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Dev Lagrange	Posted - 2006.08.01 17:44:00 - [61] Excellent group of people. Excellent instructors who patiently answer all your questions. Excellent fun! :)
Eclipsed Shortsilver	Posted - 2006.08.01 18:42:00 - [62] When I get some time and money together, this n00b will be trying to get in this class. Will you be running these in September? Summer isnt a very good time for me on the weekends.
Raziel Demon	Posted - 2006.08.01 21:51:00 - [63] The hunting afterwards is optional, the lesson is what you have called the 'praparation' in which you learn the things you CAN put to use if you take part in the hunt afterwards.
Cerias Shadows Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.01 22:22:00 - [64] I beleive Rells could answer that better then me... but I could have sworn I heard something about "until the servers are unplugged"... :-D ~CS
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.06 13:43:00 - [65] Originally by: Eclipsed Shortsilver When I get some time and money together, this n00b will be trying to get in this class. Will you be running these in September? Summer isnt a very good time for me on the weekends. We shall be. Just keep an eye on our site. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.06 13:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Ezok Lyrad This class may be fun but the description of time needed for the class was very under described during enrollment. 3 hours are needed just to get organized then there is training and then the hunting time for targets. Except to be in the class from 6 to 8 or more hours. For me I was very disappointed that I did not get to hunt any. I allotted 3.5 hours for this course, I had no idea that so much more time would be needed. I do not only play EvE I also live in the Real World. 3 hours was a long session to me and a 6 to 8 hour session seems absurd. I am sure some of you out there will disagree and you spend your whole day playing EvE. I would not have committed to the class if it clearly stated a realistic time, perhaps you at Agony should update and plainly state the real time the class might last. Anyways I am not saying the class was bad the instructors had it together and very organized it was just this time factor for me. Well I am repeating myself now thanx for reading. Actually the description says 3 hours of instruction and then an indeterminate time for wolfpacking. However, you are a paid stdent and welcome to attend another class as an allumni (no cost space permitting) and get in the practice you didnt have time for. Just sign up on the appropriate thread. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Adoro Caldari Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:53:00 - [67] I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp. Could be fun
Nidhoggur	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:44:00 - [68] Originally by: Ezok Lyrad I do not only play EvE I also live in the Real World. 3 hours was a long session to me and a 6 to 8 hour session seems absurd. I am sure some of you out there will disagree and you spend your whole day playing EvE. Oh god, not this. Its not that I don't sympathise - I never have enough time to participate in the Alliance ops either, but we can hardly blame people for our lack of playing time. And as for critiscising people for how long they have to play eve... Well, I refuse to comment. The wolf-packing was optional, as they pointed out. I applaud this corps efforts.
Kaar Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:44:00 - [69] Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp. Very little. ---- <3 minnow
faxtarious Xandak	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you. Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers. I'm sorry to bust out a fact in your face freind But don't youknow that, a "BS can't take dow a frig on his own" these are not my words,but that of a 2003 veteran that made a PVP guide a while back... and he is right cayz if you loose your drones and you are only packing cruise / torps and long range heavy guns...I don't see your BS or BC taking down a frig... I'm a Noob and I run most of my lvl3 missions and my T1 rifter (I fit T2 guns for the "extra damage" but for now...My Biggest enemy are "light missiles" and "webber frigs"... I armor tank and when I'm one on one with a cruiser or BC I bearly go below 50% shiled... (Ok..ever since i started this game I have put all my frig realted combat skills to lvl5) but as a 3 month old noob...I still getbthe job done ina frig... think about it for a sec... a fleet of well organised frigs...Think about it...

Eefrit VakAtioth	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you. Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers. What you seem to miss here is not the question of what is the most powerful single ship. Hell, I'll bet a fleet of 20 Carriers would make your 20 BS' run for cover! That is along the same cost ratio as frigs vs BS'. The Idea is 'bang for buck', and if you think that 20 frigates can not do fair damage then you are sadly inexperienced. 20 frigates fully kitted will cost less than 1/4 the cost of one decently fitted BS and that makes frig combat accessable to more people. More pvpers is exactly what we need, not more cowards who only feel big when they are in a 20 BS gang facing 20 n00bs in frigates. /Eefrit
PC5 Bermuda Syndrome	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:27:00 - [72] Hello, I must say that this university is great idea. Well sometimes im calling you guys GoonFleet2 but after some experience here and there i have to say that youre far far far better than them. Teach ppl some things about PvP - they will gain much more experience than in GoonFleeet.
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:48:00 - [73] OP updated for August 27th Class. NOTE: We are now requiring students to get syndicate bookmarks from an Agony member prior to the day of the class. Traditionally they were given out at the start of the class however, we have decided to have students get them before the class as it knocks off a lot of boring time of bookmark copying and gets on with the meat of the class and has you students out pvping sooner
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:03:00 - [74] Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you. Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers. Now what exactly would it teach anyone to fly 20 frigs into 20 BS and BC set up to kill frigs? Only thing that would teach them is that you would lose that conflict. Just the fact that you proposed such a thing is ... well ... a bit pathetic. Would such a confrontation really make you feel superior? We teach students to fight with their brains, not their balls. We teach them to ignore taunts and rediculous propositions like yours and to fight the enemy on their terms; one of the basic tennants of military strategy since two cavemen started hurling rocks at each other. We also teach them how to not be your targets and how to hit you where it hurts; to tag you when you are missioning or moving up to join th gate camp or when you least expect it. We teach our students that they dont need millions of SP and billions of ISK to not only be compeditive but to drive out the pirates to seek easier prey and many of our students put this to use. If I saw 20 BS then I would decline the engagement. That isnt cowardice but merely brains. On the other hand, were I to catch you in an even engagement or catch you when you least expect it you might get 2 o 3 of my fleet at 250k isk each but I would blast that BS, BC or HAC and you would be going home poorer than us. Gureilla warfare has always been extremely effective (if a pain to spell ). Would you like to learn how to do this kind or warfare? If so then check out our site. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:06:00 - [75] Originally by: PC5 Hello, I must say that this university is great idea. Well sometimes im calling you guys GoonFleet2 but after some experience here and there i have to say that youre far far far better than them. Teach ppl some things about PvP - they will gain much more experience than in GoonFleeet. Thanks for the complement. That is quite the statement and we appreciate it. We have high respect for our long time opponents in Syndicate; 3FA, Enigma, Goonfleet and ROIDS to name a few. We teach how YOU ... yes YOU can get inot PVP effectively with as little as 2 weeks in the game. ◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Tityana Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:39:00 - [76] Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO) Enjoy! ♥My Hero!
Pepperami Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.08 15:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp. Very little. Indeed, a pathetic showing from a corp we expected to be interested in a free fight. Hope your theory is better than your ability.
Choran Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.08 18:31:00 - [78] Originally by: Tityana Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO) Enjoy! Uh, that wasn't a class, apparently it was just Rells with a couple others fighting flashers in lowsec in a Brutix and Thorax. Big whoop. I wish we would have Frapsed us taking out 2 BoB Ravens last weekend, those kills were fun :)
Choran Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.08 18:37:00 - [79] Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp. Very little. Indeed, a pathetic showing from a corp we expected to be interested in a free fight. Hope your theory is better than your ability. You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to.
uraniumcore1 Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.08 20:24:00 - [80] [I always wonder You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to hehe

Pepperami Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.08 23:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Choran You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to. No, I call a war a war.. Why would we look for so-called pvp corps/alliances to fight and then camp a station? You guys simply have no balls to fight back against a force, yet you claim "We are fast, highly trained and lethal." I've come to hear the phrase "we fight where and when we want to" or similer quite a few times from agony pilots. It simply translates to "we don't fight, unless of course it's a gank". Hence, someone asked earlier in a thread what it's like to dec you, and I stand by what I say; it's pathetic.
Waragha Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.08 23:15:00 - [82] Edited by: Waragha on 08/08/2006 23:15:44 Originally by: uraniumcore1 [I always wonder You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to hehe IE. NO WHERE and NEVER Originally by: Trepkos ... The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
Sarah Aubry Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.08.09 01:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: Choran You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to. No, I call a war a war.. Why would we look for so-called pvp corps/alliances to fight and then camp a station? You guys simply have no balls to fight back against a force, yet you claim "We are fast, highly trained and lethal." I've come to hear the phrase "we fight where and when we want to" or similer quite a few times from agony pilots. It simply translates to "we don't fight, unless of course it's a gank". Hence, someone asked earlier in a thread what it's like to dec you, and I stand by what I say; it's pathetic. LOL owned! and i was thinking this pvp school might be worthwhile :(
Tityana Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.09 01:34:00 - [84] Originally by: Choran Originally by: Tityana Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO) Enjoy! Uh, that wasn't a class, apparently it was just Rells with a couple others fighting flashers in lowsec in a Brutix and Thorax. Big whoop. I wish we would have Frapsed us taking out 2 BoB Ravens last weekend, those kills were fun :) Small correction, if u watch closely, u will see that the veto guys are actually receiving sentry fire too, which would suggest that the aggression was instigated by them not by the class. Was defo a class if the loots anything to go by :) ♥My Hero!
Nova Z Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.09 10:58:00 - [85] I was a VERY new noob to EVE when I took the PVP BASIC course (as in I'd only been playing for about 2 weeks). 3 weeks later, I'm still a new player with only about 700k SP, but I can say that as part of a pack, I've successfully taken down 4 BS and numerous others including Interdictors, Assault Frigs and many many cruisers, while the pack usually comes out unscathed. Yes, the information on how to fight PVP can be found freely on the forums and if you're lucky, your corp will find the time to train you to fight effectively. BUT, for new players who don't exactly fancy losing their hard-earned ships but have a taste for blood, the Basic course was an easy way into PvP, learning from experienced pilots who pick their fights wisely. I'm no longer scared of 0.0. I'm no longer scared of losing my ship. I'm having a blast. I'm able to confidently PVP whilst at the same time learning the skills that will be most useful to me as I progress in this game. What more would I want? The 5 million was the best I've spent in EVE, if only because I couldn't be bothered to jump in at the deep end without support. Reading the forum advice is great, but having someone hold your hand while you put it into practice is invaluable. The Agony guys are a real laugh and I can't recommend this course highly enough. . Custom Signature Designs -> CLICK HERE
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.09 11:14:00 - [86] Quote: The Agony guys are a real laugh Damn straight =p I always read these threads they are really amusing. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Hekaton Keirez Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.08.09 11:26:00 - [87] This sounds right up my alley, though I'm a bit on the broke side... looks at Aliaanna
Nebuli Caldari Art of War	Posted - 2006.08.09 16:37:00 - [88] Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp. Could be fun Well mostly you get a few odd kills here and there as they run away. Deccing such a corp is completely pointless, as much as they claim to be a highly skilled pvp corp yadda yadda its simply not the case, they WILL NOT engage you no matter what the situation is EVER. They call this picking fights when they want them, but what it realy means is they will NOT fight no matter what is happening, go sit outside their HQ in a shuttle and you wont get attacked, they will run fropm you. Maybe if youre a complete n00b they might be able to teach you the basics, but they are by NO MEANS a true pvp corp, not even close. They are the same size as us and claim to be ub3r, we are yet to even get a fight from them since the war began, they simply left home and moved away to avoid any form of pvp, quite sad tbqh. CEO - Art of War
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.08.09 18:52:00 - [89] Noobs teaching noobs..what a great idea
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.09 19:33:00 - [90] Please keep the thread on topic.



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