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metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:23:00 -
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Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?
You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.
Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.
CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6585
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:26:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?
You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction...
CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.
Its a multiplayer game, dimbulb
The rewards are greater when you take more risk
More team-mates means more risk, you saavy?
If you dont want to play with others, theres plenty of single player space games out there.
I highly recommend any of the X series except Rebirth.
Ramona's Log SuppleMental: Why should those of us who like flying in attack wings in PvE and PvP bow to what loners want? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4280
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:26:00 -
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Because it's a multi player game. And you are the content. =][= |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
5786
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:27:00 -
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Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
I don't really see CCP forcing anyone to do anything in particular. Your choice. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:32:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:metalravenous wrote:Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?
You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction...
CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun. Its a multiplayer game, dimbulb The rewards are greater when you take more risk More team-mates means more risk, you saavy? If you dont want to play with others, theres plenty of single player space games out there. I highly recommend any of the X series except Rebirth.
You are totally missing the point which is there is a large portion of the player base that doesn't want to deal with name callers like yourself. |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:33:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
I don't really see CCP forcing anyone to do anything in particular. Your choice.
I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4280
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:35:00 -
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metalravenous wrote: Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing.
also, Why do you think this? I use alts to facilitate my efficiency as part of a larger group, to essentially be two people in a group, not to replace anyone . Everyone I know who dose this will have a similar reason. =][= |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:39:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:metalravenous wrote: Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing.
also, Why do you think this? I use alts to facilitate my efficiency as part of a larger group, to essentially be two people in a group, not to replace anyone . Everyone I know who dose this will have a similar reason.
In any alliance I have ever been in the majority of people do not get into fleets they just keep ratting or mining or if forced to it will log off. No one really wants to do fleets even the people that go to them.
Maximum efficiency is you doing everything yourself at your own pace and in your own time, thereby replacing the need for anyone, just saying.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6585
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:40:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:metalravenous wrote:Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?
You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction...
CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun. Its a multiplayer game, dimbulb The rewards are greater when you take more risk More team-mates means more risk, you saavy? If you dont want to play with others, theres plenty of single player space games out there. I highly recommend any of the X series except Rebirth. You are totally missing the point which is there is a large portion of the player base that doesn't want to deal with name callers like yourself.
Out of my entire point, the one you fixated on was the one where I suggested I was doubtful of your intellect?
Sir, I call a spade a spade. If you stopped being so over-sensitive and read the rest of the reply, and could concentrate on answering what exactly is wrong with my own supposition, I could actually try to understand your point of view.
As it is, you seem to want EvE to stop being an MMO and become a single player game, and seem to be suggesting that the majority of people agree?
Is this a true reading of your OP? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Darth Bladius
Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels
25
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:41:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
I don't really see CCP forcing anyone to do anything in particular. Your choice. I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing.
You can-¦t avoid multiplayer aspects in a purely multiplayer game.
Plus if you are smart or just an average character, you won-¦t be scammed... |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6585
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:42:00 -
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metalravenous wrote: Maximum efficiency is you doing everything yourself at your own pace and in your own time
No it isnt
Otherwise the production line would not have replaced the craftsman in general manufacturing. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
14
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:42:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:metalravenous wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:metalravenous wrote:Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?
You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction...
CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun. Its a multiplayer game, dimbulb The rewards are greater when you take more risk More team-mates means more risk, you saavy? If you dont want to play with others, theres plenty of single player space games out there. I highly recommend any of the X series except Rebirth. You are totally missing the point which is there is a large portion of the player base that doesn't want to deal with name callers like yourself. Out of my entire point, the one you fixated on was the one where I suggested I was doubtful of your intellect? Sir, I call a spade a spade. If you stopped being so over-sensitive and read the rest of the reply, and could concentrate on answering what exactly is wrong with my own supposition, I could actually try to understand your point of view. As it is, you seem to want EvE to stop being an MMO and become a single player game, and seem to be suggesting that the majority of people agree? Is this a true reading of your OP?
I stopped reading or caring what you had to say after the name calling started. If you want to edit your post and try again I might as well.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6585
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:45:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:
I stopped reading or caring what you had to say after the name calling started. If you want to edit your post and try again I might as well.
Done.
Go for it. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:47:00 -
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Darth Bladius wrote:metalravenous wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
I don't really see CCP forcing anyone to do anything in particular. Your choice. I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing. You can-¦t avoid multiplayer aspects in a purely multiplayer game. Plus if you are smart or just an average character, you won-¦t be scammed...
May not be able to avoid but can minimize interactions.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4281
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:49:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:Darth Bladius wrote:metalravenous wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
I don't really see CCP forcing anyone to do anything in particular. Your choice. I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing. You can-¦t avoid multiplayer aspects in a purely multiplayer game. Plus if you are smart or just an average character, you won-¦t be scammed... May not be able to avoid but can minimize interactions. Why? =][= |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:49:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:metalravenous wrote: Maximum efficiency is you doing everything yourself at your own pace and in your own time
No it isnt Otherwise the production line would not have replaced the craftsman in general manufacturing.
Your comparison doesn't make any sense you aren't building a house you are clicking buttons. |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:50:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:metalravenous wrote:Darth Bladius wrote:metalravenous wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
I don't really see CCP forcing anyone to do anything in particular. Your choice. I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing. You can-¦t avoid multiplayer aspects in a purely multiplayer game. Plus if you are smart or just an average character, you won-¦t be scammed... May not be able to avoid but can minimize interactions. Why?
Because you don't want to deal with other people?
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1334
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:53:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
"Got a 10/10, anyone wanna come?"
"Sure, let me just get ship/fit ship/take dog out/feed baby/change the spare tyre....."
"Never mind.......*signup new account*"
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metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Here you go with the naughty words taken out;
The rewards are greater when you take more risk
More team-mates means more risk, you saavy?
If you dont want to play with others, theres plenty of single player space games out there.
I highly recommend any of the X series except Rebirth.
Ramona's Log SuppleMental: Why should those of us who like flying in attack wings in PvE and PvP bow to what loners want?
When people could solo sites by orbiting beacons in frigs and getting pay days what risk was there really? More risk means more reward is just CCP catch phrase that actually isn't even true. There are all sorts of activities you can do in this game that are zero to little risk that have high pay outs.
I don't want to play other games, I like EVE I just don't want to be told non stop that I need to play with others, or have changes put in place that force me to have to. Essentially CCP is being you mom telling you to go play with the other kids when the other kids have behavioral issue like being compulsive liars, kleptomaniacs, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Sure they are people too just doesn't mean I have or want to be their friends.
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shimiku
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:01:00 -
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i dont know if MMO is the key word here |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:01:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Meh.
From my perspective, it just makes sense if you want to get the job done right, that you do it with other people.
"Got a 10/10, anyone wanna come?" "Sure, let me just get ship/fit ship/take dog out/feed baby/change the spare tyre....." "Never mind.......*signup new account*"
Second account was made for that one a long time ago. Your baby and family is your problem, stop trying to make it mine as well.
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:02:00 -
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Because MMO companies just don't seem to learn.
Might be because they want to lose more subscriptions.
Basically it comes down to this, if you have content that people can join in with but do not have to join a group to do it then more people seem to be happier with that. Warhammer Online was a good example with their RvR (realm v's realm), yes I know it's a dead game now but it wasn't because of the RvR, but more because of the uneven realm populations.
Forcing people to group to do content just doesn't work because, there's a lot of players that won't join corps/guilds anymore for various reasons. So if content becomes more group orientated all it will do is push more people away from the game.
It's a sandbox, developers shouldn't try to push players into playing the way they want them to play.
As for those that keep saying it's an MMO you should have to group, you're still living in the stone age . MMO communities are much more varied these days. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6587
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:02:00 -
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metalravenous wrote: When people could solo sites by orbiting beacons in frigs and getting pay days what risk was there really? More risk means more reward is just CCP catch phrase that actually isn't even true. There are all sorts of activities you can do in this game that are zero to little risk that have high pay outs.
What is the payout for the activity you have quoted? (Operating in Militia Space lowsec where there are other militia ships as well as pirates operating?)
metalravenous wrote:I don't want to play other games, I like EVE I just don't want to be told non stop that I need to play with others, or have changes put in place that force me to have to. Essentially CCP is being you mom telling you to go play with the other kids when the other kids have behavioral issue like being compulsive liars, kleptomaniacs, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Sure they are people too just doesn't mean I have or want to be their friends.
Have you tried X? It has pretty much everything EvE has without the other people to interact with.
And what things are you being prevented from doing on your own? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:04:00 -
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shimiku wrote:i dont know if MMO is the key word here
http://www.kadeshi.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=184272
I'm sure that guy is happy you were all there to help him. Look at all his "friends" who whored on the kill as well.  |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4283
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:07:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:
Because you I don't want to deal with other people?
then why are you playing the game that's famously driven by player interaction in literally every facet. =][= |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
820
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:08:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX. Wrong.
Burner missions are entirely optional and there is no standing loss for declining them.
Also, obligatory Eve is a multiplayer game. Sure its a sandbox, but stop complaining when someone comes and throws sand in your face because you want to play alone.
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:09:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:metalravenous wrote: When people could solo sites by orbiting beacons in frigs and getting pay days what risk was there really? More risk means more reward is just CCP catch phrase that actually isn't even true. There are all sorts of activities you can do in this game that are zero to little risk that have high pay outs.
What is the payout for the activity you have quoted? (Operating in Militia Space lowsec where there are other militia ships as well as pirates operating?) metalravenous wrote:I don't want to play other games, I like EVE I just don't want to be told non stop that I need to play with others, or have changes put in place that force me to have to. Essentially CCP is being you mom telling you to go play with the other kids when the other kids have behavioral issue like being compulsive liars, kleptomaniacs, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Sure they are people too just doesn't mean I have or want to be their friends.
Have you tried X? It has pretty much everything EvE has without the other people to interact with. And what things are you being prevented from doing on your own?
What I do is my own business and I'm not here to discuss ISK/hour. I am not trying to quantify anything, You are trying to make the point that more risk is more reward and I am saying no and even if it does it doesn't matter because I don't care. I just want to be able to play the game how I want to and how it is fun for me. My point is I don't think CCP should be investing time and resources in trying to push people together when they really don't want to be. It just creates bad feelings and bad Karma. |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:11:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:metalravenous wrote:
Because you I don't want to deal with other people?
then why are you playing the game that's famously driven by player interaction in literally every facet.
People get married and then stay together because it is just easier. Things don't have to change they just need to not get any worse. Is CCP really looking to keep my business as a player or are they willing to say we don't need you? That is poor customer service.
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:12:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:metalravenous wrote:
Because you I don't want to deal with other people?
then why are you playing the game that's famously driven by player interaction in literally every facet.
Driven yeah, but you don't have to group to play it. But if new content is all group orientated then those that don't group will just feel that their subscriptions are not wanted.
Plus it's not easy to group with this game, just finding a good corp is hard enough. Especially as corps in this game are so fussy and nosey. |

metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:13:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:metalravenous wrote:Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX. Wrong. Burner missions are entirely optional and there is no standing loss for declining them. Also, obligatory Eve is a multiplayer game. Sure its a sandbox, but stop complaining when someone comes and throws sand in your face because you want to play alone.
Burner missions are an example of a larger problem attitude that CCP has.
I am not complaining about sand being thrown in my face I am saying that CCP shouldn't be trying to force me to throw sand in someone else's face and trying to make me think I will some how enjoy it. |
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