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Nebuli
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sever Aldaria Please keep the thread on topic.
It is on topic, youre offering a sevice for a price, and I am letting people know, as others in the thread have that what they will learn from you is not PVP as you guys cant PVP in the first place.
What you will get as I already said above is some VERY basic information that a complete noob may find usefull, but beyond this I fail to see anything you guys could possibly teach anyone as you guys simply dont PVP.
CEO - Art of War
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Guza Jojo
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Posted - 2006.08.09 23:03:00 -
[92]
No point in slamming a bunch of frigs into a brick wall of battleships.. Not to mention the skill point average is 5x or so in your favor.. Go flex e-nuts elsewhere please.. |
Nebuli
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.10 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Guza Jojo No point in slamming a bunch of frigs into a brick wall of battleships.. Not to mention the skill point average is 5x or so in your favor.. Go flex e-nuts elsewhere please..
Youre talking nonesense, how do you know its a "wall of BS" to send your frigs at? you havnt even tried....
I have min frig lv4, projectiles lv4 and have been running around in a rifter trying to get a fight from someone in your "elite pvp corp" which is how you describe yourselves, and I'm still unable to get one (have killed a couple of your guys, but they were running away rather than standing and fighting) rifter with lv4 skills, how much more or a chance do you want? shall I come out in a Ibis?
CEO - Art of War
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Miyau
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.10 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli shall I come out in a Ibis?
Yes please. It would make a change from your usual tactics of smacktalking and station hugging. |
Mao Zedong
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Posted - 2006.08.10 16:22:00 -
[95]
id really like to get in on one of these pvp classes. can you please add one for sunday august 20th? I usually work weekends but im off that day! Im sure you would get enoughfor a full class. thanks for listening.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.11 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mao Zedong id really like to get in on one of these pvp classes. can you please add one for sunday august 20th? I usually work weekends but im off that day! Im sure you would get enoughfor a full class. thanks for listening.
Sorry Mao, we have a private class scheduled that day. If you can predict a specific day on the weekend sometime in the future that would work for you, then please let us know as soon as possible so that we can schedule a class that you are able to attend. At least 2 weeks in advance is prefered.
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Mao Zedong
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Posted - 2006.08.11 15:49:00 -
[97]
ok ill do that. how much are private lessons?
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.11 17:43:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Tityana Heres some footage (i know its not the best!)of one of rells' classes in action. (also stars VETO)
Enjoy!
Nice kill though the music was a bit obnoxious. Actually all things considered i tanked that pilgrim brutix and terranis quite a long time. Hmm Im gonna have to remember that setup. But you got to predict that if you throw that much hardware at a Hawk alone you would be able to take it down. I would think it only noteworthy if the AF got away or won the fight. Otherwise that is just too much force for an AF to handle.
And BTW this was just after an again wolfpack, not in a class.
By the way, just a tip, next time right click on the target ship and set as interest and then you dont have to do all that manual rotation of the view plane to catch the shot. To make this work you will have to enable the advanced camera menu in the options. However, you get an even cooler shot if you set the target as parent and then you will see it up close and personal with the attackers orbiting.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.11 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 11/08/2006 19:23:03
Originally by: Mao Zedong ok ill do that. how much are private lessons?
Normally we don't give private lessons to just one or two or three or even 10 people. If it weren't for a corp sending us many of their members on the 20th then we wouldn't be giving the private lesson. Its similar to universities not hiring a professor to teach a class when only 5 people have enrolled in it. Rather, they cancel that class and those 5 people have to pick a different time that class is offered.
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Quen Azle
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Posted - 2006.08.13 15:16:00 -
[100]
I've taken an Agony class, and considering the risk/reward involved, it had to be one of the most enjoyable experiences I've ever had in Eve. 5 Mil. isn't really that much, and the class serves as an excellent introduction to PvP for many people that're unfamiliar with it.
I constantly kept getting flashbacks of my old EQ guild raiding days, and it was good to see the same level of organization put into this game.
Highly Recommended.
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Sibah
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Posted - 2006.08.13 17:35:00 -
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I took the Aug 12th class last night and I was so impressed by the Agony Unleashed pilots. You guys know your stuff and it was an exciting and enlightening experience. I learned some very important things and the pvp in 0.0 was an adrenaline rush! I will be back as often as possible.
I recommend this course 100%
Sib
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.13 21:20:00 -
[102]
Updated for September 2nd Class.
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Sonos SAGD
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.14 05:36:00 -
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hold me a place in the sept 2 one
i am at work and cannot do an offical sign up ----------------------------------------------- I lost 5 sp of skill trainning time during the last patch an i demand that ccp refund it to me |
Noluck Ned
Gallente Benevolent Association of Miners and Mercs Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.14 09:12:00 -
[104]
I have flown with the AGONY crew twice now. Firstly as a student and then as a returning graduate.
I learned a load of things, even the second time I went along.
I am still a noob even with my 9 months ingame, but I am no stranger to pvp, I have been fighting often since I started but I have never had a corpmate or another vet who sat me down and explained things to me. I came to the PVP University with an open mind. I left with a load of new tips and tricks up my sleeve.
But now to debunk many of the smack talkers who have posted in this thread without having their facts straight:
Agony do NOT run from fights until the odds are overwhelming and even then they try to get a kill in before trying a tactical retreat.
They are NOT afraid of multiple Battleships unless it is utterly pointless to engage.
They are courteous and professional in their approach to the training and in their responses to threats/Abuse from local.
When you fly with them you are in a frigate FLEET, not a frigate BLOB: Huge Difference.
How do I know they dont back away from sometimes overwhelming odds? Easy, I was there to see it myself.
Saturday night was a little bit slow on the syndicate pipes, we had killed a few ships earlier, including an Armageddon who had fitted out with smartbombs to come after us specifically(when will they learn?) but things were really quiet. One of the reasons was that BOB had a gang moving up and down in the area as well. Our intel painted a bleak picture: 2 Mega's, a Tempest, a Sleipnir a pair of Huggins, a dictor and some inties/Af's..hmm think there was a vagabond in that lot too. We dodged em for the first part of the evening and were able to find a few cheap cruisers to kill. Things started to stagnate however and a group of students decided to call it a night and left. The rest of the gang set up a camp. Then reports came in that the BOB gang was on the move, heading our way. We had about 20 frigs left, so the call was made to try to get at least one of em no matter what. So we waited there in the full knowledge that we were about to get into a fight we had very very little hope of winning. All too soon the gate activated, first through was a taranis driven by someone who has just got to have snake implants, I saw him at a transversal of well over 7kms. He stayed out of reach and we waited for the main gang. We didnt have very long to wait, moments later the gate activated and a Tempest uncloaked and was targetted, seconds later the gate went mad with incoming activations and local spiked severely.
We hit the tempest with all we had. A dictor bubble was dropped in the middle of everything. We got through the shields on the tempest and into his armor......and thats as far as we got. BOB started fighting back and frigates started popping left and right. I had one of those Zen moments that EVE can sometimes deliver, I saw the gangmate directly ahead of me go boom, I literally flew through his flaming wreckage, guns blazing, all the time still hoping we might pop the guy. Alas it was not meant to be and our losses steadily climbed. Finally the order was given to get out. When the order came I was actually inside an interdictor sphere at the time, I clicked at the nearest thing dead ahead and flew my ass out of there at full speed. I was just being targetted by someone as my warp drive kicked in and my lil red enyo made it out alive.
We reformed at a safespot with only 6 frigates remaining and 7 guys in pods. I think we lost about 10 gang members in total to BOB losses of None.
In short, that time around, we got our clock cleaned. Still: Our kills for the night includes an Ishtar, a geddon and a crow among others. Approx isk destroyed was well over 250 mill(Gistii MWD on the crow, poor sod) in exchange for 10 frigates and pods this must surely go down as one of agony's bigger losses: A Loss not a Defeat. We went in knowing full well that we had almost no chance, I cant help but thi
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Noluck Ned
Gallente Benevolent Association of Miners and Mercs Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.14 09:15:00 -
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I cant help but think that if a hac had jumped in first instead of the Tempest, we might well have gotten a kill. Nobody forced any of us to stay on the gate when we knew what was coming in. And a few of us, including myself, were risking T2 ships in that confrontation.
On a normal night however we would obviously have tried to go wait for them to pass and picked up different targets, but the class was almost over anyway and we felt like a fight.
Respect to BOB for a great smack free fight and a lesson in what the limitations of frig wolfpacks are. Respect to all my gang mates on that gate, thanks for not being afraid to go down in flames.
Both myself and my Corporation wholeheartedly endorse Agony Unleashed and PVP University. It is our recommedation to corp CEO's that you send your new pilots to them for training. Also to all miners/builders/NON-PVPers: Try it out, you might just enjoy yourselves.
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Nova Z
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.14 13:25:00 -
[106]
Why do the best fights ALWAYS happen after i've logged?
Great description of the night, Ned! .
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Skyly
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.14 17:53:00 -
[107]
Would like to sponsor someone through this course.
Will pay the 5 mill for the first to evemail me. Will also pay 1 mill for each Goon the sponsored member lays the final blow on
*Skyly awaits flashing mail spam
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.15 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 15/08/2006 01:55:28 I'm sponsoring a noob through this course as well; however, you have to, for my personal amusement, tell me why I should sponsor you.
Mail me.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.16 20:40:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Nova Z Why do the best fights ALWAYS happen after i've logged?
Great description of the night, Ned!
I know the feeling. I go AFG a while and thez kill 2 ishtars!!!
◄ PvP University: Isnt it time you learned how to fight back? |
Deimm
Caldari Ocean Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.08.17 07:57:00 -
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I signed up for this class a few months ago and ended up not getting to attend due to real life issues and didnĘt get a chance to let Rells know that I couldnĘt make it.
After I got back I sent Rells a PM explaining what had happened and he was more then happy to help me out and gave me credit to the next class. Thanks Rells!
Great class BTW. Even if you already know every thing they are teaching witch I highly doubt you do you well still have fun in the after course PvP.
I signed up for a wolfpack class but again got unlucky and couldnĘt attend. Computer died!!! I mean just died wouldnĘt boot up. After about a week the class passed and I finely got my computer up and running again. I didnĘt feel it would be right for me to ask for a credit again...
Rules are rules and I was glad to get in on the Pvp basic class on credit but it would feel wrong being let through on credit for the wolfpack class... I want to attend the wolf pack class real bad so as soon as I get a new video card so I can play I plan to pay the course cost again... ItĘs well worth it!
Rells I canĘt wait to get a chance to take the wolf pack classą Just got to get the cash for a video card! Cya there!
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Donmadefy
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Posted - 2006.08.17 15:20:00 -
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I'm very tempted. I've always liked the idea of a frigate fleet. I'll check my finances and available time...
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voxen
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.08.17 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: voxen on 17/08/2006 16:13:23 ok, just for fun I'll sponsor 10 fitted frigates (t1, any race possible) for the good cause to people interested (to be picked up in Gelfiven, Molden Heath though :))
Eve mail me if you want one (and somehow can proove you want it for the course ofcourse)
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Taipan Gedscho
Taipan Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.17 17:39:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
im sorry to say that... but to me that sounds stupid...
its like you were telling a medical student in first semester "NOW take that effin scalpel and open his abdomen! NOW! and then see where all your studying got you!"
if you didnt sound that serious i really would have laughed.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Deimm I signed up for a wolfpack class but again got unlucky and couldnĘt attend. Computer died!!! I mean just died wouldnĘt boot up. After about a week the class passed and I finely got my computer up and running again. I didnĘt feel it would be right for me to ask for a credit again...
Rules are rules and I was glad to get in on the Pvp basic class on credit but it would feel wrong being let through on credit for the wolfpack class... I want to attend the wolf pack class real bad so as soon as I get a new video card so I can play I plan to pay the course cost again... ItĘs well worth it!
Hey, its not a problem. So long as you've paid for the course, we owe you the service until you sign up and take it. No need to pay a 2nd time. We do appreciate it when people let us know ahead of time if they can't make a class but they still have credit either way. As there is a maximum number of people that can be on ventrilo and hence come along, it just meant that one more of our alumni was happy to be able to tag along, so you made his day. You're not obligated at all to pay a 2nd time for a class but if you personally feel that you "should" then thats fine. We'll just consider it a donation. Looking forward to having ya
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Zetaa
Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 01:06:00 -
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I am thinking about signing up for the class, but I have a few questions too. I have read a bit of this thread and seen mention of other classes. Do you guys have a website or a thread somewhere listing your classes and other things you offer?
I do want to learn how to use my frigates better, but I am also interested in extending that up the line. I figure for each step up I take, I'd like to get the most from that step.
Anyway, the skill requirements you list are pretty easy, so, if I have them all in time, I'll sign up.
Thanks in advance for any extra info you can give me. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. |
Stein Voorhees
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.18 07:39:00 -
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Zetaa,
Check out www.agony-unleashed.com
Cheers,
Stein.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zetaa I am thinking about signing up for the class, but I have a few questions too. I have read a bit of this thread and seen mention of other classes. Do you guys have a website or a thread somewhere listing your classes and other things you offer?
I do want to learn how to use my frigates better, but I am also interested in extending that up the line. I figure for each step up I take, I'd like to get the most from that step.
Anyway, the skill requirements you list are pretty easy, so, if I have them all in time, I'll sign up.
Thanks in advance for any extra info you can give me.
As mentioned, you can view our website at www.agony-unleashed.com We offer two classes at this time. PVP-BASIC teaching the basics of pvp and frigates, and PVP-WOLFPACKS teaching more advanced strategies (especially tactical use of bookmarks) and the use of Destroyers. We'll probably have other classes in the future but you won't see us giving a PVP-BATTLESHIPS/BATTLECRUISERS/OTHERTORTOISE-LIKESHIPS.
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Tas Devil
JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 28/07/2006 18:30:44 edit: You won't listen anyway. I'll shorten it for you.
Think what you are teaching makes any real difference? Bring your next class to my area. Bring the entire class. Let's see what 20-30 frigates are going to do against a real threat, not single individual fights of 20v1or2. A real battle. Because until they experience a real fight, they won't understand that what you've taught them isn't going to keep them alive when their 20 frigates and crusiers are under focused fire from 15-20 battleships and battlecruisers.
You my young man have issues... and forgot you were a noob one day too... probably still are and the only skill you have is probably calling primaries from the safety of your 15 sniping BS gang...
The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :) |
Dracolich
North Star Networks Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:01:00 -
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Awesome idea. And 5 mil isk is like nothing in this day and age in Eve. Kudos to Agony Unleashed for doing this. _______________________________________
Does killing the weak, make you feel strong? |
Zetaa
Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sever Aldaria
As mentioned, you can view our website at www.agony-unleashed.com We offer two classes at this time. PVP-BASIC teaching the basics of pvp and frigates, and PVP-WOLFPACKS teaching more advanced strategies (especially tactical use of bookmarks) and the use of Destroyers. We'll probably have other classes in the future but you won't see us giving a PVP-BATTLESHIPS/BATTLECRUISERS/OTHERTORTOISE-LIKESHIPS.
Awww, you should do the higher level ships, even if they are slow as all get out. At least to battleship, I don't know how many people would show up for PVP-DREADNOUGHT with shiney new DNs.
But, I'd be happy with just up to PVP-CRUISER even. ^^
It basically comes to this. I like my destroyer (Coercer), and so I will likely go for the WOLFPACK if I enjoy myself in the BASIC class. I am also working towards assault frigates, and since I have Frigate V, I can also go to covert ops, stealth bombers and interceptors. Not that I can afford one of any of those yet, mind you. But classes for PVP in them would be most handy down the road. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved. |
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