No answer to the questions asked previously have been provided so this topic can very much be considered still open and relevant.

Not true. They said to file a petition against Somer if you suspect foul play.

In before lock.

Are they doing anything differently now compared to the variant that got smacked down a year ago?

Short version: No

Longer version: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Supposedly "Vetted and approved by CCP"

:ccp:

Really poor decision making from CCP letting their playerbase down once again.

Yup, and at the same time other community service providers don't get to suckle on the same nectar.
Golden scorpians etc, it's a joke (albeit it's not).

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You seem confused as to the fact i am talking about the fact that somer will as of November start making rl money from the virtual currency that is isk

Explanation needed.

Links too.

Explanation needed.

Links too.

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Then report them for RMT and refer to the previous ruling.

Here's a thing.
Right now it looks like it's just somer claiming that this is all CCP approved. Apparently, The CSM is aware of it and talking to CCP about it.

So tell me, how is this any different then a website like, lets say TM.com, paying their writers in ISK, while the owner of said website makes real money off it?
Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that.

It's completely different. If you put as much effort into reading what you quoted instead of creating an alt just to post in this thread, you'd see that.

Then again, never miss out on a grrrrr gooons opportunity :)

Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that.

I feel sorry for the other third party entities who actually give back to the community that don't receive the same *perceived* favouritism from CCP as Somer Blink do.

You mean the same actual favoritism?

Let's not forget who was gifted with rare ships on more than one occasion.

the crux being under the current business model ccp are empowering an external entity to prosper legally enabling actual in game currency conversion to real life currency while telling the rest of the community that is against the eula

What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.

What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.

I've not forgotten. The fact that game makers "gift" players free **** in the first place while others, err get nothing. Totally legit, no sarcasm.

It's not "free ****" if it has significant in-game value. That's why it was favoritism.

It's completely different. If you put as much effort into reading what you quoted instead of creating an alt just to post in this thread, you'd see that.

Then again, never miss out on a grrrrr gooons opportunity :)

Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh.

If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine

Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh.

If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine

As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer.

19.4 Dollars per 1 Billion ISK

too big to fail!

if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about.

this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it.

move on.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.

If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.

Ditto on this. I think the thinking is that everyone in eve every day chooses to buy/sell items independently of the current market price based on non-market factors.

• Corp Chat: Hey pal, not using my orca any more - you want to buy it as is, 75% jita?
• Contract: WTB 2 Plex @ 1.6b (1,600,000m)

What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.

Carm, I think it's pretty cut and dried.



I don't know how much more of a blatant EULA violation we can get here..





This is exactly it.

CCP's policy on RMT is business driven (essentially like all EULA policies). If Somer's visibility is bringing cash to CCP's table, this would be a reason why an exception is made.

There are "haves" and "have-nots" in EVE, just like with anything else.

You seem naive and oblivious to the eula breaking part of this where somebodies bank account outwith CCPs increases during this process.

sure, go ahead. just like the 8693845 people who rented vent/TS servers to subrent on eve and two months later 2 providers remained. and now i think there's only one.

welcome to capitalism

Sib, I think the anti-RMT crusaders are being a bit sensationalistic by throwing out exchange rates like $19 per 1B. I'll admit I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't personally know enough about the issue to take a stance on it. I'm certainly not qualified to argue the effect RMT has on the game on a macro scale.

However, I do personally see a difference between earning affiliate dollars by incentivizing your visitors to buy products using your referral links and selling 1b ISK on eBay for $20.

Hi Carm,

The math is included in the Reddit link and the poster mentions that their estimate is conservative ($0.875 per PLEX referral). Do you think this is an exaggerated amount?


You're saying you "see a difference", but can you tell me what the difference is exactly? Somer is paying 45m ISK and he gets $0.875 as a result. Scale that to 1b ISK and he's getting $19.

What exactly is the difference between Somer's RMT, and the RMT some sap who gets banned is doing?


I see no fundamental difference, except that Somer's volume may be considered a nice windfall for CCP's PLEX sales.

The difference is that one way you sell ISK for RM. The other way you use ISK to get RM. It may seem like a petty/trivial distinction but it woudn't be the first time the "how" matters just as much if not more than the end result.

EDIT:

To be more clear (or maybe just more verbose). Somer is earning money like many other for-profit websites. Ads and/or affiliate/referral links. That is legitimately earned RM. How they incentivize people to click those links is a separate matter (or at least I think that's a reasonable way to look at it)

The difference is that one way you sell ISK for RM. The other way you use ISK to get RM. It may seem like a petty/trivial distinction but it woudn't be the first time the "how" matters just as much if not more than the end result.

EDIT:

To be more clear (or maybe just more verbose). Somer is earning money like many other for-profit websites. Ads and/or affiliate/referral links. That is legitimately earned RM. How they incentivize people to click those links is a separate matter (or at least I think that's a reasonable way to look at it)

So I can incentivize someone to PayPal me $19 by sending them 1b ISK in game?

I think what Carm is saying is:

When somebody pays ISK and gets RL money in return, this is RL money being taken away from CCP (since it would otherwise be used to purchase PLEX

When Somer pays ISK and gets RL money in return, this RL money is a sanctioned way to earn a percentage of a PLEX sale. In effect, the alleged RMTer (Somer, in this case) has "rendered unto Caesar" in the form of a referral contract

Apparently, CCP seems to think it's ok.

Apparently CCP needs their heads examined because this **** is giving them a poor reputation.

Ok, so Somer wants to provide a service to it's loyal customers, so it implements a PLEX buying service.
Now for this service to be good for the customers/useful it would have to offer more ISK to the person than they can get from selling it.
Currently the Jita PLEX price is at 797 million and has been steadily rising. There are many PLEX sell orders in Jita atm over 830m.
Given this it makes sense for a very small 4% price increase to ensure that Somer is not cheating their customers out of the ISK they could have gotten by selling a week or so later.

Also, with RMT you give away ISK and so your ISK goes down.
Somer are trading ISK for PLEX. the value of PLEX is rising and will soon be at the 830m mark, at which point Somer can sell it and they won't have lost any ISK at all. This seems more like futures gambling than RMT to me.

Giving? EA and Blizzard have a better reputation at this point in time.

No worries, even if CCP decides this is wrong and tells Somer to stop, I'm sure they'll give them some unique ships as a consolidation for lost revenue. I mean CCP can't let Somer go empty handed out of this, that would just be wrong.

/c

wat is summer blinck?

i quit blincking ages agoe becos i wuz doin it wile drivign

everi blinck increases yore risc of crashin

Posting in another SOMER hate thread that dismisses all the authorised PLEX dealers as RMT'ers and just picks on the one they lost too much of their isk playing.

You did a great job of reading absolutely none of the thread and then making a broad, incorrect generalization about it.

No worries, even if CCP decides this is wrong and tells Somer to stop, I'm sure they'll give them some unique ships as a consolidation for lost revenue. I mean CCP can't let Somer go empty handed out of this, that would just be wrong.

/c

Except that I did read it, and made a correct assessment of the general tone of the thread.

"dismisses all the authorized PLEX dealers as RMT'ers"

That's what you got from reading this thread?

No, what I got from this thread is that Somer Blink is bad

So proud of you, we knew you'd get there.

No, what I got from this thread is that Somer Blink is bad, but we can forget about all the other authorised plex dealers because we didn't lose our money gambling on their websites and aren't butthurt about them.

Lrn2read, I shouldn't have to explain what I said, unless you're still learning basic English, in which case I apologise.

Maybe you missed the point where SOMER is essentially paying isk to people buying through them? Which is a bit different than other dealers.

And for future reference, don't preface an insult about learning basic English with "Lrn2read". It looks incredibly stupid.

If you're gonna have a problem with SOMER selling plex, then have one with Amazon too.

No.

Then your hypocritical outrage is irrelevant and not worth the typeface it's printed in.

Somer credit =/= isk, unless you win.

I didn't miss the attempted point. I did dismiss it as nonsense, since Somer credit =/= isk, unless you win. Which is a bit different from just handing over isk. You really have to be incredibly vexatious to try to twist it the way you are trying to, I can think of no other reason to do so other than hating on Somer.

As for me looking incredibly stupid, I don't really care how I look to someone who's incredibly stupid.

Ehm, win what exactly? I might be lacking in reading comprehension but as far as I understand information provided on Somer's website it works like this: I buy PLEX with their affiliate link -> I get PLEX Credit(s) which I can "redeem" and contract my PLEX to Somer at "our great buying price!". Not exactly a lot of places to win anything here.

Oh, btw: they are not giving credits to use in their lotteries as they did before, they are giving "PLEX Credits" which allow you to offer them your PLEX at "great buying price!".

Well, pay me $1 of RL money and I will contract you 1 PLEX for free. But if you would like I could buy that PLEX back from you at Jita price + 10%. No problem here I guess...

Except that I did read it, and made a correct assessment of the general tone of the thread.

you mean attacking the motivations of the people complaining instead of the complaint? misrepresenting the complaint? that's not an 'assessment', that's fallacious garbage.

What if Somer had decided to make the buy price equal to 0.01ISK below the current lowest sell order, would you still classify that as RMT?

...evil...

Yes, the only way not to make RMT is to cut out the buying back of plex out of game:

Use a somer affiliate link, get plex ingame, sell plex on ingame market, get money, transfer money to your somer account.


How it is setup now is just a cheap way to RMT the isk blink makes.

Yes, the only way not to make RMT is to cut out the buying back of plex out of game:

Use a somer affiliate link, get plex ingame, sell plex on ingame market, get money, transfer money to your somer account.

How it is setup now is just a cheap way to RMT the isk blink makes.

... you're barely even worth the contempt I have for this kind of behaviour.

Patronising and quote mining.... are you a creationist by any chance?

Practice what you preach or you above yourself?

Again, I understand it just fine,

and it's no different from any other witch hunt I've been privy to. Fallacious garbage? Can you say "irony"? Because you just described the entire thread. Which I did read and assess correctly, and that includes examining Somer's Blink Credit page.

This is "Grr Somer". That's all this is.

a flawed premise, that blink credits can be equated to a real ingame isk value.

'Pure' RMT would be: give me 1$ IRL and I'll give you 50 Million ISK in-game.

This scheme is: give CCP 20$ IRL and I'll give you 50 Million ISK in-game, because CCP will give 1$ IRL to me.


The difference is that CCP is the middleman in the RL cash transfer.

It's not a negligible difference, and if CCP says it's ok then it's ok.


But if CCP says it's ok, then logic would suggest:

1) anybody can do it, not just Somer

2) the PLEX buyback is completely unnecessary, anybody should be free to just give ISK, in-game assets, or both to players that buy PLEX from them


If 1) and 2) don't apply, then yes this is indeed shady.


On a side note, I think all lotteries are stupid and if everybody thought the same, Somer wouldn't even exist.

that's lovely. and i didn't say otherwise.


you attacked the motivations of the thread's participants twice and misrepresented the complaint twice before even acknowledging what you believe is a flawed premise, that blink credits can be equated to a real ingame isk value.

I'm honestly unfamiliar with Somer Blink mechanics:

. Don't you need ISK to buy these credits?

. Can't you convert the credits back to ISK? If not, how do you 'win' ISK?

I gave the thread and its sensationalist posters the acknowledgement they deserved. I don't need to explain myself to you though. Who are you that I do?

no, you can't convert credit to isk, you need to win a lottery using the credit

Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then:

With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved.

With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved.

Since the problem is with CCP and their preferential treatment, no, that doesn't really solve anything.

Ok, sure, if everyone did it and Somer went out of business so CCP couldn't do it any more, then yes, it would make the problem go away. It's still not really solved, though.

Why are CCP showing preferential treatment towards Somer?

Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing?

Well, setting the history of the matter aside, we have this interesting deal where somer is being allowed to receive cash in exchange for handing out ISK, something that is generally forbidden.

Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing?

The problem is partly down to CCP thinking that Somer doesn't have ulterior motives, where as they see everyone else as RMT insta bans.

One rule for Somer one for the rest of us.

One ring to rule them all..

No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme.

Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are GÇö that's how they make money.
That's something quite separate from the affiliateGåÆcreditGåÆbuybackGåÆISK cycle though.

i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh.

i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh.

Tippia, James, I still fail to see the RMT part.

If I want to spend, say, 200$ to get in-game assets:

. CCP gives me 10 PLEX, that I can currently sell in Jita for 7,800 M ISK or so - in-game CASH
. Somer gives me lottery credits worth 8,250 M or so, that I can then expect to convert to in-game CASH at a 80% rate: 6,600 M ISK

Sounds like a lousy deal to me.

If you're saying that Somer is allowed to give in-game incentives to buy PLEX from them while other websites aren't, then I do agree with the 'preferential treatment' part.

No, that is your interpretation of what is happening.

Where does it suggest on their website that only they are allowed to do this?

It's not so much an interpretation as a matter of fact. It's how the PLEX repurchase system works. If it works otherwise, then Somer (and everyone who has tried it) is lying about how the program works.

The fact that CCP has supposedly given this a green light is the preferential treatment since it would be flagged as blatant RMT otherwise.



The part where they say that this has been vetted and cleared by CCP. CCP has been very clear that anyone and everyone caught RMTing will get slapped hard. The Somer statement, if true, means they're not being treated like everyone else.

The only proper resolution of this should be to ban all of Somerset Mahm's accounts permanently.

This crap will continue otherwise.

Or just set up something and do exactly what he is doing.

No, it is still your interpretation on how it works.

We can only guess what CCP's interpretation is on any given subject until they rule one way or another. In this instance it appears that they have ruled this not be RMT.

No because nobody else has done what somer are doing.

until somebody does exactly what Somer is doing then you can not claim it is preferential treatment and that CCP have stopped anybody else doing what they are doing.

We go back to the point that CCP have apparently ruled this is not a form of RMT which makes your last statement invalid.

Ban Somer, stop these affiliate links and everything will be fair and square. I'd like to see Somer banned on the grounds of causing mass distress to the Eve population for the second time. Almost terr.... like lol

No because nobody else has done what somer are doing.

We go back to the point that CCP have apparently ruled this is not a form of RMT which makes your last statement invalid.

So you're saying that Somer isn't describing their own procedures accurately?

You have lost me here, sorry.

GǪand any such ruling is absurd given Somer's description of the procedure.

You have the right to think that, I am not arguing that, what I am saying that it is your opinion which at the moment is the opposite of CCP's, and CCP's opinion is what matters as unfortunate as that might be.

You mean hand out ISK in exchange for referral bucks? Yes there is: Somer did it. They had to stop because it was blatant RMT when you untangled the transactions, and all PLEX retailers were required to alter their terms to no longer allow for the kind of in-game/out-of-game mixing Somer was into.

Again apparently CCP feel that what they are doing this time is within what ever frame work they work to in regards to RMT.

You might feel it isn't as is your right, but apparently CCP feel that it is.

Sure I can, especially given the history of Somer getting (massive) preferential treatment.

...

Then give an example of somebody doing this and being stopped by CCP and I will whole heartily agree with you.

You have lost me here, sorry.

You have the right to think that, I am not arguing that, what I am saying that it is your opinion which at the moment is the opposite of CCP's, and CCP's opinion is what matters as unfortunate as that might be.

Then give an example of somebody doing this and being stopped by CCP and I will whole heartily agree with you.

Nobody else has been told that this was acceptable to do. Even if it is and now everyone is allowed to do it, that alone indicates favoritism.

No, we're at the point where Somer says that CCP has ruled that this is not a form of RMT.
If they're telling the truth then it's possible they got some rookie/careless/apathetic GM who gave them the green light, and this isn't actually a new direction in CCP's policy at all.

So theoretically-speaking, if this is made all above board (Heh ), lets say theoretically if I was in desperate need of isk, and a "friend" who was no longer interested in EvE had lots of isk he no longer wanted, he could get himself made an affiliate, and sell me Plex for CCP-price, and get a kickback for his trouble, which then if I had a "sudden and unexpected change of heart", I could then use his "patent and legit" buyback service that gives me 10% more isk than if I'd sold on market. Then, lets say, I realised I actually really needed that Plex from him, I could buy it again, and he gets another sweet kickback, but get this, I'm like, really, really indecisive, so I let him buyback that same plex again, again for 10% more isk (he's such a swell guy!). I think I'm good, but I take a "knock to the head", and forget why I didn't need that Plex, so I buy it off him yet again (that Plex is getting some mileage, and he's getting some kickback), but I "get better", and him being such a decent guy, lets me drop it though his buyback scheme again, and again I get that 10% for my trouble (he's too decent a guy obviously to only make me get it once, what a friend!). And again, and again. And this isn't RMT?

That is fair enough but you can not blame Somer for that. If indeed that is what has happened, a GM has given them the green light how can be be Somers fault?

That is fair enough but you can not blame Somer for that. If indeed that is what has happened, a GM has given them the green light how can be be Somers fault?

I don't think anyone is blaming SomerGǪ much. The ire is over the preferential treatment such a ruling would confer. The largest portion of blame lies with CCP for not enforcing their rules properly.

Somer is just your average scoundrel stealing gambler's money. That's what gamblers are for. I suppose that some blame could be assigned for trying the same scheme twice, only it's much more simplified and blatant this time around, even though it got shut down hard last time.

How about this guys:

EULA
Section "Your Account"
Subsection "A. Establishing a New Account"
Paragraph 4:

"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."

That just about sums it up for me.

Now there's a hope that CCP will give a response that isn't just empty PR speak.

Then give an example of somebody doing this and being stopped by CCP and I will whole heartily agree with you.

That is fair enough but you can not blame Somer for that. If indeed that is what has happened, a GM has given them the green light how can be be Somers fault?

Again, I understand it just fine, and it's no different from any other witch hunt I've been privy to. Fallacious garbage? Can you say "irony"? Because you just described the entire thread. Which I did read and assess correctly, and that includes examining Somer's Blink Credit page.

This is "Grr Somer". That's all this is.

Is it possible that Markee Dragon is the person behind Somerset Mahm?

I was thinking the same thing. He's the type that makes his living RMT'ing MMO's. From what I've read online, he's caused a shitstorm in a few of the mainstream MMO's. Do a little googling around and you'll find lots to read.

o/

Again, I understand it just fine, and it's no different from any other witch hunt I've been privy to. Fallacious garbage? Can you say "irony"? Because you just described the entire thread. Which I did read and assess correctly, and that includes examining Somer's Blink Credit page.

This is "Grr Somer". That's all this is.

I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.

Blanket ban on all somer accounts taking of all isk and assets closeing down of website the lot

and a nice detailed report from CCP on how many accounts where banned and how much isk was disposed of.

You most certainly can blame Somer for it. They know full well it's not allowed, as they were told to stop (though they milked out as much as they could by increasing the reward when they were given a deadline to stop it), and now they are back to the same trick with a slightly more confusing structure, as if we're not going to notice it's the same thing.

At this point, I'm all for Somer getting full RMTer treatment and being permabanned across the board. It's clear that they aren't interested in stopping and will continue to try to convert their scammed isk into real currency, so they should be treated the same as other RMTers. If CCP don't bring down considerably more decisive action this time round, there will be a great many people who will be, let's say less than pleased.

They claim this is CCP sanctioned, we will see about that. CCP Falcons response indicated that they are as surprised about this new service as everyone else .

This is where things could very interesting.

Knowing CCP I would not be in slightest bit surprised if somebody with CCP has given Somer permission but has not informed everybody.

Anything is possible, people make mistakes.

If that is the case it shouldn't take too long to clear this up.

Before this thread I didn't feel like I really had an opinion on RMT. But now I'm starting to think maybe I'm a big fan.

Now that that's out of the way, can someone kindly explain to me why it's so awful?

If anything you will get a statement that this way of dealing is considered RMT and a EULA violation and that appropriate action is taken against all offending accounts. Any details would violate CCP privacy policy.

Before this thread I didn't feel like I really had an opinion on RMT. But now I'm starting to think maybe I'm a big fan.

Now that that's out of the way, can someone kindly explain to me why it's so awful?

Then you are just as bad as all the other people going grr Somer and letting your hatred of Somer get in the way of rational thinking.

If Somer has indeed as they have stated been given permission by CCP to run this scheme then they have not broken any rules.

How can you blame a player for any action if they have first gone to CCP and then been given permission?

Meh, most people here have an acknowledgement hangup. Anytime a little mob feels like they can be noticed whining in a way they feel is legitimate, they come out of the woodwork. The rest of just current RMT'ers that don't want anyone else cutting in on their action.

Also, blinked an ashimuu, fleet phoon, and obelisk this week with a 25 mil investment. :]

Before this thread I didn't feel like I really had an opinion on RMT. But now I'm starting to think maybe I'm a big fan.

Now that that's out of the way, can someone kindly explain to me why it's so awful?

Before this thread I didn't feel like I really had an opinion on RMT. But now I'm starting to think maybe I'm a big fan.

Now that that's out of the way, can someone kindly explain to me why it's so awful?

Before this thread I didn't feel like I really had an opinion on RMT. But now I'm starting to think maybe I'm a big fan.

Now that that's out of the way, can someone kindly explain to me why it's so awful?

People are mad that somebody is making RL money from Eve and apprently CCP are cool with this when there not

Because they know full well that it's not allowed. Them being able to convince a frontline GM to say something he shouldn't doesn't change the policy CCP laid out and chucked at them last time they did this. This just shows that they want to continue RMT, and they will go to any lengths to do so.

Undoubtedly they knew full well that CCP wouldn't let them continue this time round, but can make a mint off of the sales during this investigation period, and people like you saying "they did nothing wrong" are suggesting they should get away with it. If they just say "no Somer, we told you before, so stop it now!" and that's it, then they have once again managed to squeeze a bunch of RMT transactions through the system. At some point you have to turn around and take decisive action so they cannot and will not do it again, and to show others thinking of trying the same that it will not be tolerated.

Look at the prices of items on the Chinese server where RMT is allowed and then develop your own opinion.

this is purely a legal issue.

So this is basically the same thing they did last year with a couple extra steps to bypass whatever the last ruling was, creating another GTC monopoly and pushing out other GTC retailers by offering perks no one else can match, correct?

All the while converting isk from inside EVE Online the game into real life income dollars.

At the moment there is nothing to stop somebody doing exactly the same

POPCORN ANYONE

Here's what you do: If your account is up on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again. If your account is down on Somerblink, quit and don't ever do it again.

Problem solved.

Also CCP, you had a CASINO button in station services back in 2003. Bring it back and put Somerblink out of business.

mmm WiS Casino would be sweet.