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Lila Merle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.08.06 07:49:00 -
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Licio Caleb wrote:This is another EVE vs WOW and how EVE needs to do better at retaining new players.
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Didn't WoW lose several hundred subs in the last quarter? People getting bored waiting for the new ride in the themepark.
I just cannot understand trying to compare EVE and WoW because the games are so different and I'm really liking the skill based sandbox more than the level based themepark.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3585
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Posted - 2014.08.06 07:51:00 -
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i have found blowing newbies (not brand new newbies now) up and chatting to them afterwards is a great way to get them out of the pve rut =][= |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8477
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Posted - 2014.08.06 07:52:00 -
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Lila Merle wrote:Licio Caleb wrote:This is another EVE vs WOW and how EVE needs to do better at retaining new players.
. Didn't WoW lose several hundred subs in the last quarter? People getting bored waiting for the new ride in the themepark. I just cannot understand trying to compare EVE and WoW because the games are so different and I'm really liking the skill based sandbox more than the level based themepark.
Wow lost just shy of a million subs in the last 7 weeks. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2471
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Posted - 2014.08.06 07:53:00 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:Haven't seen attempts at streamlining the UI since the route list was redone. Haven't seen any attempt at making mining and missions more interesting since I started playing. It it weren't for exploration I would have quit long ago.
:legacy code: and :reasons: and devs who don't play their own game.
UI in Eve is pretty much horrible in general, there's no other way to put it. They had time and money and people to implement this whole sensor overlay and mini game UI but they cannot make d-scan and probe scanner into separate windows. And Odyssey was supposedly about exploration 
Oh yeah, we got 2 additional controls in d-scan UI, yey... Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1281
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:16:00 -
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Boobies, cookies and little kittens. Thread captured. Wow is: press Button-get cookie Eve is: wait for someone to press button and then take his/her cookie.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2472
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:20:00 -
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Only button is ugly and hard to click and cookie is stale and bitter. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10933
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:34:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:I'm guessing the much wanted "industry in nullsec" changes haven't brought the waves of people that were going to live there, and they still can't figure out why. I don't know the numbers on that and frankly it doesn't make a difference. Fixing industry to be viable in nullsec is only a small part of the larger overhaul that needs to happen.
There's also the fact that null industry heavily depends on upgraded outposts, and that takes a while. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3586
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:34:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Only button is ugly and hard to click and cookie is stale and bitter. make better ******* cookies then =][= |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10933
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:37:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm not so sure retaining new players is as much of an issue as is retaining old ones. I'm getting a serious bittervet vibe from your posting of late, James. Mr Epeen 
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm not so sure retaining new players is as much of an issue as is retaining old ones. Are you sensing that malaise too? It's no secret that I'm unhappy with the current state of the game. I like the industry changes, but as said above they're rather a small part of a larger scheme that needs to be implemented soon.
For every newbie I see in nullsec I see two vets grumble about stagnation and boredom and how they're going to play some other game for a few weeks unless something exciting happens. Occasionally something does, but seemingly much less often than it used to. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2473
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:45:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Only button is ugly and hard to click and cookie is stale and bitter. make better ******* cookies then
But flour is old and water is dirty and sugar has ants and milk is sour and there's no spoon to mix it all up!  Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8479
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:51:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Only button is ugly and hard to click and cookie is stale and bitter. make better ******* cookies then But flour is old and water is dirty and sugar has ants and milk is sour and there's no spoon to mix it all up! 
Old flour can be fixed by adding small amounts of olive oil. As for the ants, just throw some chocolate in there, recently melted to make sure they die from the heat and it coats them nicely, and you have intriguing and unique "chocolate chips".
Can't fix sour milk though. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3586
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:55:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Only button is ugly and hard to click and cookie is stale and bitter. make better ******* cookies then But flour is old and water is dirty and sugar has ants and milk is sour and there's no spoon to mix it all up!  Old flour can be fixed by adding small amounts of olive oil. As for the ants, just throw some chocolate in there, recently melted to make sure they die from the heat and it coats them nicely, and you have intriguing and unique "chocolate chips". Can't fix sour milk though. Use vet tears, bitter if possible. =][= |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8479
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:58:00 -
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Oh, and this might sound icky, but you can make a kickass steak marinade by using, among other things, orange popsicles. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12605
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:01:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Only button is ugly and hard to click and cookie is stale and bitter. make better ******* cookies then But flour is old and water is dirty and sugar has ants and milk is sour and there's no spoon to mix it all up! 
So... a Mcdonalds cookie. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2473
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:03:00 -
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Unless orange popsicles have some other meaning I don't know about why would it sound icky? Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1281
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:22:00 -
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So to ein it up: cookies need to get better and bigger...which means we and EVE would benefit of higher PLEX prices! TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8479
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:26:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unless orange popsicles have some other meaning I don't know about why would it sound icky?
No, it was just legitimate orange popsicles.
And idk, but my mother in law was pissed when she found out. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Kotch 247
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:For every newbie I see in nullsec I see two vets grumble about stagnation and boredom and how they're going to play some other game for a few weeks unless something exciting happens.
That's the problem right there. People get stuck in a rut and forget they're playing in a sandbox. CCP isn't going to make something exciting happen for you. You have to do it yourself. |

Mythrandier
Corporate Scum Cult of War
438
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm not so sure retaining new players is as much of an issue as is retaining old ones.
+1
NGE, never forget. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10933
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Posted - 2014.08.06 09:54:00 -
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Kotch 247 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:For every newbie I see in nullsec I see two vets grumble about stagnation and boredom and how they're going to play some other game for a few weeks unless something exciting happens. That's the problem right there. People get stuck in a rut and forget they're playing in a sandbox. CCP isn't going to make something exciting happen for you. You have to do it yourself. That's a nice mantra but it has no resemblance to the current reality of nullsec. The fact is that the styles of gameplay that nullsec favors are dwindling, and creating my own content would probably mean leaving and getting set up with some lowsec corp. I'd much rather bide my time and deal with being bored while CCP hashes out their sovereignty changes than burn that bridge. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2474
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:03:00 -
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While the NPE has its problems, I don't think it's the main cause of newbies not being "educated" about eve as a whole, but rather it's the guys who've been in the starter corps forever on their mains. They're the ones who're constantly telling the rookies to stay outta lowsec, and propagating the same old lies that have been around forever.
Recent (paraphrased) conversation I got involved in on a newer alt ...
Newbie -- so, I bought this thing ... and when I tried jumping into the system, I got this warning ... Carebear vet -- means it was in lowsec, you shouldn't go there because the gate is camped, and you will die immediately upon entering. (me) -- not necessarily. Just because it's lowsec doesn't mean it's camped, or that you'll die just for jumping in. Carebear -- What do you know? You're only 6 months old, and I've been playing for 5 years!!! Newbie -- uh, well ... I'm gonna listen to him, because he's older, and knows what he's talking about ... (me) -- ...
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23691
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:04:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:I'm guessing the much wanted "industry in nullsec" changes haven't brought the waves of people that were going to live there By the looks of things, it very definitely has.
Quote:The MMO crowd always likes something new, you see it all the time as they chase new MMO after MMO and throw money like crazy at hype and promises (Star Citizen anyone?) The MMO crowd isn't really throwing money at SC for the simple reason that it doesn't appeal to the MMO crowd. It's not an MMO, after all. Oh, and the idea that the MMO crowd likes something new kind of falls flat in the face of the lifespan of the more popular MMOs. This willingness to stick with the one thing for many many years is what separates them from the yearly-franchise crowd (the one served by the likes of EA and DICE).
I suppose you're right in a way, but it's not the way you're suggesting. MMO players like new things. There are no new MMOs, though, which is why they always fail: they just try to copy what already exists, but the problem with that strategy is thatGǪ well, those things already exists so they're not going to attract anyone. Copying an existing game in this space is the best way to fail miserably and not even a mass-market IP will help you against that error, as the last couple of attempts have shown.
Quote:CCP needs to find a way to separate new players for whom ISK is a issue from old players who have insane amounts of disposable ISK and power at their beck and call. No, they most definitely do not because everything has shown that connecting with older players is by far the best way to make new players stick around. Doing so would also make for an absolutely appalling learning experience for the new players: right from the get-go, they'd be incorrectly taught that they live in something other than a sandbox where they need to navigate between (or eat) all those big fish. Do think the retention will be improved by having the game suddenly say GǣYeah, you know all those things you've just learnedGǪ? They don't really apply, so here are the actual rules of the real gameGǥ?
So no, if anything, CCP needs to find a way to intermingle new players with those who can provide them with ISK and power far better than they do today. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5822
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:07:00 -
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Tweek Etimua wrote:portraid
A kickback of the wow player invasion. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10935
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sentamon wrote:I'm guessing the much wanted "industry in nullsec" changes haven't brought the waves of people that were going to live there By the looks of things, it very definitely has. Would you mind elaborating on this? I'd like to see the stats, but I have no idea what to even look for. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5823
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:Sentamon wrote:I'm guessing the much wanted "industry in nullsec" changes haven't brought the waves of people that were going to live there By the looks of things, it very definitely has. Would you mind elaborating on this? I'd like to see the stats, but I have no idea what to even look for.
I still think we should have taken over Providence & free-ported the region. Pubs will flock to Providence as time goes on & we deserve a slice of the tax pie that CVA is too nice to exploit. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8483
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:21:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:Sentamon wrote:I'm guessing the much wanted "industry in nullsec" changes haven't brought the waves of people that were going to live there By the looks of things, it very definitely has. Would you mind elaborating on this? I'd like to see the stats, but I have no idea what to even look for. I still think we should have taken over Providence & free-ported the region. Pubs will flock to Providence as time goes on & we deserve a slice of the tax pie that CVA is too nice to exploit.
Heh, that'd be fun to see.
Nevermind the forums would flood with Provi tears. They think they're immune for a reason I have never fully understood. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:24:00 -
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Licio Caleb wrote: will ensure the player is no bombarded with a wall of text
Thank you for presenting a wall of text.
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Lothras Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
47
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:24:00 -
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It doesn't need to. The kinds of players who ragequit because their hand isn't held aren't the kind of players we want. Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23695
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Would you mind elaborating on this? I'd like to see the stats, but I have no idea what to even look for. It's less stats-based and more based on the silly large amounts of Gǣooh, I can now do industry at homeGǥ and even Gǣooh, I'm now going to try industryGǪ hey guys, how does it work?Gǥ posts from nullseccers. With slots gone, the only stat you'd be able to reliably pull are the system indices and see which way they're trending over time.
Also, I'm suspecting that Sentamon is grossly misrepresenting or misinterpreting the point of the industry changes. They were never really about making waves of new people do industry in null, but about making waves of nullseccers do industry in null. So my rebuttal doesn't entirely match up with Sentamon's thinly veiled whine GÇö I'm looking for the effects in relation to the actual intent, whereas he's suggesting that they've failed to reach a goal they never set up to begin with. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Ria Nieyli
16536
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Posted - 2014.08.06 10:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sentamon wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sentamon wrote: CCP needs to find a way to separate new players for whom ISK is a issue from old players who have insane amounts of disposable ISK and power at their beck and call.
This is how Trammel starts, folks. No this is not trammel, not in the least bit. I guess fools could make a Trammel but I have more hope for CCPs creativity. I sure don't. From the company that brought you Barbies in Space, the uneditable POS code, and "you can impersonate yourself", I do not expect them to find a way to segregate the playerbase without severely compromising the game's design philosophy. Don't get me wrong, CCP does a lot of things right, they are excellent at iterative improvements for example. But broad sweeping changes is not one of their strengths, historically.
Why would you want to segregate the playerbase, I have it so much better now because I interacted with older players back when I was just a couple of months old... Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
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