Actually it would require stupidity, since you would be spending one billion a gank to take out a 200 mill ship. You lose out 5 times more than the skiff pilot. It's like self ganking, pure stupidity.

just more gankable than they are now.

Ice mining is for others I think... I just don't understand the ISBOXer thought process when it comes to ice. UNLESS it's NULL, and your alliance is funding your personal fleet / providing support / backup etc - then I understand the locust philosophy.

that's because multiboxing is about problem solving and having fun min/maxing. the EVE mentality is to do something only if the ISK/h justifies it, the boxer mentality is to do something if the intricacies of making it work are fun enough. they would mine with ventures for the hell of it if that's all they had to mine with.

It's only better than the Mackinaw when it has Orca and hauler support, otherwise the Mackinaw is more efficient at the cost of survivability

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and if tanking a mack lowers the yield to that of a skiff, then why fly a mack at all?

Clearly you don't know so much. The mack and skiff have the exact same yield, and exact same number of low slots. They are equal in mining ability. So no, tanking a mack does not lower it to the yield of the a skiff, it makes the yield lower than the skiff.

First of all, it takes considerably less to gank a skiff than you all think, especially given that most skiffs run all MU2s in their lowslots.

Second of all, you can gank a skiff for far less than the cost of the skiff.

Third of all even if it took as much as you all speculated it to, we'd still be doing it just because.

The mackinkaw, with its larger ore hold, works out 10% more efficient in a comparison test of a solo mining and dropping off skiff vs mackinkaw. 10% more efficiency, for 300% less tank. Oh and it moves like a slug too.

Right now a Skiff has about 4 times more eff HP than a tanked Mackinkaw

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before the last change to it, fitting one DCUII on a mack would make its yield equal to that of a Skiff. and while most people still mined with macks for some ******** reason, the skiff was already the best ship.

due to ganking who would fly an untanked mack?, and if tanking a mack lowers the yield to that of a skiff, then why fly a mack at all? now the real problem was created with the last rebalance, they increased the yield of the skiff to match the mack.

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Even the CODE. guy isn't complaining.

And honestly, if you want to understand the move to Skiffs look no further than CODE.. Miners are the ultimate optimizers and their move to Skiffs despite the lower yield should be telling.

So what you're saying, despite your previous posts claiming the exact opposite, is that the Skiff isn't actually better than the Mackinaw in every respect? 10% more efficiency is 10% more efficiency no matter how you try to obfuscate it in your posts.

It's impossible for the Mackinaw to have 300% less tank, at worst it can have no tank at all, which is still less than a 100% reduction in tank because it has a base EHP . From one of your earlier posts
This equates to around 75% less tank, not 300%, L2maths.

All of the barges and exhumers are slow, unless you fit them not to be. A MWD equipped Skiff sacrifices tank to go as fast as it does, and it gains an arse the size of a continent in the process due to the effects of a MWD on signature size.

Multiboxing is cheating and "pay to win"

Only really bothers me when people do it in combat.

When you war declare them, they disband their corp and form a new one. Those that don't do this are already in an NPC corp. You can't touch these guys, there is no way for players to police this behaviour. Give players the tools, make ganking them viable to at least some degree. I see more and more of these groups appearing, and it's only going to get worse.

Some of these 20 skiff + orca + freighter groups are made up of fairly new characters, 3-4 months old, all created around the same date, all with very strange names.

Personally I'd find it a bit suspect. Who knows, maybe they are legit, but why do they need so many characters and what do they do with all that isk?

Some of these 20 skiff + orca + freighter groups are made up of fairly new characters, 3-4 months old, all created around the same date, all with very strange names.

Personally I'd find it a bit suspect. Who knows, maybe they are legit, but why do they need so many characters

and what do they do with all that isk?

Does anyone have a solution to this? I only have two suggestions, one would be to let the gankers sort it out.