on about the people who spend all day ganking high value haulers and dont allow their sec status to drop below -4.0

- ONE gank that drops 400 mill of loot (I gave examples of these players in an earlier post) pays for them to repair their sec status that they have lost over a period of a few day. Over the period of said few days they have gone from being 0.2 to -3.9 (for arguments sake) and have ganked oh I dunno 20 ships each carring 700 - 800 million each.

- I am aware that this wont stop while people haul massive amounts in T1 haulers like idiots.

- It is far too easy for those people mentioned above to repair sec status, using only one high value gank.

- I was considering getting an alt for doing this myself because from sitting in Josemeta and watching how they do it and what they get have allowed me to see how its done. Consideration is done and my alt is created, there is far to much ISK to be had due to idiots and untanked haulers that I just had to have spme of the action. I still maintain the fact that it is far too easy for these people mentioned to repair their sec status and negate security loss however...

Anywho, most will again, skim read my post and cherry pick it to make out I am talking about something else entirely, so from now on I won't be returning to this thread. Enjoy you discussion.

Anywho, most will again, skim read my post and cherry pick it to make out I am talking about something else entirely, so from now on I won't be returning to this thread. Enjoy you discussion.

Then how do the pirates make isk? Or do you just want to run around in your officer fit ravens without any worry and making stacks of isk safely

You know that there are other 2 characte slots in an account? And a single alt with 1 million isk in a trade hub is enough to generate 2-3 billion isk per month with very little effort. More than enough to keep a pirate ongoing.


The Only problem in high sec ganking are destroyers. They are too cheap for their firepower. Make the fact that concord will kill you irrelevant.

You know that there are other 2 characte slots in an account? And a single alt with 1 million isk in a trade hub is enough to generate 2-3 billion isk per month with very little effort. More than enough to keep a pirate ongoing.


The Only problem in high sec ganking are destroyers. THey are too cheap for their firepower. Make the fact that concord will kill you irrelevant.

you rly are stupid they are not they sat on my grid and killed me well concord did nothing for a full 1 min and the fact they can glitch concord y sacking 1 ship to bring them on grid then do the attack so the second group wont show as fast as bs

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

13 nonames, for your continued heresy against HTFU and refusal to recant same, two additional innocents have been slain and advised YOU were the cause.

When your heresies stop, the carebear beheadings will stop.

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Regarding the loss of your Caracal (and Pod)
From: Tuler Furzderf
To: , [readacted per pansification rule #3409323092302]
Dearest [redacted],

I hope you're enjoying your time in EVE. Initially, my reason for rendering your ship and pod to dust was unclear. I'm taking time now to inform you of the overarching political motivations for your misfortune. For years, pilots like myself have battled against carebears who wield dev petitions like a serrated knife; cutting away the sinews that allow EVE to remain unique. I'm speaking of glorious player-created content. It is the very essence of EVE. To damage it is to rip and tear at its heart; its very soul.

I cannot allow it.

Most specifically, 13 nonames, has set the EVE forums ringing with calls for more nerfs to player created content. They are anathema, and must be brought low before the altar of HTFU. To punish them that we must flog innocents such as yourself with whips of Void S.

Because their actions led to your loss, contact 13 nonames for compensation.

Any queries regarding may be directed to myself or Feyd Rautha Harkonnen.

Most sincerely,

Tuler Furzderf

"And lo, witness as I have spread joy to yet another in need of salvation."

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Re: the recent loss of your Hurricane Fleet Issue
From: Geyene
Sent: 2014.07.22 04:19
To: [redacted per pansification policy #42309320320],

Hello [redacted],

I hope this message finds you well. I'm writing today in re: Kill: [redacted] (Hurricane Fleet Issue) in Eglennaert . Rest assured, the rapid and involuntary deconstruction of your Fleet Cane was in no way personal - I happen to love Hurricanes, as I think they look like christmas trees with guns on them, which is pretty sweet. Your ship was destroyed as part of our Kill It Forward program, where inane calls for hisec nerfification and other assorted violations of HTFU on the eve-o forums are met with a pledge to blow up a ship in hisec. And that ship was your ship!

Right now, you may be saying 'Hey, I didn't call for hisec nerfs, why blow up my ship?' The fact is, you were caught in the crossfire of a battle for the very soul of the game we all love. You can thank 13 nonames , as it was his eve-o forum boobery which inspired the return of your Fleet Cane to its constituent particles.

Questions? Comments? Please contact myself or Feyd Rautha Harkonnen , our fearless leader.

Smooches,

Geyene

P.S. If it looks like what we do is super fun, that's because it is. If you're interested, hit us up.

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this is just magical, simply magically, today you solely win the internet \o/ where do we sign up for this program?

See my sig. They aren't "good" just because they choose to remain ignorant and refuse to defend themselves.

But yeah, that last five points is a *****. Haven't had to do it in a few months on any of my characters, but the last time I did it I got them for 10% less than Jita price and it was half of a plex all told.

its a shame they never do that for industrialist

i have asked for this long b4 that loss

Yup they never changed the tank of mining ships BIG TIME nor did they recently change the ability to strengthen your tank for freighters.

Actually, the freighter changes were orchestrated by the ganker cartels. The proof is in any thread in the past however many years where fittable freighters was suggested and the gankers were the ones warning that it would result in silly people fitting for max cargo, only to be surprised when they went boom. Our posts were actually coded messages to CCP telling them to make it happen. Unfortunately, the decoder rings kept getting lost in the mail until James 315 took one to fanfest and handed it to Hilmar personally.

The same techniques were also used in the push for being able to close and restart a corp to drop a wardec.

Point me to that post then , i assume you DO know that every post you make on the forums is still viewable and as i am OBVIOUSLY a dumb **** who can't read as i haven't found any post of you asking for a such a thing since you started posting in 2011 prove me wrong not by stating i am but by linking the post itself.

destroyers are so cheap to alloy lower sp players to have a decent dps ship to compete against bigger players. if the 2 slots is the case and you can make 2-3billion a month from 1 million isk then why isnt everyone trading and why is this guy running around in an orca when he could just sit in station and make stacks of isk, sorry im not one for sitting docked adjusting buy orders every 10mins to keep up with all the competition and id also love to hear how you make those numbers from a million isk as i have a trading alt and it aint happening,

i like shooting people and if i can make isk from shooting people then im happy to keep shooting people, pirates are called pirates for a reason, they pirate stuff, steal things, kill people, hijack ships sitting docked trading isnt being a pirate

Because most people are too dumb to try. Also I should have written 1 Million SP character, for some reason I wrote Isk, probably due to reflex of almost all "millions"in eve being isk. On how much isk you need? start with half a bil and you can do it.

All the really rich people in eve , don't leave the main trade hub stations with their alts. If you have a pirate main it only logical to train one of your alts into an income source. If you cannot think on that, then it is your problem, not eve's.


I know why destroyers exist, but they do create some fine line between reasonable high sec ganking and just randomly making concord irrelevant.

If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.

its easier to "eek out a living" in nullsec. since most of it is blue or under some stupid "dont shoot my space pixels" agreement.

I know why destroyers exist, but they do create some fine line between reasonable high sec ganking and just randomly making concord irrelevant.

There is no such thing as "unreasonable" highsec ganking anyway. An action taken within the boundaries of the game's rules is legitimate by default.

Suggesting anything less is suggesting that people have the right to abdicate their own self defense to the mindless NPCs. In which case why in the **** are you playing an MMO in the first place.

While I don't necessarily agree with OP, some things about criminals are kinda dumb. Like, "Hey, we know you're a criminal and we will shoot you on sight, but you can dock in our station! Come on in!"

In any event, it's obvious CCP likes ganking and general mischief. If not, it'd be gone. So they wouldn't want to make it any harder to do.

I agree. While I don't think CCP should do anymore to punish gankers. I think there needs to be more potential for players to punish them. It is dumb that an outlaw who is shot on sight can dock in station. I think what stations they can dock in should be determined by their security status. -1 security status and you can only dock in a 9.0 station. -2=8.0, etc. This wouldn't prevent them from hunting in highsec, but it would prevent them from using stations to hide. If they need supplies, they can still go to lowsec for them or they can have an alt bring them supplies.

Gankers are added content. Why not take advantage of that and let people try and hunt them down.

I agree. While I don't think CCP should do anymore to punish gankers. I think there needs to be more potential for players to punish them. It is dumb that an outlaw who is shot on sight can dock in station. I think what stations they can dock in should be determined by their security status. -1 security status and you can only dock in a 9.0 station. -2=8.0, etc. This wouldn't prevent them from hunting in highsec, but it would prevent them from using stations to hide. If they need supplies, they can still go to lowsec for them or they can have an alt bring them supplies.

Gankers are added content. Why not take advantage of that and let people try and hunt them down.

Instead, how about we give negative sec status players some incentive to undock?

Remove facpo, that way neg sec status players are not being constantly chased around by the magic space police. That's the reason the prospective white knights can't get anything done by the way, because we can't have a margin for error thanks to the fact that the faction police can chase us down faster than a player ever will.

You want to open up player interaction? Then remove the NPCs who get in the way.

They're shot on sight by faction police, not Concord - and it depends how low their sec status is as to whether they'll be shot in a particular system.

Players can shoot anyone with -5 as they're outlaws.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions

Unless they are in Concord space. Then Concord is the faction police.

Restricted Systems

Players that have low security status provoke a police drone response when going into systems with a high security status. The thresholds for provoking a police drone response are follows:

1.0: -2.0 and lower.
0.9: -2.5 and lower.
0.8: -3.0 and lower.
0.7: -3.5 and lower.
0.6: -4.0 and lower.
0.5: -4.5 and lower.
0.0-0.4: No restrictions.

Please note that the systems in the Sanctum constellation in Genesis are claimed by Interbus and CONCORD, thus the faction police are CONCORD. Entering any system in this constellation, while having a security status below the level stated above, will provoke a CONCORD response, similar to the response. Gates will be locked down to prevent you from escaping the system and you will be webbed, scrammed and your ship destroyed.

Simple solution: Boot them from Tranquility, when the gankers try to log back in they are redirected to random 100+ page threadslides to review the damage they do to like....5 people and stuff.

There is some pretty basic math that will keep folks from being ganked for profit... Nothing can protect you from wacked out role players (CODE) that do it for.... well I'm not really sure what goes through their noggins.

a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

Instead, how about we give negative sec status players some incentive to undock?

Remove facpo, that way neg sec status players are not being constantly chased around by the magic space police. That's the reason the prospective white knights can't get anything done by the way, because we can't have a margin for error thanks to the fact that the faction police can chase us down faster than a player ever will.

You want to open up player interaction? Then remove the NPCs who get in the way.

So you are saying that you can't hang out at a moon, planet, or belt? Or maybe a safe spot? The reason criminals are at a station is safety. Unfortunately all they would probably do if they couldn't dock is probably log out as soon as any timers were done.

I'm saying that if people want to complain about the "good guys" not getting a piece of the action, then they need to campaign to have the NPCs stop doing their work for them.

In highsec, the good guys are the ones blowing people up.

OP: So you would like to see CCP make life harder for outlaw gankers in highsec. Let me remind you how difficult life is for them already: These people live in highsec as outlaws. I have never been in that situation yet, but I can fully imagine how annoying it can be .They're already constantly being chased by the faction police. They cannot stay at a given place for too long, hence the necessity to move around a.s.a.p, from bookmark to bookmark at all times before reaching the desired destination or target. Whatever neurosis that drives the ganker to commit his crime is compounded, magnified by flight, by the sounds of that faction police spawn at his heels. This results in constant uneasiness, which becomes paranoia, and paranoia ultimately becomes psychosis. In addition to that, they can be tackled by a white knight at a stargate anytime. But generally speaking, the key to gankers success is that they're willing to die, while most anti-gankers aren't.

I am sorry for your recent loss. CCP has already given you the tools to avoid it. Your Orca wasn't the tankiest and maybe you were even afk and your shield hardeners were probably not on. If you had paid attention, you could notice their warp-in standing on top of you and have enough time to even warp away (assuming their warp-in wasn't clever enough to bump you).

Highsec isn't 100% safe and it's up to You to protect your assets, not CCP.

Dude. Most gankers hide in station all day.

Most gankers I know spend 15 minutes at a time in stations.

Dude. Most gankers hide in station all day.

Get your facts straight. Actual OUTLAWS in highsec are extremely rare.

Dont compare these noobish idiots from code and all these wannabe tough gankers
who are nothing more than carebears,
with people who actually play and not sit docked until an alt finds a target.


You are insulting actually skilled players.
Players who actually take pride in being -10
and who aren't afraid of others.


Thanks.

Or a MWO match.

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

Meh.

Hawken is better.

As is War Thunder.

I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police

people complain about losing their **** in highsec and they claim that it is a stupid mechanic and should be prevented more easily.

Although I would agree that ganking is broken in highsec, I would not agree for the same reason as most QQers do. The problem is that the ganker is practically immune. He loses his ship, and has now popped your industrial with a load of expensive crap in it. The KM is used up, and now the dude is free. These gankers can often operate with total impunity which is the true problem. Why? because hunting a ganker, AWOXing them, fighting them, is not worth the time. What does not need to be buffed are concord response times, ship hp values, security status requirements for highsec. What we need is a better system that makes ganking less unilateral. We need an improved bounty system, and a better way to fight our own battles.

Suggestions:

Kill rights put the offender and victim in limited engagement instead of making the offender a suspect. However, they can be used up to a certain number of times, like 3 or 4 times for example, before they expire.

Perhaps it is time to fix the bounty system. I think a bounty should always be a 100% payout for the kill, or at least like 50% or something. But 20% of a ship's value? now some dude with 1b bounty flying around in an atron isn't worth anybody's time. "but then people with bounties will get ganked!" most will say. But being hunted is the whole point of a bounty in the first place.

It's only fair that criminals should be guaranteed less safety in New Eden. At the current moment, gankers are much like miners. They just sit there and wait around, and do whatever it is they do in hopes that nobody has the balls to stop them.

What i'm ultimately saying is that gankers should be able to gank people, but people should be able to actively counter them or get back at them. The whole point of EVE is to create a sandbox where people can gank others as they wish and are given the tools to do so, but where people can also have the tools to respond. At the current moment, unfortunately, only the former statement is true. As is the usual improvement for conditions like this in EVE, providing players with more tools instead of balancing will work wonders. Pissed off carebears will still get ganked and still rage, and ganking will be as easy as it is now. Meanwhile, others will still get ganked, but will in turn actually do something about it, causing this "emergent gameplay" which everyone gets so excited about.


tl;dr: don't nerf ganking or buff highsec carebearing. Instead make it more fun for both parties and those who will try to stop the opposing party can do so in a balanced manner.

I only agree with a couple things in this thread. On grid CONCORD should absolutely agress criminals below a certain sec status, CONCORD response/kill time should be decreased and criminals below a certain sec status should not be able to dock at race controlled staions in high-sec; for example, Caldari Stations in Jita. Ganking should still be a part of the game and criminals, no matter their sec status, should still be allowed in high-sec and should still be a free target for anyone.

1. Faction Police already agress gankers who sit in one spot for more than a few seconds, even at safe spots. And thats before we even get mixed into the fold as capsuleers who can shoot them freely too.
2. If they have no agression timer than they can dock, it makes no sense that in NPC space you cant dock because of your security status, this isnt Null sec where you can pick and choose who docks in your station.
3. CONCORD will shoot -5 and lower players in the cluster that they hold sovereignty over, nowhere else. CONCORD is retribution not protection and always has been high sec will never be 100% safe. Protect your own assests its not CCP's job to do it for you.
4. at least you got a point for the ganking should still be allowed bit, but not much else :/

I'm glad that you see I get a point, but you seem to have entirely missed mine. ON GRID Concord should agress criminals with a certain sec status or below. That means CONCORD doesn't appear for every criminal that comes into high-sec, it means that if CONCORD ship are still in space (on a gate after a recent gank for instance), they agress the criminal along with willing players/faction police. Again, there would be a particularly low sec status requirement for this to happen, this isn't for every single criminal. As it stands now, criminals have almost un-opposed access to high-sec in regards to faction police. They're an absolute joke.

As for docking, you would need to be an enemy of the Race that controls the high-sec area and only be barred from docking at their stations if you have a particularly low sec status. You would of course still have access to stations not directly owned by enemy factions, and there are plenty of those.

Not a single thing in my above post would make high-sec even close to 100% safe, as is fair and suitable.

You're exaggerating. Most gates are clear of Concord most of the time. You again seem to be looking past the fact that I said you would need a very low sec status for Concord to agress you on sight.

How is spawning Concord in belts exploiting anything? It would just mean you can't gank miners ALL THE TIME. You SHOULD need to wait for them to despawn or bugger off. Should it ever be a real problem, I'm sure CCP would declare it a bannable exploit like they've done with circumventing Concord in the past.

No, he's putting two and two together. CONCORD's most found location is on gates, and your suggestion is just a hidden attempt at the "lock all criminals out of highsec because I shouldn't have to be at my keyboard!" argument.

How about no? We have every right to live there, and play the same game you play. If you don't like it, here's a novel concept:

SHOOT US. Most of us are free to shoot at, without even having to lower your safeties first.

Grow a freaking pair, and do something about it instead of complaining.



It already is a bannable exploit to pre-summon CONCORD in your own defense.

It should not be turned into a viable tactic because you freaking people don't want to be at your keyboards or be aligned.

Oh, and you're missing something about how EVE works. Yes, I should be able to gank miners "ALL THE TIME". That is, if they are stupid enough to not watch local, d scan, and leave grid when five neg tens jump into the system.

I should be able to gank miners any and every time they are fool enough to ignore defending themselves.

So what you're saying is you shouldn't be bothered to check gates and belts for Concord ships before you jump willy nilly into any system you want to get that miner that you feel you should be able to gank whenever you want? You probably already check the gates, but now checking for Concord is too much for you? Yet other players should be bothered to shoot you if they want something done about you? No one is complaining at all; these are all ideas and suggestions, and your attitude along with others is a perfect example of what is fundamentally wrong with EVE. It's not the fact that it's hard or complex or there are lots of griefers, it the fact that so many players are completely shut off from valid suggestions to improve the game. Everyone is so stubborn simply because what they believe is different from what is suggested, and nothing more. If the playerbase continues to be so harshly opposed to new ideas that could potentially bring in more subs, EVE WILL die.

So what you're saying is you shouldn't be bothered to check gates and belts for Concord ships before you jump willy nilly into any system you want to get that miner that you feel you should be able to gank whenever you want? You probably already check the gates, but now checking for Concord is too much for you?

Yet other players should be bothered to shoot you if they want something done about you?

No one is complaining at all; these are all ideas and suggestions, and your attitude along with others is a perfect example of what is fundamentally wrong with EVE. It's not the fact that it's hard or complex or there are lots of griefers, it the fact that so many players are completely shut off from valid suggestions to improve the game.

Everyone is so stubborn simply because what they believe is different from what is suggested, and nothing more.

If the playerbase continues to be so harshly opposed to new ideas that could potentially bring in more subs, EVE WILL die.

So what you're saying is you shouldn't be bothered to check gates and belts for Concord ships before you jump willy nilly into any system you want to get that miner that you feel you should be able to gank whenever you want?

It's not the fact that it's hard or complex or there are lots of griefers, it the fact that so many players are completely shut off from valid suggestions to improve the game.

Everyone is so stubborn simply because what they believe is different from what is suggested, and nothing more. If the playerbase continues to be so harshly opposed to new ideas that could potentially bring in more subs, EVE WILL die.

You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?

To be perfectly honest, I would rather let the servers go cold right now than see the game turn into Trammel.

I am, when you get right down to it, a refugee of Ultima Online after all.

So, by all means continue to bluster about how the game will die if your own personal niche isn't catered to. The rest of us know it for what it is, entitlement.

You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?

You are opposed to every single thing that is suggested. Every move CPP makes, you oppose it. Every time someone suggests something, you oppose it. How arrogant will you be when your precious griefer haven has it's servers shut down due to lack of income?

You have no right to play a single game on PC if you would rather see a game shut down than draw more players. At the very least, I hope you can see the hypocrisy in your post. Enjoy killing EVE.

What is a "griefer haven?" If you mean High Sec, that will never happen because Low, Null and W-space are on the same servers.

It sounds like you're projecting. Ask yourself: Would I rather see Eve go away if gankers aren't stopped? If the answer is yes, you're delaying your eventual split from New Eden. Do everyone a favor and just stop playing Eve. If the answer is no, come up with a way to organize your fellows and step up to "fix" what is "broken" .... omg you might have to create content.

I'm not a CODE. guy ... and I don't imagine I'd like being ganked either but I do support their shenanigans because guess what? They make me look over my shoulder because loss matters. If it didn't, you wouldn't be going of the rails about gankers, CONCORD and a dying Eve. Be the villain, be the white knight.. just be something.

Carebears are passive; that's the real problem. They allow things to happen to them instead of imparting their will upon others.

The potential for change that you could bring to the game could be larger than CODE. if you do it right. Think about that. You could be the "actual savior of high sec" ... because according to you James315 and his merry band are toxic to the Eve community. They disagree with you just as you disagree with them ... you have a freaking spaceship!! Put it to use.

How you can miss this opportunity to make a change is beyond me.

I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.

Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible.

They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.

I've not once mentioned CODE this entire thread, so I'll ignore all that.

I'm not trying to stop gankers, so I'll ignore that part too.

I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.

Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible. Yet look how completely out of proportion it's been blown. This is exactly why the "gankers" shouldn't be "in charge" of the game, so to speak. They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.

I'm pointing out that the "gankers" are just as self-entitled and whiny as the "carebears", only their arguments are more skewed towards emotion and preventing EVE from growing while "carebears" tend suggest more logical ideas.

Take the on grid CONCORD shooting extremely low sec status outlaws. That is COMPLETELY feasible.Yet look how completely out of proportion it's been blown.

This is exactly why the "gankers" shouldn't be "in charge" of the game, so to speak. They completely lack the ability to see potential and attempt to derail suggestions with bullying or emotional tangents.

... does fighting Faction Navy ships ever work out for the criminal??

Nope their arguments are skewed towards keeping Eve from becoming just another MMO/ WoW in space. Most MMO's die because they try to be WoW, CCP hasn't made that mistake, and hopefully they never will.

How is it completely feasible? The Faction Navy* would be a much better choice for shooting extremely low sec status characters, in fact that's what they already do, they can be fought, you can have a long running gunfight and chase with them, which as it should be. Concord, on the other hand, are omnipotent, they can't be fought, they can't be outrun, in short it would be completely overpowered if Concord were to do what the Faction Navies already do.

The same can be said for carebears , if anything they're worse because they want CCP to do stuff for them because they can't be arsed to do it for themselves.

*In certain systems, Concord are the Faction Navy, they're OP as hell