So ok, from what you're saying gold ammo wouldn't be pay-to-win either. After all you're saying it's not what you use it's how you use it.

Although a player with a character with 25 million sp who has been playing for a week is going to do well against another character that's been playing for a week even with no experience.

So ok, from what you're saying gold ammo wouldn't be pay-to-win either. After all you're saying it's not what you use it's how you use it.


I don't agree with you on that of course in respect to what is pay-to-win. But yeah, experience does count.

Although a player with a character with 25 million sp who has been playing for a week is going to do well against another character that's been playing for a week even with no experience.

Well I disagree with you there.

PLEX you would buy, you have to sell them on the in-game market to convert them to isk (which isn't hard to do)

A character from the character bazaar, would come from isk generated by additional PLEX.

You're making a category error so big, that I am having trouble believing that you aren't just trolling.




And is going to get his ass handed to him by a player who has played through all 12.5 million of his own skillpoints, let alone against a veteran.

So, since I've been called a lot of psychological terms as an attempted insult by people on this forum, I figure I might take it up myself.

The OP is exhibiting antisocial personality disorder, with a side of persecution complex.

Did I do it right?

This is what happens when people try to pay to win.

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You can-¦t avoid multiplayer aspects in a purely multiplayer game.

The issue is that you can circumvent multiplayer aspects by having a set of alts, because they are not a unique players, hence there is no multiplayer interaction.

The player who spends 3 hours training gets 3 hours worth of experience. PLEX does not alter how much time you can spend training.

No, what you were talking about was...[quote]

Stop right there, I stated what it is I was talking about plain and clear. I would know better than you what it was I was talking about since, you know, I'm the one talking about it.

[quote] I simply agree that a person with 3 hours worth of training has an advantage over one with only 1 hour. PLEX is not what makes that possible.

Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?

You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.

Because it's a multi player game.
And you are the content.

Plex absolutely does alter how much time can be spent practicing pvp. When you need isk to fund your PvP, time spent grinding PvE is time that could've went toward practicing PvP. Buying plex and selling it for 700m - 800m takes all of what? 10minutes tops? How many hours of PvE would it take to acquire that much isk? Well, those hours could've went to practicing PvP instead.

EvE is a PvP game.

Getting out there in your ship fighting other people's ships (one of the ways to PvP in EvE) is considered practice/experience. Under normal circumstances, a person gets better the more they practice (the more experience they gain).

Person A practices the entire time they are online. Let's say 3 hours a night. They spend the entire time practicing because they just buy plex and sell it in game for the isk they need to afford practicing.
Person B practices only 1 hour a night because the other 2 hours is spent grinding isk to afford practicing.

Someone being able to practice 3 hours a night has an absolute advantage over someone who is only able to practice 1 hour a night.

Therefore person A was able to buy an advantage.

The "because you can do it without paying, it just takes longer" is a complete strawman and does not invalidate the P2W concept. In fact, it's because of such a statement that it becomes P2W. If it took the same amount of time regardless if you pay or do it in game, then it would not be P2W as there wouldn't be any advantage to doing it one way over the other. So if person A had to sit in station for 2 hours in order to turn that plex into isk, and if person B could earn the same amount of isk in two hours as person A does by selling the plex, then it would not be a P2W situation as neither one gets an advantage.

That's the whole point behind plex though. The fact you can sell it for isk in a fraction of the time it would take you to go out and earn that isk in game. If this advantage didn't exist, then there wouldn't be any point to even sell plex in the first place.

.....In order for you to convince people of your point of view, you need to support your suppositions with evidence, at least anecdotal evidence, otherwise no one has any reason to see how you came to your conclusion.....

....What exactly is your purpose in suggesting somehting that the majority clearly dont believe in in the first place?....

#1. "EVE is a pvp game" is used here in such a way that it suggests 'ship v ship' combat. When people say EVE is a pvp game, they mean that EVE is a game of interaction and much of that interaction is conflict. For example, As an explorer I 'pvp' against every other explorer as I endeavor to find valuable items then trade those items for other things (like isk). Same with market pvp, competition between builders and such.

#2. The above quoted post seems suppose that there are only 2 ways to get isk, 'grinding' or buying plex. It's as if the various totally passive isk generation methods don't exist at all lol. Very many PVPrs I know use these passive methods in order to spend all their time PVPing. In fact, it's only a foolish PVPr that 'grinds' anything, shooting rats or rocks are the poor man's way of earning isk.

PLEX offers zero benefit over and above smart game play, where as in a p2w game paying trumps EVERY other possible advantage.

Even the gold ammo in WoT (which is considered P2W) gets trumped by smart game play. Comparing one to the other is not a proper comparison.

Plex absolutely does alter how much time can be spent practicing pvp.

Stop right there, I stated what it is I was talking about plain and clear.

Thanks for agreeing with me with that first sentence.

You know that saying that "practice makes perfect"? The person who can spend more of their game time practicing PvP will become the better player at PvP.

Not in the slightest, actually. Nothing PLEX offers makes any difference in how much time you have. Again, your entire idea rests on the nonsensical notion that you need vast amounts of ISK to practice.

GǪand you were wrong. Fancy that. It's called moving the goal posts and it's a bad thing. I don't care what you were thinking about. I care about what you actually said.

You know that saying that "practice makes perfect"? The person who can spend more of their game time practicing PvP will become the better player at PvP.

I must have missed something. What content that you can easily do solo did they remove?

It doesn't need to be "vast" amounts of isk. It simply needs to require isk.

Time spend earning isk in game (any amount) is time not PvPing.

Don't confuse your incapability to grasp the message with me not stating what I was thinking.

Not "training" if you mean character training. Practicing.

Which has everything to do with selling Plex for isk. For most, it'll cost isk to replace lost ships and fits (and maybe even implants) when PvPing.

Essentially CCP is being you mom telling you to go play with the other kids when the other kids have behavioral issue like being compulsive liars, kleptomaniacs, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Sure they are people too just doesn't mean I have or want to be their friends.

ccp figured out solo players are more likely to quit the game is why

I am not complaining about sand being thrown in my face I am saying that CCP shouldn't be trying to force me to throw sand in someone else's face and trying to make me think I will some how enjoy it.

Why does a corp need to have my full API? Only reason really is so they can track and know everything about me. You get into some of these corporation and they turn out to either be right wing bible thumpers or left wing nuts. You disagree even a little with them and they are holding you and your assets hostages. Have you ever been stalked in game because you didn't agree with someone's views on health care or gun control in the USA? Not a fun place to be in.