Procurer and Skiff are fine. If you reduced their tank back to easily gankable levels, you'd have to do something about the other barges too, to keep the overall balance.

As mentioned above, the Orcas and freighters are the key to those operations. Still, it shouldn't even be possible or at least not sensible to multibox to this extent.

As it is, there is far too many Procurers and Skiffs being used in hi-sec anomalies, most players are using them, this shows that there is a balance issue. So the obvious thing to do is, is solve the balance issue by adjusting the Skiff and Procurer so people will actually start to gank them occasionally and the issue will sort itself out. Two birds killed with one stone.

Does anyone have a solution to this?

Easy solution: ban multiboxing. It's pay-to-win imo, anyways. Banning multiboxing will solve other problems, too. Like, one player gatecamps, gold armor/gold ammo T3 link alt in system for "solo" pvpers and safe travel with scout alts. EvE is a massively multiplayer game, not a massively multitoon game.

Rebalancing ships or game mechanics just because of these pay-to-win types is stupid.

Nerf ganking in cheap ships =>
Mining in anything other than a pro/skiff is no longer stupid (that is, if you're in a system that requires you to use them..) =>
Lazy people use retrievers, greedy people use covetors, people that need to tank BS rats in nullsec use procurers, balance achieved!

See, it works both ways.

Easy solution: ban multiboxing. It's pay-to-win imo, anyways. Banning multiboxing will solve other problems, too. Like, one player gatecamps, gold armor/gold ammo T3 link alt in system for "solo" pvpers and safe travel with scout alts. EvE is a massively multiplayer game, not a massively multitoon game.

Rebalancing ships or game mechanics just because of these pay-to-win types is stupid.

Oh, I have another suggestion for you.

If they are actually orbiting the Orca, then he is doing it to reduce the amount of commands he has to give. Use a Machariel or something to bump it away from the belt.

When the Freighter arrives, bump it too. Neither of those ships can do jack all against a dedicated bumper without backup, so they won't be going anywhere.

It will **** him off pretty quickly.

they don't even need defensive ships to help guard them.

just gank the orca, it has the same affect on his isk/hour as ganking 1/3 of his entire fleet.

The majority of people in hi-sec use Procurers. No balance here.

While true, I imagine the OP is asking this precisely because he does not have the means to accomplish this.

But everyone can bump, even if not everyone can fly a Machariel.

I'm sure if he gives some enterprising pilots a few catalysts they'll be more than happy to do it for him.

I am, but my options are limited. that's why I posted this thread. Give players the tools to police this kind of behaviour. With Procurers so cheap to buy, with the tank of a battleship, ganking them just isn't going to happen enough to have any impact. They need to be toned down a bit. They are clearly too powerful as the anomalies are filled with Procurers and Skiffs.

Here is an idea.. work with other players, I know its out there isn't it...

What about the guy who multiboxes 10 to 20 procurers, he is allowed to have a massive solo industrial operation yet it require a large number of players teaming together to have any impact on him? It currently takes about 10-12 T2 catalysts to take out one skiff, even more if it's 0.7. Reduce it to 5 catalysts.

What about the guy who multiboxes 10 to 20 procurers, he is allowed to have a massive solo industrial operation yet it require a large number of players teaming together to have any impact on him? It currently takes about 10-12 T2 catalysts to take out one skiff, even more if it's 0.7. Reduce it to 5 catalysts.

Dude, F U your skiff nerfing ideas.
Somebody had to pay for all those accounts at beginning even if now he just PLEX them all from his massive ice crunching op.
You wanna ice belt to yourself? There's always one in Aeschee, go for it.

Many defensive hi-sec ice mining isboxers in this thread.

Skiffs and Procurers don't need to be nerfed, your ability to post does though.

As suggested previously, if you don't like it, do something about it, their Orca or Freighter exploding will put quite the dent in their operations profit margin.

You're also neglecting to mention the obvious, the person ISBoxing 20 accounts maybe well be raking in billions, but it's spread across all of those accounts.

Do you think the isboxer cares about blinging out all 20 accounts? No, he only has to earn enough isk for the plex on each account, that could take a week at the very most. The other 3 weeks of a month he is earning tens of billions to do whatever he wants with.

I assure you, these guys do not pay to win. They earn enough isk to pay for all of their accounts with plex bought from the market. No money from their pockets will come to EVE. They really are just locusts, not just in the ice fields, but the game in general.

It's crazy when you think about it, that a large group of pure industrial ships can make so much isk risk free, they don't even need defensive ships to help guard them, they don't need intel channels, they never had to fight for anything.

They just need reduce Proc/Skiff HP the right amount. They don't need to be easily gankable, just more gankable than they are now. Right now a Skiff has about 4 times more eff HP than a tanked Mackinkaw. That's the problem. Reduce this, so Skiff has about 2 times more, at the most. That's fair, anyone who whines about that just wants to see Procurers and Skiffs not being ganked at all. Reduce procurer tank to about 60% of what it is now too.