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Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
33
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Posted - 2014.08.17 20:52:00 -
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Faeana wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Faeana wrote:After reading a few miner posts, I see a second option to solving this issue without nerfing the skiff tank.
Reduce skiff mining yield a bit. Many miners use an Orca or other hauler and so the extra ore hold of the Mackinkaw is just useless, there's no reason to use a Mackinkaw over a Skiff. Reduce skiff yield 10% from current and we should see a few less Skiffs. The Skiff is already the lowest. And nerfing the yield more won't prevent people from using them. They don't want to get ganked, so the fly max tanked Skiff instead. Flying anything else, it's a matter of when you will be ganked, not if. End of story on that. Don't like it? Bump them out of the belt, get your friends and some more friends and perform the ganks. Etc etc etc. CCP gave the miners an option. Take less yield to not get ganked, or risk more yield and get ganked. WORKING AS INTENDED. I am now training up Tear Collection Level 5 just so I can buy a bin large enough to hold all of the delicious drops of stupidity. Shows how much you know. The skiff is not the lowest, it has the same yield as the mackinkaw. If you factor in that it's stupid to mine in a mackinkaw without a damage control fitted, then the skiff has more yield than the mackinkaw.
No, this shows you didn't read. Again. Skiffs, MAX TANKED SKIFFS & PROCURERS, SO YOU CANNOT BE GANKED. ARE THE WORST YIELD. Again. For the love of god. Quit crying. MINERS ARE CHOOSING TO FIT THIS WAY SO THEY DO NOT LOSE THEIR PRETTY PRETTY PONY MINING BARGES. THEY ARE CHOOSING TO HAVE WORSE YIELD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REPLACE A BARGE EVERY DAY BECAUSE TARDS.
Now we have cry baby gankers whining that this is UNPOSSIBLE. When all they really need is something like 20 T2 fit catalysts. Which is more of the value than the barge itself.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE, WORKING AS INTENDED. |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Biohazard. Ineluctable.
169
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Posted - 2014.08.17 21:10:00 -
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Carribean Queen wrote:CHOOSING TO HAVE WORSE YIELD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REPLACE A BARGE EVERY DAY BECAUSE TARDS.
Now we have cry baby gankers whining that this is UNPOSSIBLE. When all they really need is something like 20 T2 fit catalysts. Which is more of the value than the barge itself.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE, WORKING AS INTENDED.
I think three cheaply fit catalysts could do it, but yeah working as intended.
Some people are so sad they will have to have three accounts rather than a couple of friends to take down a skiff. Their tears are tears of loneliness. Feel sorry for them, they know not what they do.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2099
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Posted - 2014.08.17 21:56:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:It's a well known fact that most bots operate in highsec as miners. Kicking highsec mining in the nuts kicks highsec botting in the nuts. No ice, Veldspar & Scordite only in 50% less quantities.
Without botting highsec, how will a typical goonpet support himself? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2651
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Posted - 2014.08.17 22:05:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Without botting highsec, how will a typical goonpet support himself?
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech Masters of Flying Objects
164
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Posted - 2014.08.17 22:19:00 -
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Quote:Time to do something about locust swarms?
You will do nothing. You can do nothing. Nothing...at all... |
Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.17 22:42:00 -
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Carribean Queen wrote:Faeana wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Faeana wrote:After reading a few miner posts, I see a second option to solving this issue without nerfing the skiff tank.
Reduce skiff mining yield a bit. Many miners use an Orca or other hauler and so the extra ore hold of the Mackinkaw is just useless, there's no reason to use a Mackinkaw over a Skiff. Reduce skiff yield 10% from current and we should see a few less Skiffs. The Skiff is already the lowest. And nerfing the yield more won't prevent people from using them. They don't want to get ganked, so the fly max tanked Skiff instead. Flying anything else, it's a matter of when you will be ganked, not if. End of story on that. Don't like it? Bump them out of the belt, get your friends and some more friends and perform the ganks. Etc etc etc. CCP gave the miners an option. Take less yield to not get ganked, or risk more yield and get ganked. WORKING AS INTENDED. I am now training up Tear Collection Level 5 just so I can buy a bin large enough to hold all of the delicious drops of stupidity. Shows how much you know. The skiff is not the lowest, it has the same yield as the mackinkaw. If you factor in that it's stupid to mine in a mackinkaw without a damage control fitted, then the skiff has more yield than the mackinkaw. No, this shows you didn't read. Again. Skiffs, MAX TANKED SKIFFS & PROCURERS, SO YOU CANNOT BE GANKED. ARE THE WORST YIELD. Again. For the love of god. Quit crying. MINERS ARE CHOOSING TO FIT THIS WAY SO THEY DO NOT LOSE THEIR PRETTY PRETTY PONY MINING BARGES. THEY ARE CHOOSING TO HAVE WORSE YIELD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REPLACE A BARGE EVERY DAY BECAUSE TARDS. Now we have cry baby gankers whining that this is UNPOSSIBLE. When all they really need is something like 20 T2 fit catalysts. Which is more of the value than the barge itself. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, WORKING AS INTENDED.
No miner fits skiff for max tank, they all fit my max yield. The tank is so strong they'll likely never lose a ship anyway. |
Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
12
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:49:00 -
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Blame multiboxing (and greed from CCP) not ships. Mining without a max tank procurer or skill in nullsec would be suicidal. These are pvp barges. Deal with it. Then we can start to complain about the real issue: how long will ccp allow something that greately lowers the enjoyment of many players for some cash? How's driving players who don't want to play an army of bots out of the game an interesting policy? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2099
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Posted - 2014.08.18 00:02:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Blame multiboxing (and greed from CCP) not ships. Mining without a max tank procurer or skill in nullsec would be suicidal. These are pvp barges. Deal with it. Then we can start to complain about the real issue: how long will ccp allow something that greately lowers the enjoyment of many players for some cash? How's driving players who don't want to play an army of bots out of the game an interesting policy?
Hate to break it to you but banning multi-boxing directly leads to less players and more bots. If CCP wants players to take Skiffs to dangerous areas, then a tank isn't what it needs. You can give the Skiff 5x the tank it has now and people still won't take it to dangerous and unmined areas because unless a complete idiot flies into you, the only thing the tank does is delay your inevitable destruction. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Ashwind Houssa
Heart of Pyerite Imperial Outlaws.
10
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Posted - 2014.08.18 01:05:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:
Hate to break it to you but banning multi-boxing directly leads to less players and more bots.
Multi boxing is botting, but since it gets CCP cash they overlook it.
But I am not sure that your argument as stated above is valid. If we assume that every player who is currently hoovering up resources with 10+ accounts is going to unsub all of them and not play, that only removes one player, while opening up opportunities for 10 new miners to take his place. Given the higher price from the lower supply of those minerals, there would be an economic incentive for other real players to take up some mining.
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
634
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Posted - 2014.08.18 01:17:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Call CODE. and see if they'll do something about it.. They're a bunch of moron gankers.
Assuming that your knights in shining armor don't tuck tail and logoff.
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5895
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Posted - 2014.08.18 02:23:00 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:CHOOSING TO HAVE WORSE YIELD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REPLACE A BARGE EVERY DAY BECAUSE TARDS.
Now we have cry baby gankers whining that this is UNPOSSIBLE. When all they really need is something like 20 T2 fit catalysts. Which is more of the value than the barge itself.
NOTHING TO SEE HERE, WORKING AS INTENDED. I think three cheaply fit catalysts could do it, but yeah working as intended.
Nope, not by a long shot. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
32
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Posted - 2014.08.18 02:42:00 -
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Faeana wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Faeana wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Faeana wrote:After reading a few miner posts, I see a second option to solving this issue without nerfing the skiff tank.
Reduce skiff mining yield a bit. Many miners use an Orca or other hauler and so the extra ore hold of the Mackinkaw is just useless, there's no reason to use a Mackinkaw over a Skiff. Reduce skiff yield 10% from current and we should see a few less Skiffs. The Skiff is already the lowest. And nerfing the yield more won't prevent people from using them. They don't want to get ganked, so the fly max tanked Skiff instead. Flying anything else, it's a matter of when you will be ganked, not if. End of story on that. Don't like it? Bump them out of the belt, get your friends and some more friends and perform the ganks. Etc etc etc. CCP gave the miners an option. Take less yield to not get ganked, or risk more yield and get ganked. WORKING AS INTENDED. I am now training up Tear Collection Level 5 just so I can buy a bin large enough to hold all of the delicious drops of stupidity. Shows how much you know. The skiff is not the lowest, it has the same yield as the mackinkaw. If you factor in that it's stupid to mine in a mackinkaw without a damage control fitted, then the skiff has more yield than the mackinkaw. No, this shows you didn't read. Again. Skiffs, MAX TANKED SKIFFS & PROCURERS, SO YOU CANNOT BE GANKED. ARE THE WORST YIELD. Again. For the love of god. Quit crying. MINERS ARE CHOOSING TO FIT THIS WAY SO THEY DO NOT LOSE THEIR PRETTY PRETTY PONY MINING BARGES. THEY ARE CHOOSING TO HAVE WORSE YIELD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO REPLACE A BARGE EVERY DAY BECAUSE TARDS. Now we have cry baby gankers whining that this is UNPOSSIBLE. When all they really need is something like 20 T2 fit catalysts. Which is more of the value than the barge itself. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, WORKING AS INTENDED. No miner fits skiff for max tank, they all fit my max yield. The tank is so strong they'll likely never lose a ship anyway.
I personally fit my Skiff max tank, though when I mine I mine solo.
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Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1087
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Posted - 2014.08.18 02:49:00 -
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OP, if ISBoxing fleets to make "huge amounts of isk in complete safety" is so easy (also, you mentioned that these guys PLEX all their accounts, so there's no RL cost to them), then why don't you do it too?
If you can run 20 accounts for no out-of-pocket cost, then you should be able to run 40 for the same price. Use 20 miners to fund your 20 gank accounts to take out these ISBoxers.
Be sure to biomass your miners when you're done so that you don't become the evil you sought to destroy.
GLHF
eve is dying |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
146
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Posted - 2014.08.18 02:54:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:OP, if ISBoxing fleets to make "huge amounts of isk in complete safety" is so easy (also, you mentioned that these guys PLEX all their accounts, so there's no RL cost to them), then why don't you do it too?
If you can run 20 accounts for no out-of-pocket cost, then you should be able to run 40 for the same price. Use 20 miners to fund your 20 gank accounts to take out these ISBoxers.
Be sure to biomass your miners when you're done so that you don't become the evil you sought to destroy.
GLHF
This.
You claim we can make massive amounts of isk in complete safety. Should we ban station trading as well? How about scamming? |
Andrivullar
Lost Society Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2014.08.18 03:09:00 -
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One, Isboxing is legal, ccp has stated this multiple times. Two, it actually helps CCP make money. In my eyes, thats pretty good considering that means better/more releases in the future. Three. Its not complete safety to isbox, we attract much more attention than the average player, and as such, have to prepare adequately for that. If you don't like it, either a. join the small minority, or b. do what you will about it. or c. live an let live, ya dig?
Cheers. Andr out. 07 |
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
172
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Posted - 2014.08.18 04:38:00 -
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Ashwind Houssa wrote:Sentamon wrote:
Hate to break it to you but banning multi-boxing directly leads to less players and more bots.
Multi boxing is botting, but since it gets CCP cash they overlook it. But I am not sure that your argument as stated above is valid. If we assume that every player who is currently hoovering up resources with 10+ accounts is going to unsub all of them and not play, that only removes one player, while opening up opportunities for 10 new miners to take his place. Given the higher price from the lower supply of those minerals, there would be an economic incentive for other real players to take up some mining.
Mining with a single ship is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Only when you add the meta level of organizing 10+ ships in the most efficient way it becomes interesting for certain people.
I just don't get it. Mining is implemented in a way that is so predictable and non-interactive that replicating an action 20 times scales the income by the same factor - and yet the "multiboxing steals our jooooooobs"-people always focus on breaking the "replicating" part instead of fixing the underlying issue. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6381
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Posted - 2014.08.18 04:46:00 -
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Mining, huh...
Guess I should look into isboxer, apparently it's quite "the bomb". ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2100
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Posted - 2014.08.18 05:20:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mining, huh...
Guess I should look into isboxer, apparently it's quite "the bomb".
Should be expect a Goonminer invasion of highsec soon? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6381
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Posted - 2014.08.18 05:29:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mining, huh...
Guess I should look into isboxer, apparently it's quite "the bomb". Should be expect a Goonminer invasion of highsec soon? No, why? I live in Deklein.
I just don't isboxer my miners yet ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Miichael Epic
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2014.08.18 05:31:00 -
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You are seriously b!tching about players that do perfectly legal mining in highsec making too much money so you want to nerf the ships for everyone? That's the dumbest sh!t I've ever heard.
That's dumber than the whole CODE thing. What the f!ck is wrong with you dude? |
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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
14
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Posted - 2014.08.18 05:39:00 -
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1) Please keep chat clean.
2) We gank skiffs all the time. Check this one out.
Report a multibox or bot fleet to us and we will wipe it out. BTW to those who think the skiff isn't broken, yes it has less yield than a hulk or mackinaw but we're talking on a small order of difference. 10x the tank for like 80% yield. Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.18 07:16:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:OP, if ISBoxing fleets to make "huge amounts of isk in complete safety" is so easy (also, you mentioned that these guys PLEX all their accounts, so there's no RL cost to them), then why don't you do it too?
If you can run 20 accounts for no out-of-pocket cost, then you should be able to run 40 for the same price. Use 20 miners to fund your 20 gank accounts to take out these ISBoxers.
Be sure to biomass your miners when you're done so that you don't become the evil you sought to destroy.
GLHF
So you're saying in order to deal with the gameplay I despise, I have to become the gameplay I despise? Sounds really fun... |
Faeana
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.18 07:22:00 -
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Rabe Raptor wrote:1) Please keep chat clean. 2) We gank skiffs all the time. Check this one out. Report a multibox or bot fleet to us and we will wipe it out. BTW to those who think the skiff isn't broken, yes it has less yield than a hulk or mackinaw but we're talking on a small order of difference. 10x the tank for like 80% yield.
Skiff and mackinkaw are equal in yield, both from skills, and fittings. If you fit three ice harvester upgrade 2's on each, same yield. The only difference is the mackinkaw will have about 12-15k EHP and the skiff over 100k EHP. Most miners will say "but the mackinkaw has a bigger ore hold" To them I say so what? For many miners it makes no difference, the skiff has 15k which is big enough, even if you're solo mining. If you have hauling support, there is no downside to skiff. |
Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1091
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Posted - 2014.08.18 07:32:00 -
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Faeana wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:OP, if ISBoxing fleets to make "huge amounts of isk in complete safety" is so easy (also, you mentioned that these guys PLEX all their accounts, so there's no RL cost to them), then why don't you do it too?
If you can run 20 accounts for no out-of-pocket cost, then you should be able to run 40 for the same price. Use 20 miners to fund your 20 gank accounts to take out these ISBoxers.
Be sure to biomass your miners when you're done so that you don't become the evil you sought to destroy.
GLHF
So you're saying in order to deal with the gameplay I despise, I have to become the gameplay I despise? Sounds really fun...
Why do you despise it? Are you trying to mine? Are they stealing your ore from you? eve is dying |
Colten Tokila
Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2014.08.18 07:41:00 -
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The skiff and procurer exist for one reason...to actually have people mine. Everyone in this game is risk averse, miners are no exception and with ganking taking root as a major pastime, miners need some reason to go out there. With Cius a river, miners have been nerfed hard in highsec, offered no incentive to go to low sec, so anyone series about it will do it in the safety of a null bear alliance.
The tank of the procurer is for the small group or solo miner in null, those rats hit hard. A change I would like to see would be a bastion type module for miners that only could be activated in null, possibly low sec that increased yield and tank but make you sit until the hull was full.
This would provide more pvp since hotdroppers or roamers in null wouldnt have their prey just warping out when they see a neut, and the tank of barges/exhumers in highsec could be brought in line |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2658
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Posted - 2014.08.18 07:42:00 -
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Faeana wrote:So you're saying in order to deal with the gameplay I despise, I have to become the gameplay I despise? Sounds really fun...
How about not giving a frakk about how other people play the game they pay for? Admit it, you say "despise" but what you really mean is "I'm jelly".
Besides, you are just another NPC forum alt whining about people having more space pixels and making more pixel money than you do. Many done it before you and many will do it when you are gone. Words may vary but underlying reason of whine is always the same: blame others for your own pixel failures. Invalid signature format |
Oxide Ammar
151
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Posted - 2014.08.18 08:20:00 -
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Rabe Raptor wrote: Report a multibox or bot fleet to us and we will wipe it out. BTW to those who think the skiff isn't broken, yes it has less yield than a hulk or mackinaw but we're talking on a small order of difference. 10x the tank for like 80% yield.
This is an example of one of these who are parroting stuff and have bare minimum knowledge against the ships he is ganking 24/7, skiff and mackinaw have the same yield you ignorant
Also leave the skiff alone. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Memrox
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2014.08.18 08:24:00 -
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Bump em'. |
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
172
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Posted - 2014.08.18 08:53:00 -
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Too much effort.
It shouldn't require more than a disapproving glare in the general direction of a multiboxer to explode all his ships, disconnect his accounts and set his machine on fire. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
575
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:26:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:If ccp decides to do something about iskboxing it will probably be to alter game mechanics to make the commonly isboxed activities harder to multibox, as opposed to just "banning" isboxer.
So bombers, for example, might see the return of proximity decloaking for other cloaked ships. Ice miners could see loot spew. You get the idea, the point isn't in what particular mechanic is used to discourage isboxer. Rather, the point is to create gameplay that requires the full attention of the pilot on one character to effectively do the activity. Lol, are you really that naive? You do realise that CCP make ton of cash of these guys who multibox. Yeah, lets go out of our way to spend a ton of resources specifically to annoy those players who run multiple accounts. Great Idea
This needs that meme with the guys from the Office on it: INCORRECT.
Multiboxers don't give CCP any money - They Plex those accounts. CCP got the cash long before those accounts where made active.
If they couldn't multibox - you'd see less demand for Plex (Reduction in PLEX prices) and an increase in the value of base minerals (Less people strip mining entire belts and flooding the market - or more players who can't afford to undercut as much as someone with 20 accounts worth of ore to sell). |
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