Because MMO companies just don't seem to learn.


Might be because they want to lose more subscriptions.




Basically it comes down to this, if you have content that people can join in with but do not have to join a group to do it then more people seem to be happier with that. Warhammer Online was a good example with their RvR (realm v's realm), yes I know it's a dead game now but it wasn't because of the RvR, but more because of the uneven realm populations.

Forcing people to group to do content just doesn't work because, there's a lot of players that won't join corps/guilds anymore for various reasons. So if content becomes more group orientated all it will do is push more people away from the game.

It's a sandbox, developers shouldn't try to push players into playing the way they want them to play.


As for those that keep saying it's an MMO you should have to group, you're still living in the stone age . MMO communities are much more varied these days.

What I do is my own business and I'm not here to discuss ISK/hour. I am not trying to quantify anything, You are trying to make the point that more risk is more reward and I am saying no and even if it does it doesn't matter because I don't care. I just want to be able to play the game how I want to and how it is fun for me. My point is I don't think CCP should be investing time and resources in trying to push people together when they really don't want to be. It just creates bad feelings and bad Karma.

Driven yeah, but you don't have to group to play it. But if new content is all group orientated then those that don't group will just feel that their subscriptions are not wanted.

Plus it's not easy to group with this game, just finding a good corp is hard enough. Especially as corps in this game are so fussy and nosey.

In any alliance I have ever been in the majority of people do not get into fleets they just keep ratting or mining or if forced to it will log off. No one really wants to do fleets even the people that go to them.

Maximum efficiency is you doing everything yourself at your own pace and in your own time, thereby replacing the need for anyone, just saying.

I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing.

No, what Im trying to do is have an informed discussion about the point that you brought up.

In order for you to convince people of your point of view, you need to support your suppositions with evidence, at least anecdotal evidence, otherwise no one has any reason to see how you came to your conclusion.

You can say you don't care what others think of your supposition all you like, but then why announce your point of view in a public forum if you dont want to either discuss the pros and cons of it, or convince others to support your cause?

What exactly is your purpose in suggesting somehting that the majority clearly dont believe in in the first place?

Are you so unsure of your position and your original supposition that you are unwilling to provide anything at all to support your point of view?

If so, then please do, I want to hear why you think that it is the way it is, and if its compelling, perhaps you will have me and others support your case.

If not, then it would be polite to back down with some dignity.

That is more indicative of the alliances you've been in. Another way of reading this thread is you need to be more careful about the people you choose to play with.

At worse case minority or people don't want all of these PVP corp or alliance interactions. You don't think these people deserve to have their views respected?

Now you are just being wordy for the sake of being wordy and trying to complicate something simple.

At worse case minority or people don't want all of these PVP corp or alliance interactions. You don't think these people deserve to have their views respected?

Now you are just being wordy for the sake of being wordy and trying to complicate something simple.

At worse case minority or people don't want all of these PVP corp or alliance interactions. You don't think these people deserve to have their views respected?

Burner missions are an example of a larger problem attitude that CCP has.

I am not complaining about sand being thrown in my face I am saying that CCP shouldn't be trying to force me to throw sand in someone else's face and trying to make me think I will some how enjoy it.

http://www.kadeshi.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=184272

I'm sure that guy is happy you were all there to help him. Look at all his "friends" who whored on the kill as well.

First of all, and I mean this in regard to post #34, you're completely nuts.

Second of all, they encourage multiplayer gameplay because this is an MMO, the second M stands for Multiplayer.

Pretty much the only way you can genuinely play an MMO wrong is by trying to bury your head in the sand and play it like a single player game. If you want that there are plenty more games out there that are happy to enable antisocial behavior.

And with all the solo games out there, why are these people thick skulled enough to play an MMO, where they cant do much alone, when they can be king of the world in some solo game. Seem to me they need to study the word MMO for a bit and find out what the 2 M's stand for... Why join a game and want to change it, just to annoy the people that already play and enjoy it, instead of just going with a solo game from the start?

I have been scammed one too many times to see things this way. I am guessing as well you never had to wait a week to get some cynos lit because the guy who did it was in another time zone. when you wait for others you are paying CCP for nothing.

Is a purely market trader playing the MMO in the way that you are thinking? I would say no.

In fact I would say a market trader playing against one of the many market bots in Jita is probably about as far removed from your idea of what an MMO is.

Of course there are going to be interactions, that is inescapable, all I am saying is CCP needs to not be trying to force me to have more interactions then I want to have or feel comfortable having.

all I am saying is CCP needs to not be trying to force me to have more interactions then I want to have or feel comfortable having.

No Im not. And I will not be drawn into insulting you because you don't want to read what I have written.

The majority of people who play EvE DO operate in Corps and Alliances and DO fleet up.

That is simply a fact and you can deny it if you like, but you are deluded or misled if you actually believe this.

Is a purely market trader playing the MMO in the way that you are thinking? I would say no. In fact I would say a market trader playing against one of the many market bots in Jita is probably about as far removed from your idea of what an MMO is. Of course there are going to be interactions, that is inescapable, all I am saying is CCP needs to not be trying to force me to have more interactions then I want to have or feel comfortable having.

I am not saying you can't play the game how you want. I am saying that CCP shouldn't be making content that solely caters to or forces people into these situations.

Because AI's are too predictable, solo games feel empty.

People that solo in MMO's still interact with others they just don't join corps/guilds/gangs. Even having other people running around helps breath life into a game. There's a lot of solo MMO players around.

I solo most of the time, reasons being, been in player corps/guilds didn't like the way they run. Also when I play a game I don't want to have to play it the way someone else wants me to play or have someone following me around nearly all the time. Plus in groups you seem to spend so much wasted time just waiting for them to get organised. I don't even use voice software because of all the crap people speak, which I don't really want to listen to.

I am saying that CCP shouldn't be making content that solely caters to or forces people into these situations.

Those two sentences mean the same thing.

You want group content taken away from other people because you don't want to do it yourself.

Your entitlement is appalling.

I just want to be able to play the game how I want to and how it is fun for me.

No I want CCP to take a more balanced approach. Sorry if you don't think I should be valued as a customer just as much as you.

I am pretty sure CCP's numbers indicate otherwise. In fact there have been whole patches dedicated to trying to get people out of high sec and in low and null.

You are also framing this in an us versus them fashion. I am not saying you can't play the game how you want. I am saying that CCP shouldn't be making content that solely caters to or forces people into these situations.