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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:31:00 -
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Greetings all,
Agony-Unleashed PVP University continues to offer it's public service to the EVE-Online community. With our PVP BASIC class, we introduce the basics of PVP, teamwork, and tactics with frigates to our students (both new and old players) and give them the opportunity to put into practice what they've learned as they feel the rush of pvp, perhaps the greatest aspect of EVE.
This is a great course for players with prior pvp experience who are interested in seeing a new side of pvp but, it is also perfect couse even for newbies as well as we have proved time and time again that you don't need big expensive ships, T2 equipment, or tons of skill points to get into pvp. We have been providing this in-game service for about 5 months now and it has been recommended time and time again by the over 400 players now who have taken our classes with many compliments, no complaints, and many good memories.
Isn't it about time you learned how to fight back? Just click here to get started
This course covers how to move in fleets, Make instas, create and use safe spots, reconnaissance and much more. You will learn the basics of how to tackle, coordinate your attacks, jam your opponents and basic pvp fitting. In addition, you will learn how to set up your overview to make sure that you can fight effectively without stupid mistakes made be pilots new to PvP. Finally, You will learn how to prioritize your skill training to make you more capable in PvP. At the enf of the course you will be able to effectively fight as a member of a tech 1 frigate fleet wolfpack, some of the most fun pvp in the game. During the course we will be flying in a PvP capacity in lowsec space as well as potentially 0.0 space in one of two pirate infested regions.
* Course Code: BASIC-2907061900 * Required Skills: 1. Propulsion Jamming 1 2. Afterburner 1 3. Racial Frigate 3 4. Sensor Linking 1 5. Warp Drive Operation 3 6. Target Painting 1 7. Weapon Disruption 1 8. Electronic Warfare 1 * Required Equipment: Detailed in PVP-BASIC forum * Cost: 5m isk Per pilot. Each pilot can bring up to 2 friends with them for 2.5m isk each. That is three people for the price of two, a perfect chance to get your corp mates involved. Please note that your buddy must also register and post here and you must declare them to be your buddy in your enrollment post! * Duration: Estimated 3 hours instruction plus undefined amount of flight time putting what you have learned to use! * Instructor: Rasql * Location: Stacmon * Minimum Enrollment: 15 Students * Enrollment Cap: 35 Students * Send ISK To: Kesro
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Farrellus Cameron
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:17:00 -
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This class is brilliant. I took it on July 1st and loved it. Tagged along with the class on July 16th and learned a few extra things, as well as having another good time. A little slow for the first couple of hours because of getting everyone ready and teaching the basics, but once you jump into 0.0 it's amazing. Want to kill BS's and HAC's with a frigate? It's a great experience, especially if you want to do something more interesting than just overloading a really expensive ship and turning your mods on. I'm not even big on PvP, but I make an exception for this.
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Zarta Blastaphart
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:19:00 -
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Even if your an experienced PVP pilot, I'd recommend this course just for the pure entertainment value! For those new to the game, or to PVP, it's a great way to get your feet wet, and learn that you really don't need to, and probably shouldn't try to, get into that Battleship "tomorrow".
Instead, train your learning, engineering, electronics, mechanics, navigation and chosen weapons systems and FRIGATE V, and run a small boat for awhile. You'll be a better, deadlier foe in the long run for doing so.
It's the best 5 million ISK I've spent in EVE to date. Educational, and a whole boatload of fun!
Regards Zarta CEO RAM Technology Agony-Unleahed PVP University Graduates Welcomed !
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nut gatherer
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:01:00 -
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The only thing I can think of this course as I have run across them multiple times is they run if there's more than 1 battleship. (Even if they have their own battleship), and they fight using LAG tactics. jumped into a system with them in it to fight these guys. in my own interceptor took 15! SECONDS TO LOCK A FRIGATE. and no I wasn't dampened or anything. they didn't even notice me. So yes you can learn to PVP b/c I will admit these guys can pwn BS's, and HAC'S and any other ship, but overall be prepared to run if a corp comes with more than 3 ships to fight you guys.
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Gemini Zero
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:13:00 -
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I took PVP-BASIC two weeks ago and learned so much during the class, but more importantly had a ton of fun after the class. Since graduates can tag along for free during future classes I joined up with them yesterday as well and as expected had a blast.
If 5m ISK is chump change to you, there is no reason why you would want to pass up on an experiance like this. I was literally with for 8 hours fine tuning my PvP skills.
If 5m ISK is a big deal to you, I highly recommend thinking twice before you spend half your wallet to make the leap to a cruiser. Instead take this course. They'll teach you to be way more effective in a frigate than you could be with barely enough skills to operate a cruiser.
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: nut gatherer The only thing I can think of this course as I have run across them multiple times is they run if there's more than 1 battleship. (Even if they have their own battleship), and they fight using LAG tactics. jumped into a system with them in it to fight these guys. in my own interceptor took 15! SECONDS TO LOCK A FRIGATE. and no I wasn't dampened or anything. they didn't even notice me. So yes you can learn to PVP b/c I will admit these guys can pwn BS's, and HAC'S and any other ship, but overall be prepared to run if a corp comes with more than 3 ships to fight you guys.
1) The only time we have had a BS is last night when a corp member was trying his hardest to collect insurance but didnt manage it. 2) The fleet last night had several sensor dampeners and that is why you couldnt target us. 3) Go to the store and buy some balls; and then post with your main.
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Zarta Blastaphart
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Posted - 2006.07.18 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zarta Blastaphart on 18/07/2006 07:43:55
Originally by: nut gatherer be prepared to run if a corp comes with more than 3 ships to fight you guys
LMAO .. I imagine that would depend on the "ships", but never-the-less ...
A commander that chooses his battles, vastly increases his chance of victory, only fools, the desperate, and the occassional "nut" do otherwise.
One only needs the briefest knowledge of history and military tactics to understand the aforementioned concept.
Zarta
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 07:53:00 -
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EVE NEEDS MORE PIWATS !!!
So on that note
CEO of DNC would like to offer a hand of love to any new players wishing to take up a career of piracy
Fancy flying on this course run by Rells ? (Who ive never met, and know jack **** about to be honest... but the course looks good)
Eve-mail me in game, And i'l sponser up to 3 players to participate. Please include in your eve-mail for my own amusement why THOU should be given a free 5mill !
Alliaanna
Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii [ Fancy flying on this course run by Rells ? (Who ive never met, and know jack **** about to be honest... but the course looks good)
Eve-mail me in game, And i'l sponser up to 3 players to participate. Please include in your eve-mail for my own amusement why THOU should be given a free 5mill !
Alliaanna
That is generous of you.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:27:00 -
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Yeah or stoopid, i'm bloody poor
Oh.... DO NOT eve-mail this charachter, it will never be read never mind answered. Eve-mail the CEO of this corp and he will get back to you
Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
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nut gatherer
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:26:00 -
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The sensor dampener idea is great except I jumped in about 20 seconds after the fight began so no one would have been able to target my crow and dampen me in time to delay me THAT much. plus in addition. if someone is trying to collect insurance, then how come whenever he was locked. away warped the ENTIRE group. They don't even stay around to fight unless they outnumber a massive amount. and when one gets popped the whole fleet warps away to safespot.
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: nut gatherer The sensor dampener idea is great except I jumped in about 20 seconds after the fight began so no one would have been able to target my crow and dampen me in time to delay me THAT much. plus in addition. if someone is trying to collect insurance, then how come whenever he was locked. away warped the ENTIRE group. They don't even stay around to fight unless they outnumber a massive amount. and when one gets popped the whole fleet warps away to safespot.
Life is full of mysteries.
- Why didnt you target us for 40 seconds? - Why did we warp away and choose to fight engagements on our terms rather than let opponets dictate terms of the engagement? - Why wont we warp a gang into a sure suicide wipeout? - Why wont you post with your main when I know you MUST be from WR3CK given your description of the fight? - Why wont you acknowledge that a bunch of PvP Newbies blasted three WR3CK cruisers to space dust and almost a Typhoon as well (who jumped out in 20% armor)? - Why did PVP-BASIC kill 2 battleships (including a smartbomber ... when will they ever learn?) and several cruisers and other assorted stuff? - Why is water wet? - Why is the sky blue? - Why am I posting a response to a clear forum troll without the courage to post with his main?
So many mysteries in our world. *sigh*
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jaefron
Disciples Of The Night The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: nut gatherer The sensor dampener idea is great except I jumped in about 20 seconds after the fight began so no one would have been able to target my crow and dampen me in time to delay me THAT much. plus in addition. if someone is trying to collect insurance, then how come whenever he was locked. away warped the ENTIRE group. They don't even stay around to fight unless they outnumber a massive amount. and when one gets popped the whole fleet warps away to safespot.
Life is full of mysteries.
- Why didnt you target us for 40 seconds? - Why did we warp away and choose to fight engagements on our terms rather than let opponets dictate terms of the engagement? - Why wont we warp a gang into a sure suicide wipeout? - Why wont you post with your main when I know you MUST be from WR3CK given your description of the fight? - Why wont you acknowledge that a bunch of PvP Newbies blasted three WR3CK cruisers to space dust and almost a Typhoon as well (who jumped out in 20% armor)? - Why did PVP-BASIC kill 2 battleships (including a smartbomber ... when will they ever learn?) and several cruisers and other assorted stuff? - Why is water wet? - Why is the sky blue? - Why am I posting a response to a clear forum troll without the courage to post with his main?
So many mysteries in our world. *sigh*
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.18 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: jaefron [...] of the PVP engagements available and you ran on each of them
Ah, story time.
Pretty close but not quite as I recall. Its true that you did jump in while we were on the gate and broke cloak all at once and proceeded to hammer on my suicide scorpion. The gang warped away while I jumped and all of you being agressed could not follow (I wanted to make you work for the kill which I didn't get in the end). Shortly after one of your Ravens jumped through as I jumped back. Now I'm waiting on the other side while cloaked from the jump. Wr3ck had 1 dominix battleship, 1 typhoon battleship, 2 caracal cruisers, and 1 thorax cruiser. Those are the ships I remember but there might have been one more. The gang warps in on you and at the same time, I break cloak and bee-line for one of the caracals which is being attacked by the gang. The Caracal jumps. Ok, attack the other one. Oh, it jumped. Now the Typhoon jumped. Kill the thorax. I can't target him. Oh he jumped. So did the Dominix. Where did all the targets go? So in that engagement, Wr3ck fled from us when we started our counterattack. I wouldn't really call what both our fleets did as "running away" as we seemed to counter-attack each other. Seemed almost like a fun game of tag going back and forth. Long story short, several student frigates were killed (2 or 3 I think?) but they killed 2 caracals and a thorax.
That was a unique PVP BASIC class because of the suicide decoy scorpion. I had that battleship around from the last corp I was in for pirate security while my alt mined. Since I got into lvl 4 missions, I've been doing a lot better than when I was mining so the barge is useless to me now. So far as the scorpion goes, it isn't all that good for pve. We don't use anything bigger than destroyers in pvp so scorpion was also useless to me but it was insured so I wanted to blow it up for money. I figured that I might as well have as much fun as I could blowing it up
so I put some mods on it I had around: 4 cruise missile launchers 2 heavy nos
100mn microwarp drive sensor booster 6 multispectral jammers (probably should have gone with shield extenders or something considering I more sat there as a target for distraction)
4 nanofiber internal structure I's
I didn't plan on it, but it turned out to be like a matador (bullfighter) waving the red cape at the opposing fleet (bulls).
Glad that it served its purpose by being anoying but I had intended for it to pop (with effort from the opposing side of course). If Wr3ck is up for it sometime, get your biggest guns together and I'll fly up to EC-P8R (I've seen you guys around there mostly) and lets see if my scorpion (no shield extenders) can be 1-shoted or something fun like that. You can pod me if you like afterward, I don't care. Saves me a trip back home. Till we meet again,
o7
Originally by: jaefron [...]I tried to warn the smartbomber that you guys were smarter than that and better trained than to fly in range
He almost made it to the gate till my nanofiber'd mwd suicide scorpion bumped him at least 10km away. Although thinking about it in retrospec, it probably wasn't the best idea on my part as I could have bumped him in smartbomb range of orbiting students
Originally by: jaefron - Why is the sky blue? b/c it's better than pink
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jaefron
Disciples Of The Night The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:21:00 -
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Honestly though. I myself enjoy flying around and seeing rells in system as that means the agony group is out and about. once the intel comes in, we gather ships together to come fight you guys. give you a fleet experience. so we lose a few ships...big deal. we have iskies to replace them. We just like PVP and it's frustrating. BTW...from my knowledge. we jumped into PF to attack you guys, you jumped to the other side, and all the friggies we had flying around us warped away to a safespot. I didn't even get my merlin kill. got him to almost structure before you guys warped. The lag monster is EBIL and obviously in cahoots against my ship
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Hugo Strange
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:38:00 -
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i was in that fleet and i loved the game of tag we had although getting blasted by a gang mate (no names ) when i locked him to repair his armour wasnt fun!
The smart bombing geddon? no one can be noob enough to fall for that 1 trick pony!
this class was definatley the most fun I've had for a long time
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hugo Strange i was in that fleet and i loved the game of tag we had although getting blasted by a gang mate (no names ) when i locked him to repair his armour wasnt fun!
The smart bombing geddon? no one can be noob enough to fall for that 1 trick pony!
this class was definatley the most fun I've had for a long time
Hehehe ... he learned not to target except through overview. Clicking in space 4TL. Its all a learning process. Some days we have good days, other days it is slow. It just depends on a billion things including luck.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:33:00 -
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just signed up - even if i learn only one new thing, it sounds like a very, very fun event :)
This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++ |
Kazoki Zocore
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Posted - 2006.07.19 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kazoki Zocore on 19/07/2006 22:39:11 I'd love to sign up for your classes but Saturday's are a very bad day for me at the time. Actually, I can't think of the next time I'll have a weekend free at that time.
Sounds awesome though.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:58:00 -
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Glad to see so many interested players =) We've hit our enrollment Cap for the July 29th PVP BASIC class so this class is closed to new applicants. However, we are enrolling for the August 6th PVP BASIC class and its good to see people already signing up for that class! Original Post has been updated with information and link to the August 6th Class. Looking forward to it \o
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Farrellus Cameron
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 02:43:00 -
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Wow, I can't believe you guys maxed out for the 29th already. I guess your stellar reputation has been spreading like wildfire. It is well deserved.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.07.21 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Semkhet on 21/07/2006 07:43:41
Originally by: jaefron Honestly though. I myself enjoy flying around and seeing rells in system as that means the agony group is out and about. once the intel comes in, we gather ships together to come fight you guys. give you a fleet experience. so we lose a few ships...big deal. we have iskies to replace them. We just like PVP and it's frustrating. BTW...from my knowledge. we jumped into PF to attack you guys, you jumped to the other side, and all the friggies we had flying around us warped away to a safespot. I didn't even get my merlin kill. got him to almost structure before you guys warped. The lag monster is EBIL and obviously in cahoots against my ship
Use rapiers and flycatchers:
A single rapier can web up to 6 ships at 40 Km, and with a base locking range of 100 Km, two T1 damps will not break its locks. There's enough grid to put 6x X5 webbers, 3x 650 Art T2, MAR T2 and hardeners and/or membranes.
Flycatchers with T2 standard launchers can unleash 760 dp per volley using precision ammo at up to 50 Km every 9 secs. You only need one of your flycatchers releasing the sphere, all the other ones may be purely setup for damage and can fit a BCS II in the low slot for better ROF and damage.
Just don't get close since lag always benefits to the group who has the biggest numbers.
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Yorick Downe
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Posted - 2006.07.21 17:22:00 -
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Sounds scrumptuous, Semkhet! We all love a good challenge, there's no better way to hone tactics, discipline and skill. Awesome enemies 4TW!
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Edited by: Semkhet on 21/07/2006 07:43:41
Use rapiers and flycatchers:
A single rapier can web up to 6 ships at 40 Km, and with a base locking range of 100 Km, two T1 damps will not break its locks. There's enough grid to put 6x X5 webbers, 3x 650 Art T2, MAR T2 and hardeners and/or membranes.
Flycatchers with T2 standard launchers can unleash 760 dp per volley using precision ammo at up to 50 Km every 9 secs. You only need one of your flycatchers releasing the sphere, all the other ones may be purely setup for damage and can fit a BCS II in the low slot for better ROF and damage.
Just don't get close since lag always benefits to the group who has the biggest numbers.
How much tech 2 hardware are you going to use to intercept a bunch of tech 1 frigs? If we kill even one of them we win. One tech 2 fitted flycatcher is worth more than the entire class fleet.
We dont teach our students to sit at 50km and be victims, we teach how to counter the tactics that are commonly thrown at them. PvP is more than ISK + F1 -> F8.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:02:00 -
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Rells, why not do a special lesson and start your class in Hodrold? N-Rael is a nice place to have your class. A change of scenary. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Rells, why not do a special lesson and start your class in Hodrold? N-Rael is a nice place to have your class. A change of scenary.
Never been there in all my time playing eve across 3 mains!
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Javoni Vaylun
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:34:00 -
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I was wondering if someone was still sponsoring pilots? If so, I'd really want to learn to fight. Since I'm new to everything I figured it'll be good to learn the right stuff frist. It'll be better than trying to figure it out myself and being totally wrong and still clueless.
If not, I wonder how long many missions I'd have to run to make 5 million. I can resist everything but temptation. |
Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
How much tech 2 hardware are you going to use to intercept a bunch of tech 1 frigs? If we kill even one of them we win. One tech 2 fitted flycatcher is worth more than the entire class fleet.
We dont teach our students to sit at 50km and be victims, we teach how to counter the tactics that are commonly thrown at them. PvP is more than ISK + F1 -> F8.
Rells, I will tell this with kindness: there's a world out there where using T2 is normal, and where what T2 seems to be to you is what faction and officer gear is to us...
Altought your massive numbers & cheap hardware can be effective in some circumstances, you obviously never where engaged by a disciplined veteran corp who would have decided to systematically destroy your forces. If the fact that you casually blow 1 or 2 HAC's here, and 1 or 2 battleships there by using up to 40 T1 frigs makes you feel like you have discovered the Graal of EVE's warfare, let it be so.
PvP is more than isk & F1-F8 ? Correct. PvP depends of the sum of your isk, skills, experience and intelligence. If you think that you can take any of these 4 elements out of the equation, you will confront the hard truth soon or later
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Sosus Red
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 03:19:00 -
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The other day I recall, we had a gang of about 10 and took on 3 well equiped ships from an well known Alliance and came out victorious.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 09:07:00 -
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i really like what you guys are doing, awesome way to get more pvpers up and going
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 24/07/2006 13:59:51
Originally by: Semkhet Rells, I will tell this with kindness: there's a world out there where using T2 is normal, and where what T2 seems to be to you is what faction and officer gear is to us...
... and people new to the game and pvp probably cant use one bit of this 'wonderful' t2 stuff.
Hell I can't use a single t2 weapon and I'm in the game over a year. (Not that I particularly want to. T1 weapons serve me just fine, wont take me months to train for and are not such an utter ***** to fit.)
So.. this class is for noo people. You know. New. New? Look it up in the dictionary?
Quote: Altought your massive numbers & cheap hardware can be effective in some circumstances, you obviously never where engaged by a disciplined veteran corp who would have decided to systematically destroy your forces. If the fact that you casually blow 1 or 2 HAC's here, and 1 or 2 battleships there by using up to 40 T1 frigs makes you feel like you have discovered the Graal of EVE's warfare, let it be so.
T2 gear gives you AT MOST a 20% damage boost over t1 weaponry. If you think that gives you a decisive i-win button when fighting a reasonably well lead gang you are sadly mistaken. If did goonfleet would have failed months ago. And yes despite what you might say economicly they would be ahead.
To a poster above.. Using superiour numbers is not lag tactics. A frig can lock up a cruiser in under 3 seconds and after that the dampers can kick in. People can blame lag all they want, but I was in a 60-70 ship fleet battle last week and I had zip problems with lag. And btw I use a dialup conection.
Besides lag effects everyone. So everyone would be in the same boat. Ergo there would be no advantage toeither side (In fact it might be a disadvantage to frigs as they could not change direction which would cut down the manuvering they need to survive.)
In conclusion. ctrl-shirt-alt - e & t, shrift + ctrl f12. Lag solved.
Good louck with the course nells. I'l see if I can make it to the august course myself.
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Khavi Vetali
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:33:00 -
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Just curious, does Agony Unleashed have a killboard? I looked around and wasn't able find one. I would like to know how well you actually do, cause all I see on the boards are bragging posts and adverts. I haven't run into a group of yeh yet, but my corp mates have since you tend to take yer classes to our playground, and if that's any indication. .
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Raskijan Vetali
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Raskijan Vetali on 24/07/2006 19:34:05 Yay for preset fields.
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Choran
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Vetali Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 24/07/2006 19:39:11 Just curious, does Agony Unleashed have a killboard? I looked around and wasn't able find one.
I would like to know how well you actually do, cause all I see on the boards are bragging posts and adverts. I haven't run into a group of yeh yet, but my corp mates have since you tend to take yer classes to our playground, and if that's any indication. .
We have our own private killboard. Our policy for our members is to not post to public killboards because we don't want to give any intel to our enemies such as you :)
However, if you look around you'll find some Agony kill mails posted on a popular killboard from a few months ago before we instituted the policy. Of course we can't keep our students from posting the mails so you may find some current ones, but we prefer them not to.
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Sosus Red
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Khavi Vetali Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 24/07/2006 19:39:11 , and if that's any indication. .
I recall meeting up with tyler james on a couple of occasions, I thnk I lost a cheap frigate once and the other time he ended up losing his much more more expensive ship.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Himo Amasacia So.. this class is for noo people. You know. New. New? Look it up in the dictionary?
You completely missed the point. I like what Rells does. The problem is that he presents T1 noob warfare using numbers like the ultimate PvP machinery, when the only thing who allows this to work is the use of remote sensor dampers and ECM. Take that out of the picture, and not even 40 frigs would pwn any decent BS pilot since he would blow these frigs at popcorn rate.
Originally by: Himo Amasacia T2 gear gives you AT MOST a 20% damage boost over t1 weaponry. If you think that gives you a decisive i-win button when fighting a reasonably well lead gang you are sadly mistaken. If did goonfleet would have failed months ago. And yes despite what you might say economicly they would be ahead.
Bull***t. 20% ? Train T2 weaps and all related skills, use T2 ammo, T2 damage mods + possibly T2 painters, plug the correct hardwires and you will see what you get as raw dps. Why do you think that single Deimos'es and Zealots can fry BS's (as long these don't fit NOS'es and/or nber tanks of course) ? Seems to me that you simply don't know what you are speaking about.
Gonfleet did'n fail because they know where not to step. Would they tickle the wrong guys, they would end being chronically popped as soon they undock. They may become a problem from the moment the majority of them uses T2.
Hell, would you have followed the tournament you would have noted that Goonfleet performance was a pure joke. They even managed to pop their own pilots ! And these are the best they can field ?
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Zzryxt
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:44:00 -
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I don't see where Rells claim his tactics to be the ultimate pvp. Unlike you, i don't think he's confusing the tournament with what the 'real world' pvp is like. There's many forms, from pirating, gate camping, small group gank, etc. I doubt you'll find very many around who will equate the tournament to actual pvp which you seem to be implying with the goons. It was just a show on who can field the best configuration given the set parameters w/ extra billions of isk of gear.
I think what Rells is trying to show with this class is that, hey, you new guys or non-pvp carebears, want to learn how to fight in groups, using cheap items and low combat sp? The use of EW is the only outlet for this type of combat and most of ships that they take down are people who are unaware of this tactic or over confident.
If you read through his statements, he never claims that he'll win by how many times he killed a bs/hac/etc but by comparing their kill ration based on isk worth. If he losses 5 frigates but take down a battleship, they consider that a win.
Again, there are different ways to pvp in Eve, this is theirs and i don't believe he's claiming anything more than that. Well, they claim 5million, but hey, even banks charge transaction fees and you're giving them your money.
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Himo Amasacia So.. this class is for noo people. You know. New. New? Look it up in the dictionary?
You completely missed the point. I like what Rells does. The problem is that he presents T1 noob warfare using numbers like the ultimate PvP machinery, when the only thing who allows this to work is the use of remote sensor dampers and ECM. Take that out of the picture, and not even 40 frigs would pwn any decent BS pilot since he would blow these frigs at popcorn rate.
Which is why he put them into the equasion as a way people new to pvp can compete, one presumes..
Originally by: Himo Amasacia T2 gear gives you AT MOST a 20% damage boost over t1 weaponry. If you think that gives you a decisive i-win button when fighting a reasonably well lead gang you are sadly mistaken. If did goonfleet would have failed months ago. And yes despite what you might say economicly they would be ahead.
Bull***t. 20% ? Train T2 weaps and all related skills, use T2 ammo, T2 damage mods + possibly T2 painters, plug the correct hardwires and you will see what you get as raw dps. Why do you think that single Deimos'es and Zealots can fry BS's (as long these don't fit NOS'es and/or nber tanks of course) ? Seems to me that you simply don't know what you are speaking about.
Wrong actually, I've done the calculations, factoring out the gunnery skills that are needed to use the guns to get to the raw benefits. Thast the number. Yes I could have spend 3 months training up to use super blasters, but instead I trained up gall cruiser 5, frig 5, Production efficiancy 5, tanking skills, Social skills, Battleship to 5, ability to use mining barges, covert ops... etc etc. Stuff I use on a daily basis and I an very pleased to have done so. Remmeber that t2 ammo was only introduced 2 or 3 months ago, due to people whining that they were getting prawned by people using t1 equipment. And even then they howled becasuse of the effect on the ships the ammo generated.
And yeah I've met one of those marauding Zealots you mentioned. I was in a Dominix. By the time the fight was finished He was down to 1/3 armour, and I can tell that my T2 eqipment really helped me in the fight. Yes I will always treasure the effect my T2 Mining lasers had on him.. When he was finished off by the brutix that arived 2 seconds too late my corp mate said that all he had to do was mop him up.
DPS is not everything, if it was the minmatar would be losing every fight they get into.
In short I will without question train up the support skills for my gunnery, no worries. Those are well worth doing, and those are the real secret behind the power of t2 guns. I wont bother with the extra 60 odd days training to use the t2 gear, as I think I can find some other stuff to occupy my time.
(And btw the specialisation skills wont effect your officer guns either! LOL)
I think this off topic discussion has gone on long enough. I wont be replying to any more replies on this tread. Be well all
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Himo Amasacia So.. this class is for noo people. You know. New. New? Look it up in the dictionary?
You completely missed the point. I like what Rells does. The problem is that he presents T1 noob warfare using numbers like the ultimate PvP machinery, when the only thing who allows this to work is the use of remote sensor dampers and ECM. Take that out of the picture, and not even 40 frigs would pwn any decent BS pilot since he would blow these frigs at popcorn rate.
First of all, your statement is ludicrous in the extreme. Its like a soldier sayign to another soldier "ya but the only reason you win is because you use bullets .. take them out of the equation and our artillery will pwn you." Which basically means it boils down to smack talk.
However, that aside a moment. If you had say 20 frigs and one well piloted, well fitted BS and none of the frigs used ewar, they would still win. If you dont know why then you need to take the class yourself. The only BS that would be dangerous in this situation would be a Dominix, but even that can be handled if the pilots are well trained. I will leave it as an exercise to you to figure out why both things are true.
However, you can fit up a BS to take on frig gangs and assuming the frig gang leader is so daft as to leave his EWAR at home, you would win. If he doesnt you will be turned into a spectator. This is called tactics and fighting with your brain andevery single PVP Basic graduate knows how to do it.
Scary isnt it?
BTW the August 6th class is full but there is one for the 12th scheduled.
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:03:00 -
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Quote: If he doesnt you will be turned into a spectator. This is called tactics and fighting with your brain andevery single PVP Basic graduate knows how to do it.
Knows how to what? Blob? Are you still honestly teaching people stuff they can easily learn on the sticky threads, calling it your own, and then labeling "blob as a group, we can take out BSes" as a new tactic?
♥ It's so cute too, because you are going to respond with something witty and clever, or might not because I've called you on it, about anything that will make what you teach seem more complicated and important than it really is.
Here is a free peice of advance, Rells. Next time you are in a fight, have all your rookies press alt+F4 to activate the game genie code of invulnerability, 99 bullets, and cow mode. It roxors and it's a tactic!!!!z0mg1 ---------
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:19:00 -
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I didnt miss you.
AGONY stands on our reputation. We have had over 400 students and not one dissatisfied. Ask our students what they thought. Go to the enrollment threads and ask them. Check the previous posts by said students in this forum and ask them. That is all I need to say.
We fill class after class to capacity because we give our students value for their money and they go tell their corps that they should sign up as well and they do.
Thanks for the bump but our reputation pwns your flames.
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers. ---------
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Vladimir Norkoff
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:40:00 -
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Quote: what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers
So basically what you're saying is "My 20 BSs and BCs can pwn their 20 Frigs".. Ummm..... yeah.. Your point being?
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:43:00 -
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Quote: So basically what you're saying is "My 20 BSs and BCs can pwn their 20 Frigs".. Ummm..... yeah.. Your point being?
My point being that there isn't a point to what he teaches, and charges, when people can read it for free.
Bigger ships combined with more numbers is a general win button. Granted horrible commanding from the op leader can ruin that outcome but that isn't what he is teaching. I know Rell's school won't engage us. Why? They won't win against a force that large. It goes back to elementary math, for god's sake. His 20 frigates against 1 BS isn't a tactic, it isn't a Seasame Street lesson for us all, it's free and obvious information.
2 > 1 (unless 1 has a +5 dagger against even numbers) ---------
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Roshun Gudaul
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:43:00 -
[45]
20 battleships can kill 20 frigs? No way! O_O
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.28 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Roshun Gudaul 20 battleships can kill 20 frigs? No way! O_O
z0mg the secret is out!!!!11 I demand you pay me 10 million ISK for that information. I'll charge you another 2m to tell you that if I only have one ECM and you bring twenty ECMs, you won't ever fail a jam. wowz0rs! ---------
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Roshun Gudaul
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:00:00 -
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The price tag is 5 million to present and put into context many of the basics that will help you get into the PvP world.. And have fun while doing it.. Sure you can look up and read most of the information, but a hands on approach sinks the info in better..
It's not supposed to instantly turn you into a z0mg 1337 p33 v33 p33 master.. It's for new players that would like the information to start them on the road to becoming said pvper if they want to..
A lot of people before taking the class are scared to even enter 0.0.. If nothing else, the class makes them comfortable with doing so :X
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:03:00 -
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Quote: And have fun while doing it.. Sure you can look up and read most of the information, but a hands on approach sinks the info in better..
I agree 100%. Come to anyone in NOCTS or our alliance and we won't have any problem training people first hand for free.
There is -no- reason to pay for information that everyone else on the forums, and in game, will gladly show you for free. It's common for NOCTs to sit in the same system as their victims after the engagement and distribute advice, ideas, tactics, setup philosophy, and generally help them improve based on what we witnessed.
Information should be free, not charged for just because it comes in fancy wrapping paper. ---------
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:24:00 -
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If people want to pay, let them.
I am pretty sure they can make up their minds themselves whether they want to do that or not.
Or do you honestly suggest that you care so much for the poor souls that subscribe to Rells' classes, that you want to "help" them by redirecting them to forum posts?
Some people learn best from hands-on practice.
If you don't like Rells, go and pod-kill him, and his recruits, but whining about his school on these forums is more like trolling than anything else.
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:31:00 -
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Quote: Some people learn best from hands-on practice.
Already agreed to this. Next time, before you post, read the entire thread. This isn't an issue of valid information, but that he charges people for free information that hordes of players are already teaching for free. ---------
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.28 20:17:00 -
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I think we can all tell who the troll is in this thread
Both July 29th and August 6th classes are closed. Thread updated for August 12th PVP-BASIC class.
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.07.28 20:21:00 -
[52]
Quote: I think we can all tell who the troll is in this thread
I found him!! ---------
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.07.28 22:13:00 -
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Agree with everything malka says.PVP classes are a rip off.
heres xeoms guide to PVP!
1:Grab a ship of you're choice(depends on you're wallet size) 2.Head into low-sec 3.Get killed 4.Get a new ship 5.Learn from past mistakes,kill and be killed
It worked very well for me.
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Vladimir Norkoff
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Posted - 2006.07.29 02:17:00 -
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... Right... I believe the class is more geared towards carebears that are timid about charging into PvP.. Attacking in a mob vs a solo BS gives them the illusion of safety, an inclination of tactics, and reasonable guarantee that they are not joining up with a bunch of idiots that will gank them at the earliest opportunity.. I absolutely agree that everything that players need to know about PvP has been posted a million times already.. However that still does not get many players over their insipid fear of unpredictable combat.. And that seems to be what this class is meant to do.. Furthermore, while there maybe other people out there that would happily train for free, I think that most carebears feel more secure paying somebody.. Once again, the illusion of safety and a sense of guarantee.. Given a choice between Agony Unleashed or Malkia(sp?), most folks are going to go with AU - no offense, but they seem more trustable.. Personally, I probably wouldn't spend 5 mil on a class like this unless I was really bored and had far too much ISK - and even then it wouold probably just be to make contacts/recruit.. But for some people the class obviously works.. Rip-off? To some extent yes.. But for some, paying 5 mil to have somebody hold their hand is worth it.. More power to 'em I guess..
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Santiago Cortes
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Posted - 2006.07.29 03:01:00 -
[55]
*Thread Cleaned*
Please don¦t expand the discussion to the relative merits of the class or respond to obvious trolls.
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Zarta Blastaphart
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 20:20:00 -
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Their is still room in the PVP-BASIC - Saturday, August 12th, 2006 - 1800 Eve Time class.
Regards Zarta
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vile56
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2006.07.31 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
isnt it u who always backs away from 1v1's ?
since u have nothing to prove.
a pre aranged fight aginst 20 people who u know will be flying frigates is basicly what this will be, u will set up completly aginst there fleet and thats what u seem to be aginst.
just a thought
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 22:49:00 -
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Have fun on during your lesson and the hunt guys, you're gonna like it [;)] ----
nothing to see here, move along nicely now, is that a pink dread out there. aaww you just missed it -eris It's not an Eidolon with 5 Basic Miner's on it, that's for certain.(FF04) ~kieron No love for me? :'( - Wrangler If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes Cuddles Eeyore. He's soooo cute and doesn't play EVE. perfect -eris Eve-online Forum mods arn't Pokemon, you don't need to collect them all - Ductoris Here's my autograph - now do I get some groupie lub? Jacques' Don't be greedy :P -Capsicum ORLY - O |
Terrak2
The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.01 03:31:00 -
[59]
Happy blobbi- I mean learning.
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Ezok Lyrad
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:59:00 -
[60]
This class may be fun but the description of time needed for the class was very under described during enrollment. 3 hours are needed just to get organized then there is training and then the hunting time for targets. Except to be in the class from 6 to 8 or more hours. For me I was very disappointed that I did not get to hunt any. I allotted 3.5 hours for this course, I had no idea that so much more time would be needed. I do not only play EvE I also live in the Real World. 3 hours was a long session to me and a 6 to 8 hour session seems absurd. I am sure some of you out there will disagree and you spend your whole day playing EvE. I would not have committed to the class if it clearly stated a realistic time, perhaps you at Agony should update and plainly state the real time the class might last. Anyways I am not saying the class was bad the instructors had it together and very organized it was just this time factor for me. Well I am repeating myself now thanx for reading.
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Dev Lagrange
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Posted - 2006.08.01 17:44:00 -
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Excellent group of people.
Excellent instructors who patiently answer all your questions.
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Eclipsed Shortsilver
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:42:00 -
[62]
When I get some time and money together, this n00b will be trying to get in this class. Will you be running these in September? Summer isnt a very good time for me on the weekends.
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Raziel Demon
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Posted - 2006.08.01 21:51:00 -
[63]
The hunting afterwards is optional, the lesson is what you have called the 'praparation' in which you learn the things you CAN put to use if you take part in the hunt afterwards.
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Cerias Shadows
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.01 22:22:00 -
[64]
I beleive Rells could answer that better then me... but I could have sworn I heard something about "until the servers are unplugged"...
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.06 13:43:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Eclipsed Shortsilver When I get some time and money together, this n00b will be trying to get in this class. Will you be running these in September? Summer isnt a very good time for me on the weekends.
We shall be. Just keep an eye on our site.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.06 13:45:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ezok Lyrad This class may be fun but the description of time needed for the class was very under described during enrollment. 3 hours are needed just to get organized then there is training and then the hunting time for targets. Except to be in the class from 6 to 8 or more hours. For me I was very disappointed that I did not get to hunt any. I allotted 3.5 hours for this course, I had no idea that so much more time would be needed. I do not only play EvE I also live in the Real World. 3 hours was a long session to me and a 6 to 8 hour session seems absurd. I am sure some of you out there will disagree and you spend your whole day playing EvE. I would not have committed to the class if it clearly stated a realistic time, perhaps you at Agony should update and plainly state the real time the class might last. Anyways I am not saying the class was bad the instructors had it together and very organized it was just this time factor for me. Well I am repeating myself now thanx for reading.
Actually the description says 3 hours of instruction and then an indeterminate time for wolfpacking. However, you are a paid stdent and welcome to attend another class as an allumni (no cost space permitting) and get in the practice you didnt have time for. Just sign up on the appropriate thread.
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Adoro
Caldari Reunited
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Posted - 2006.08.06 14:53:00 -
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I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp. Could be fun
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Nidhoggur
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Posted - 2006.08.06 15:44:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Ezok Lyrad I do not only play EvE I also live in the Real World. 3 hours was a long session to me and a 6 to 8 hour session seems absurd. I am sure some of you out there will disagree and you spend your whole day playing EvE.
Oh god, not this. Its not that I don't sympathise - I never have enough time to participate in the Alliance ops either, but we can hardly blame people for our lack of playing time. And as for critiscising people for how long they have to play eve... Well, I refuse to comment.
The wolf-packing was optional, as they pointed out.
I applaud this corps efforts.
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Kaar
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.06 17:44:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp.
Very little.
---- <3 minnow
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faxtarious
Xandak
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Posted - 2006.08.06 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
I'm sorry to bust out a fact in your face freind But don't youknow that, a "BS can't take dow a frig on his own" these are not my words,but that of a 2003 veteran that made a PVP guide a while back...
and he is right cayz if you loose your drones and you are only packing cruise / torps and long range heavy guns...I don't see your BS or BC taking down a frig...
I'm a Noob and I run most of my lvl3 missions and my T1 rifter (I fit T2 guns for the "extra damage" but for now...My Biggest enemy are "light missiles" and "webber frigs"... I armor tank and when I'm one on one with a cruiser or BC I bearly go below 50% shiled... (Ok..ever since i started this game I have put all my frig realted combat skills to lvl5) but as a 3 month old noob...I still getbthe job done ina frig... think about it for a sec... a fleet of well organised frigs...Think about it...
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Eefrit
VakAtioth
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Posted - 2006.08.06 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
What you seem to miss here is not the question of what is the most powerful single ship. Hell, I'll bet a fleet of 20 Carriers would make your 20 BS' run for cover! That is along the same cost ratio as frigs vs BS'. The Idea is 'bang for buck', and if you think that 20 frigates can not do fair damage then you are sadly inexperienced.
20 frigates fully kitted will cost less than 1/4 the cost of one decently fitted BS and that makes frig combat accessable to more people. More pvpers is exactly what we need, not more cowards who only feel big when they are in a 20 BS gang facing 20 n00bs in frigates.
/Eefrit
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PC5
Bermuda Syndrome
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Posted - 2006.08.06 22:27:00 -
[72]
Hello,
I must say that this university is great idea. Well sometimes im calling you guys GoonFleet2 but after some experience here and there i have to say that youre far far far better than them. Teach ppl some things about PvP - they will gain much more experience than in GoonFleeet.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.07 04:48:00 -
[73]
OP updated for August 27th Class.
NOTE: We are now requiring students to get syndicate bookmarks from an Agony member prior to the day of the class. Traditionally they were given out at the start of the class however, we have decided to have students get them before the class as it knocks off a lot of boring time of bookmark copying and gets on with the meat of the class and has you students out pvping sooner
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.07 13:03:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
Now what exactly would it teach anyone to fly 20 frigs into 20 BS and BC set up to kill frigs? Only thing that would teach them is that you would lose that conflict. Just the fact that you proposed such a thing is ... well ... a bit pathetic. Would such a confrontation really make you feel superior?
We teach students to fight with their brains, not their balls. We teach them to ignore taunts and rediculous propositions like yours and to fight the enemy on their terms; one of the basic tennants of military strategy since two cavemen started hurling rocks at each other. We also teach them how to not be your targets and how to hit you where it hurts; to tag you when you are missioning or moving up to join th gate camp or when you least expect it. We teach our students that they dont need millions of SP and billions of ISK to not only be compeditive but to drive out the pirates to seek easier prey and many of our students put this to use.
If I saw 20 BS then I would decline the engagement. That isnt cowardice but merely brains. On the other hand, were I to catch you in an even engagement or catch you when you least expect it you might get 2 o 3 of my fleet at 250k isk each but I would blast that BS, BC or HAC and you would be going home poorer than us.
Gureilla warfare has always been extremely effective (if a pain to spell ).
Would you like to learn how to do this kind or warfare? If so then check out our site.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.07 13:06:00 -
[75]
Originally by: PC5 Hello,
I must say that this university is great idea. Well sometimes im calling you guys GoonFleet2 but after some experience here and there i have to say that youre far far far better than them. Teach ppl some things about PvP - they will gain much more experience than in GoonFleeet.
Thanks for the complement. That is quite the statement and we appreciate it. We have high respect for our long time opponents in Syndicate; 3FA, Enigma, Goonfleet and ROIDS to name a few.
We teach how YOU ... yes YOU can get inot PVP effectively with as little as 2 weeks in the game.
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Tityana
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.08 11:39:00 -
[76]
Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO)
Enjoy!
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Pepperami
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.08 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp.
Very little.
Indeed, a pathetic showing from a corp we expected to be interested in a free fight. Hope your theory is better than your ability.
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Choran
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.08 18:31:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tityana Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO)
Enjoy!
Uh, that wasn't a class, apparently it was just Rells with a couple others fighting flashers in lowsec in a Brutix and Thorax. Big whoop.
I wish we would have Frapsed us taking out 2 BoB Ravens last weekend, those kills were fun :)
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Choran
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.08 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp.
Very little.
Indeed, a pathetic showing from a corp we expected to be interested in a free fight. Hope your theory is better than your ability.
You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to.
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uraniumcore1
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.08 20:24:00 -
[80]
[I always wonder You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to
hehe
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Pepperami
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.08 23:08:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Choran You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to.
No, I call a war a war.. Why would we look for so-called pvp corps/alliances to fight and then camp a station? You guys simply have no balls to fight back against a force, yet you claim "We are fast, highly trained and lethal."
I've come to hear the phrase "we fight where and when we want to" or similer quite a few times from agony pilots. It simply translates to "we don't fight, unless of course it's a gank".
Hence, someone asked earlier in a thread what it's like to dec you, and I stand by what I say; it's pathetic.
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Waragha
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.08 23:15:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Waragha on 08/08/2006 23:15:44
Originally by: uraniumcore1 [I always wonder You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to
hehe
IE. NO WHERE and NEVER
Originally by: Trepkos
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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Sarah Aubry
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.08.09 01:30:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Choran You call station camping a War? We fight where and when we want to.
No, I call a war a war.. Why would we look for so-called pvp corps/alliances to fight and then camp a station? You guys simply have no balls to fight back against a force, yet you claim "We are fast, highly trained and lethal."
I've come to hear the phrase "we fight where and when we want to" or similer quite a few times from agony pilots. It simply translates to "we don't fight, unless of course it's a gank".
Hence, someone asked earlier in a thread what it's like to dec you, and I stand by what I say; it's pathetic.
LOL owned!
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Tityana
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.09 01:34:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Choran
Originally by: Tityana Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO)
Enjoy!
Uh, that wasn't a class, apparently it was just Rells with a couple others fighting flashers in lowsec in a Brutix and Thorax. Big whoop.
I wish we would have Frapsed us taking out 2 BoB Ravens last weekend, those kills were fun :)
Small correction, if u watch closely, u will see that the veto guys are actually receiving sentry fire too, which would suggest that the aggression was instigated by them not by the class. Was defo a class if the loots anything to go by :)
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Nova Z
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.09 10:58:00 -
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I was a VERY new noob to EVE when I took the PVP BASIC course (as in I'd only been playing for about 2 weeks). 3 weeks later, I'm still a new player with only about 700k SP, but I can say that as part of a pack, I've successfully taken down 4 BS and numerous others including Interdictors, Assault Frigs and many many cruisers, while the pack usually comes out unscathed.
Yes, the information on how to fight PVP can be found freely on the forums and if you're lucky, your corp will find the time to train you to fight effectively. BUT, for new players who don't exactly fancy losing their hard-earned ships but have a taste for blood, the Basic course was an easy way into PvP, learning from experienced pilots who pick their fights wisely.
I'm no longer scared of 0.0. I'm no longer scared of losing my ship. I'm having a blast. I'm able to confidently PVP whilst at the same time learning the skills that will be most useful to me as I progress in this game. What more would I want?
The 5 million was the best I've spent in EVE, if only because I couldn't be bothered to jump in at the deep end without support. Reading the forum advice is great, but having someone hold your hand while you put it into practice is invaluable.
The Agony guys are a real laugh and I can't recommend this course highly enough. .
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Dekiri
Useless Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:14:00 -
[86]
Quote: The Agony guys are a real laugh
Damn straight =p I always read these threads they are really amusing.
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Hekaton Keirez
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:26:00 -
[87]
This sounds right up my alley, though I'm a bit on the broke side...
*looks at Aliaanna*
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Nebuli
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:37:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Adoro I always wonder what happends if you war dec such a class-corp. Could be fun
Well mostly you get a few odd kills here and there as they run away.
Deccing such a corp is completely pointless, as much as they claim to be a highly skilled pvp corp yadda yadda its simply not the case, they WILL NOT engage you no matter what the situation is EVER.
They call this picking fights when they want them, but what it realy means is they will NOT fight no matter what is happening, go sit outside their HQ in a shuttle and you wont get attacked, they will run fropm you.
Maybe if youre a complete n00b they might be able to teach you the basics, but they are by NO MEANS a true pvp corp, not even close.
They are the same size as us and claim to be ub3r, we are yet to even get a fight from them since the war began, they simply left home and moved away to avoid any form of pvp, quite sad tbqh.
CEO - Art of War
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:52:00 -
[89]
Noobs teaching noobs..what a great idea
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.09 19:33:00 -
[90]
Please keep the thread on topic.
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Nebuli
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:06:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Sever Aldaria Please keep the thread on topic.
It is on topic, youre offering a sevice for a price, and I am letting people know, as others in the thread have that what they will learn from you is not PVP as you guys cant PVP in the first place.
What you will get as I already said above is some VERY basic information that a complete noob may find usefull, but beyond this I fail to see anything you guys could possibly teach anyone as you guys simply dont PVP.
CEO - Art of War
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Guza Jojo
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Posted - 2006.08.09 23:03:00 -
[92]
No point in slamming a bunch of frigs into a brick wall of battleships.. Not to mention the skill point average is 5x or so in your favor.. Go flex e-nuts elsewhere please.. |
Nebuli
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.10 00:06:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Guza Jojo No point in slamming a bunch of frigs into a brick wall of battleships.. Not to mention the skill point average is 5x or so in your favor.. Go flex e-nuts elsewhere please..
Youre talking nonesense, how do you know its a "wall of BS" to send your frigs at? you havnt even tried....
I have min frig lv4, projectiles lv4 and have been running around in a rifter trying to get a fight from someone in your "elite pvp corp" which is how you describe yourselves, and I'm still unable to get one (have killed a couple of your guys, but they were running away rather than standing and fighting) rifter with lv4 skills, how much more or a chance do you want? shall I come out in a Ibis?
CEO - Art of War
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Miyau
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.10 01:29:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Nebuli shall I come out in a Ibis?
Yes please. It would make a change from your usual tactics of smacktalking and station hugging. |
Mao Zedong
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Posted - 2006.08.10 16:22:00 -
[95]
id really like to get in on one of these pvp classes. can you please add one for sunday august 20th? I usually work weekends but im off that day! Im sure you would get enoughfor a full class. thanks for listening.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.11 14:08:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Mao Zedong id really like to get in on one of these pvp classes. can you please add one for sunday august 20th? I usually work weekends but im off that day! Im sure you would get enoughfor a full class. thanks for listening.
Sorry Mao, we have a private class scheduled that day. If you can predict a specific day on the weekend sometime in the future that would work for you, then please let us know as soon as possible so that we can schedule a class that you are able to attend. At least 2 weeks in advance is prefered.
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Mao Zedong
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Posted - 2006.08.11 15:49:00 -
[97]
ok ill do that. how much are private lessons?
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:43:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Tityana Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO)
Enjoy!
Nice kill though the music was a bit obnoxious. Actually all things considered i tanked that pilgrim brutix and terranis quite a long time. Hmm Im gonna have to remember that setup. But you got to predict that if you throw that much hardware at a Hawk alone you would be able to take it down. I would think it only noteworthy if the AF got away or won the fight. Otherwise that is just too much force for an AF to handle.
And BTW this was just after an again wolfpack, not in a class.
By the way, just a tip, next time right click on the target ship and set as interest and then you dont have to do all that manual rotation of the view plane to catch the shot. To make this work you will have to enable the advanced camera menu in the options. However, you get an even cooler shot if you set the target as parent and then you will see it up close and personal with the attackers orbiting.
◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back? |
Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.11 19:22:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 11/08/2006 19:23:03
Originally by: Mao Zedong ok ill do that. how much are private lessons?
Normally we don't give private lessons to just one or two or three or even 10 people. If it weren't for a corp sending us many of their members on the 20th then we wouldn't be giving the private lesson. Its similar to universities not hiring a professor to teach a class when only 5 people have enrolled in it. Rather, they cancel that class and those 5 people have to pick a different time that class is offered.
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Quen Azle
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Posted - 2006.08.13 15:16:00 -
[100]
I've taken an Agony class, and considering the risk/reward involved, it had to be one of the most enjoyable experiences I've ever had in Eve. 5 Mil. isn't really that much, and the class serves as an excellent introduction to PvP for many people that're unfamiliar with it.
I constantly kept getting flashbacks of my old EQ guild raiding days, and it was good to see the same level of organization put into this game.
Highly Recommended.
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Sibah
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Posted - 2006.08.13 17:35:00 -
[101]
I took the Aug 12th class last night and I was so impressed by the Agony Unleashed pilots. You guys know your stuff and it was an exciting and enlightening experience. I learned some very important things and the pvp in 0.0 was an adrenaline rush! I will be back as often as possible.
I recommend this course 100%
Sib
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.13 21:20:00 -
[102]
Updated for September 2nd Class.
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Sonos SAGD
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.14 05:36:00 -
[103]
hold me a place in the sept 2 one
i am at work and cannot do an offical sign up ----------------------------------------------- I lost 5 sp of skill trainning time during the last patch an i demand that ccp refund it to me |
Noluck Ned
Gallente Benevolent Association of Miners and Mercs Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.14 09:12:00 -
[104]
I have flown with the AGONY crew twice now. Firstly as a student and then as a returning graduate.
I learned a load of things, even the second time I went along.
I am still a noob even with my 9 months ingame, but I am no stranger to pvp, I have been fighting often since I started but I have never had a corpmate or another vet who sat me down and explained things to me. I came to the PVP University with an open mind. I left with a load of new tips and tricks up my sleeve.
But now to debunk many of the smack talkers who have posted in this thread without having their facts straight:
Agony do NOT run from fights until the odds are overwhelming and even then they try to get a kill in before trying a tactical retreat.
They are NOT afraid of multiple Battleships unless it is utterly pointless to engage.
They are courteous and professional in their approach to the training and in their responses to threats/Abuse from local.
When you fly with them you are in a frigate FLEET, not a frigate BLOB: Huge Difference.
How do I know they dont back away from sometimes overwhelming odds? Easy, I was there to see it myself.
Saturday night was a little bit slow on the syndicate pipes, we had killed a few ships earlier, including an Armageddon who had fitted out with smartbombs to come after us specifically(when will they learn?) but things were really quiet. One of the reasons was that BOB had a gang moving up and down in the area as well. Our intel painted a bleak picture: 2 Mega's, a Tempest, a Sleipnir a pair of Huggins, a dictor and some inties/Af's..hmm think there was a vagabond in that lot too. We dodged em for the first part of the evening and were able to find a few cheap cruisers to kill. Things started to stagnate however and a group of students decided to call it a night and left. The rest of the gang set up a camp. Then reports came in that the BOB gang was on the move, heading our way. We had about 20 frigs left, so the call was made to try to get at least one of em no matter what. So we waited there in the full knowledge that we were about to get into a fight we had very very little hope of winning. All too soon the gate activated, first through was a taranis driven by someone who has just got to have snake implants, I saw him at a transversal of well over 7kms. He stayed out of reach and we waited for the main gang. We didnt have very long to wait, moments later the gate activated and a Tempest uncloaked and was targetted, seconds later the gate went mad with incoming activations and local spiked severely.
We hit the tempest with all we had. A dictor bubble was dropped in the middle of everything. We got through the shields on the tempest and into his armor......and thats as far as we got. BOB started fighting back and frigates started popping left and right. I had one of those Zen moments that EVE can sometimes deliver, I saw the gangmate directly ahead of me go boom, I literally flew through his flaming wreckage, guns blazing, all the time still hoping we might pop the guy. Alas it was not meant to be and our losses steadily climbed. Finally the order was given to get out. When the order came I was actually inside an interdictor sphere at the time, I clicked at the nearest thing dead ahead and flew my ass out of there at full speed. I was just being targetted by someone as my warp drive kicked in and my lil red enyo made it out alive.
We reformed at a safespot with only 6 frigates remaining and 7 guys in pods. I think we lost about 10 gang members in total to BOB losses of None.
In short, that time around, we got our clock cleaned. Still: Our kills for the night includes an Ishtar, a geddon and a crow among others. Approx isk destroyed was well over 250 mill(Gistii MWD on the crow, poor sod) in exchange for 10 frigates and pods this must surely go down as one of agony's bigger losses: A Loss not a Defeat. We went in knowing full well that we had almost no chance, I cant help but thi
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Noluck Ned
Gallente Benevolent Association of Miners and Mercs Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.14 09:15:00 -
[105]
I cant help but think that if a hac had jumped in first instead of the Tempest, we might well have gotten a kill. Nobody forced any of us to stay on the gate when we knew what was coming in. And a few of us, including myself, were risking T2 ships in that confrontation.
On a normal night however we would obviously have tried to go wait for them to pass and picked up different targets, but the class was almost over anyway and we felt like a fight.
Respect to BOB for a great smack free fight and a lesson in what the limitations of frig wolfpacks are. Respect to all my gang mates on that gate, thanks for not being afraid to go down in flames.
Both myself and my Corporation wholeheartedly endorse Agony Unleashed and PVP University. It is our recommedation to corp CEO's that you send your new pilots to them for training. Also to all miners/builders/NON-PVPers: Try it out, you might just enjoy yourselves.
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Nova Z
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.14 13:25:00 -
[106]
Why do the best fights ALWAYS happen after i've logged?
Great description of the night, Ned! .
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Skyly
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.14 17:53:00 -
[107]
Would like to sponsor someone through this course.
Will pay the 5 mill for the first to evemail me. Will also pay 1 mill for each Goon the sponsored member lays the final blow on
*Skyly awaits flashing mail spam
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.15 01:54:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Krulla on 15/08/2006 01:55:28 I'm sponsoring a noob through this course as well; however, you have to, for my personal amusement, tell me why I should sponsor you.
Mail me.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.16 20:40:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Nova Z Why do the best fights ALWAYS happen after i've logged?
Great description of the night, Ned!
I know the feeling. I go AFG a while and thez kill 2 ishtars!!!
◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back? |
Deimm
Caldari Ocean Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.08.17 07:57:00 -
[110]
I signed up for this class a few months ago and ended up not getting to attend due to real life issues and didnÆt get a chance to let Rells know that I couldnÆt make it.
After I got back I sent Rells a PM explaining what had happened and he was more then happy to help me out and gave me credit to the next class. Thanks Rells!
Great class BTW. Even if you already know every thing they are teaching witch I highly doubt you do you well still have fun in the after course PvP.
I signed up for a wolfpack class but again got unlucky and couldnÆt attend. Computer died!!! I mean just died wouldnÆt boot up. After about a week the class passed and I finely got my computer up and running again. I didnÆt feel it would be right for me to ask for a credit again...
Rules are rules and I was glad to get in on the Pvp basic class on credit but it would feel wrong being let through on credit for the wolfpack class... I want to attend the wolf pack class real bad so as soon as I get a new video card so I can play I plan to pay the course cost again... ItÆs well worth it!
Rells I canÆt wait to get a chance to take the wolf pack classà Just got to get the cash for a video card! Cya there!
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Donmadefy
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:20:00 -
[111]
I'm very tempted. I've always liked the idea of a frigate fleet. I'll check my finances and available time...
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voxen
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.08.17 16:07:00 -
[112]
Edited by: voxen on 17/08/2006 16:13:23 ok, just for fun I'll sponsor 10 fitted frigates (t1, any race possible) for the good cause to people interested (to be picked up in Gelfiven, Molden Heath though :))
Eve mail me if you want one (and somehow can proove you want it for the course ofcourse)
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Taipan Gedscho
Taipan Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:39:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
im sorry to say that... but to me that sounds stupid...
its like you were telling a medical student in first semester "NOW take that effin scalpel and open his abdomen! NOW! and then see where all your studying got you!"
if you didnt sound that serious i really would have laughed.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:06:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Deimm I signed up for a wolfpack class but again got unlucky and couldnÆt attend. Computer died!!! I mean just died wouldnÆt boot up. After about a week the class passed and I finely got my computer up and running again. I didnÆt feel it would be right for me to ask for a credit again...
Rules are rules and I was glad to get in on the Pvp basic class on credit but it would feel wrong being let through on credit for the wolfpack class... I want to attend the wolf pack class real bad so as soon as I get a new video card so I can play I plan to pay the course cost again... ItÆs well worth it!
Hey, its not a problem. So long as you've paid for the course, we owe you the service until you sign up and take it. No need to pay a 2nd time. We do appreciate it when people let us know ahead of time if they can't make a class but they still have credit either way. As there is a maximum number of people that can be on ventrilo and hence come along, it just meant that one more of our alumni was happy to be able to tag along, so you made his day. You're not obligated at all to pay a 2nd time for a class but if you personally feel that you "should" then thats fine. We'll just consider it a donation. Looking forward to having ya
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Zetaa
Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 01:06:00 -
[115]
I am thinking about signing up for the class, but I have a few questions too. I have read a bit of this thread and seen mention of other classes. Do you guys have a website or a thread somewhere listing your classes and other things you offer?
I do want to learn how to use my frigates better, but I am also interested in extending that up the line. I figure for each step up I take, I'd like to get the most from that step.
Anyway, the skill requirements you list are pretty easy, so, if I have them all in time, I'll sign up.
Thanks in advance for any extra info you can give me. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. |
Stein Voorhees
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.18 07:39:00 -
[116]
Zetaa,
Check out www.agony-unleashed.com
Cheers,
Stein.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:20:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Zetaa I am thinking about signing up for the class, but I have a few questions too. I have read a bit of this thread and seen mention of other classes. Do you guys have a website or a thread somewhere listing your classes and other things you offer?
I do want to learn how to use my frigates better, but I am also interested in extending that up the line. I figure for each step up I take, I'd like to get the most from that step.
Anyway, the skill requirements you list are pretty easy, so, if I have them all in time, I'll sign up.
Thanks in advance for any extra info you can give me.
As mentioned, you can view our website at www.agony-unleashed.com We offer two classes at this time. PVP-BASIC teaching the basics of pvp and frigates, and PVP-WOLFPACKS teaching more advanced strategies (especially tactical use of bookmarks) and the use of Destroyers. We'll probably have other classes in the future but you won't see us giving a PVP-BATTLESHIPS/BATTLECRUISERS/OTHERTORTOISE-LIKESHIPS.
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Tas Devil
JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:47:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
You my young man have issues... and forgot you were a noob one day too... probably still are and the only skill you have is probably calling primaries from the safety of your 15 sniping BS gang...
The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :) |
Dracolich
North Star Networks Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:01:00 -
[119]
Awesome idea. And 5 mil isk is like nothing in this day and age in Eve. Kudos to Agony Unleashed for doing this. _______________________________________
Does killing the weak, make you feel strong? |
Zetaa
Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:06:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
As mentioned, you can view our website at www.agony-unleashed.com We offer two classes at this time. PVP-BASIC teaching the basics of pvp and frigates, and PVP-WOLFPACKS teaching more advanced strategies (especially tactical use of bookmarks) and the use of Destroyers. We'll probably have other classes in the future but you won't see us giving a PVP-BATTLESHIPS/BATTLECRUISERS/OTHERTORTOISE-LIKESHIPS.
Awww, you should do the higher level ships, even if they are slow as all get out. At least to battleship, I don't know how many people would show up for PVP-DREADNOUGHT with shiney new DNs.
But, I'd be happy with just up to PVP-CRUISER even. ^^
It basically comes to this. I like my destroyer (Coercer), and so I will likely go for the WOLFPACK if I enjoy myself in the BASIC class. I am also working towards assault frigates, and since I have Frigate V, I can also go to covert ops, stealth bombers and interceptors. Not that I can afford one of any of those yet, mind you. But classes for PVP in them would be most handy down the road. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. |
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:26:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Zetaa
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
As mentioned, you can view our website at www.agony-unleashed.com We offer two classes at this time. PVP-BASIC teaching the basics of pvp and frigates, and PVP-WOLFPACKS teaching more advanced strategies (especially tactical use of bookmarks) and the use of Destroyers. We'll probably have other classes in the future but you won't see us giving a PVP-BATTLESHIPS/BATTLECRUISERS/OTHERTORTOISE-LIKESHIPS.
Awww, you should do the higher level ships, even if they are slow as all get out. At least to battleship, I don't know how many people would show up for PVP-DREADNOUGHT with shiney new DNs.
But, I'd be happy with just up to PVP-CRUISER even. ^^
It basically comes to this. I like my destroyer (Coercer), and so I will likely go for the WOLFPACK if I enjoy myself in the BASIC class. I am also working towards assault frigates, and since I have Frigate V, I can also go to covert ops, stealth bombers and interceptors. Not that I can afford one of any of those yet, mind you. But classes for PVP in them would be most handy down the road.
If there were a PVP-DREADNAUGHTS class it would have to be a class of 5 hours killing a large POS w/out ever leaving system. At any rate, we prefer fast ship combat as well as other things that battlships just can't qualify for.
PVP-CRUISERS is definately a possible class to be given sometime in the future but probably not for a few months from now at least. As far as T2 goes, we're working on a cov-ops class. Assault frigates handle similarly to T1 frigate fighting and while it is still different, it probably isn't so different to warrant its own class. Same with interceptors although flying an interceptor well is much much more complicated. Hand-eye coordination/reaction, and a good connection is key but a lot of it comes down to practice and experience rather than new knowledge which can be immediately applied effectively. It would, however, be more likely that you'd see an interceptor class if any T2 combat frigate class.
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Zetaa
Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.08.19 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Stein Voorhees Zetaa,
Check out www.agony-unleashed.com
Cheers,
Stein.
Cool, thank you for the link. Though... for some reason I am unable to make an account there. I wish to read over the forums and such. I get an error "You are not authorized to do that" when I go to click the submit button (after filling out username, password, email). ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. |
Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.19 05:27:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Zetaa
Originally by: Stein Voorhees Zetaa,
Check out www.agony-unleashed.com
Cheers,
Stein.
Cool, thank you for the link. Though... for some reason I am unable to make an account there. I wish to read over the forums and such. I get an error "You are not authorized to do that" when I go to click the submit button (after filling out username, password, email).
There are two links to create a new account. One up the upper left corner, and one on the right side of the home page just below the log in text boxes. The one on the upper left has a bug with it when trying to register an account. Use the link that says Sign up! (Make sure you use a different log in name than the one you tried to register before as it may have recorded that log in name. Once you finish submitting all information, it may still say "You are not authorized to do that". Go back to the home page and try logging in with the new account anyway. Should work.
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Zetaa
Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.08.19 15:36:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Sever Aldaria
There are two links to create a new account. One up the upper left corner, and one on the right side of the home page just below the log in text boxes. The one on the upper left has a bug with it when trying to register an account. Use the link that says Sign up! (Make sure you use a different log in name than the one you tried to register before as it may have recorded that log in name. Once you finish submitting all information, it may still say "You are not authorized to do that". Go back to the home page and try logging in with the new account anyway. Should work.
Aha, thank you for that, what you suggested worked! ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. |
Grifter Treysik
Caldari Caldar Mercenary Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.19 15:59:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Nidhoggur
Originally by: Ezok Lyrad I do not only play EvE I also live in the Real World. 3 hours was a long session to me and a 6 to 8 hour session seems absurd. I am sure some of you out there will disagree and you spend your whole day playing EvE.
Oh god, not this. Its not that I don't sympathise - I never have enough time to participate in the Alliance ops either, but we can hardly blame people for our lack of playing time. And as for critiscising people for how long they have to play eve... Well, I refuse to comment.
The wolf-packing was optional, as they pointed out.
I applaud this corps efforts.
Any my question for Ezok would be: What would you expect to learn in less then 3 hours? It's optional and less time, is probably not the most feasible, if you want to get in as much training as possible.
Great idea by the way. I think it's fantastic. I hope it continues to go well!
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Parin Tachin
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Posted - 2006.08.20 04:46:00 -
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I want this class!
If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil.
I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest).
I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it.
Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game....
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Sir Juri
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.20 09:48:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Parin Tachin I want this class!
If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil.
I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest).
I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it.
Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game....
Need 5mill? well if you get the game no trial and still need the 5mill ISK mail me and IL send you the ISK.
damn need to make a new sig... |
Parin Tachin
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Posted - 2006.08.20 12:56:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Parin Tachin I want this class!
If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil.
I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest).
I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it.
Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game....
Need 5mill? well if you get the game no trial and still need the 5mill ISK mail me and IL send you the ISK.
That is most generous of you! I can only play a bit on weekends (Husband and Father ya know...) so it may be a bit, if I can't come up with it when I am ready I will Evemail you with the understanding that once I have a more sufficient cash flow you will be repaid.
Parin Tachin
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Cedrych
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Posted - 2006.08.20 21:21:00 -
[129]
Sounds like a good time on the weekends to learn how to pvp.
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Sir Juri
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.08.21 02:47:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Parin Tachin
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Parin Tachin I want this class!
If I keep playing after my 14 day trial (highly likely) I will find a way to get the 5 mil.
I made a ton in just the first 2 days of trial (got that lucky 1.6mil mission reward item and saved the rest).
I want/need to be pvp ready. The feedback on this course, and the look I took at their website tells me it will be worth it.
Parin Tachin Old fart in life, noob in game....
Need 5mill? well if you get the game no trial and still need the 5mill ISK mail me and IL send you the ISK.
That is most generous of you! I can only play a bit on weekends (Husband and Father ya know...) so it may be a bit, if I can't come up with it when I am ready I will Evemail you with the understanding that once I have a more sufficient cash flow you will be repaid.
Parin Tachin
nah no need to repay, just to promise one day to give atleast 5mill ISK to someone that wants/deserves it.
damn need to make a new sig... |
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.21 14:44:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 21/08/2006 14:50:52
Originally by: Sir Juri nah no need to repay, just to promise one day to give atleast 5mill ISK to someone that wants/deserves it.
The gift that keeps on giving . Updated for Saturday September 9th Class.
Congrats to our PVP-WOLFPACKS class last Saturday. They killed over 1 billion isk worth of ships. Good job guys. It was a lot of fun.
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Mr Uno
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Posted - 2006.08.25 06:57:00 -
[132]
Hi guys, What time does the class start? I work weekends, and am in a weird time zone ;) Thanks!
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Durethia
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2006.08.25 09:24:00 -
[133]
I think you guys are doing great for those wanting to learn PvP. Some people bag on you saying "take your guys to my <insert whatever slang name for a bathroom here>, I'll show them a real threat.". I say sure, there's always a bigger fish, and there's always "bad days". But, the fact or possibility the MC could organize an engagement and take out a class of PvP newbies doesn't belittle the benefit and intent of your goals. Such complaints would be like saying Drivers Ed is a waste of time becuase after they finish they still can't qualify in NASCAR.
Also, your movie is very well put together... inspirational even. Very good marketing if you ask me.
You guys keep this up. Personally, I think 5 mil is a bit scant, but I haven't taken your course so I can only speculate the value. But, it certainly seems your intent and aim are comendable. Should any noobs in 1.0 ask me about PvP, I'll direct them to you guys.
A prince ought to have no other aim or thought, nor select anything else for his study, than war and its rules and discipline... --Nicolo Machiavelli (1505 AD) |
Rasql
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.25 13:00:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Rasql on 25/08/2006 13:01:43
Originally by: Mr Uno Hi guys, What time does the class start? I work weekends, and am in a weird time zone ;) Thanks!
They normally start at 18:00 Eve, but we have instructors on both European and US timezones now, so we're a little more flexible. Check out our website for specific dates and times.
Sign up for AU PVP University Courses here !! |
Rasql
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.25 13:05:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Durethia I think you guys are doing great for those wanting to learn PvP. Some people bag on you saying "take your guys to my <insert whatever slang name for a bathroom here>, I'll show them a real threat.". I say sure, there's always a bigger fish, and there's always "bad days". But, the fact or possibility the MC could organize an engagement and take out a class of PvP newbies doesn't belittle the benefit and intent of your goals. Such complaints would be like saying Drivers Ed is a waste of time becuase after they finish they still can't qualify in NASCAR.
Also, your movie is very well put together... inspirational even. Very good marketing if you ask me.
You guys keep this up. Personally, I think 5 mil is a bit scant, but I haven't taken your course so I can only speculate the value. But, it certainly seems your intent and aim are comendable. Should any noobs in 1.0 ask me about PvP, I'll direct them to you guys.
Thnx, most appreciated. Keep an eye out for more up and coming Inspiration with our Ad in the E-ON.
Sign up for AU PVP University Courses here !! |
Master Spoonman
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Posted - 2006.08.25 22:13:00 -
[136]
I'm really interested in this course. I'm having trouble registering at your forums though; the error message 'You are not authorized to carry out this operation' appears when I try to create a new account.
Also, do you only run this courses on Sundays? I have obligations every Sunday afternoon that would be hard to get away from. Thanks. Spoonman ***
Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. |
Forrestdun
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Posted - 2006.08.26 05:25:00 -
[137]
sign up for a class thats what i was told...
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.27 05:05:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Durethia Also, your movie is very well put together... inspirational even. Very good marketing if you ask me.
Thank you, it was fun putting it together.
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Hiroshim
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Posted - 2006.08.27 13:24:00 -
[139]
This seems very interesting, I'll be training those skills up and I think I'll join up for the fun.
Props to you guys for doing this.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:07:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Hiroshim This seems very interesting, I'll be training those skills up and I think I'll join up for the fun.
Props to you guys for doing this.
Thanks. We enjoy it as much as the students... well, maybe not quite as much.
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Garthe VaeVictus
Caldari Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.08.28 18:17:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Garthe VaeVictus on 28/08/2006 18:20:16 As someone who's mostly been on the industrial side of EVE since he started who is now getting excited about PvPing I took this class and I can highly recommend it to anyone wanting to get into PVPing.
I wasn't a complete noob in PVP but haven't had much luck winning, especially without any organization involved. After taking this class and seeing a few T1 Frigates take out battleships and T2 ships with absolute minimum losses to the class it's inspiring.
In fact, I'm so pleased with the class I'm going to sponsor a needy character. If there is a player that really wants to take the class and doesn't have the cash to burn send me an EVE Mail. I'd prefer newer characters cause most the ones who've been around a while should have some money :) The first one in my inbox will get a sponsorship from me direct to Agony (No, I'm not going to just send you 5 million ISK and then you not take the class).
-- Garthe VaeVictus
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.29 02:13:00 -
[142]
That is very nice of you.
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Garthe VaeVictus
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.31 07:57:00 -
[143]
I've not received a single EVEmail about my offer yet. Seriously, you guys are passing a great opportunity here to actually learn something about EVE.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.08.31 08:44:00 -
[144]
Garthe I tried offering 3 places to any noobs who couldn't afford it, I got a total of one reply in my inbox lol. he signed up for the course but never actually got back to me about the isk too pay for it. God knows what happened too him.
Its a lost cause I tell ya, If you wanna help nubs next time you gank someone explain to him after how he can survive next time. Far better
Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Garthe VaeVictus
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.31 17:06:00 -
[145]
:)
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Garthe VaeVictus
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.01 04:08:00 -
[146]
My offer has been accepted. Maybe I'll do it again sometime.
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Zarta Blastaphart
Gallente Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.05 13:22:00 -
[147]
It's been a little over a month since I joined Agony and nearly two months since I took PVP Basic, so I thought I would just provide a small update of my "impressions" concerning the course; you can see my original post on the first page of this thread. --------------------------------------------------------------
Since I joined, I've since taken the PVP Wolfpacks course which focuses on more advanced concepts as well as the use of destroyers. But the bottom-line is, I'm still learning new things with every pack I run with. Admittedly I'm not comfortable leading a pack, the terrain is still a bit fuzzy, the knowledge of ship capabilities is a real drawback, but still learning ;-)
I'm MUCH more comfortable scooting about 0.0 systems, I know how to avoid gatecamps, warp bubbles on the gate, I can make insta's, mid-safes and tacticals on the fly. Frankly, passing through Jita makes me more nervous than sitting on the gate in VV-VCR waiting for "goonies".
My defensive and offensive skills are much more formidable than they where just a few short weeks ago, flying Assault frigs and just started working on Interceptors. I was bullied into training Minmatar frigs by my assigned mentor, and now, while I still love my Kessies, the rifter is becoming a fast favorite. I think the most important thing I've learned about fitting is don't be afraid to try something inconventional.. occassionally it kicks ass.
Whats the point of all of this .. well, it boils down to this, the PVP Basic class is just that, BASIC, and introduction .. a crossroad on your path and decisions to be made. Your not going to learn to be an uber PVP pilot in 5-8 hours, and you should expect nothing more.
What is great is that Agony encourages all students to continue to fly with their wolfpacks and future classes on a space available basis after the fact and without asking for any extra ISK. But it IS addictive!!
As a footnote, I finally got my first ever solo kill, it wasn't anything spectacular, but it is another crossroad, I find that I'm better able; almost two months later, to make a tactical decision and act on it. I might also add that I've also been killed for the first time while attempting a solo kill, my lil' Rocket Kessie vs. a cruiser .. had him well into structure before I went poof .. lesson learned .. Kessis is a slow-assed boat .. do not try to tack 24km into a target solo ;-)
Regards Zarta
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Fourthorseman Griefer
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:02:00 -
[148]
Sounds like fun. Now: if I can only remember to sign up when I log in tonight...
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Zaldung Kotimoto
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Posted - 2006.09.06 16:08:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Zaldung Kotimoto on 06/09/2006 16:09:10 ok I would like to sign up for this but want to make sure I am converting the time correctly. Also I have been unalbe to post on the forums to sign up or to register for a forum account. Am I doing something wrong? 18:00 Eve time is 13:00 EST since EVE time is currently EST time +5 correct? So this starts at 1:00 eve time?
Also is it possible to get the 5mil back if I am unable to show up or get the skills trained in time (this should not be a problem I only have 2 or so level 1's I'm missing)? I have five mill and the potential to make more so I don't want to take anyones money but it would be all the money I have currently saved (which is fine it will be worth it I am sure)
Thanks!
I will be showing up as Maldon Pierra not the character I posted as sorry about that.
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Jai Centarium
Anqara Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.06 21:15:00 -
[150]
As a recent PVP-BASIC graduate, I'd also vouch for the effectiveness and fun of this class. I came into the class knowing little about PvP in EVE, and left with an aresenal of basic skills, knowledge, and some firsthand experience at putting that information to use.
The thing that stood out most for me about the course is how professional and organized the whole experience was. This isn't a bunch of players who decided to open up their TS server for anyone and everyone to jump into. It's planned, organized, and executed extremely well. Despite the length of the course (I played EVE for nearly 12 hours the day of the session), it never felt confused or disorganized.
I would recommend the course to anyone interested in playing EVE, regardless if you're an industrial character or a full-time PvPer. You might just learn something that you didn't know before, and will have a great time doing!
My avatar is a disembodied head. Nifty. |
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.06 22:17:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Zaldung Kotimoto ok I would like to sign up for this but want to make sure I am converting the time correctly. Also I have been unalbe to post on the forums to sign up or to register for a forum account. Am I doing something wrong? 18:00 Eve time is 13:00 EST since EVE time is currently EST time +5 correct? So this starts at 1:00 eve time?
There are two links to make an account. The one on top is busted for reasons I have not been able to determine. Use the one on the right instead. As for the conversion from Eve time I dont know. Just look at the eve clock when you are logged on (lower left corner) and you will have your time differential.
Originally by: Zaldung Kotimoto Also is it possible to get the 5mil back if I am unable to show up or get the skills trained in time (this should not be a problem I only have 2 or so level 1's I'm missing)? I have five mill and the potential to make more so I don't want to take anyones money but it would be all the money I have currently saved (which is fine it will be worth it I am sure)
Thanks!
I will be showing up as Maldon Pierra not the character I posted as sorry about that.
If you have real life issues that prevent you from attending the class, just post on the thread before the class starts and we will credit you so that you can take the next class that you have time for. However, those that fail to show up without informing us beforehand lose their fee. This is only fair since that student would be taking the spot from someone else.
Training the skills should take less than a week.
Isnt it time you learned how to fight back? |
Maldon Perriera
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Posted - 2006.09.07 00:42:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Rells
There are two links to make an account. The one on top is busted for reasons I have not been able to determine. Use the one on the right instead. As for the conversion from Eve time I dont know. Just look at the eve clock when you are logged on (lower left corner) and you will have your time differential.
ok I tried the one on the right as well and I got the same response. You are not authorized to perform this action. Got the page asking me if I was over 13 and clicked the box saying I was willing to abide by the procedures of the website. Still got you are not authorized to perform this action. Do I need to allow the site to put cookies on my computer? Tried it both in mozzilla and internet explorer. Thanks!
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.07 02:36:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Rells on 07/09/2006 02:37:47
Originally by: Maldon Perriera
ok I tried the one on the right as well and I got the same response. You are not authorized to perform this action. Got the page asking me if I was over 13 and clicked the box saying I was willing to abide by the procedures of the website. Still got you are not authorized to perform this action. Do I need to allow the site to put cookies on my computer? Tried it both in mozzilla and internet explorer. Thanks!
Cookies are required and dont use the back button in registering as there is a bug in postnuke with that.
Isnt it time you learned how to fight back? |
Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.07 17:06:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Maldon Perriera
ok I tried the one on the right as well and I got the same response. You are not authorized to perform this action. Got the page asking me if I was over 13 and clicked the box saying I was willing to abide by the procedures of the website. Still got you are not authorized to perform this action. Do I need to allow the site to put cookies on my computer? Tried it both in mozzilla and internet explorer. Thanks!
If you tried the busted one on the left first, make sure that you create a new account with the link on the right using a different name. After filling out the information and hitting submit, you may be taken to a blank screen saying "You are not authorized to perform this action" Thats ok, don't pay any attention to it. It should have registered the account. Now go to the home page and try logging in on the right with the user name and password of the account you just created anyway. Should work.
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Boudro
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Posted - 2006.09.08 16:50:00 -
[155]
Hi! Would love to join up..tried getting onto the Agony Website, but for some reason...couldn't. Feel free to contact me in game ....would love to take the course.
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Arrim
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Posted - 2006.09.09 14:13:00 -
[156]
Hi, I've read through the whole post and you guys got me hooked by the fact that it dosent require anything big or fancy and that the skills can easily be trained. I'm thinking of joining your basice PVP course but unfortunatly I live in GMT+8 which means that your courses are at about 2A.M. in the morning, if I did my math right, so do you guys have a Aus/SE Asia time class?
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Jollyreaper
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Posted - 2006.09.09 22:10:00 -
[157]
I love the sound of the class but I would never have 8 hours to commit to a single session. Have you guys thought of offering a cliff notes version of the class? :)
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Nova Z
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.09 23:08:00 -
[158]
We do - it's called 'Take the 3-4 hour class' on one day, and then come out and join the wolfpack on any future outing .
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Crunch Hardiron
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:03:00 -
[159]
Kirby gives this two thumbs up! (b^_^)b
..and an armadillo ..................____ ..............,/./////.~_ ............./:'/////..``:>/|/ ............|,..|.|.|.|...'/.(..e\ ...-==~-'-Xm`-mm-'.`-._\ ---- "Everyone who doesn't believe the sky is falling is an ass-kissing fanboi! EVE is going to fail, mark my words!" -Customers |
Jollyreaper
Gallente Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.11 01:14:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Nova Z We do - it's called 'Take the 3-4 hour class' on one day, and then come out and join the wolfpack on any future outing
:) Well, I'll have to save up some ISK and (more importantly) time for it! But it certainly sounds like a blast.
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Elseenas
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.11 23:55:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Elseenas on 11/09/2006 23:55:23
Originally by: Jollyreaper :) Well, I'll have to save up some ISK and (more importantly) time for it! But it certainly sounds like a blast.
It is. We go out hunting on a fairly regular basis, and more people are welcome to come along for the fun ^_^
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Lt Jacksun
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Posted - 2006.09.13 08:25:00 -
[162]
I would like to see the killboard as it really shows how good (or bad) a corp is. Spys don't learn nething from a kb except who the best and worst killers are from the corp what ships you guys are flying and where you can be found. We all know you guys only do your big ops in small frig destroyer gangs and you seem to stay in syndicate and no one can tell nething about your best and worst players becuz well you don't show your kb, so show the kb.What have you got to lose.
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mallina
Caldari Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.13 14:40:00 -
[163]
sounds like an excellent class that's well worth the ISK and time invested in it. its one thing in EVE that newbies cant really compete in pvp, so things like this really help them get a foot into the fun side.
how anyone can critisize this is really pathetic if you ask me, though. sure they might not stand a chance versus a 2-yr old inty/AF fleet of half the size, but so what? you can't be a veteran pvper instantly- everyone has to start somewhere. Thanks to this course, that start has never been so easy TBH and 5mil is nothing in the long run. ----------- <3 Turbulance |
Yoshi Toranaga
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.13 17:25:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Lt Jacksun I would like to see the killboard as it really shows how good (or bad) a corp is. Spys don't learn nething from a kb except who the best and worst killers are from the corp what ships you guys are flying and where you can be found. We all know you guys only do your big ops in small frig destroyer gangs and you seem to stay in syndicate and no one can tell nething about your best and worst players becuz well you don't show your kb, so show the kb.What have you got to lose.
To quote another player in a different thread .. "Well if that isn't the biggest load of jovian crap I've ever heard."
Killboards are there so you may see what your corpmates killed while you slept/worked/ate/had a life. To measure anything from what you read on a killboard is just plain ... well refer to the above quote.
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Lt Jacksun
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Posted - 2006.09.14 04:09:00 -
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I figured thats the answer i would get. BUt oh well I guess theres always gonna be ppl like you who always want to disargee. Its a game why not show it. No need to respond to this post. Thank you showing your true side.
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tarin adur
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Posted - 2006.09.14 06:29:00 -
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so i can just take a 3 hr class and then come back some other day for free?
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Jacksun I would like to see the killboard as it really shows how good (or bad) a corp is. Spys don't learn nething from a kb except who the best and worst killers are from the corp what ships you guys are flying and where you can be found. We all know you guys only do your big ops in small frig destroyer gangs and you seem to stay in syndicate and no one can tell nething about your best and worst players becuz well you don't show your kb, so show the kb.What have you got to lose.
No It doesent, all a killboard shows is who killed what and when. Even that can be faked. A killboard cannot tell you if the corp is fun to fly with or if they are well co-ordinated. Also some of the best scouts for example, never get on killmails at all..or rarely do that is. There only two ways to discover the true quality of any corp. Either fly with them, or spend enough time fighting them. Agony is not the biggest, but they are specialists in their chosen field. And every day they are out there practicing and improving.
P.S. Thanks for the Sig Nova.
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FragSyndrome
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Posted - 2006.09.14 07:12:00 -
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ooo a frig fleet :O sounds like fun :D
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