1st Offense - Gankers market price ship value is given to gankee as compensation.
2nd Offense - compensation plus "jail time" (two hours of logged in time where no skill point increase occurs and the character is stuck in a penal station)
3rd Offense - compensation + 3 hours jail time.

I have a better idea for those who want to RP as criminals. Its more immersive, and adds a level of realism to the game. Actually create a punishment system instead of sec status loss (which is lame because -10 is like an award).

1st Offense - Gankers market price ship value is given to gankee as compensation.
2nd Offense - compensation plus "jail time" (two hours of logged in time where no skill point increase occurs and the character is stuck in a penal station)
3rd Offense - compensation + 3 hours jail time.

So again, someone is asking for game mechanics to dish out the punishment. Again, the measures will have a more severe effect on newbies since multi-accounting gankers will be much more efficient at circumventing these measures.

The skill point freeze is ridiculous to begin with. First of all: gank alts are mostly specialized chars trained for flying specific fits and after they reach their goals they don't do much training anymore. Second: I'd just switch my training to another char b4 ganking. But you're prolly gonna suggest the skill training stop should be 'account wide' or something like that now...

I'm not asking for ganking to stop by any means, I would just have more respect for it if the ganker had to actually put some forethought into it.

I'll keep saying this: ganking requires a hell of a lot more effort than mining, missioning or other favorite carebear pass times. You're just like every other whiner about ganking: "No, ganking should be viable! But we just need one more nerf cuz it's really too easy and profitable now! Just ONE more nerf, I swear!".

As for ganking noobs: good, we need more of that, not less, teach them to lose ships and how to avoid losing them while they are young lest they turn in to whiny little bitches

[quote=Trixie Lawless]1st Offense - Gankers market price ship value is given to gankee as compensation.
2nd Offense - compensation plus "jail time" (two hours of logged in time where no skill point increase occurs and the character is stuck in a penal station)
3rd Offense - compensation + 3 hours jail time.

FALCON PUNCH!

That is all.

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If we were to drink the koolaid here and agree. Then for the sake of balance, once you've passed the 3 month date then everyone must leave hisec.

The fact that the majority of players are in hisec is reflective of it being too easy to eek out a living there. So as a result the gankers move to where the herds are.

Push the fish out of the barrel and people won't have to come there to shoot them. And as a side effect you get stronger bigger fish and better fishermen to catch them.

And I'll keep saying this...pressing the undock button, flying to the asteroid belt, clicking approach and pressing F1 to pop a venture in two cycles and then docking back up after waiting a bit at an unaligned safe spot takes no more effort then mining or running missions.

Its like some of you who want to only grief others just don't understand how business works. Star Citizen is not too far off and WoW is getting ready to drop a new expansion (lol @ WoW all you want, I do), and the trend in the gaming industry is for a gentle ease into player vs player combat.... Not getting ganked by more experienced players in the first week of play. Just pay attention to rookie chat sometime and count how many potential customer say "effe it, I'm out" when they have been ganked two days into the game and lost most of their assets. I understand the "it's Eve", but if this game doesn't find a way to better transition toons into actually being able to defend themselves, then new games coming out (especially Star Citizen) is going to take a huge chunk out if its player base.

Hate carebears all you want, they make up the large part of the gaming community and pay the bills. And at that I'm done in this thread. No point in trying to talk sense or have a logical discussion on this topic anymore.

Also, LOL @ people who think star citizen is going to be a forgiving environment. It will be the cut throatness of EVE with no CONCORD.

If all the highsecers moved to 0.0, you current Nullsec Alliances would be woefully outnumbered and could can and would kiss your SoV goodbye.

Haha nope. If all the highseccers moved to nullsec all that would happen is that Eve would hit the news again for another massive battle wholesale slaughter.

Most highsec players can't find their own backsides with both hands, detailed instructions and a map. I'm a highseccer myself, and watching some of my fellow highsec players trying to organise anything at all is like watching someone try to herd cats. Prime example: the anti ganking brigade, there's very few of them that can do anything other than lose terribly fitted ships, claim credit for Concord kills and talk crap.

The only really organised groups in highsec are the ones who understand the game mechanics, who're usually the ones the carebears spend all their time complaining about.

I laughed so hard at this.

So you know, The most ruthless PvPers are not found in 0.0 or Lowsec. They are found in highsec. These are the guys that get inside your alliance and break it apart from within. Steal all your gear and loots, and consistently sabotage your fleet ops and Awox your corp members.

Highsec PvPers are not in it for a shiny killboard, they want you to be so buthurt that you want to kill yourself in real life, and they love to feed off your pain. Your "Real" pain.

0.0 PvPers are like kittens compared to the majority of Highsec PvPers. It's a whole nother game.

I'll put it plainly because right now theres a pretty big misconception about HighSec Gankers and the people who do PVP in highsec compared to low or null.

I have more than a few alts, like many people who have played this game for longer than a year. What i do with my alts is my choice and does not reflect on me as a person. Each alt does something for a reason, I joined CODE. because i believe with all my heart that what We are doing is right. And it is changing the face of highsec slowly but surely. Not to mention its a lot of fun to hit a timer everytime you go to gank and see if you can beat the clock and get your kill and we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.

To the people who think we are just a bunch of griefers out to get people to inflict bodily harm outside of the game, YOU are the sick and depraved ones. When we gank if someone threatens that kind of action a part of the RP Shroud comes off and we talk the person down from that spot, anything else would be the same as being guilty for the crime. We aren't just out to get people to do those kinds of things, though on more than a few occasions people quit over what we do which is just the reaping of the crop field only the good crop makes the cut the rest gets dumped and ground up ( hehehe Empire biomass pun ).

If you are in that kind of position I have heard of the "Broadcast For Reps" Foundation which helps players in those kinds of spots, if you need help there are always people who can give it, after-all we are people too, Regardless of what the propoganda would paint us as.

I'll put it plainly because right now theres a pretty big misconception about HighSec Gankers and the people who do PVP in highsec compared to low or null.

I have more than a few alts, like many people who have played this game for longer than a year. What i do with my alts is my choice and does not reflect on me as a person. Each alt does something for a reason, I joined CODE. because i believe with all my heart that what We are doing is right. And it is changing the face of highsec slowly but surely. Not to mention its a lot of fun to hit a timer everytime you go to gank and see if you can beat the clock and get your kill and we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.

To the people who think we are just a bunch of griefers out to get people to inflict bodily harm outside of the game, YOU are the sick and depraved ones. When we gank if someone threatens that kind of action a part of the RP Shroud comes off and we talk the person down from that spot, anything else would be the same as being guilty for the crime. We aren't just out to get people to do those kinds of things, though on more than a few occasions people quit over what we do which is just the reaping of the crop field only the good crop makes the cut the rest gets dumped and ground up ( hehehe Empire biomass pun ).

If you are in that kind of position I have heard of the "Broadcast For Reps" Foundation which helps players in those kinds of spots, if you need help there are always people who can give it, after-all we are people too, Regardless of what the propoganda would paint us as.

I kind of have to agree here.

Highsec PvPers are not in it for a shiny killboard, they want you to be so buthurt that you want to kill yourself in real life, and they love to feed off your pain. Your "Real" pain.

I don't think this is true at all. I've played with and against some nasty lowsec and highsec PVP'ers in Eve and they're awesome people in RL.

Eve is just a game... It is not real life. You're not in a real ship flying through space. It's a program on a computer.

If you're having trouble separating real life from a video game stop and get help immediately! Please don't harm yourself or someone else! No pixel in any game is worth someone getting hurt in real life.

we provide content for people in high sec everywhere from the miners and haulers to the white knights themselves.

^ Confirming this as a "white knight" myself. I clearly see your contribution to Highsec and it's great because you create content for me, and at the same time, our presence creates content for you, too:

There were times when, while protecting miners at a belt in a Falcon, I clearly realized that those miners didn't even deserve such protection, because they were AFK and protecting them seemed more and more like 'rewarding AFK laziness'.

But then I remembered, it's not about protecting them only, but also creating fun content for myself and for gankers too. I mean, I remember waiting for hours (yes, that's how anti-ganking is), refreshing D-Scan approx. every 5 seconds, and then suddenly noticing a local spike followed by this. Imagine the sensation a patient and bored anti-ganker can get at that moment. It's even better if he manages to completely shut down about 7-8 of those Catalysts with Hypnos Ion Field ECM I and prevent the gank. I experienced those unforgettable moments many times and enjoyed every second of it.
So yes, keep it up. You are making Highsec more interesting and 'alive'.

It's hard to tolerate all that mass of drama balancing between real-life threats and role-play (including the "New Order"s creepy RP exaggeration, sorry), which is sometimes enough reason take a break from highsec (). We should play this great game to have fun, not to send insults and humiliations in local and online blogs or real life threats in EVE mails.

Wow this says it all.. Please please please read that blog if you haul, mine or whatever. Make yourself a "hard target".