Actually the difference works out to be about 10% less ice in a skiff vs a mackinkaw if you mine solo without hauling support. 10% less is not significant or badly cutting into your profits.

Reduce skiff mining yield a bit.

The argument is using ISB for fleet mining, which in the great scheme of things, is no different to having a fleet of individual players mining the same belt.

Can't believe it but I am actually posting in a "NERF MINING INCOME" Thread.

LOLOLOLOLOL

Normal players with one account, or a few accounts even, are not making billions from hi-sec ice fields. It's the guys who using a large number of Skiffs and Procurers orbiting an Orca and or Freighter. They never use retrievers or covetor hulls, because they would be targetted for ganks.

As it is, there is far too many Procurers and Skiffs being used in hi-sec anomalies, most players are using them, this shows that there is a balance issue. So the obvious thing to do is, is solve the balance issue by adjusting the Skiff and Procurer so people will actually start to gank them occasionally and the issue will sort itself out. Two birds killed with one stone.

These guys don't even need combat ships to defend their mining fleets while they earn billions in complete safety. They are using 10 or 20 industrial ships in a blob and require no combat ships for defense. It's a joke. Perhaps we'll see some of them start using some combat ships for defense if they actually needed to.

Playing solo is the same as playing in a team? I don't agree, especially in the "great scheme of things".

Locust swarms, are the players who multibox ice anomalies in hi-sec with 10-20 accounts or more. Usually they contain a large number of Procurers or Skiffs, a Freighter, and an Orca. These players can make billions daily for just a few hours of play in hi-sec and they do it virtually risk free. That's because Procurers and Skiffs are too strong against gankers, they don't have to worry about losing ships. Even if they did occasionally lose one, it's nothing to the amount of isk they are earning. It also can't be much fun for the other players when many anomalies has one or two of these greedy players around.

Does anyone have a solution to this? I only have two suggestions, one would be to let the gankers sort it out. The ice fields are full of procurers and skiffs, I don't know what percentage they are but I would guess there is 85% procurers/skiffs, 10% rets/macks and 5% hulks/covetors across the ice fields in hi-sec on average. If that's the case, the solution would be to nerf the Skiff and Procurer a bit. It's far too strong, if determined gankers could target this type of player that could be the answer.

The other idea would be to stop isboxer, but I think that alone may not solve this problem. I like the first idea better.

Locust swarms, are the players who multibox ice anomalies in hi-sec with 10-20 accounts or more. Usually they contain a large number of Procurers or Skiffs, a Freighter, and an Orca. These players can make billions daily for just a few hours of play in hi-sec and they do it virtually risk free. That's because Procurers and Skiffs are too strong against gankers, they don't have to worry about losing ships. Even if they did occasionally lose one, it's nothing to the amount of isk they are earning. It also can't be much fun for the other players when many anomalies has one or two of these greedy players around.

Does anyone have a solution to this? I only have two suggestions, one would be to let the gankers sort it out. The ice fields are full of procurers and skiffs, I don't know what percentage they are but I would guess there is 85% procurers/skiffs, 10% rets/macks and 5% hulks/covetors across the ice fields in hi-sec on average. If that's the case, the solution would be to nerf the Skiff and Procurer a bit. It's far too strong, if determined gankers could target this type of player that could be the answer.

The other idea would be to stop isboxer, but I think that alone may not solve this problem. I like the first idea better.

On the other hand - I don't think CCP really considered the insanity that we all see from one player with 20+ accounts running ISboxer + Orca boosts + a freighter has actually done to EVE.

Oh come on, does it really have to be said they're in npc corps?

ISboxer isn't the problem, highsec mining just needs another kick in the nuts.

for what reason?

Depends. Do you want the good reasons, or the amusing ones that will just make people angry?

for what reason?

it's not like it produces huge amounts of isk like incursions, or it's remotely fun (then again, none of eve's pve could ever be described as fun but that's another discussion)

Ratting in nullsec is too fun.

You know what must be done

It's a well known fact that most bots operate in highsec as miners. Kicking highsec mining in the nuts kicks highsec botting in the nuts. No ice, Veldspar & Scordite only in 50% less quantities.

too obvious, i'm not biting today :P

On one hand - the solo player who choose to fly a procurer or skiff in order to enjoy the amazing defensive potential of these ships in a "hostile" area is just following game mechanics.

On the other hand - I don't think CCP really considered the insanity that we all see from one player with 20+ accounts running ISboxer + Orca boosts + a freighter has actually done to EVE.

too obvious, i'm not biting today :P

So you don't want to hear the amusing one then?

hit me.

I don't like hurting people.