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Carmen Electra SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1087	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:21:00 - [31] - Quote I had to read the Reddit post a couple of times before I understood how the scheme worked. Pretty clever, Somer... eve is dying
Bruce the Baker Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:28:00 - [32] - Quote the crux under the current business model is that ccp are empowering an external entity to prosper legally enabling actual in game currency conversion to real life currency while telling the rest of the eve community that this is against the eula while allowing them to do so?
Carmen Electra SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1087	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:31:00 - [33] - Quote Bruce the Baker wrote: the crux being under the current business model ccp are empowering an external entity to prosper legally enabling actual in game currency conversion to real life currency while telling the rest of the community that is against the eula As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer. eve is dying
X ATM092 Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 349	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:34:00 - [34] - Quote What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board.
Carmen Electra SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1087	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:39:00 - [35] - Quote X ATM092 wrote: What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board. Actually, this would be extremely interesting. Probably not feasible for many would-be isk farmers to incur the overhead necessary for something like this. But just for kicks, imagine a 3rd party website dedicated to showing you which 3rd party will buy back your PLEX for the most ISK. It'd be like Jita station trading IRL. isk-ception. EDIT: If there were enough people doing this, the competition between 3rd parties would heat up and the margins would get whittled down pretty quickly. eve is dying
Bruce the Baker Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:40:00 - [36] - Quote X ATM092 wrote: What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board. If somer have been approved to do it by CCP then i can see no reason why they would object to the rest of the community operating under the same provisos or considerations unless they weren't impartial to such matters i guess.
Bruce the Baker Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:53:00 - [37] - Quote Things never change. CCP seem to continue to make bad decsions that margionalise the community and benefit the few.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11093	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:59:00 - [38] - Quote Boom Boom Longtime wrote: I've not forgotten. The fact that game makers "gift" players free ** in the first place while others, err get nothing. Totally legit, no sarcasm. It's not "free **" if it has significant in-game value. That's why it was favoritism. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh.
Boom Boom Longtime EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains. 884	Posted - 2014.08.18 03:10:00 - [39] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Boom Boom Longtime wrote: I've not forgotten. The fact that game makers "gift" players free ** in the first place while others, err get nothing. Totally legit, no sarcasm. It's not "free **" if it has significant in-game value. That's why it was favoritism. I concur. Then again i've never been privvy to free stuff from game developers nor favouritism. Eve devs informing an eve player he can milk other eve subscribed players for real life cash as i understand the agreed blink model :sigh: Blink can rmt but others cant? Concord Approved Trader
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 644	Posted - 2014.08.18 03:27:00 - [40] - Quote GOB the Magician wrote: Ohkewl wrote: Xinivrae wrote: Torneach Structor wrote: Bruce the Baker wrote: You seem confused as to the fact i am talking about the fact that somer will as of November start making rl money from the virtual currency that is isk Explanation needed. Links too. Here's a thing. Right now it looks like it's just somer claiming that this is all CCP approved. Apparently, The CSM is aware of it and talking to CCP about it. So tell me, how is this any different then a website like, lets say TM.com, paying their writers in ISK, while the owner of said website makes real money off it? Thats RMT in its purest form, yet no complaints about that. It's completely different. If you put as much effort into reading what you quoted instead of creating an alt just to post in this thread, you'd see that. Then again, never miss out on a grrrrr gooons opportunity :) Ad revenue generated by visitors to tm website with no relation to CCP or eve online. Players write articles about the game they play. Do I win something?

DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 830	Posted - 2014.08.18 03:35:00 - [41] - Quote Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh. If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't.
Bruce the Baker Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2014.08.18 03:48:00 - [42] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh. If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine You talk of in game eve mechanics not considering the real life consequence being real life money moving from one eve players account to another. Playing this game in a certain manner could make others real money (it always could but always against the eula)(now ccp have potentially rubber stamped back door rmt)
Derrick Miles EVENumbers 2093	Posted - 2014.08.18 03:49:00 - [43] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Wait so someone buys a plex, then sells it to somer and he gives them more for it... not really sure hows that RMT, just like if i bought a plex and set the price of 1b and some sap bought it off the market.. i think i'm confused. but meh. If you think it violates the EULA, petition it. CCP are the gods of eve, if they say its fine then well its fine The trick is that you have to buy a PLEX from the SOMER affiliate to get the extra isk. So they're making money from the referral and paying you more isk for buying through them. I can't see CCP letting this one go, but then again the only thing I find consistent about how CCP enforces it's rules is that it's always consistently confusing.
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 6360	Posted - 2014.08.18 03:50:00 - [44] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer. Carm, I think it's pretty cut and dried. Quote: 19.4 Dollars per 1 Billion ISK I don't know how much more of a blatant EULA violation we can get here.. GOB the Magician wrote: too big to fail! This is exactly it. CCP's policy on RMT is business driven (essentially like all EULA policies). If Somer's visibility is bringing cash to CCP's table, this would be a reason why an exception is made. There are "haves" and "have-nots" in EVE, just like with anything else. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 3413	Posted - 2014.08.18 04:12:00 - [45] - Quote CCP's stated policy is that anyone involved in RMT selling will be permabanned and anyone involved in RMT buying will be temp banned and have the transactions reversed. Time to invoke this. No ifs, no buts, buying PLEX for over market rates subject to an out-of-game purchase is RMT, every bit as much as it would be RMT if I said 'give me 200 USD IRL and I'll buy your Tritanium for 10b ISK'. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos
Bruce the Baker Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2014.08.18 04:23:00 - [46] - Quote After the dust and vampire write offs finances have taken a hit. The onus is on the books to be balanced. I'm impartial to somer blink under normal circumstances but I do believe alot is potentially wrong here with the proposed new offerings. Unless CCP can clarify why Somer Blink are unique with their business model then I assume there will be no eula binding particulars which prevent every other tom, **** and harry doing indirect rmt without breaking any rules?
GreenSeed 1113	Posted - 2014.08.18 04:30:00 - [47] - Quote if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about. this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it. move on.
X ATM092 Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 351	Posted - 2014.08.18 04:35:00 - [48] - Quote GreenSeed wrote: if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about. this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it. move on. If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account.
Doctor Who-Dat Stuff Direct Holdings Inc 10	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:00:00 - [49] - Quote X ATM092 wrote: GreenSeed wrote: if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about. this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it. move on. If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account. Ditto on this. I think the thinking is that everyone in eve every day chooses to buy/sell items independently of the current market price based on non-market factors. Corp Chat: Hey pal, not using my orca any more - you want to buy it as is, 75% jita? Contract: WTB 2 Plex @ 1.6b (1,600,000m)
GreenSeed 1113	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:04:00 - [50] - Quote X ATM092 wrote: GreenSeed wrote: if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about. this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it. move on. If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account. sure, go ahead. just like the 8693845 people who rented vent/TS servers to subrent on eve and two months later 2 providers remained. and now i think there's only one. welcome to capitalism

Bruce the Baker Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:04:00 - [51] - Quote Doctor Who-Dat wrote: X ATM092 wrote: GreenSeed wrote: if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about. this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it. move on. If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account. Ditto on this. I think the thinking is that everyone in eve every day chooses to buy/sell items independently of the current market price based on non-market factors. Corp Chat: Hey pal, not using my orca any more - you want to buy it as is, 75% jita? Contract: WTB 2 Plex @ 1.6b (1,600,000m) You seem naive and oblivious to the eula breaking part of this where somebodies bank account outwith CCPs increases during this process.
Garandras Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 224	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:15:00 - [52] - Quote really they are only going to profit from people with mad gambling addictions.. who think it is a awesome idea to buy plex to play blink with.. Because when you give the plex to Somerblink, you are receiving Blink credit not actual isk
Qalix Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra 303	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:17:00 - [53] - Quote X ATM092 wrote: What it's going to come down to is whether you or I could set up the exact same scheme and do it too. If so then prepare for RMT to become commonplace. If not then CCP need to enforce it across the board. It's all about squeezing out the last of the $$$ before they turn off the lights. Assuming for a moment that CCP performed a review of this "process" at some point, the underlying conceit could not have escaped their notice. It's in their interest to sell as many PLEX as possible, whatever the methodology. Who can blame them for succumbing to temptation? They're only human.
Carmen Electra SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1087	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:19:00 - [54] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Carmen Electra wrote: As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer. Carm, I think it's pretty cut and dried. Quote: 19.4 Dollars per 1 Billion ISK I don't know how much more of a blatant EULA violation we can get here.. GOB the Magician wrote: too big to fail! This is exactly it. CCP's policy on RMT is business driven (essentially like all EULA policies). If Somer's visibility is bringing cash to CCP's table, this would be a reason why an exception is made. There are "haves" and "have-nots" in EVE, just like with anything else. Sib, I think the anti-RMT crusaders are being a bit sensationalistic by throwing out exchange rates like $19 per 1B. I'll admit I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't personally know enough about the issue to take a stance on it. I'm certainly not qualified to argue the effect RMT has on the game on a macro scale. However, I do personally see a difference between earning affiliate dollars by incentivizing your visitors to buy products using your referral links and selling 1b ISK on eBay for $20. eve is dying
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 137	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:28:00 - [55] - Quote I can't really think of a reason how this could have gone so wrong again, after the professional management of the situation last time. I mean CCP Dolan made an official thread HALF A YEAR after the incident and silence from CCP, with the promise that the feedback on this thread would be used to form a policy about how CCP handles their relationship with third-party sites. Surely this policy exists by now after HALF A YEAR of feedback collection and processing?! Doesn't it? the Code ALWAYS wins
Doctor Who-Dat Stuff Direct Holdings Inc 10	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:31:00 - [56] - Quote Bruce the Baker wrote: Doctor Who-Dat wrote: X ATM092 wrote: GreenSeed wrote: if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about. this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it. move on. If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account. Ditto on this. I think the thinking is that everyone in eve every day chooses to buy/sell items independently of the current market price based on non-market factors. Corp Chat: Hey pal, not using my orca any more - you want to buy it as is, 75% jita? Contract: WTB 2 Plex @ 1.6b (1,600,000m) You seem naive and oblivious to the eula breaking part of this where somebodies bank account outwith CCPs increases during this process. So in game activity enriches someone who is not CCP out of game and you think this is new? Please, tell me more of how game streams with ads or articles written for isk don't meet your stringent "rmt" criteria. To say someone who has a differing opinion than you is naive or oblivious is pretty trollish in its own right. If I remember correctly from the FF econ panel, people continued to buy plex at pretty normal pace, which was after the "cut-off" date for Blink (or anyone elses) GTC/Plex purchase bonus, showing the influx of plex was independent of any bonus from anyone. To imply that the flow of plex was dependent on this at all is what's naive.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 3414	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:32:00 - [57] - Quote GreenSeed wrote: X ATM092 wrote: GreenSeed wrote: if its approved, then its approved, there's nothing to discuss. and nothing to get upset about. this same ******** discussion happened about 6 years ago with the TS servers and hosting for ISK. now days no one cares about it. move on. If it's approved then it's universally approved and I'll be making an affiliate account. sure, go ahead. just like the 8693845 people who rented vent/TS servers to subrent on eve and two months later 2 providers remained. and now i think there's only one. welcome to capitalism X ATM is pretty well known as a multi-trillionaire market actor in EVE. If this is universally approved, he could well make USD 50k (or much more, if he's worth many trillions, not just a couple) offering the same or similar RMT deals as Somer here. The TS servers offered a way to dodge prohibitions against RMT ISK buying. The prohibitions against RMT selling are much more significant and much more important, as while RMT buyers are cheats and deserve derision, RMT sellers often do much more disruptive things, like credit card fraud, account hacking, and widespread botting. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos
Belt Scout Thread Lockaholics Anonymous 634	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:33:00 - [58] - Quote What's this thread have to do with nerfing sov? . They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 6361	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:41:00 - [59] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: Sib, I think the anti-RMT crusaders are being a bit sensationalistic by throwing out exchange rates like $19 per 1B. I'll admit I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't personally know enough about the issue to take a stance on it. I'm certainly not qualified to argue the effect RMT has on the game on a macro scale. However, I do personally see a difference between earning affiliate dollars by incentivizing your visitors to buy products using your referral links and selling 1b ISK on eBay for $20. Hi Carm, The math is included in the Reddit link and the poster mentions that their estimate is conservative ($0.875 per PLEX referral). Do you think this is an exaggerated amount? You're saying you "see a difference", but can you tell me what the difference is exactly? Somer is paying 45m ISK and he gets $0.875 as a result. Scale that to 1b ISK and he's getting $19. What exactly is the difference between Somer's RMT, and the RMT some sap who gets banned is doing? I see no fundamental difference, except that Somer's volume may be considered a nice windfall for CCP's PLEX sales. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4239	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:49:00 - [60] - Quote Don't worry guys, I have inside info that this will be fixed next update.



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