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Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:05:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Ron Bacardi wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ron Bacardi wrote:Whining crybabies in this thread. And people that know this was baloney. This has some major ethical problems with that loot. Hows that screaming like a child going "I cant hear you" with fingers in his ears working out for you? Those aren't fingers, it's tech and trillions of ISK, but keep on crying peasant. We're all listening. PLEX are an in-game item and don't have any more real world value than a Thorax or an Avatar. Plex has a real world value ans it is purchased for a set amount. A thorax does not as it cannot be bought with IRL money. Nex items have IRL values as they amount of Aur you can get for a plex is fixed. 1 Aur has an IRL cash value. No other items in the game have and IRL value, just and isk value.
Plex doesnt have any real world value. Try popping down the shops with your 'plex' and see what you can buy with it.
The answer is: nothing.
C.
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:05:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:I wouldnt be surprised if this ran afoul of possibly gambling laws or some tax laws since those items have a cash value. wtf!? I was listening (reading) your whine for awhile, sort of trying to see your POV.
But Gambling laws????? Tax laws?????
You're an absolute idiot! No joke. Just shutup ffs.
CCP. I wasn't there (Aussie also) but you gave me something to watch and read about. GJ.
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Ron Bacardi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
5
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:05:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Ron Bacardi wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ron Bacardi wrote:Whining crybabies in this thread. And people that know this was baloney. This has some major ethical problems with that loot. Hows that screaming like a child going "I cant hear you" with fingers in his ears working out for you? Those aren't fingers, it's tech and trillions of ISK, but keep on crying peasant. We're all listening. PLEX are an in-game item and don't have any more real world value than a Thorax or an Avatar. Plex has a real world value ans it is purchased for a set amount. A thorax does not as it cannot be bought with IRL money. Nex items have IRL values as they amount of Aur you can get for a plex is fixed. 1 Aur has an IRL cash value. No other items in the game have and IRL value, just and isk value.
Oops, sorry, I meant to say "We're all laughing". My apologies for the confusion, don't want you to think I actually care about your problems.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:05:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:So let's recap.
The loot thieves had a field day.
PL had a field day.
The paste-eating fanbois had a field day.
The km whores had a field day (you'd add 200b or so to your ISK killed total if you managed to ***** all the mails.)
Everyone else ended up saying 'wtf, AkJon was right again.' EVE died a little more today. Stop peeing in the sandbox, CCP! If you want to bring a fleet through, fine. T1 battlecruisers, t2 fit, t1 rigs, (regular)faction ammo, 3% implants. No UBER drops!
I have nothing against devs interacting with the playerbase and enjoyed meeting a few of y'all at the Austin meet-up. But stop displaying such open contempt for the game we play.
You are raging again. That aside, who are you to decide how anyone, dev or not, can fit their ships or carry in their holds? Why, if they are looking for people to bring a fight to them, wouldn't they sweeten the pot a bit (which they did without breaking game mechanics). Since when do you get to decide all the terms of an engagement? Did it ever occur that they may have been trying to fit in a way to last longer and give more people a chance to participate? You seem to have no grasp of the sandbox while berating others for using it. |
Tam Althor
Commonwealth Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:06:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Awox Blueshooter wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Actually I was asking you for feedback on how the system should be improved... It's an honest question as we want to be able to improve upon what we do. Who is this "we" you're referring to just so I'm clear?
we = ppl who pay REAL MONEY to play this game who dont like it when other ppl who just run incursions and pay isk to play get ccp devs flying to there doorstep to drop billions of loot. u have a history with goons and hearing this from u just confirms suspicions. there needs to be a ia investigation to make sure everything was done randomly or we cant trust u [email protected]They can sort you out.
Perfect response CCP Sreegs, I think I will also send a mail to IA suggesting they respond to his email with a STFU. I was not able to join in the fun due to work, but reading about it gave me a few laughs. I love seeing that the CCP devs are actually interacting with the players and bringing some fun into the game. Would love to see this on a weekend or NA TZ though so I can get my own loss mail with devs on it :) |
Tam Althor
Commonwealth Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:06:00 -
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damn double post |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
179
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:15:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:
No it was completely unethical due to the fact Items with real money value were used. And needs to be addressed.
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Well, I wasn't there and didn't get any phat loot.
However, all of these expressions of :butthurt: are greatly entertaining. Therefore I hope these events continue indefinitely.
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Xavier Holtzman
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:20:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Awox Blueshooter wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Actually I was asking you for feedback on how the system should be improved... It's an honest question as we want to be able to improve upon what we do. Who is this "we" you're referring to just so I'm clear?
we = ppl who pay REAL MONEY to play this game who dont like it when other ppl who just run incursions and pay isk to play get ccp devs flying to there doorstep to drop billions of loot. u have a history with goons and hearing this from u just confirms suspicions. there needs to be a ia investigation to make sure everything was done randomly or we cant trust u [email protected]They can sort you out. Thats awfully passive aggressive of you. Guess you had not real interest in talking to us as players. You can see the legitimate ethical concerns we as players have about this? Or are we just going to be ignored?
Talking to us as players? You remind me of the mentally ill people I used to work with at the State Psychiatric hospital. They would scream and cry and whine at us because they didn't get an extra cookie for snack, then scream and cry and whine at us because we weren't responding to their ridiculous demands as if we were their mother.
You'll get better responses with honey rather than vinegar. |
John Caesse
Navy of Xoc The Remnant Legion
97
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:21:00 -
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ITT: CCP pleases 99.9% of EVE, and the remaining 0.01% complain for 19 pages. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:21:00 -
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Way to go CCP. I like that you roll up your sleeves and play your own game. Please do it again sometime.
~~Shizuken |
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:30:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: Just so I'm understanding this correctly, can you confirm that your statement is that because we dropped some items for people to loot in the arena during this single event in a single system in a rather large videogame we were insulting everyone who couldn't be there?
Do you have any suggestions for how this could be improved upon?
It's a difficult question and I'm very curious to hear opinions about improvement.
Remember AURORA?
How about this scenario: CCP fleet appears in system. 30 seconds later a huge Goon fleet hotdrops into the system, wipes the board and scoops up everything before anybody else has time to react upon the event. Later it is "leaked" that Goonfleet was informed in advance or had an insider informing over MSN where and when the CCP fleet will arrive. Everybody suspects CCP Sreegs.
With no loot like PLEX and fancy pants involved, this scenario will provoke a much smaller burst of forum rage. Trust me. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
411
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:35:00 -
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this was fun:3 I hope to get more of you on my killmails soon! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
276
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:37:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Just so I'm understanding this correctly, can you confirm that your statement is that because we dropped some items for people to loot in the arena during this single event in a single system in a rather large videogame we were insulting everyone who couldn't be there?
Do you have any suggestions for how this could be improved upon?
It's a difficult question and I'm very curious to hear opinions about improvement.
Remember AURORA? How about this scenario: CCP fleet appears in system. 30 seconds later a huge Goon fleet hotdrops into the system, wipes the board and scoops up everything before anybody else has time to react upon the event. Later it is "leaked" that Goonfleet was informed in advance or had an insider informing over MSN where and when the CCP fleet will arrive. Everybody suspects CCP Sreegs. With no loot like PLEX and fancy pants involved, this scenario will provoke a much smaller burst of forum rage. Trust me.
We're pretty much enemies with Goons, so how is it that we managed to appear right after they did, is CCP in the pocket of every big 0.0 alliance?
What none of you are prepared to recognize is that the larger more stable 0.0 entities have pretty expansive intel networks, and so something going down in a system like Tama is broadcast across a jabber or IRC client and suddenly our entire alliance is on the other side of the universe from where we are.
It doesn't mean that CCP is somehow doing something wrong, it means that all the effort we've gone through over the years of making friends all over the universe, spies, and other means of generating intel pays off.
Also you're over looking the obvious, EVE Radio was broadcasting the second one of its listeners reported the fleet.
So I guess EVE Radio is a bad thing too because you didn't know and you don't listen to it or hang out in its chat channel.
The fact that a group has a good reaction time to something can't be turned into a "You Cheated" argument.
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
195
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:38:00 -
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RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.
do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless. MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
276
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:38:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:this was fun:3 I hope to get more of you on my killmails soon!
No doubt, I am super bitter I wasn't on, its good to see the Devs in space again.
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DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
33
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:39:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:I like dog genitals in my mouth
This whole thread is this one guy raging. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
195
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:42:00 -
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hey CCP - do this again, but warn anyone that drops caps on you that you'll just counter hotdrop them with Eidolons :D MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
98
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:43:00 -
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Denidil wrote:RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.
do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless.
If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money?
You didnt think this cunning post through all the way. |
VinroC
Men in Black.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:48:00 -
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was anyone else watching the live broadcastm what was the shipin the hanger viewed several times |
paik
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:50:00 -
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Awesome to see CCP flying around in space. Was a blast really kudos and thanks for the effort !
GÖÑ Manny |
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buck herrick
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
5
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:55:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Denidil wrote:RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.
do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless. If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money? You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.
umad bro? |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
411
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:56:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:this was fun:3 I hope to get more of you on my killmails soon! No doubt, I am super bitter I wasn't on, its good to see the Devs in space again.
I'll put you on top of my hit list for next time CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:04:00 -
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Wasn't there but response from corp members has been overwhelmingly positive - seeing Devs playing the game they invest so much of their time into can only be a good thing as you can see matters from our POV.
P.S. If you need help fitting ships, I suggest Failheap Challenge. Alternatively, feel free to contact me ingame ^^
Keep it up! |
Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:23:00 -
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Raivi wrote:Oooh. Now we might get to see if anyone at CCP remembers how to fit ships. ;)
Guess not. :P |
XavierVE
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:24:00 -
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It's really cool that CCP is flying fleets around...
But do you really need to carry around a bunch of valuable **** to donate to the inevitable Tech-fueled hotdrop that you will receive each time you do this? The game is imbalanced enough without donating valuable loot to people who really, really, really, really, really don't need it.
Next time, fly Drakes and Hurricanes like everyone else who isn't a part of the Goons/DRF cartel, and leave the expensive cargo behind. That's the only part of this which isn't cool at all. |
Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire KRYSIS.
4
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:26:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Denidil wrote:RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.
do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless. If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money? You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.
Because CCP makes this game you moron! If they really wanted to they could charge real money for anything they wanted to. (Please don't charge us real money for ships to prove this point.) It only has a cash value, because CCP wants the equivalant of a subscription for it so they don't really lose too much money. The only unethical thing CCP has done is not permabanning you for being a moron. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
139
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:27:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Denidil wrote:RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.
do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless. If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money? You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.
Actually they haven't sold you anything:
"Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP".
You just own thin air. Congratulations.
C.
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Echo Falls
Adherents of the Repeated Meme
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:33:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Denidil wrote:RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.
do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless. If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money? You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.
If they could be converted back into cash then you may have a point, but they can't legally (in CCP's view) .. Heck, modules being dropped can be sold to make ISK to buy PLEX .. It's exactly the same, whether they are tech 1 or faction.
It's fairly easy ..
Money converted to Plex = CCP gets cash. Plex converted to money = CCP doesn't make $15 .. Oh no, sky falls in! (Not to mention that it is against the UELA) Modules converted to ISK converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.
So you are complaining that CCP is not making some money from this and someone gets to play for free for a month. |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
16
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:50:00 -
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hey, does any of you have my corpse? I hope some nice pilot saved it and it's not just floating all alone somewhere in space |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
98
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:53:00 -
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Cailais wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Denidil wrote:RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.
do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless. If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money? You didnt think this cunning post through all the way. Actually they haven't sold you anything: "Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP". You just own thin air. Congratulations. C.
The Sold you game time. What you do with it is up to you. But that game time has a Dollar value.
Echo Falls wrote:
If they could be converted back into cash then you may have a point, but they can't legally (in CCP's view) .. Heck, modules being dropped can be sold to make ISK to buy PLEX .. It's exactly the same, whether they are tech 1 or faction.
It's fairly easy ..
Money converted to Plex = CCP gets cash. Plex converted to money = CCP doesn't make $15 .. Oh no, sky falls in! (Not to mention that it is against the UELA) Modules converted to ISK converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.
So you are complaining that CCP is not making some money from this and someone gets to play for free for a month.
CCP gets money every time the sell a plex. But those plexes also have a very important in game value. When they just generate them out of thin air it causes INFLATION. They basically just devalued everything in the market.
Which is a huge insult to players as it means their IRL money they spend on plex is now worth less.
There are many other issues with the way you are trying to logic this out. But Plex is a form of currency and has a IRL dollar amount value. |
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