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SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 05/07/2006 21:36:13
Ok I currently have 23mil SP and fly exclusively minnie. I have only 280k in industry so im not a carebear. Today I redid my skill plan around getting a full t2 kit on the phoon and 2 side skills tossed in for random stuff.
Skill Plan for SengH
1: Scout Drone Operation V
2: Amarr Drone Specialization I
3: Gallente Drone Specialization I
4: Caldari Drone Specialization I
5: Minmatar Drone Specialization I
6: Gallente Drone Specialization II
7: Amarr Drone Specialization II
8: Minmatar Drone Specialization II
9: Caldari Drone Specialization II
10: Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV
11: Sharpshooter V
12: Rapid Firing V
13: Surgical Strike IV
14: Repair Systems IV
15: Repair Systems V
16: Energy Grid Upgrades V
17: Energy Management V
18: Energy Pulse Weapons III
19: Energy Pulse Weapons IV
20: Energy Systems Operation V
21: Shield Compensation IV
22: Shield Compensation V
23: Shield Management V
24: Shield Upgrades V
25: Large Artillery Specialization I
26: Large Artillery Specialization II
27: Large Artillery Specialization III
28: Large Artillery Specialization IV
29: Large Autocannon Specialization I
30: Large Autocannon Specialization II
31: Large Autocannon Specialization III
32: Large Autocannon Specialization IV
33: Guided Missile Precision III
34: Guided Missile Precision IV
35: Missile Bombardment IV
36: Missile Projection IV
37: Rapid Launch IV
38: Target Navigation Prediction III
39: Target Navigation Prediction IV
40: Warhead Upgrades III
41: Warhead Upgrades IV
42: Torpedoes IV
43: Torpedoes V
44: Navigation V
45: Evasive Maneuvering V
46: Minmatar Battleship V
47: Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
48: Drone Durability III
49: Drone Durability IV
50: Drone Interfacing III
51: Drone Interfacing IV
52: Drone Interfacing V
53: Amarr Drone Specialization III
54: Amarr Drone Specialization IV
55: Caldari Drone Specialization III
56: Caldari Drone Specialization IV
57: Combat Drone Operation III
58: Combat Drone Operation IV
59: Drone Navigation III
60: Drone Navigation IV
61: Drone Sharpshooting III
62: Drone Sharpshooting IV
63: Gallente Drone Specialization III
64: Gallente Drone Specialization IV
65: Heavy Drone Operation IV
66: Heavy Drone Operation V
67: Minmatar Drone Specialization III
68: Minmatar Drone Specialization IV
69: Cruise Missiles IV
70: Cruise Missiles V
71: Cruise Missile Specialization I
72: Cruise Missile Specialization II
73: Cruise Missile Specialization III
74: Cruise Missile Specialization IV
75: Torpedo Specialization I
76: Torpedo Specialization II
77: Torpedo Specialization III
78: Torpedo Specialization IV
79: Energy Emission Systems IV
80: High Speed Maneuvering IV
80 skills; Total time: 343 days, 18 hours, 59 minutes, 25 seconds
Heck i can be in a effective dreadnought with siege mode and supplementary skills in under half the time it'll take to get a T2 phoon.
For a Tier 1 BS... this is pretty fubared.
Edit: On the other hand I doubt my corp will let me fly any ship other than a battlecruiser till flagships are released.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:37:00 -
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Do you really need smartbombs? 
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:41:00 -
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 Originally by: HippoKing
Do you really need smartbombs?
sadly every time ive thought about fitting them and then went naahh it'll be ok. I run into close range intys :P.
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Heck i can be in a effective dreadnought with siege mode and supplementary skills in under half the time it'll take to get a T2 phoon.
Not a Naglafar.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:42:00 -
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You are quite clearly, whats the word im looking for here.
Ummmmmmmmmmm.
Oh yeah.
INSANE.
U seem to have listed evert engineerinf skill, drone spec, nav skill, in fact, pretty much ALL OF THEM.
To have a t2 loadout u need heavy drones 5, torps 5, whatever u need for t2 guns, and thats it.
U seem to have decided u need lvl5 in absolutely every skill that has any effect on ur ship.
No wonder u came up with a list that big.
I mean, uve listed energy pulse weapons in there. 4 siege 2's, 4 Auto 2's, thats ur high slots. Just where exactly are u planning to put those smart bombs?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:47:00 -
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I can't remember who said it, but don't fly the Phoon until you can fly the Nalfgar :P
I've just got T2 torps and T2 drones to do - all the other skills are already trained. Fortunarly torps 5 is needed for the dread :).
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
- In Rust We Trust -
Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine?
LOL -Suvetar |
SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 05/07/2006 21:47:42
Originally by: fkingfurious
You are quite clearly, whats the word im looking for here.
Ummmmmmmmmmm.
Oh yeah.
INSANE.
U seem to have listed evert engineerinf skill, drone spec, nav skill, in fact, pretty much ALL OF THEM.
To have a t2 loadout u need heavy drones 5, torps 5, whatever u need for t2 guns, and thats it.
U seem to have decided u need lvl5 in absolutely every skill that has any effect on ur ship.
No wonder u came up with a list that big.
I mean, uve listed energy pulse weapons in there. 4 siege 2's, 4 Auto 2's, thats ur high slots. Just where exactly are u planning to put those smart bombs?
theres the 2xnos 2xsmartie setup 4xAC that I use sometimes. Works decently well and the smarties make pods go a nice squish. Engineering skills are needed cus of the insanely ****ty cap on minnie ships. The shield skills are for my claymore as i need to top that out at some point.
Edit: Also cruise/torps are depending on situation. For anti-bs work you'd go with torps but otherwise you'd use precision cruise for everything else.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:52:00 -
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Most of the skills you list aren't Typhoon specific and even then many of them are certainly not necessary - so what exactly is your point
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
Most of the skills you list aren't Typhoon specific and even then many of them are certainly not necessary - so what exactly is your point
The point is it's a hybrid ship that needs good skills in 3 combat trees to be effective.
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
- In Rust We Trust -
Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine?
LOL -Suvetar |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:56:00 -
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I still think shield compensation 5 is a bit above and beyond the call of duty 
Has anyone ever shield tanked a typhoon in its current state?
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 05/07/2006 21:36:13
Ok I currently have 23mil SP and fly exclusively minnie. I have only 280k in industry so im not a carebear. Today I redid my skill plan around getting a full t2 kit on the phoon and 2 side skills tossed in for random stuff.
Skill Plan for SengH
stuff
80 skills; Total time: 343 days, 18 hours, 59 minutes, 25 seconds
Heck i can be in a effective dreadnought with siege mode and supplementary skills in under half the time it'll take to get a T2 phoon.
For a Tier 1 BS... this is pretty fubared.
Edit: On the other hand I doubt my corp will let me fly any ship other than a battlecruiser till flagships are released.
You say you have 23M SP exclusively in minmatar, yet have all that stuff left to train? Whre the heck did you waste your SP? I have 10 mil SP spread out over all 4 races, yet I already have like half the stuff in that list...
Not to mention a lot of the lvl5 skills are NOT neccessary to effectively fly a T2 Typhoon.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 05/07/2006 21:58:53
im happy that i have all the skills already trained apart from the dronespecs. You dont need amarr and caldari imo. T2 ogres + T2 explosive lights / meds do the trick well enough.
As sarmaul said fly the nag before you fly the phoon. The tempest is still king in many aspects and requires alot less skills.
Oh and you dont need the shieldstuff. Youll never shieldtank your phoon to justify all those lvl 5 skills, just go lvl 3-4 and save time.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.05 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
You say you have 23M SP exclusively in minmatar, yet have all that stuff left to train? Whre the heck did you waste your SP? I have 10 mil SP spread out over all 4 races, yet I already have like half the stuff in that list...
Not to mention a lot of the lvl5 skills are NOT neccessary to effectively fly a T2 Typhoon.
He's leadership specced.
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS
- In Rust We Trust -
Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine?
LOL -Suvetar |
SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 05/07/2006 22:02:03
Originally by: HippoKing
I still think shield compensation 5 is a bit above and beyond the call of duty
Has anyone ever shield tanked a typhoon in its current state?
As I said, thats for the claymore... I'm not gonna be flying any other ship for a long time during ops. At least until flagships come out. I figure a fully kitted t2 phoon will get me placed well for them. Then again given CCPs flip flopping on whether minnie cap ships should shield or armor tank I figure i'll train for both.
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
2: Amarr Drone Specialization I
7: Amarr Drone Specialization II
53: Amarr Drone Specialization III
54: Amarr Drone Specialization IV
booo evil drones, they would take me like 5 days to use but i really cba some of those you could really do without heh some its a bit shocking that as a 23mil sp min pilot you don't have yet ;p
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 05/07/2006 22:14:05
Originally by: SengH
Ok I currently have 23mil SP and fly exclusively minnie. I have only 280k in industry so im not a carebear.
11: Sharpshooter V
12: Rapid Firing V
13: Surgical Strike IV
14: Repair Systems IV
17: Energy Management V
20: Energy Systems Operation V
21: Shield Compensation IV
23: Shield Management V
25: Large Artillery Specialization I
29: Large Autocannon Specialization I
42: Torpedoes IV
44: Navigation V
45: Evasive Maneuvering V
46: Minmatar Battleship V
50: Drone Interfacing III
65: Heavy Drone Operation IV
69: Cruise Missiles IV
80: High Speed Maneuvering IV
By ghad, 23mil SP PvP char and you don't have any of these 'basic' skills trained
And as said, there's a whole lot of totally unnecessary skills in your list.
/me reads thread, k, leadership... Yea, takes some time to sort that properly, but still..
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Emno
Originally by: SengH
2: Amarr Drone Specialization I
7: Amarr Drone Specialization II
53: Amarr Drone Specialization III
54: Amarr Drone Specialization IV
booo evil drones, they would take me like 5 days to use but i really cba some of those you could really do without heh some its a bit shocking that as a 23mil sp min pilot you don't have yet ;p
You gain some you lose some Alot of the stuff I can do is pretty shocking too.
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edit: Ok if you want. Subtract off 1-2 months for assorted skills that arent really necessary. THATS STILL OVER 3/4 a year to get into a t2 fitted TIER 1 BS. If I was flying a geddon I'd be done already.
So it is really only that long for you because you trained an odd path and left out a ton of basic skills. Not really a property of the phoon but of the way you trained your character.
Realistically I would say the phoon needs some 30 days longer than the Arma for a full T2 fit, that is the 30 days I estimate it takes to train up Torp spec 3. All other skill reqs are kinda the same, guns, armor tank and T2 heavy drones.
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 05/07/2006 22:30:09
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: SengH
Edit: Ok if you want. Subtract off 1-2 months for assorted skills that arent really necessary. THATS STILL OVER 3/4 a year to get into a t2 fitted TIER 1 BS. If I was flying a geddon I'd be done already.
So it is really only that long for you because you trained an odd path and left out a ton of basic skills. Not really a property of the phoon but of the way you trained your character.
Realistically I would say the phoon needs some 30 days longer than the Arma for a full T2 fit, that is the 30 days I estimate it takes to train up Torp spec 3. All other skill reqs are kinda the same, guns, armor tank and T2 heavy drones.
The thing is arma's drones arent really a primary weapons system. The phoon needs its drones having the 2nd largest BS dronebay and its split wpns system reduces the effects of dmg mods.
You need both torps and cruise for the phoon depending on how you fit it. Which is a big problem.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:38:00 -
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Look on the bright side, you'll be a month and a billion isk in skillbooks away from a dread after all that!
Oh, and why didn't you train Energy systems 5, drone interfacing 3, repair systems 4 and some other around 5mil skillpoints?
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:39:00 -
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With Javelin Torps, I find no need for cruise anymore whatsoever. After the precision nerf, precision cruise do like 15% more damage to very small stuff than Javelin torps (disregarding exp velocity here) and really your drones are what should kill the small stuff. And other cruises are worse than Javelin Torps in every scenario.
And since the Armageddon can fit a full rack of T2 heavy drones as well, you might argue that it needs those too for proper functionality.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
With Javelin Torps, I find no need for cruise anymore whatsoever. After the precision nerf, precision cruise do like 15% more damage to very small stuff than Javelin torps (disregarding exp velocity here) and really your drones are what should kill the small stuff. And other cruises are worse than Javelin Torps in every scenario.
Except for the scenario the typhoon is in where to get a real npc or mission setup (ie, tank) you need cruises.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:44:00 -
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Geez, I'm ready then..
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
I can't remember who said it, but don't fly the Phoon until you can fly the Nalfgar :P
I've just got T2 torps and T2 drones to do - all the other skills are already trained. Fortunarly torps 5 is needed for the dread :).
that was me
and its so true its scary
i made myself a skillplan for both phoon and naglfar, and the one for naglfar needed about 2 weeks less if i remember right
(and no i didnt make an insanelist like SengH ^^)
Originally by: Oveur
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:10:00 -
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Sengh how about you stay in the CBC and we don't have to hurt you 
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:16:00 -
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hehe i only need 2-9 (the racial drone skills) and that list would be done for me plus the extras like surgical strike v already in there etc on top of that list.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:45:00 -
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Um, your list is a bit overkill.
All 4 races drone specs to 4 etc etc etc
Youor list is a pretty much perfect list. You can have way less than that and be more than good enough.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.07.06 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Edited by: dalman on 05/07/2006 22:14:05
Originally by: SengH
Ok I currently have 23mil SP and fly exclusively minnie. I have only 280k in industry so im not a carebear.
11: Sharpshooter V
12: Rapid Firing V
13: Surgical Strike IV
14: Repair Systems IV
17: Energy Management V
20: Energy Systems Operation V
21: Shield Compensation IV
23: Shield Management V
25: Large Artillery Specialization I
29: Large Autocannon Specialization I
42: Torpedoes IV
44: Navigation V
45: Evasive Maneuvering V
46: Minmatar Battleship V
50: Drone Interfacing III
65: Heavy Drone Operation IV
69: Cruise Missiles IV
80: High Speed Maneuvering IV
By ghad, 23mil SP PvP char and you don't have any of these 'basic' skills trained
And as said, there's a whole lot of totally unnecessary skills in your list.
/me reads thread, k, leadership... Yea, takes some time to sort that properly, but still..
What he said.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.06 01:35:00 -
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Its a good thing I spec'ed for the Typhoon like 2 years ago...
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.06 01:53:00 -
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your post is slightly misleading.
the time required to GET INTO a t2 fitted phoon is significantly less than what u have quoted.
the skilltree u have posted basically involves maxing out all relevants skills related to flying a phoon which is totally different.
i'll pick on 2 examples, BS 5 and drone interfacing 5, neither of these is required to be able to fly a t2 outfitted phoon and these 2 skills alone account for over 2 months or around 20% of the training time.
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