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Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.18 16:26:00 - [121] Originally by: Zetaa Originally by: Sever Aldaria As mentioned, you can view our website at www.agony-unleashed.com We offer two classes at this time. PVP-BASIC teaching the basics of pvp and frigates, and PVP-WOLFPACKS teaching more advanced strategies (especially tactical use of bookmarks) and the use of Destroyers. We'll probably have other classes in the future but you won't see us giving a PVP-BATTLESHIPS/BATTLECRUISERS/OTHERTORTOISE-LIKESHIPS. Awww, you should do the higher level ships, even if they are slow as all get out. At least to battleship, I don't know how many people would show up for PVP-DREADNOUGHT with shiney new DNs. But, I'd be happy with just up to PVP-CRUISER even. ^^ It basically comes to this. I like my destroyer (Coercer), and so I will likely go for the WOLFPACK if I enjoy myself in the BASIC class. I am also working towards assault frigates, and since I have Frigate V, I can also go to covert ops, stealth bombers and interceptors. Not that I can afford one of any of those yet, mind you. But classes for PVP in them would be most handy down the road. If there were a PVP-DREADNAUGHTS class it would have to be a class of 5 hours killing a large POS w/out ever leaving system. At any rate, we prefer fast ship combat as well as other things that battlships just can't qualify for. PVP-CRUISERS is definately a possible class to be given sometime in the future but probably not for a few months from now at least. As far as T2 goes, we're working on a cov-ops class. Assault frigates handle similarly to T1 frigate fighting and while it is still different, it probably isn't so different to warrant its own class. Same with interceptors although flying an interceptor well is much much more complicated. Hand-eye coordination/reaction, and a good connection is key but a lot of it comes down to practice and experience rather than new knowledge which can be immediately applied effectively. It would, however, be more likely that you'd see an interceptor class if any T2 combat frigate class.
Zetaa Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.	Posted - 2006.08.19 04:19:00 - [122] Originally by: Stein Voorhees Zetaa, Check out www.agony-unleashed.com Cheers, Stein. Cool, thank you for the link. Though... for some reason I am unable to make an account there. I wish to read over the forums and such. I get an error "You are not authorized to do that" when I go to click the submit button (after filling out username, password, email). ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.19 05:27:00 - [123] Originally by: Zetaa Originally by: Stein Voorhees Zetaa, Check out www.agony-unleashed.com Cheers, Stein. Cool, thank you for the link. Though... for some reason I am unable to make an account there. I wish to read over the forums and such. I get an error "You are not authorized to do that" when I go to click the submit button (after filling out username, password, email). There are two links to create a new account. One up the upper left corner, and one on the right side of the home page just below the log in text boxes. The one on the upper left has a bug with it when trying to register an account. Use the link that says Sign up! (Make sure you use a different log in name than the one you tried to register before as it may have recorded that log in name. Once you finish submitting all information, it may still say "You are not authorized to do that". Go back to the home page and try logging in with the new account anyway. Should work.
Zetaa Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.	Posted - 2006.08.19 15:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Sever Aldaria There are two links to create a new account. One up the upper left corner, and one on the right side of the home page just below the log in text boxes. The one on the upper left has a bug with it when trying to register an account. Use the link that says Sign up! (Make sure you use a different log in name than the one you tried to register before as it may have recorded that log in name. Once you finish submitting all information, it may still say "You are not authorized to do that". Go back to the home page and try logging in with the new account anyway. Should work. Aha, thank you for that, what you suggested worked! ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Grifter Treysik Caldari Caldar Mercenary Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.19 15:59:00 - [125] Originally by: Nidhoggur Originally by: Ezok Lyrad I do not only play EvE I also live in the Real World. 3 hours was a long session to me and a 6 to 8 hour session seems absurd. I am sure some of you out there will disagree and you spend your whole day playing EvE. Oh god, not this. Its not that I don't sympathise - I never have enough time to participate in the Alliance ops either, but we can hardly blame people for our lack of playing time. And as for critiscising people for how long they have to play eve... Well, I refuse to comment. The wolf-packing was optional, as they pointed out. I applaud this corps efforts. Any my question for Ezok would be: What would you expect to learn in less then 3 hours? It's optional and less time, is probably not the most feasible, if you want to get in as much training as possible. Great idea by the way. I think it's fantastic. I hope it continues to go well! Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Parin Tachin	Posted - 2006.08.20 04:46:00 - [126] I want this class! If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil. I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest). I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it. Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game....
Sir Juri Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.20 09:48:00 - [127] Originally by: Parin Tachin I want this class! If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil. I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest). I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it. Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game.... Need 5mill? well if you get the game no trial and still need the 5mill ISK mail me and IL send you the ISK. damn need to make a new sig...
Parin Tachin	Posted - 2006.08.20 12:56:00 - [128] Originally by: Sir Juri Originally by: Parin Tachin I want this class! If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil. I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest). I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it. Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game.... Need 5mill? well if you get the game no trial and still need the 5mill ISK mail me and IL send you the ISK. That is most generous of you! I can only play a bit on weekends (Husband and Father ya know...) so it may be a bit, if I can't come up with it when I am ready I will Evemail you with the understanding that once I have a more sufficient cash flow you will be repaid. Parin Tachin
Cedrych	Posted - 2006.08.20 21:21:00 - [129] Sounds like a good time on the weekends to learn how to pvp.
Sir Juri Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.21 02:47:00 - [130] Originally by: Parin Tachin Originally by: Sir Juri Originally by: Parin Tachin I want this class! If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil. I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest). I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it. Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game.... Need 5mill? well if you get the game no trial and still need the 5mill ISK mail me and IL send you the ISK. That is most generous of you! I can only play a bit on weekends (Husband and Father ya know...) so it may be a bit, if I can't come up with it when I am ready I will Evemail you with the understanding that once I have a more sufficient cash flow you will be repaid. Parin Tachin nah no need to repay, just to promise one day to give atleast 5mill ISK to someone that wants/deserves it. damn need to make a new sig...
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:44:00 - [131] Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 21/08/2006 14:50:52 Originally by: Sir Juri nah no need to repay, just to promise one day to give atleast 5mill ISK to someone that wants/deserves it. The gift that keeps on giving . Updated for Saturday September 9th Class. Congrats to our PVP-WOLFPACKS class last Saturday. They killed over 1 billion isk worth of ships. Good job guys. It was a lot of fun.
Mr Uno	Posted - 2006.08.25 06:57:00 - [132] Hi guys, What time does the class start? I work weekends, and am in a weird time zone ;) Thanks!
Durethia RillaCorp	Posted - 2006.08.25 09:24:00 - [133] I think you guys are doing great for those wanting to learn PvP. Some people bag on you saying "take your guys to my <insert whatever slang name for a bathroom here>, I'll show them a real threat.". I say sure, there's always a bigger fish, and there's always "bad days". But, the fact or possibility the MC could organize an engagement and take out a class of PvP newbies doesn't belittle the benefit and intent of your goals. Such complaints would be like saying Drivers Ed is a waste of time becuase after they finish they still can't qualify in NASCAR. Also, your movie is very well put together... inspirational even. Very good marketing if you ask me. You guys keep this up. Personally, I think 5 mil is a bit scant, but I haven't taken your course so I can only speculate the value. But, it certainly seems your intent and aim are comendable. Should any noobs in 1.0 ask me about PvP, I'll direct them to you guys. A prince ought to have no other aim or thought, nor select anything else for his study, than war and its rules and discipline... --Nicolo Machiavelli (1505 AD)
Rasql Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.25 13:00:00 - [134] Edited by: Rasql on 25/08/2006 13:01:43 Originally by: Mr Uno Hi guys, What time does the class start? I work weekends, and am in a weird time zone ;) Thanks! They normally start at 18:00 Eve, but we have instructors on both European and US timezones now, so we're a little more flexible. Check out our website for specific dates and times. Sign up for AU PVP University Courses here !!
Rasql Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.25 13:05:00 - [135] Originally by: Durethia I think you guys are doing great for those wanting to learn PvP. Some people bag on you saying "take your guys to my <insert whatever slang name for a bathroom here>, I'll show them a real threat.". I say sure, there's always a bigger fish, and there's always "bad days". But, the fact or possibility the MC could organize an engagement and take out a class of PvP newbies doesn't belittle the benefit and intent of your goals. Such complaints would be like saying Drivers Ed is a waste of time becuase after they finish they still can't qualify in NASCAR. Also, your movie is very well put together... inspirational even. Very good marketing if you ask me. You guys keep this up. Personally, I think 5 mil is a bit scant, but I haven't taken your course so I can only speculate the value. But, it certainly seems your intent and aim are comendable. Should any noobs in 1.0 ask me about PvP, I'll direct them to you guys. Thnx, most appreciated. Keep an eye out for more up and coming Inspiration with our Ad in the E-ON. Sign up for AU PVP University Courses here !!
Master Spoonman	Posted - 2006.08.25 22:13:00 - [136] I'm really interested in this course. I'm having trouble registering at your forums though; the error message 'You are not authorized to carry out this operation' appears when I try to create a new account. Also, do you only run this courses on Sundays? I have obligations every Sunday afternoon that would be hard to get away from. Thanks. Spoonman *** Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
Forrestdun	Posted - 2006.08.26 05:25:00 - [137] sign up for a class thats what i was told...
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.27 05:05:00 - [138] Originally by: Durethia Also, your movie is very well put together... inspirational even. Very good marketing if you ask me. Thank you, it was fun putting it together.
Hiroshim	Posted - 2006.08.27 13:24:00 - [139] This seems very interesting, I'll be training those skills up and I think I'll join up for the fun. Props to you guys for doing this.
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:07:00 - [140] Originally by: Hiroshim This seems very interesting, I'll be training those skills up and I think I'll join up for the fun. Props to you guys for doing this. Thanks. We enjoy it as much as the students... well, maybe not quite as much.
Garthe VaeVictus Caldari Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.08.28 18:17:00 - [141] Edited by: Garthe VaeVictus on 28/08/2006 18:20:16 As someone who's mostly been on the industrial side of EVE since he started who is now getting excited about PvPing I took this class and I can highly recommend it to anyone wanting to get into PVPing. I wasn't a complete noob in PVP but haven't had much luck winning, especially without any organization involved. After taking this class and seeing a few T1 Frigates take out battleships and T2 ships with absolute minimum losses to the class it's inspiring. In fact, I'm so pleased with the class I'm going to sponsor a needy character. If there is a player that really wants to take the class and doesn't have the cash to burn send me an EVE Mail. I'd prefer newer characters cause most the ones who've been around a while should have some money :) The first one in my inbox will get a sponsorship from me direct to Agony (No, I'm not going to just send you 5 million ISK and then you not take the class). -- Garthe VaeVictus
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.29 02:13:00 - [142] That is very nice of you. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Garthe VaeVictus Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.31 07:57:00 - [143] I've not received a single EVEmail about my offer yet. Seriously, you guys are passing a great opportunity here to actually learn something about EVE.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.08.31 08:44:00 - [144] Garthe I tried offering 3 places to any noobs who couldn't afford it, I got a total of one reply in my inbox lol. he signed up for the course but never actually got back to me about the isk too pay for it. God knows what happened too him. Its a lost cause I tell ya, If you wanna help nubs next time you gank someone explain to him after how he can survive next time. Far better Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Garthe VaeVictus Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.08.31 17:06:00 - [145] :)
Garthe VaeVictus Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.01 04:08:00 - [146] My offer has been accepted. Maybe I'll do it again sometime.
Zarta Blastaphart Gallente Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.05 13:22:00 - [147] It's been a little over a month since I joined Agony and nearly two months since I took PVP Basic, so I thought I would just provide a small update of my "impressions" concerning the course; you can see my original post on the first page of this thread. -------------------------------------------------------------- Since I joined, I've since taken the PVP Wolfpacks course which focuses on more advanced concepts as well as the use of destroyers. But the bottom-line is, I'm still learning new things with every pack I run with. Admittedly I'm not comfortable leading a pack, the terrain is still a bit fuzzy, the knowledge of ship capabilities is a real drawback, but still learning ;-) I'm MUCH more comfortable scooting about 0.0 systems, I know how to avoid gatecamps, warp bubbles on the gate, I can make insta's, mid-safes and tacticals on the fly. Frankly, passing through Jita makes me more nervous than sitting on the gate in VV-VCR waiting for "goonies". My defensive and offensive skills are much more formidable than they where just a few short weeks ago, flying Assault frigs and just started working on Interceptors. I was bullied into training Minmatar frigs by my assigned mentor, and now, while I still love my Kessies, the rifter is becoming a fast favorite. I think the most important thing I've learned about fitting is don't be afraid to try something inconventional.. occassionally it kicks ass. Whats the point of all of this .. well, it boils down to this, the PVP Basic class is just that, BASIC, and introduction .. a crossroad on your path and decisions to be made. Your not going to learn to be an uber PVP pilot in 5-8 hours, and you should expect nothing more. What is great is that Agony encourages all students to continue to fly with their wolfpacks and future classes on a space available basis after the fact and without asking for any extra ISK. But it IS addictive!! As a footnote, I finally got my first ever solo kill, it wasn't anything spectacular, but it is another crossroad, I find that I'm better able; almost two months later, to make a tactical decision and act on it. I might also add that I've also been killed for the first time while attempting a solo kill, my lil' Rocket Kessie vs. a cruiser .. had him well into structure before I went poof .. lesson learned .. Kessis is a slow-assed boat .. do not try to tack 24km into a target solo ;-) Regards Zarta
Fourthorseman Griefer	Posted - 2006.09.05 18:02:00 - [148] Sounds like fun. Now: if I can only remember to sign up when I log in tonight...
Zaldung Kotimoto	Posted - 2006.09.06 16:08:00 - [149] Edited by: Zaldung Kotimoto on 06/09/2006 16:09:10 ok I would like to sign up for this but want to make sure I am converting the time correctly. Also I have been unalbe to post on the forums to sign up or to register for a forum account. Am I doing something wrong? 18:00 Eve time is 13:00 EST since EVE time is currently EST time +5 correct? So this starts at 1:00 eve time? Also is it possible to get the 5mil back if I am unable to show up or get the skills trained in time (this should not be a problem I only have 2 or so level 1's I'm missing)? I have five mill and the potential to make more so I don't want to take anyones money but it would be all the money I have currently saved (which is fine it will be worth it I am sure) Thanks! I will be showing up as Maldon Pierra not the character I posted as sorry about that.
Jai Centarium Anqara Industries	Posted - 2006.09.06 21:15:00 - [150] As a recent PVP-BASIC graduate, I'd also vouch for the effectiveness and fun of this class. I came into the class knowing little about PvP in EVE, and left with an aresenal of basic skills, knowledge, and some firsthand experience at putting that information to use. The thing that stood out most for me about the course is how professional and organized the whole experience was. This isn't a bunch of players who decided to open up their TS server for anyone and everyone to jump into. It's planned, organized, and executed extremely well. Despite the length of the course (I played EVE for nearly 12 hours the day of the session), it never felt confused or disorganized. I would recommend the course to anyone interested in playing EVE, regardless if you're an industrial character or a full-time PvPer. You might just learn something that you didn't know before, and will have a great time doing! My avatar is a disembodied head. Nifty.

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