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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2529
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:36:00 -
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Wonder if this is relevant?
edit - snipe 
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6591
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:36:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:I also do not think it is fair for anyone to be making the argument that this is how the game is and you started to play so now you can't try and shape it in a way that you want it to be. I mean any bittervet could use that as an argument to not change anything ever.
And I dont think its fair that you should be able to shape it to your way without supporting your opinion with examples, citations or evidence for why you think it needs changed.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
9176
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:metalravenous wrote:I also do not think it is fair for anyone to be making the argument that this is how the game is and you started to play so now you can't try and shape it in a way that you want it to be. I mean any bittervet could use that as an argument to not change anything ever. And I dont think its fair that you should be able to shape it to your way without supporting your opinion with examples, citations or evidence for why you think it needs changed.
And, even if you do those things, the answer is still "Hell no!", by the way.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
200
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:39:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:all I am saying is CCP needs to not be trying to force me to have more interactions then I want to have or feel comfortable having.
No one forces you to do anything. You are completly free to play something which is not a MMO instead and nobody would care |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4283
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:40:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:metalravenous wrote: I am not saying you can't play the game how you want. I am saying that CCP shouldn't be making content that solely caters to or forces people into these situations.
Those two sentences mean the same thing. You want group content taken away from other people because you don't want to do it yourself. Your entitlement is appalling. No I want CCP to take a more balanced approach. Sorry if you don't think I should be valued as a customer just as much as you.
I don't like diet coke, I don't drink it. I didn't like coke zero either, I don't drink that.
I fact , I hate coke.
I do like Bushmills though so I drink that.
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
49
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:40:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:
I guess that is your opinion. I disagree. I find people in this game to be predictable in their back stabbing and why that is why I prefer a more solo experience.
That's a different matter.
It's a problem with EVE as backstabbing seems to be a way of life here. There's more paranoia in this game because of it.
EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.
But AI's are certainly more predictable than people, even people that you think are predictable can surprise you sometimes. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4285
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:47:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:
EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.
You are so wide of the mark with this you aren't even wrong.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6591
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:49:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:
EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.
Those I trust, Id give everything I had to and know I would get it back.
Everyone else, I count my fingers after paying them.
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:49:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:
EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.
You are so wide of the mark with this you aren't even wrong.
I'm talking about the community as a whole, not individual alliances. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4285
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:50:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:
EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to.
You are so wide of the mark with this you aren't even wrong. I'm talking about the community as a whole, not individual alliances.
I know.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2531
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:53:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:metalravenous wrote:
I guess that is your opinion. I disagree. I find people in this game to be predictable in their back stabbing and why that is why I prefer a more solo experience.
That's a different matter. It's a problem with EVE as backstabbing seems to be a way of life here. There's more paranoia in this game because of it. EVE doesn't exactly foster a good community spirit, but I guess it's not designed to. But AI's are certainly more predictable than people, even people that you think are predictable can surprise you sometimes.
cool story bro ...
Counter story -- some of my best contacts in this game are from these "back-stabbers" you speak of.
Granted, I don't trust them ultimately, but there's enough trust that we can get stuff done.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
9178
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:58:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:
Counter story -- some of my best contacts in this game are from these "back-stabbers" you speak of.
Granted, I don't trust them ultimately, but there's enough trust that we can get stuff done.
For example, I run an excellent unadvertised third party service, I have absolutely zero negative transactions.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2533
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Velicitia wrote:
Counter story -- some of my best contacts in this game are from these "back-stabbers" you speak of.
Granted, I don't trust them ultimately, but there's enough trust that we can get stuff done.
For example, I run an excellent unadvertised third party service, I have absolutely zero negative transactions.
Oh really?
You have a newsletter I can sign up for? 
Also, these "bad guy" types have been the most help out of any other group in the game. It's because of them that I can fit ships well enough.
I mean, they get the job done, but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ...
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
9179
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:06:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ...
Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding".
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
1558
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:10:00 -
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Because it's a Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Game.
Also, studies have shown that players who play with groups stay with EVE Online.
So from a business perspective it's smart. If you want to leave, then leave - if you're a solo player you'll leave eventually anyway, sooner instead of later.
Epic Space Cat |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2533
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:13:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Velicitia wrote:but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ... Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding".
more performance out of the SHIPS. 
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6593
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Velicitia wrote:but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ... Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding".
\o/
Hey, its not always forcing
There's tricking and deceit
And slipping it in their soup too
And my personal favourite; the "string-into-sleeping -mouth-pour-serum-down-string" ploy
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech
Masters of Flying Objects
170
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:23:00 -
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Just read the OP and skipped to the end.
Two things,
1. Never tried them yet but from what I hear, it sounds like the risk doesn't properly match the reward with these missions. In other words, they're not worth doing.
2. You hit the nail on the head with alts. These will encourage the use of alt accounts. EVE is pay to win after all. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4289
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:24:00 -
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Or good old indoctrination _o/\0/\o_
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
9181
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:24:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Velicitia wrote:but I bet if I talked to people, I could find ways to squeeze even more performance out of them ... Well, you have to be Amarr for that. And it's less "talking" and more "forcing them into drug dependence to do your bidding". more performance out of the SHIPS.
Like, whipping the crew to make them work faster?
I imagine that's what "Overheat" is for Amarr ships.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6600
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:25:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:EVE is pay to win after all.
I understand these words individually, but in this order they make no sense
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2539
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Like, whipping the crew to make them work faster?
I imagine that's what "Overheat" is for Amarr ships.
Yeah, fine, that ...
I mean stuff like "replace the DCU II with the M4, and you'll get just enough CPU freed up to fit [this other module] that gives enough resists to offset the loss from the DCU, and you still end up higher than with the DCU II"
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4290
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:31:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Just read the OP and skipped to the end.
Two things,
1. Never tried them yet but from what I hear, it sounds like the risk doesn't properly match the reward with these missions. In other words, they're not worth doing.
2. You hit the nail on the head with alts. These will encourage the use of alt accounts. EVE is pay to win after all.
1) then don't whine about them
2)no he didn't. Ye all don't spend time in assault frigates!? Shouldn't need alts for this.
Explain yourself.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
9187
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:36:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Like, whipping the crew to make them work faster?
I imagine that's what "Overheat" is for Amarr ships.
Yeah, fine, that ... I mean stuff like "replace the DCU II with the M4, and you'll get just enough CPU freed up to fit [this other module] that gives enough resists to offset the loss from the DCU, and you still end up higher than with the DCU II"
Oh, *fitting* advice. Yeah, I'm not really all that good at that, most of my fits are stolen, or unorthodox in the bad way, like armor tanked Worms.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
The Camel Empire
1009
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:38:00 -
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If you fly the burner mission with 2 Pilots, the payout is cut in half, but the fly time probably is not. I think that is balanced.
Or OP could give us some better examples.
German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
50
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:38:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:EVE is pay to win after all. I understand these words individually, but in this order they make no sense
I'd say
PLEX is a form of pay-to-win, makes it easy to buy ships/skill books/implants although somewhat limited by what skills your character has trained.
Buying ready made characters via the bazaar is a form of pay-to-win.
Multiple accounts is also a form of pay-to-win, for obvious reasons, even CCP acknowledges this with their power of two adverts.
They're the only ones I can think of though. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
1568
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:39:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:
2. You hit the nail on the head with alts. These will encourage the use of alt accounts. EVE is pay to win after all.
Or y'know you can just make friends.
Epic Space Cat |
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard in Space II
262
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:43:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:
CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.
You're not wrong and you can see from my Corp that I'm with you.
BUT after posting in the same vein in the past I've come to realise 'we' can adapt.
I solo pvp succesfuly and explore solo ( especially now the loot spew = teamwork fiasco is over) , but when my iSK gets low I PVE with some great guys.
Running a 5/10 solo in a busy pipe is too hard for me, so I choose to do it with friends for security, speed and a goodly iSK share.
I don't need CCP to make the 5/10s easier , I just adapt my game and I'm pretty sure you will too.
Believe me, I'm with you, but being under pressure to play solo would be a worse option.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
12816
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:47:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:
Now you are just being wordy for the sake of being wordy and trying to complicate something simple.
At worse case minority or people don't want all of these PVP corp or alliance interactions. You don't think these people deserve to have their views respected?
No.
They chose to play a game in which near all of the content involves other people. If they don't want that then there are a number of other games out there more suited to them.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7799
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:51:00 -
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metalravenous wrote:Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?
You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.
Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.
CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.
I've beaten every burner mission I've been offers so far with 1 account. Daredevil ftw.
This is nothing more than the imaginary "CCP why you try make me go null sec" BS in new clothes. No one is trying to make you do anything, in fact CCP went out of their way to make these new Burner missions 100% optional. you can decline them with no loss.
It is not CCPs fault, however, that you chose to play their game, a game that is an MMO and thus offers benefits to people who group up. As you are in a null sec corporation you should understand this.
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