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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:26:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Chribba wrote:No worries, even if CCP decides this is wrong and tells Somer to stop, I'm sure they'll give them some unique ships as a consolidation for lost revenue. I mean CCP can't let Somer go empty handed out of this, that would just be wrong.
/c And this is exactly as low as CCP can fall to players' eyes. Confirming that **** is going down when Chribba is taking a jab. Holy crap 
Confirming Chribba is right with his sarcastic undertones.
CCP have a proven track record of continually letting their playerbase down with poor decisions and bad communication and yet once again they demonstrate the inability to adapt or change.
I wouldn't even say the playerbase is surprised, just disappointed once again.
How many times do CCP want or need to show blatant favouritism towards a third party entity?
One or two eggs going "off" in a basket is acceptable, but when the majority of the basket seems to be "rotting" then you know that something is indeed wrong.
Concord Approved Trader |
Wollari
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:28:00 -
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Just my 2 cents copied from twitter
Quote:Players should choose the affiliate link based on which site they want to support, not where they could get the best revenue.
Quote:The moment players choose their affiliate link for GTCs based on best revenue the system is broken and it hurts all 3rd party sites
IMHO the new developer license should be updated and get an additional point: The player should not get any benefits by using a service that creates revenue for the developer (click on banner ads, affilate links, etc).
DOTLAN EveMaps-á| Your out-of-game map, navigation toolset, sov database, etc. since 2008 |
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:52:00 -
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Here is my opinion (whether you want to hear it or not):
1. I don't mind using youtube although a bunch of video stars gets rich from this.
2. I don't mind watching streams on twitch though some people can make a living from it.
3. I would really not mind if some people got rich through EVE although they don't work for CCP. (they could do it by uploading great EVE videos on youtube or streaming a famous roaming channel or whatever on twitch anyway)
What would really not be cool was if CCP enforced the EULA on different players in different ways.
Confronted with ever new fringe cases made up from the ever creative EVE community, they are really in trouble.
If they really sanction this, a lot of people will copy it.
I believe that the only way to permanently get rid of these issues would be to have some mechanism that allows people to somehow burn their ISK for real cash.
(e.g. CCP buying back PLEXes)
Of course, people will argue that PLEX prices would then ultimately would go through the roof... but, who knows?
Maybe a lot of new players would be attracted by the news that you can make a real fortune by blowing up pixel spaceships.
And maybe new players tend to buy more PLEXes since they are not yet as spacerich as the vets?
More players for EVE, some cash for the vets and more revenue for CCP... sounds too good to be true, hm? |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:06:00 -
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If you guys weren't addicted to gambling blink would have never gotten this far. You know the real problem!
(I'm being facetious, hope any RMT stuff is prevented.) |
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:14:00 -
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A few gentle reminders:
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
Quote:23. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
Quote:27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
A few off topic posts have been removed. Please stay on topic and be respectful. Thanks!
ISD Decoy
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Tiberius Zol
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:16:00 -
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I had in mind that everyone, involved in rmt would be banned. The active part permanent, the passive for just a time.
How can it be, that Somer is doing this the second time and it's still one of the richest (in my mind) player here?
Other player involved in some smaller offense were banned for lifetime and lost all their stuff forever..
Why the double standards? |
Clolo
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:26:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, I'm just dropping a blue barred post in this thread, so that you know that we're not ignoring you. I'm speaking with people internally to find out what's up with this, and myself and CCP Leeloo have already sat down this morning with the CSM for a preliminary meeting about what's gone on here. I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.Sorry for the silence thus far, but I was only made aware of this late last night. I'll have more for you guys once I'm up to speed  - F
I think it's a little past afternoon time (guessing Iceland time) and no update. Even a "i didn't get enough information from the team, we're still working on it", would have been a good a good response. |
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
195
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:26:00 -
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Tiberius Zol wrote:I had in mind that everyone, involved in rmt would be banned. The active part permanent, the passive for just a time.
How can it be, that Somer is doing this the second time and it's still one of the richest (in my mind) player here?
Other player involved in some smaller offense were banned for lifetime and lost all their stuff forever..
Why the double standards?
Because
A) technically no one except Somer and Marquee Dragon will ever know whether Somer got indeed real money. It could be sort of a RMT-like scheme, but no one can prove it.
B) if it is designed to trade ISK for real cash, then it's very carefully designed to NOT violate the EULA, because each individual step of the whole thing is perfectly ok.
You advertise someone else's website.
You pay more than market value in ISK for some PLEXes. What's wrong with that? (a LOT of people advertises this in Jita Local :-D) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:26:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.
Well it's almost 10:30 PM in Reykjavik...
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
605
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:34:00 -
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Belinda HwaFang wrote:Thanks for posting this OP. DNSBLACK are you going to do version 2 of your lottery if CCP rules this as fair and acceptable to the ToU and legal stance on RMT? -- Fang
1. Would sell DNSBlack properly on the forums and according to CCP rules.
2. Find a third party willing to give me a cut for plex references.
3. Run the Somer Plex Contract model as much and as often as I can until the isk is gone. I may eve scam a few people along the way just cause I can cause CCP is not over seeing this program. If the conversion is correct at 1 bil = 19 dollars then my isk and charcter may net me around 5000 dollars.
4. The key to you being able to do this is based on your isk pool. If you liquidate everything to isk you can RMT it.
The sad part is we are currently having our eve world cup and yet again we have a player who hasn't been trending for the last year get a lot of free advertising by the player base. He is exploiting the good will of our community and CCP. If he is doing this with CCP approvel "Kati Bare the Door" Alex is licking his chops and will do it much better then Somer. If Somer is found in violation then, we can only hope that CCP ends his playing days and takes the isk pool away and begins to manage the game rules equally.
What I find sad is this is a community issue and by Falcons response he was not in the loop. If he was and didn't inform the CSM then egg on his face. If he wasn't then there is another CCP employee going to get his ass chewed for hanging him out to dry. |
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DJWiggles
Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:43:00 -
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Currently discussing this on www.eve-radio.com
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Lord BryanII
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:44:00 -
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I don't see where any rule was broken. Can Somer not buy back the PLEX? |
Cherry Yeyo
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:55:00 -
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Lord BryanII wrote:I don't see where any rule was broken. Can Somer not buy back the PLEX?
Last year when they were going all in with this rmt stuff the ruling was: you may not offer in game incentives to entice people to use your referral link vs. another
Now they are offering the in game incentive of: we will buy your plex for 30m more than whatever Jita is paying if you use our referral link- which generates affiliate fees for Somer (real life money US Dollars) and lots of it
CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
Qalix
Four Pillars
Brothers of Tangra
303
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:56:00 -
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Clolo wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, I'm just dropping a blue barred post in this thread, so that you know that we're not ignoring you. I'm speaking with people internally to find out what's up with this, and myself and CCP Leeloo have already sat down this morning with the CSM for a preliminary meeting about what's gone on here. I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.Sorry for the silence thus far, but I was only made aware of this late last night. I'll have more for you guys once I'm up to speed - F I think it's a little past afternoon time (guessing Iceland time) and no update. Even a "i didn't get enough information from the team, we're still working on it", would have been a good a good response.
I don't think they ever actually posted their final response to the previous Somer incident. It was all reported second hand. |
Arthur Aihaken
Halas Hooligans
3766
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Posted - 2014.08.18 22:57:00 -
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I guess CCP needs the revenue...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4106
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:10:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Because
A) technically no one except Somer and Marquee Dragon will ever know whether Somer got indeed real money. It could be sort of a RMT-like scheme, but no one can prove it.
B) if it is designed to trade ISK for real cash, then it's very carefully designed to NOT violate the EULA, because each individual step of the whole thing is perfectly ok.
You advertise someone else's website.
You pay more than market value in ISK for some PLEXes. What's wrong with that? (a LOT of people advertises this in Jita Local :-D) A. We know they do, that's how the affiliate program works. It's not a secret.
B. All they've done is add extra steps to make a convoluted method of trading isk for cash. It doesn't stop it being RMT, and if it did, it would just open up the floor to a flood of isk sellers. This was demonstrated last time they did it. If you need to see a good explanation of what they do, you can do so here.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5336
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:17:00 -
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What's this like once a year now?
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors.
Apocalypse Now.
76
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:19:00 -
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People are earning an income by selling stuff? Shocking! We can't have this!!!!
Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:23:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Tiberius Zol wrote:I had in mind that everyone, involved in rmt would be banned. The active part permanent, the passive for just a time.
How can it be, that Somer is doing this the second time and it's still one of the richest (in my mind) player here?
Other player involved in some smaller offense were banned for lifetime and lost all their stuff forever..
Why the double standards? Because A) technically no one except Somer and Marquee Dragon will ever know whether Somer got indeed real money. It could be sort of a RMT-like scheme, but no one can prove it. B) if it is designed to trade ISK for real cash, then it's very carefully designed to NOT violate the EULA, because each individual step of the whole thing is perfectly ok. You advertise someone else's website. You pay more than market value in ISK for some PLEXes. What's wrong with that? (a LOT of people advertises this in Jita Local :-D)
B) is not accurate.
If I buy a single unit of Tritanium from someone for ten billion ISK, and I select who to buy that Tritanium from based upon RL money changing hands, I'm an RMT seller and my account should be permabanned.
No ifs, no buts.
Jita trade offers (both 'honest' bad deals and 'dishonest' actual scams) do not involve RL currency changing hands, or the provision of RL services*.
* - there are exceptions for some RL services that are EVE-related like killboard hosting; if it's not a KB hosting, voice comms server, website hosting or EVE news article writing, ask GM permission before even discussing it with a client.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
384
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:29:00 -
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Down with Somer Blink.
Bunch of scammers. |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:45:00 -
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Hey guys,
Cheers for the patience on this.
I've dropped a new thread on general discusion here, with a prelimiary response in it. I can't give a huge amount of detail right now, but hopefully we'll have something more for you soon.
Locking this thread to take discussion over to the announcement thread.
Cheers,
- F
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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