IF the K162 signature is in an invisible state and the wormhole connection has less than 15 hours of lifetime remaining, it will have a chance of becoming visible every few minutes, balanced so that virtually all K162s will appear within a couple hours or less from this point. [/list]

This will ensure that if people choose not to warp through their wormhole connections after warping to them, the wormhole systems on the other side will still gain the ability to use that connection eventually.

Im a very posistive person really and i hate being negative.
But im afraid i must say something.
I see alot of opinions of NONE-wormholers here.
Looks to me that there turning wh's in general into a pipeline to null.

Me and my fellow wormholers are not happy with the developments.
I havent seen 1 thing that actually benefits the current wh players.
Im afraid of a mass exodus from wh space.

I run a small wh corps in a lower clas wh.
Ive heard from fellow corpleaders that their pulling the plug on each of there respective whs.

I mean im not talking about the big corps
They will have no problem keeping control over their whs.
I mean the only thing for them to fear is rooks and kings basicly.
(no offense to all those other badass wh corps)

But for the smaller corps its a whole different matter.
It doesnt make sense to me to kill off 1 of the best training grounds for small new corps.
I mean are small new corps going to be condemned to wander highsec with no real chance of learning how to control a peace of space.

The C1-C3 WH was a great place to give a small corps some space to control before growing into bigger corps.
These small corps could opperate because of the relative safety closing down the openings provided.
Removing this ability will make it impossible for the small corps to get by in the wh.

Im afraid that c1-c3 will become a desolate place. "invisions a dustbowl flieing by"
The rewards in those systems dont match up with the increased risk.
The site difficulty isnt the problem.
The almost certainty of getting 'ganked' by some fail pvper looking for something to kill that wont shoot back.
Dont get me wrong i love pvp.
Its just that these pvpers dont ever dare attacking something that has anychance of killing them.
O dear what if lose my 99% killrate.
Pathetic really.

But back on topic.
My point is that there must be an increased reward to ballance out the increased risk that comes with the hyperion update.
If this does not happen look at player activity graphs in the whs in about 6 months and even less players wil be in wh.
Well to be more precise there might be the same amount of unique users but significantly less hours logged in the lower class whs.

Is the future of the lower class whs really only going to be a backdoor to null?

Trust me the young corps that your killing now wont resub in 6 months when you try to fix this mess.

Treully a shame.

CCP knows the issue about the lower class wh's not making much isk because the melted nano's have tanked in price. Corbexx is helping them mapping out how bad the problem is

question - lets say I am in C3 with 1 static, I close that static, new will appear but i will not jump through. That means what? That for that new static lifetime there will be no entrance to my wh, untill i jump through it ?

I'll admit I haven't gone through this whole thread to find the answer, but does this basically mean that for C4 space, all invisible k162's will start to have a chance of becoming visible within 1 hour of warping to it? Since all C4 connected WH's are only 16 hours instead of 24?

I'll admit I haven't gone through this whole thread to find the answer, but does this basically mean that for C4 space, all invisible k162's will start to have a chance of becoming visible within 1 hour of warping to it? Since all C4 connected WH's are only 16 hours instead of 24?

Yes, but if you do not initiate warp, it will not even go into invisible state. So it will not change your current "lockup" behavior.
Just if you warp to - which you dont because you know your statics...

That other people forming a fleet on your invisible k-162 is your surprise(content) then.

As far as I can tell, you can't see from the K162-side that a wormhole only allowes frigate size ships (by visual indentification, so you don't have to drop cloak). I can imagine this being really annoying if you use something like a T3 for scanning.

So it still boggles my head.

If I would be in lets say, nullsec space. Would there still wormholes signatures to be scanned down? And if I would jump trough the signature for the exit to nullspace would popup on your scanner, right? Which means as long as no one touches the wormhole your nullsec ratting space would be save of wormhole raiders, am I right?

WTH are you thinking CCP! or not thinking! Real Black holes reduce sensor strength, targeting range, and increase inertia! Gravity wells and waves seriously mess up any observations at distance! So don't call this wh with anti-black hole effects a black hole wh! This wormhole should really just be called the "space gel reducing" wormhole because it lessens the effects of space gel constantly slowing down our ships by a small degree!

And do larger ganking groups really need a buff against smaller less-prepared groups? Really?! We don't need a new mechanic for letting the wh pvp group bring massive fleets into known space (or wh space) without the K162 wh being seen and anticipated. Just like your stupid gate camping mechanics allow large fleets to insta-kill solo travelers force the ishtar-love to get nerfed twice back into insignificance.

STOP buffing large fleets against smaller groups! They don't need the help.

So let me get this straight : I may be in 0.0 system and have let's say 5 potential wh's in there but I can see none unless the one from the other side jumps in. WH guys will just have time to gather up, put up a consistent fleet and jump in when they are all ready to engage.

How is that fair to me ?

Let's say I'm in a freighter, warping to the gate, having intel 10 system radius so I'm safe. But...I'm not since I have no signature on dscan.

Therefore, I live in 0.0 but in wh terms. That is not FAIR. Make this change if you want for connections with other wormholes, not high, lowsec or 0.0.

How different is this compared to the old system?

They scan down a WH, form a fleet, warp to nearby planet and align and fleetwarp to WH. You get maybe a 5-10 seconds early warning before they land on 0.0.

Pre-patch, the moment you were warping to a wormhole, would appear a signature on the other side. Even like that, I had to refresh the scan to see it. So wasn't that easy even before patch. Now if you warp to a wormhole, no signature appears on the other side unless you jump through it.

So if the attacker finds a wormhole has all the time in the world to prepare an attack. The defender has no clue ever what's about to happen. I find that not FAIR for the defender.

This is an incredibly lazy and bearish attitude for someone living outside of highsec. There ARE boogiemen out there. Who the hell uses a freighter in nullsec, anyway?

We have this exact mechanic down when running a PVE fleet inside a WH. It's called one person gets paid a cut of the sites to sit there, with combat probes out, and watch for anything that twitches: ship, probe, drone, sig, anom, ANYTHING. Then we can get the capitals to safety, reship to T3s, and see what fresh young thing gets to be our victim for interrupting a fleet in action.

Edit: So I guess what I'm trying to say is, rather than trying to fly a lumbering lootbagmobile through null on your own, hire someone or have friends scout for you.

Dude...what's to scout if you have no signature on scan ? What can you do when the local fills up in a second out of nowhere ?

you dock or move to a pos or move to next system. If your are flying around null sec with webs on the freighter.

And you realize that's how sites are run in wh's they don't have the magic of local to tell time a gang just entered system to safe up their capitals.


the other assumption made is that the people on the other side of the wh know exactly what they are getting into. They don't once they jump they still have to locate you.