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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.17 02:31:00 -
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Greetings all,
Agony-Unleashed PVP University continues to offer it's public service to the EVE-Online community. With our PVP BASIC class, we introduce the basics of PVP, teamwork, and tactics with frigates to our students (both new and old players) and give them the opportunity to put into practice what they've learned as they feel the rush of pvp, perhaps the greatest aspect of EVE.
This is a great course for players with prior pvp experience who are interested in seeing a new side of pvp but, it is also perfect couse even for newbies as well as we have proved time and time again that you don't need big expensive ships, T2 equipment, or tons of skill points to get into pvp. We have been providing this in-game service for about 5 months now and it has been recommended time and time again by the over 400 players now who have taken our classes with many compliments, no complaints, and many good memories.
Isn't it about time you learned how to fight back?
Just click here to get started
This course covers how to move in fleets, Make instas, create and use safe spots, reconnaissance and much more. You will learn the basics of how to tackle, coordinate your attacks, jam your opponents and basic pvp fitting. In addition, you will learn how to set up your overview to make sure that you can fight effectively without stupid mistakes made be pilots new to PvP. Finally, You will learn how to prioritize your skill training to make you more capable in PvP. At the enf of the course you will be able to effectively fight as a member of a tech 1 frigate fleet wolfpack, some of the most fun pvp in the game. During the course we will be flying in a PvP capacity in lowsec space as well as potentially 0.0 space in one of two pirate infested regions.
* Course Code: BASIC-2907061900
* Required Skills:
1. Propulsion Jamming 1
2. Afterburner 1
3. Racial Frigate 3
4. Sensor Linking 1
5. Warp Drive Operation 3
6. Target Painting 1
7. Weapon Disruption 1
8. Electronic Warfare 1
* Required Equipment: Detailed in PVP-BASIC forum
* Cost: 5m isk Per pilot. Each pilot can bring up to 2 friends with them for 2.5m isk each. That is three people for the price of two, a perfect chance to get your corp mates involved. Please note that your buddy must also register and post here and you must declare them to be your buddy in your enrollment post!
* Duration: Estimated 3 hours instruction plus undefined amount of flight time putting what you have learned to use!
* Instructor: Rasql
* Location: Stacmon
* Minimum Enrollment: 15 Students
* Enrollment Cap: 35 Students
* Send ISK To: Kesro
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Farrellus Cameron
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:17:00 -
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This class is brilliant. I took it on July 1st and loved it. Tagged along with the class on July 16th and learned a few extra things, as well as having another good time. A little slow for the first couple of hours because of getting everyone ready and teaching the basics, but once you jump into 0.0 it's amazing. Want to kill BS's and HAC's with a frigate? It's a great experience, especially if you want to do something more interesting than just overloading a really expensive ship and turning your mods on. I'm not even big on PvP, but I make an exception for this.
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Zarta Blastaphart
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:19:00 -
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Even if your an experienced PVP pilot, I'd recommend this course just for the pure entertainment value! For those new to the game, or to PVP, it's a great way to get your feet wet, and learn that you really don't need to, and probably shouldn't try to, get into that Battleship "tomorrow".
Instead, train your learning, engineering, electronics, mechanics, navigation and chosen weapons systems and FRIGATE V, and run a small boat for awhile. You'll be a better, deadlier foe in the long run for doing so.
It's the best 5 million ISK I've spent in EVE to date. Educational, and a whole boatload of fun!
Regards
Zarta
CEO
RAM Technology
Agony-Unleahed PVP University Graduates Welcomed !
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nut gatherer
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:01:00 -
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The only thing I can think of this course as I have run across them multiple times is they run if there's more than 1 battleship. (Even if they have their own battleship), and they fight using LAG tactics. jumped into a system with them in it to fight these guys. in my own interceptor took 15! SECONDS TO LOCK A FRIGATE. and no I wasn't dampened or anything. they didn't even notice me. So yes you can learn to PVP b/c I will admit these guys can pwn BS's, and HAC'S and any other ship, but overall be prepared to run if a corp comes with more than 3 ships to fight you guys.
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Gemini Zero
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:13:00 -
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I took PVP-BASIC two weeks ago and learned so much during the class, but more importantly had a ton of fun after the class. Since graduates can tag along for free during future classes I joined up with them yesterday as well and as expected had a blast.
If 5m ISK is chump change to you, there is no reason why you would want to pass up on an experiance like this. I was literally with for 8 hours fine tuning my PvP skills.
If 5m ISK is a big deal to you, I highly recommend thinking twice before you spend half your wallet to make the leap to a cruiser. Instead take this course. They'll teach you to be way more effective in a frigate than you could be with barely enough skills to operate a cruiser.
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 23:09:00 -
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 Originally by: nut gatherer
The only thing I can think of this course as I have run across them multiple times is they run if there's more than 1 battleship. (Even if they have their own battleship), and they fight using LAG tactics. jumped into a system with them in it to fight these guys. in my own interceptor took 15! SECONDS TO LOCK A FRIGATE. and no I wasn't dampened or anything. they didn't even notice me. So yes you can learn to PVP b/c I will admit these guys can pwn BS's, and HAC'S and any other ship, but overall be prepared to run if a corp comes with more than 3 ships to fight you guys.
1) The only time we have had a BS is last night when a corp member was trying his hardest to collect insurance but didnt manage it. 
2) The fleet last night had several sensor dampeners and that is why you couldnt target us.
3) Go to the store and buy some balls; and then post with your main.
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Zarta Blastaphart
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Posted - 2006.07.18 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zarta Blastaphart on 18/07/2006 07:43:55
Originally by: nut gatherer
be prepared to run if a corp comes with more than 3 ships to fight you guys
LMAO .. I imagine that would depend on the "ships", but never-the-less ...
A commander that chooses his battles, vastly increases his chance of victory, only fools, the desperate, and the occassional "nut" do otherwise.
One only needs the briefest knowledge of history and military tactics to understand the aforementioned concept.
Zarta
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 07:53:00 -
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EVE NEEDS MORE PIWATS !!!
So on that note 
CEO of DNC would like to offer a hand of love to any new players wishing to take up a career of piracy 
Fancy flying on this course run by Rells ? (Who ive never met, and know jack **** about to be honest... but the course looks good)
Eve-mail me in game, And i'l sponser up to 3 players to participate. Please include in your eve-mail for my own amusement why THOU should be given a free 5mill !
Alliaanna
Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
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Fancy flying on this course run by Rells ? (Who ive never met, and know jack **** about to be honest... but the course looks good)
Eve-mail me in game, And i'l sponser up to 3 players to participate. Please include in your eve-mail for my own amusement why THOU should be given a free 5mill !
Alliaanna
That is generous of you. 
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:27:00 -
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Yeah or stoopid, i'm bloody poor 
Oh.... DO NOT eve-mail this charachter, it will never be read never mind answered. Eve-mail the CEO of this corp and he will get back to you
Alliaanna
Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
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nut gatherer
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:26:00 -
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The sensor dampener idea is great except I jumped in about 20 seconds after the fight began so no one would have been able to target my crow and dampen me in time to delay me THAT much. plus in addition. if someone is trying to collect insurance, then how come whenever he was locked. away warped the ENTIRE group. They don't even stay around to fight unless they outnumber a massive amount. and when one gets popped the whole fleet warps away to safespot.
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: nut gatherer
The sensor dampener idea is great except I jumped in about 20 seconds after the fight began so no one would have been able to target my crow and dampen me in time to delay me THAT much. plus in addition. if someone is trying to collect insurance, then how come whenever he was locked. away warped the ENTIRE group. They don't even stay around to fight unless they outnumber a massive amount. and when one gets popped the whole fleet warps away to safespot.
Life is full of mysteries.
- Why didnt you target us for 40 seconds?
- Why did we warp away and choose to fight engagements on our terms rather than let opponets dictate terms of the engagement?
- Why wont we warp a gang into a sure suicide wipeout?
- Why wont you post with your main when I know you MUST be from WR3CK given your description of the fight?
- Why wont you acknowledge that a bunch of PvP Newbies blasted three WR3CK cruisers to space dust and almost a Typhoon as well (who jumped out in 20% armor)?
- Why did PVP-BASIC kill 2 battleships (including a smartbomber ... when will they ever learn?) and several cruisers and other assorted stuff?
- Why is water wet?
- Why is the sky blue?
- Why am I posting a response to a clear forum troll without the courage to post with his main?
So many mysteries in our world. *sigh*
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jaefron
Disciples Of The Night
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: nut gatherer
The sensor dampener idea is great except I jumped in about 20 seconds after the fight began so no one would have been able to target my crow and dampen me in time to delay me THAT much. plus in addition. if someone is trying to collect insurance, then how come whenever he was locked. away warped the ENTIRE group. They don't even stay around to fight unless they outnumber a massive amount. and when one gets popped the whole fleet warps away to safespot.
Life is full of mysteries.
- Why didnt you target us for 40 seconds?
- Why did we warp away and choose to fight engagements on our terms rather than let opponets dictate terms of the engagement?
- Why wont we warp a gang into a sure suicide wipeout?
- Why wont you post with your main when I know you MUST be from WR3CK given your description of the fight?
- Why wont you acknowledge that a bunch of PvP Newbies blasted three WR3CK cruisers to space dust and almost a Typhoon as well (who jumped out in 20% armor)?
- Why did PVP-BASIC kill 2 battleships (including a smartbomber ... when will they ever learn?) and several cruisers and other assorted stuff?
- Why is water wet?
- Why is the sky blue?
- Why am I posting a response to a clear forum troll without the courage to post with his main?
So many mysteries in our world. *sigh*
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.18 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: jaefron
[...] of the PVP engagements available and you ran on each of them
Ah, story time.
Pretty close but not quite as I recall. Its true that you did jump in while we were on the gate and broke cloak all at once and proceeded to hammer on my suicide scorpion. The gang warped away while I jumped and all of you being agressed could not follow (I wanted to make you work for the kill which I didn't get in the end ). Shortly after one of your Ravens jumped through as I jumped back. Now I'm waiting on the other side while cloaked from the jump. Wr3ck had 1 dominix battleship, 1 typhoon battleship, 2 caracal cruisers, and 1 thorax cruiser. Those are the ships I remember but there might have been one more. The gang warps in on you and at the same time, I break cloak and bee-line for one of the caracals which is being attacked by the gang. The Caracal jumps. Ok, attack the other one. Oh, it jumped. Now the Typhoon jumped. Kill the thorax. I can't target him. Oh he jumped. So did the Dominix. Where did all the targets go? So in that engagement, Wr3ck fled from us when we started our counterattack. I wouldn't really call what both our fleets did as "running away" as we seemed to counter-attack each other. Seemed almost like a fun game of tag going back and forth. Long story short, several student frigates were killed (2 or 3 I think?) but they killed 2 caracals and a thorax.
That was a unique PVP BASIC class because of the suicide decoy scorpion. I had that battleship around from the last corp I was in for pirate security while my alt mined. Since I got into lvl 4 missions, I've been doing a lot better than when I was mining so the barge is useless to me now. So far as the scorpion goes, it isn't all that good for pve. We don't use anything bigger than destroyers in pvp so scorpion was also useless to me but it was insured so I wanted to blow it up for money. I figured that I might as well have as much fun as I could blowing it up
so I put some mods on it I had around:
4 cruise missile launchers
2 heavy nos
100mn microwarp drive
sensor booster
6 multispectral jammers (probably should have gone with shield extenders or something considering I more sat there as a target for distraction)
4 nanofiber internal structure I's
I didn't plan on it, but it turned out to be like a matador (bullfighter) waving the red cape at the opposing fleet (bulls).
Glad that it served its purpose by being anoying but I had intended for it to pop (with effort from the opposing side of course). If Wr3ck is up for it sometime, get your biggest guns together and I'll fly up to EC-P8R (I've seen you guys around there mostly) and lets see if my scorpion (no shield extenders) can be 1-shoted or something fun like that. You can pod me if you like afterward, I don't care. Saves me a trip back home. Till we meet again,
o7
Originally by: jaefron
[...]I tried to warn the smartbomber that you guys were smarter than that and better trained than to fly in range
He almost made it to the gate till my nanofiber'd mwd suicide scorpion bumped him at least 10km away. Although thinking about it in retrospec, it probably wasn't the best idea on my part as I could have bumped him in smartbomb range of orbiting students
Originally by: jaefron
- Why is the sky blue? b/c it's better than pink
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jaefron
Disciples Of The Night
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:21:00 -
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Honestly though. I myself enjoy flying around and seeing rells in system as that means the agony group is out and about. once the intel comes in, we gather ships together to come fight you guys. give you a fleet experience. so we lose a few ships...big deal. we have iskies to replace them. We just like PVP and it's frustrating. BTW...from my knowledge. we jumped into PF to attack you guys, you jumped to the other side, and all the friggies we had flying around us warped away to a safespot. I didn't even get my merlin kill. got him to almost structure before you guys warped. The lag monster is EBIL and obviously in cahoots against my ship
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Hugo Strange
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:38:00 -
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i was in that fleet and i loved the game of tag we had  although getting blasted by a gang mate (no names  ) when i locked him to repair his armour wasnt fun!
The smart bombing geddon? no one can be noob enough to fall for that 1 trick pony!
this class was definatley the most fun I've had for a long time
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hugo Strange
i was in that fleet and i loved the game of tag we had although getting blasted by a gang mate (no names ) when i locked him to repair his armour wasnt fun!
The smart bombing geddon? no one can be noob enough to fall for that 1 trick pony!
this class was definatley the most fun I've had for a long time
Hehehe ... he learned not to target except through overview. Clicking in space 4TL. Its all a learning process. Some days we have good days, other days it is slow. It just depends on a billion things including luck.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:33:00 -
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just signed up - even if i learn only one new thing, it sounds like a very, very fun event :)
This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations
Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah
Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon!
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Kazoki Zocore
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Posted - 2006.07.19 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kazoki Zocore on 19/07/2006 22:39:11
I'd love to sign up for your classes but Saturday's are a very bad day for me at the time. Actually, I can't think of the next time I'll have a weekend free at that time.
Sounds awesome though.
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Sever Aldaria
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:58:00 -
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Glad to see so many interested players =) We've hit our enrollment Cap for the July 29th PVP BASIC class so this class is closed to new applicants. However, we are enrolling for the August 6th PVP BASIC class and its good to see people already signing up for that class! Original Post has been updated with information and link to the August 6th Class. Looking forward to it \o
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Farrellus Cameron
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 02:43:00 -
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Wow, I can't believe you guys maxed out for the 29th already. I guess your stellar reputation has been spreading like wildfire. It is well deserved.
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Semkhet
KR0M
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.07.21 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Semkhet on 21/07/2006 07:43:41
Originally by: jaefron
Honestly though. I myself enjoy flying around and seeing rells in system as that means the agony group is out and about. once the intel comes in, we gather ships together to come fight you guys. give you a fleet experience. so we lose a few ships...big deal. we have iskies to replace them. We just like PVP and it's frustrating. BTW...from my knowledge. we jumped into PF to attack you guys, you jumped to the other side, and all the friggies we had flying around us warped away to a safespot. I didn't even get my merlin kill. got him to almost structure before you guys warped. The lag monster is EBIL and obviously in cahoots against my ship
Use rapiers and flycatchers:
A single rapier can web up to 6 ships at 40 Km, and with a base locking range of 100 Km, two T1 damps will not break its locks. There's enough grid to put 6x X5 webbers, 3x 650 Art T2, MAR T2 and hardeners and/or membranes.
Flycatchers with T2 standard launchers can unleash 760 dp per volley using precision ammo at up to 50 Km every 9 secs. You only need one of your flycatchers releasing the sphere, all the other ones may be purely setup for damage and can fit a BCS II in the low slot for better ROF and damage.
Just don't get close since lag always benefits to the group who has the biggest numbers.
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Yorick Downe
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Posted - 2006.07.21 17:22:00 -
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Sounds scrumptuous, Semkhet! We all love a good challenge, there's no better way to hone tactics, discipline and skill. Awesome enemies 4TW!
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Edited by: Semkhet on 21/07/2006 07:43:41
Use rapiers and flycatchers:
A single rapier can web up to 6 ships at 40 Km, and with a base locking range of 100 Km, two T1 damps will not break its locks. There's enough grid to put 6x X5 webbers, 3x 650 Art T2, MAR T2 and hardeners and/or membranes.
Flycatchers with T2 standard launchers can unleash 760 dp per volley using precision ammo at up to 50 Km every 9 secs. You only need one of your flycatchers releasing the sphere, all the other ones may be purely setup for damage and can fit a BCS II in the low slot for better ROF and damage.
Just don't get close since lag always benefits to the group who has the biggest numbers.
How much tech 2 hardware are you going to use to intercept a bunch of tech 1 frigs? If we kill even one of them we win. One tech 2 fitted flycatcher is worth more than the entire class fleet.
We dont teach our students to sit at 50km and be victims, we teach how to counter the tactics that are commonly thrown at them. PvP is more than ISK + F1 -> F8.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:02:00 -
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Rells, why not do a special lesson and start your class in Hodrold? N-Rael is a nice place to have your class. A change of scenary.
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Rells
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Rells, why not do a special lesson and start your class in Hodrold? N-Rael is a nice place to have your class. A change of scenary.
Never been there in all my time playing eve across 3 mains!
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Javoni Vaylun
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:34:00 -
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I was wondering if someone was still sponsoring pilots? If so, I'd really want to learn to fight. Since I'm new to everything I figured it'll be good to learn the right stuff frist. It'll be better than trying to figure it out myself and being totally wrong and still clueless.
If not, I wonder how long many missions I'd have to run to make 5 million.
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Semkhet
KR0M
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
How much tech 2 hardware are you going to use to intercept a bunch of tech 1 frigs? If we kill even one of them we win. One tech 2 fitted flycatcher is worth more than the entire class fleet.
We dont teach our students to sit at 50km and be victims, we teach how to counter the tactics that are commonly thrown at them. PvP is more than ISK + F1 -> F8.
Rells, I will tell this with kindness: there's a world out there where using T2 is normal, and where what T2 seems to be to you is what faction and officer gear is to us...
Altought your massive numbers & cheap hardware can be effective in some circumstances, you obviously never where engaged by a disciplined veteran corp who would have decided to systematically destroy your forces. If the fact that you casually blow 1 or 2 HAC's here, and 1 or 2 battleships there by using up to 40 T1 frigs makes you feel like you have discovered the Graal of EVE's warfare, let it be so.
PvP is more than isk & F1-F8 ? Correct. PvP depends of the sum of your isk, skills, experience and intelligence. If you think that you can take any of these 4 elements out of the equation, you will confront the hard truth soon or later
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Sosus Red
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 03:19:00 -
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The other day I recall, we had a gang of about 10 and took on 3 well equiped ships from an well known Alliance and came out victorious.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 09:07:00 -
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i really like what you guys are doing, awesome way to get more pvpers up and going
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