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Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:07:00 -
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Locust swarms, are the players who multibox ice anomalies in hi-sec with 10-20 accounts or more. Usually they are contain a large number of Procurers or Skiffs, a Freighter, and an Orca. These players can make billions daily for just a few hours of play in hi-sec and they do it virtually risk free. That's because Procurers and Skiffs are too strong against gankers, they don't have to worry about losing ships. Even if they did occasionally lose one, it's nothing to the amount of isk they are earning. It also can't be much fun for the other players when many anomalies has one or two of these greedy players around.
Does anyone have a solution to this? I only have two suggestions, one would be to let the gankers sort it out. The ice fields are full of procurers and skiffs, I don't know what percentage they are but I would guess there is 85% procurers/skiffs, 10% rets/macks and 5% hulks/covetors across the ice fields in hi-sec on average. If that's the case, the solution would be to nerf the Skiff and Procurer a bit. It's far too strong, if determined gankers could target this type of player that could be the answer.
The other idea would be to stop isboxer, but I think that alone may not solve this problem. I like the first idea better.
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Prince Kobol
2035
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:09:00 -
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If you don't like it then do something about it. |

Cerisia
Loyal Fortune
855
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:10:00 -
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The way I see it is that they pay for all those accounts and therefore have the right (imo) to do what they like with them. If they are eating up all your ice then why not war dec them?
That is after all, the way the game is supposed to work..... This space for rent.. |

Foxstar Damaskeenus
Biohazard. Ineluctable.
164
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:11:00 -
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Multiboxing is cheating and "pay to win"
Only really bothers me when people do it in combat. |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
788
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:13:00 -
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The problem is ISBoxer. But ofc that is just my personal opinion. Remove insurance. |

Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
355
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:16:00 -
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There's no such thing as a ship too strong to gank.
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2203
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:18:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:There's no such thing as a ship too strong to gank.
nothing is too stronk.
anyways, you're bothered with it, do something about it. There are tools ingame that can help you. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2047
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:21:00 -
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If ccp decides to do something about iskboxing it will probably be to alter game mechanics to make the commonly isboxed activities harder to isbox as opposed to just "banning" isboxer.
So bombers, for example, might see the return of proximity decloaking for other cloaked ships. Ice miners could see loot spew. You get the idea, the point isn't in what particular mechanic is used to discourage isboxer. Rather, the point is to create gameplay that requires the full attention of the pilot on one character to effectively do the activity. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2630
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:48:00 -
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Punish those who do, reward those who whine.
Think about children!
Geez... Invalid signature format |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4304
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:21:00 -
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Maybe make ice mining anomalies less predictable and less reliable? Like moving them to random spawns in the constellation instead of a system. Or adding ice to some normal belts. Something like this would require the ISBoxer fleets to move around instead of being based in the same system, removing the convenience that comes with it.
Personally I favour a complete removal of static belts and all mining moved to anomalies (in their own category different from combat anomalies) and add back in gravimetric sites as the additional spice for explorers. Some spawned anomalies can then contain ice. Number of guaranteed anomalies per system can be similar to the number of belts. Could even add a depletion mechanic in, spawning only smaller and fewer sites if a system is mined heavily. This would also remove the fixed spawn of ores at downtime.
Has CCP ever mentioned any plans on reiteration on mining and mining sites? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
517
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:32:00 -
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Faeana wrote:Locust swarms, are the players who multibox ice anomalies in hi-sec with 10-20 accounts or more. Usually they are contain a large number of Procurers or Skiffs, a Freighter, and an Orca. These players can make billions daily for just a few hours of play in hi-sec and they do it virtually risk free. That's because Procurers and Skiffs are too strong against gankers, they don't have to worry about losing ships. Even if they did occasionally lose one, it's nothing to the amount of isk they are earning. It also can't be much fun for the other players when many anomalies has one or two of these greedy players around.
Does anyone have a solution to this? I only have two suggestions, one would be to let the gankers sort it out. The ice fields are full of procurers and skiffs, I don't know what percentage they are but I would guess there is 85% procurers/skiffs, 10% rets/macks and 5% hulks/covetors across the ice fields in hi-sec on average. If that's the case, the solution would be to nerf the Skiff and Procurer a bit. It's far too strong, if determined gankers could target this type of player that could be the answer.
The other idea would be to stop isboxer, but I think that alone may not solve this problem. I like the first idea better.
The best solution to these guys is to get some friends with good bump ships and bump them away from their targets. The isoboxer relies on one keyboard command working for all ships. He will claim it is not frustrating for him but bumping will mess him up big time. Stabber fit with battleship sized MWD is a good bumper. |

Prince Kobol
2038
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:36:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:If ccp decides to do something about iskboxing it will probably be to alter game mechanics to make the commonly isboxed activities harder to multibox, as opposed to just "banning" isboxer.
So bombers, for example, might see the return of proximity decloaking for other cloaked ships. Ice miners could see loot spew. You get the idea, the point isn't in what particular mechanic is used to discourage isboxer. Rather, the point is to create gameplay that requires the full attention of the pilot on one character to effectively do the activity.
Lol, are you really that naive?
You do realise that CCP make ton of cash of these guys who multibox.
Yeah, lets go out of our way to spend a ton of resources specifically to annoy those players who run multiple accounts.
Great Idea
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1418
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:40:00 -
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Faeana wrote:Does anyone have a solution to this? Yes. The answer to an ISBoxing fleet of miners is an ISBoxing fleet of discophoons.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11084
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:43:00 -
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Yes, it is time to do something.
So go do it. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
29
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:45:00 -
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So let me get this straight.
OP says that multiboxers are the problem. Then somehow drifts off into complaining about procs/skiffs being too strong. And the solution to multiboxers "making billions" in High-Sec is to nerf procs and skiffs.
This is all very amusing because there is not even a mention of nerfing spawn rates of ice belts. This would actually be a direct nerf to the High-Sec players who are "making billions" multiboxing.
The OP's suggestion would be an indirect way of nerfing the mean ol' multiboxers that are apparently not abiding by the norm that OP seems to have conjured up in their head.
This is nothing more than a poor attempt of a ganker crying about not being able to gank a 200mil ship in their 2mil Catalyst.
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Hanna Cyrus
Spessart Rebellen
50
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:54:00 -
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OMG. Wardec him, thats what the mechanik for. Grab yourself some miningships and do the same, if you think it's easy money.
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Space Therapist
Better Days Ahead
27
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:56:00 -
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Must be due to the crickets. See my bio for rates and services. |

Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:57:00 -
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move to lowsec, no isboxing miners there People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back --á EvE |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
4057
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:00:00 -
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You can't do anything about the locust swarm.
It's the first plague of the revelation.
EvE is dying. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:02:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:If you don't like it then do something about it.
I am, but my options are limited. that's why I posted this thread. Give players the tools to police this kind of behaviour. With Procurers so cheap to buy, with the tank of a battleship, ganking them just isn't going to happen enough to have any impact. They need to be toned down a bit. They are clearly too powerful as the anomalies are filled with Procurers and Skiffs. |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
929
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:04:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Maybe make ice mining anomalies less predictable and less reliable?... Personally I favour a complete removal of static belts and all mining moved to anomalies (in their own category different from combat anomalies) and add back in gravimetric sites as the additional spice for explorers....
NO. The game will not be changed because the overwhelming majority all want to mine in the rookie pond of high security space, just no. Kill the multiboxing pigs who snaffle the safe belts if you want, or mine low and null. Or both.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:07:00 -
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Cerisia wrote:The way I see it is that they pay for all those accounts and therefore have the right (imo) to do what they like with them. If they are eating up all your ice then why not war dec them?
That is after all, the way the game is supposed to work.....
When you war declare them, they disband their corp and form a new one. Those that don't do this are already in an NPC corp. You can't touch these guys, there is no way for players to police this behaviour. Give players the tools, make ganking them viable to at least some degree. I see more and more of these groups appearing, and it's only going to get worse. |

Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
28
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:07:00 -
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Just kill the orca / hauler |

Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
256
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:13:00 -
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With procurer/skiff multiboxed mining its the orca thats the key to it all, not the miners and not the frieghter. Bump the crap out of the orca so they cant use the orca to move ice around and your fine theyll eventually leave after a few days of this.
Oh and it used to be way worse with the retriever/mackinaws per change. Trust me I used to do it.
Procs/skiffs are needed to mine effectively in null sec with the BS spawns safely. They are a miners weapon so they can actually mine there so I think itd be a mistake to ***** and whine to CCP about nerfing them. They WANTED it not to be so retriever/mackinaw dependent in the belts and now its become that.
Working as intended. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |

Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:23:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Maybe make ice mining anomalies less predictable and less reliable? Like moving them to random spawns in the constellation instead of a system. Or adding ice to some normal belts. Something like this would require the ISBoxer fleets to move around instead of being based in the same system, removing the convenience that comes with it.
Personally I favour a complete removal of static belts and all mining moved to anomalies (in their own category different from combat anomalies) and add back in gravimetric sites as the additional spice for explorers. Some spawned anomalies can then contain ice. Number of guaranteed anomalies per system can be similar to the number of belts. Could even add a depletion mechanic in, spawning only smaller and fewer sites if a system is mined heavily. This would also remove the fixed spawn of ores at downtime.
Has CCP ever mentioned any plans on reiteration on mining and mining sites?
Most isboxer fleets do move around, they finish an ice anomaly in a system then move to one in a system nearby, they do that a lot. The risk/reward is out of balance, they are making huge amounts of isk, at no risk. Even if they lost a ship, which never happens, it's peanuts for them to replace it.
There are too many Procurers and Skiffs being used, almost everyone is using them. Clearly this ship type was made too powerful and an adjustment is needed. In the form of less hitpoints and the skiff should also lose a low slot because that ship has an imbalanced number of slots (too many). |

Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:29:00 -
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Jegrey Dozer wrote:So let me get this straight.
OP says that multiboxers are the problem. Then somehow drifts off into complaining about procs/skiffs being too strong. And the solution to multiboxers "making billions" in High-Sec is to nerf procs and skiffs.
This is all very amusing because there is not even a mention of nerfing spawn rates of ice belts. This would actually be a direct nerf to the High-Sec players who are "making billions" multiboxing.
The OP's suggestion would be an indirect way of nerfing the mean ol' multiboxers that are apparently not abiding by the norm that OP seems to have conjured up in their head.
This is nothing more than a poor attempt of a ganker crying about not being able to gank a 200mil ship in their 2mil Catalyst.
Normal players with one account, or a few accounts even, are not making billions from hi-sec ice fields. It's the guys who using a large number of Skiffs and Procurers orbiting an Orca and or Freighter. They never use retrievers or covetor hulls, because they would be targetted for ganks.
As it is, there is far too many Procurers and Skiffs being used in hi-sec anomalies, most players are using them, this shows that there is a balance issue. So the obvious thing to do is, is solve the balance issue by adjusting the Skiff and Procurer so people will actually start to gank them occasionally and the issue will sort itself out. Two birds killed with one stone.
These guys don't even need combat ships to defend their mining fleets while they earn billions in complete safety. It's a joke. Perhaps we'll see some of them start using some combat ships for defense if they actually needed to. |

K Raz
Junkyard Gunn3rs Strange Phenomenon
1
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:33:00 -
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Move all ice to lowsec and make the spawns better. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8840
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:33:00 -
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Donate to the New Order, in general.
If there are particular groups you are worried about, then you might considering outright hiring suicide gankers to put the hurt on. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
790
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:34:00 -
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Faeana wrote:There are too many Procurers and Skiffs being used, almost everyone is using them. Clearly this ship type was made too powerful and an adjustment is needed. In the form of less hitpoints and the skiff should also lose a low slot because that ship has an imbalanced number of slots (too many). Procurer and Skiff are fine. If you reduced their tank back to easily gankable levels, you'd have to do something about the other barges too, to keep the overall balance.
As mentioned above, the Orcas and freighters are the key to those operations. Still, it shouldn't even be possible or at least not sensible to multibox to this extent. Remove insurance. |

Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:38:00 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:With procurer/skiff multiboxed mining its the orca thats the key to it all, not the miners and not the frieghter. Bump the crap out of the orca so they cant use the orca to move ice around and your fine theyll eventually leave after a few days of this.
Oh and it used to be way worse with the retriever/mackinaws per change. Trust me I used to do it.
Procs/skiffs are needed to mine effectively in null sec with the BS spawns safely. They are a miners weapon so they can actually mine there so I think itd be a mistake to ***** and whine to CCP about nerfing them. They WANTED it not to be so retriever/mackinaw dependent in the belts and now its become that.
Working as intended.
True they wanted less Mack/Ret in the belts. But now we have the opposite. The belts are full of Skiff/Proc and Mack/Ret are hardly seen in comparison. Just looking through the anomalies you can quickly see how Skiff/Proc dominated it is now. |
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