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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3803
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:29:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:a flawed premise, that blink credits can be equated to a real ingame isk value. I'm honestly unfamiliar with Somer Blink mechanics: . Don't you need ISK to buy these credits? . Can't you convert the credits back to ISK? If not, how do you 'win' ISK? yes, you use isk to buy credit no, you can't convert credit to isk, you need to win a lottery using the credit. it's reckoned that somer pays out eighty percent of the isk it makes
Quote:I gave the thread and its sensationalist posters the acknowledgement they deserved. I don't need to explain myself to you though. Who are you that I do? you entered the thread with fallacious comments and you're continuing to use them. you don't need to explain yourself to anyone... unless you want to be taken seriously. |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1836
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:45:00 -
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Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then:
'Pure' RMT would be: give me 1$ IRL and I'll give you 45 Million ISK in-game.
This scheme is: give CCP 20$ IRL, give me that PLEX and I'll give you back on average 660 Million ISK (80% of a PLEX's ISK worth + 80% of 45 Mil) instead of just 625 Million ISK (80% of a PLEX's ISK worth). Additionally, CCP will also give 1$ IRL to me! Yay! I'm so smart, you're so dumb!
Hmmm... now my personal verdict (fwiw ) has changed.
This is not RMT, it sounds more like a scam actually. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11094
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:53:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:no, you can't convert credit to isk, you need to win a lottery using the credit And when you can win every single lottery you play, this is a trivial distinction. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23927
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:02:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then: No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme.
Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are GÇö that's how they make money. That's something quite separate from the affiliateGåÆcreditGåÆbuybackGåÆISK cycle though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
300
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:09:00 -
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The more people that buy PLEX the better it is for the game in my opinion. More real money injected into Eve is always a good thing. So personally I can see why CCP would approve of this scheme.
Also anyone can do it if it is legit, so there is no problem. |

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
544
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:09:00 -
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With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11095
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:13:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved. That... doesn't solve the problem at all. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Kern Hotha
62
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:14:00 -
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I wonder if is there an interested CCP employee with authority to influence this situation who understands why it is ethically wrong to support and encourage this kind of activity. I know of no other game company that shows such favoritism to a group of players who happen to make the game company a bit of extra money. The extra money that your pet gambling operation/PLEX dealer is bringing in should be weighed against what it does to your company's reputation. We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.
Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23927
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:15:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved. Since the problem is with CCP and their preferential treatment, no, that doesn't really solve anything.
Ok, sure, if everyone did it and Somer went out of business so CCP couldn't do it any more, then yes, it would make the problem go away. It's still not really solved, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Prince Kobol
2052
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:With all due respect, just don't play blink? Problem solved. Since the problem is with CCP and their preferential treatment, no, that doesn't really solve anything. Ok, sure, if everyone did it and Somer went out of business so CCP couldn't do it any more, then yes, it would make the problem go away. It's still not really solved, though.
Why are CCP showing preferential treatment towards Somer?
Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing?
Unless CCP have told somebody else to stop doing exactly what Somer are doing then no preferential treatment has been show.
By all means accuse CCP of preferential treatment if they are allowing Somer to do something when they have stopped others but if they haven't then you can't claim they are showing preferential treatment. |
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Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
293
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:20:00 -
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The ride never ends |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23927
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:20:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Why are CCP showing preferential treatment towards Somer? Well, setting the history of the matter aside, we have this interesting deal where somer is being allowed to receive cash in exchange for handing out ISK, something that is generally forbidden.
Quote:Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing? Fair enough. The only place that suggests anything like that is the Somer website. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Memrox
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:22:00 -
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The problem is partly down to CCP thinking that Somer doesn't have ulterior motives, where as they see everyone else as RMT insta bans.
One rule for Somer one for the rest of us.
One ring to rule them all.. |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1836
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:25:00 -
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Tippia, James, I still fail to see the RMT part.
If I want to spend, say, 200$ to get in-game assets:
. CCP gives me 10 PLEX, that I can currently sell in Jita for 7,800 M ISK or so - in-game CASH . Somer gives me lottery credits worth 8,250 M or so, that I can then expect to convert to in-game CASH at a 80% rate: 6,600 M ISK
Sounds like a lousy deal to me.
If you're saying that Somer is allowed to give in-game incentives to buy PLEX from them while other websites aren't, then I do agree with the 'preferential treatment' part. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |

Prince Kobol
2052
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Why are CCP showing preferential treatment towards Somer? Well, setting the history of the matter aside, we have this interesting deal where somer is being allowed to receive cash in exchange for handing out ISK, something that is generally forbidden.
No, that is your interpretation of what is happening. If CCP have given this the green light then they do not agree with your interpretation and whether we like it or not this is CCP product and they are judge and jury.
Quote:Where has it been said that nobody else can do what they are doing? Fair enough. The only place that suggests anything like that is the Somer website.[/quote]
Where does it suggest on their website that only they are allowed to do this? I've had a quick look and nowhere can I find anything that even comes close to Somer saying that they are the only people allowed to run this type of incentive scheme.
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Prince Kobol
2052
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:29:00 -
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Memrox wrote:The problem is partly down to CCP thinking that Somer doesn't have ulterior motives, where as they see everyone else as RMT insta bans.
One rule for Somer one for the rest of us.
One ring to rule them all..
Again, where has it been stated by CCP that only Somer is allowed to run this scheme?
Who else has tried to do this and has been told stop by CCP?
If you do not agree with what somer is doing fine, if you think it is a form of RMT that is also fine, however you can not accuse of CCP having on rule for some and one rule for everybody else until CCP stop somebody else from running the same scheme. |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3804
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then: No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme. Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are GÇö that's how they make money. That's something quite separate from the affiliateGåÆcreditGåÆbuybackGåÆISK cycle though. i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh. |

Prince Kobol
2052
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:37:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Tippia wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then: No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme. Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are GÇö that's how they make money. That's something quite separate from the affiliateGåÆcreditGåÆbuybackGåÆISK cycle though. i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh.
This is what it is.
1. You visit Somers website and use his referral 2. You purchase plex from Markee Dragon 3. Enter your reference number on Somers Site 4. Redeem your credits 5. Log onto Eve, create a contract making sure that the contract contains the correct amount of PLEX, and that you are requesting the correct amount of money. 6. Receive 830mil isk for each plex |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11095
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:42:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Tippia wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Thanks, Benny. I need to correct my post then: No, you had it right the first time. He's describing the actual lottery and the effects of the buy-out margins, not the PLEX buy-back scheme. Yes, the lottery is a scam. All lotteries are GÇö that's how they make money. That's something quite separate from the affiliateGåÆcreditGåÆbuybackGåÆISK cycle though. i'd thought somer's 'plex credit' was used to swap the PLEX for somer isk credit to the value of jita PLEX price plus thirty million. it's actually swapped for actual isk. gosh. Yeah, I didn't even read anything because I assumed this was just the same **** that they were pulling the last time we had this scandal. This is actually worse. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23928
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:43:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Tippia, James, I still fail to see the RMT part.
If I want to spend, say, 200$ to get in-game assets:
. CCP gives me 10 PLEX, that I can currently sell in Jita for 7,800 M ISK or so - in-game CASH . Somer gives me lottery credits worth 8,250 M or so, that I can then expect to convert to in-game CASH at a 80% rate: 6,600 M ISK
Sounds like a lousy deal to me. That's because that's not what is happening. Instead, compare and contrast these two options:
1. You give CCP $200 and get 10 PLEX in return. You go to the market and sell those for 7.8bn ISK. 2. You use Somer's referral link, spend $200 and get 10 PLEX from the retailer and 10 PLEX credits from Somer. Somer, in turn, gets ~$9 from the retailer. You then hand in the PLEX credits and the PLEX themselves to Somer in exchange for 7.8bn + 450M ISK (directly to your wallet since the PLEX transfer is a standard contract).
Key difference: By using the referral link, you ensure that Somer gets $9 and in exchange you get 450M ISK more than you otherwise would.
Quote:If you're saying that Somer is allowed to give in-game incentives to buy PLEX from them while other websites aren't, then I do agree with the 'preferential treatment' part. Pretty much.
Prince Kobol wrote:No, that is your interpretation of what is happening. It's not so much an interpretation as a matter of fact. It's how the PLEX repurchase system works. If it works otherwise, then Somer (and everyone who has tried it) is lying about how the program works.
The fact that CCP has supposedly given this a green light is the preferential treatment since it would be flagged as blatant RMT otherwise.
Quote:Where does it suggest on their website that only they are allowed to do this? The part where they say that this has been vetted and cleared by CCP. CCP has been very clear that anyone and everyone caught RMTing will get slapped hard. The Somer statement, if true, means they're not being treated like everyone else. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
402
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:46:00 -
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very clever way of geting around the rules i say.
wrong maybe.....
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11095
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:49:00 -
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The only proper resolution of this should be to ban all of Somerset Mahm's accounts permanently.
This crap will continue otherwise. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1836
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:52:00 -
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Whelp, my bad for not checking the facts myself. 
If it's now ok (for anyone) to openly give ISK and/or other in-game assets to promote their PLEX reselling, CCP should indeed state it clearly. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |

Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
322
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:52:00 -
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This is the greatest miscarriage of justice since the Casey Anthony trial.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Prince Kobol
2052
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:No, that is your interpretation of what is happening. It's not so much an interpretation as a matter of fact. It's how the PLEX repurchase system works. If it works otherwise, then Somer (and everyone who has tried it) is lying about how the program works.
No, it is still your interpretation on how it works. You do not work for CCP, you can not speak on their behalf. The only interpretation that matters is CCP's. We can only guess what CCP's interpretation is on any given subject until they rule one way or another. In this instance it appears that they have ruled this not be RMT.
Tippia wrote:The fact that CCP has supposedly given this a green light is the preferential treatment since it would be flagged as blatant RMT otherwise. Prince Kobol wrote:Where does it suggest on their website that only they are allowed to do this? The part where they say that this has been vetted and cleared by CCP. CCP has been very clear that anyone and everyone caught RMTing will get slapped hard. The Somer statement, if true, means they're not being treated like everyone else.
No because nobody else has done what somer are doing.
I have no issue that you feel what is happening is wrong, I have no issue that you feel it is a form of RMT and it is your right and everybody else's right to discuss the matter, however until somebody does exactly what Somer is doing then you can not claim it is preferential treatment and that CCP have stopped anybody else doing what they are doing.
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Prince Kobol
2052
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only proper resolution of this should be to ban all of Somerset Mahm's accounts permanently.
This crap will continue otherwise.
Or just set up something and do exactly what he is doing. |
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CCP Falcon
7960

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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:58:00 -
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Hey guys,
I'm just dropping a blue barred post in this thread, so that you know that we're not ignoring you.
I'm speaking with people internally to find out what's up with this, and myself and CCP Leeloo have already sat down this morning with the CSM for a preliminary meeting about what's gone on here.
I'll be meeting with a few departments within CCP this afternoon (UTC) then I'll come back to you this afternoon with some clear and concise answers.
Sorry for the silence thus far, but I was only made aware of this late last night.
I'll have more for you guys once I'm up to speed 
- F CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11095
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The only proper resolution of this should be to ban all of Somerset Mahm's accounts permanently.
This crap will continue otherwise. Or just set up something and do exactly what he is doing. I don't have that capability. Not many people do. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Memrox
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2014.08.18 11:59:00 -
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Ban Somer, stop these affiliate links and everything will be fair and square. I'd like to see Somer banned on the grounds of causing mass distress to the Eve population for the second time. Almost terr.... like lol |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
518
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Posted - 2014.08.18 12:00:00 -
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Just some wild thoughts for a moment, don't mind me...
Previous patch raised the cost of performing industrial related tasks as a whole while adding other ISK sinks like teams.
CCP (nearly) simultaneously had a plex sale.
A few weeks later, Somer is offering bonus ISK to buy your plex.
Coincidence or ideal timing? 
Edit: While posting, this thought arrived - will Somer buy any plex or only those purchased through Markee Dragon? If I am understanding the flow from what I have read on Mitten's site, then it is only that one route - from Markee. |
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