I can just agree with most People here stating that it's not thought trough.

A wormhole is connection between 2 Systems. That's fact. And as Laurent mentioned above, having a Door visible only from one side is a stupid idea. That's against any logic and is neither a technical requirement by the game-engine nor balances gameplay.

Proposed Change:
If you spawn a wormhole (as soon as it appears on discovery scanner): spawn it simultaneosly on both sides. Then both sides are in exactly the same situation. That's fair.
Additionally, remove the information from WH-info-window regarding the system at the other end. That makes things more interesting for everyone. Also remove the WH-Name like N123. If you scan down a wormhole, you should have to dive in to get intel, not just easily warp to it.

Also make Wormholes even easier/harder (than it is now) to scan depending on their Source/Destination:
Highsec: easy going
Low-Sec & C1/C2: normal (Standard frig & Basic skills)
Null-Sec & C3/C4: requires some serious skills and faction probes or a scanner frig
C5: requires some serious skills AND a scanner frig (or maxed out skill)
C6: requires really high skills, scanner frig and proper Equipment (faction-probes, scan-Arrays in midslot).
Whatever (Source or Destination) is harder to scan determines the signature-size of both ends of the wormhole. Again, both sides are in the same situation when it comes to scanning it down.

The experienced scanner would probably be able to estimate Destination System by the signature-size of the anomaly. That's a Feature, not a bug.

Because apparently, PvE needed more smacking in wormholes, dont mind crap loot, bad prices and ever present danger. Add more danger!

Unless the anomalies need to be probed or similar, its one-side advantage. When someone jumps it takes you few seconds to figure out, where to warp and catch stuff. Defender can only be - look a hole, a dictor. Time to buy new ships.

I guess thats a PVP. Will SURELY help populate space too.

-1 on this change. With current mechanics its already tough to escape competent ppl. Unless the dscan or anoms are changed, its pointless to even go farm. Or wait, maybe we will just do the 200km warp from the field (you know marauders get stuck so, more distance).

I can just agree with most People here stating that it's not thought trough.

A wormhole is connection between 2 Systems. That's fact. And as Laurent mentioned above, having a Door visible only from one side is a stupid idea. That's against any logic and is neither a technical requirement by the game-engine nor balances gameplay.

Proposed Change:
If you spawn a wormhole (as soon as it appears on discovery scanner): spawn it simultaneosly on both sides. Then both sides are in exactly the same situation. That's fair.
Additionally, remove the information from WH-info-window regarding the system at the other end. That makes things more interesting for everyone. Also remove the WH-Name like N123. If you scan down a wormhole, you should have to dive in to get intel, not just easily warp to it.

Also make Wormholes even easier/harder (than it is now) to scan depending on their Source/Destination:
Highsec: easy going
Low-Sec & C1/C2: normal (Standard frig & Basic skills)
Null-Sec & C3/C4: requires some serious skills and faction probes or a scanner frig
C5: requires some serious skills AND a scanner frig (or maxed out skill)
C6: requires really high skills, scanner frig and proper Equipment (faction-probes, scan-Arrays in midslot).
Whatever (Source or Destination) is harder to scan determines the signature-size of both ends of the wormhole. Again, both sides are in the same situation when it comes to scanning it down.

The experienced scanner would probably be able to estimate Destination System by the signature-size of the anomaly. That's a Feature, not a bug.

when i lived in null i was shocked at how many times i heard dont go in that wh it is active

i had come from a c5/c5 so active holes was nothing new to me but it scared the hell ouf of a lot of null bears

Overall this is a good change. It gives something for everyone. For the PVP'ers they no longer have to worry about early wh detection signs while trying to hunt people. For the PVE'ers they no longer have to roll wh's just because someone "accidentally" warped to the wrong signature.

Overall this is a good change. It gives something for everyone. For the PVP'ers they no longer have to worry about early wh detection signs while trying to hunt people. For the PVE'ers they no longer have to roll wh's just because someone "accidentally" warped to the wrong signature.

I see no area to ask this specific question related to worm hole changes.

Any thoughts about allowing X Large Assembly arrays for Titan builds?

I know those require Sov, however, taking the requirement off if its inside a WH?

Not sure how much support or dislike there is for this.

As still others have stated for the millionth time: rollback the previous changes and get rid of the automated scanning in WH space. it should be dark and scary there and unless you are willing to uncloak and put out probes then you will not know half of what is in a system. Make sigs have to be scanned again. That was a great system and stood the test of time. Not sure why you will not even entertain turning back the hand of time and admitting that the old system worked and was better. Nothing I have seen deployed or mentioned works as well as it did.

Can at least the d-scan be removed in WHs or anomalies be scannable so theres some time to react? Jumping interceptor through gives you nearly no time to react unless you furiousl click spam dscan.

You don't even need to rollback the changes. Let K-space have the easy-to-do stuff.

The server has to do work to come up with the sigs to show in the scanner window. Queries against the database determine what gets shown.

The database tracks what type of signature is in any given system at any given time as well as tracking what each player knows about ... unless the server is trusting the client for that (hopefully not!). The server also tracks where you are located so it knows which signatures to pull; K-space is one universe ID, W-space is another; there is NO way to get the two confused.

A few lines of code extra (maybe) to set up the proper SQL statement(s) to identify universe and scan status, and you have your list of sigs. Then there's the testing and debugging, etc., but there are not NEARLY the code changes Fozzie is proposing in the intro post unless CCP's programmers are completely incompetent, which I find hard to believe.

What would change is that people would need to drop probes again and have a dedicated scanner again. I don't see that as a bad thing: the vigilant are rewarded, the slackers are punished. That is (or was) the rule of W-space.


W-space is (supposed to be) dangerous. If you are diligent, and are careful, you should be rewarded with success, no matter whether you are the hunter or whether you are the intended prey. Your scout should be watching dscan and looking for probes, while your farmers gather in the Sleeper loot.

Lately, I've seen some really creative approaches by site runners to avoid combat. That's a good thing. It makes the hunt much more rewarding.

Maybe you have not lived in W-space long time. With Odyssey, CCP made it Nullsec-easy to avoid incoming threats. We are asking for a return to W-space difficulty. And don't worry, those of us who hunt here also carebear here. The changes will affect us just as much as they affect you.

(We are also asking for low-class rewards to be adjusted upward and mining sites to be returned to scan sites as well)