Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?

You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.

What on earth is a burner mission?

It's what people get when they are in the Navy and their ship docks in Bangkok.

Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?

You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.

The rewards are greater when you take more risk

More team-mates means more risk, you saavy?

I'd say

PLEX is a form of pay-to-win, makes it easy to buy ships/skill books/implants although somewhat limited by what skills your character has trained.

Buying ready made characters via the bazaar is a form of pay-to-win.

Multiple accounts is also a form of pay-to-win, for obvious reasons, even CCP acknowledges this with their power of two adverts.



They're the only ones I can think of though.

That's pretty much it.

Sure you can earn enough isk to plex your accounts however I see that as earning your "win" (term used loosely).

That means there is no P2W by the way. Paying doesn't offer any advantage over not paying, and if you're not getting any GÇ£winGÇ¥ for your GÇ£payGÇ¥, it can hardly count as P2W.

Anything you can pay for you can be had without paying for it. In fact, in order for you to be able to pay for it, it must already be available without paying for it because that's how the stuff in question comes into existence. At no point are you able to skip any mechanics or circumvent the normal order of production. All you can do is sponsor other players' game time in the hope that they'll give some of their earnings back to you.

Why is CCP so Hell bent on making people work together, be it missions, incursions, SOV etc in this game?

You can play EVE with minimal risk and interaction by avoiding any sort of PVP and being smart about things. It just makes sense if you want to get the job done right that you do it yourself. People already have multiple accounts in order to avoid having to deal with corp thieves and griefers or even having to rely on others to light cynos for you.

Personally I think the majority of the player base would prefer just to do their own thing. Burner missions are being used to force feed interactions that no one really wants to have and are just forcing people to get more accounts (tools for the job) and in turn making people use their hard earned isk to buy more expensive PLEX.

CCP stop trying to tell me I have to play with other people to have fun.

EvE is a PvP game.

Getting out there in your ship fighting other people's ships (one of the ways to PvP in EvE) is considered practice/experience. Under normal circumstances, a person gets better the more they practice (the more experience they gain).

Person A practices the entire time they are online. Let's say 3 hours a night. They spend the entire time practicing because they just buy plex and sell it in game for the isk they need to afford practicing.
Person B practices only 1 hour a night because the other 2 hours is spent grinding isk to afford practicing.

Someone being able to practice 3 hours a night has an absolute advantage over someone who is only able to practice 1 hour a night.

Therefore person A was able to buy an advantage.

The "because you can do it without paying, it just takes longer" is a complete strawman

GǪand no amount of paying for it lets you win over the other player. Well, maybe if you count paying him off, but I think he'll call that a win on his end rather than on yours.

But it wasn't an advantage he bought.
It's an advantage he spent time on.

What you're describing is the exact opposite of P2W and the very reason why EVE isn't a P2W game. PLEX is not even remotely a requirement for what you describe GÇö that part is pure nonsense. What you need is time, not ISK. Selling PLEX does not let you skip over the time investment needed to win. If anything, you are giving away time by using PLEX the way you're describing: you're giving other people time that they can use on improving rather than doing it yourself.

That's a good reason why you shouldn't try to use it as an argument, then. vOv

Lining it out doesn't make it untrue.

But I could use a good laugh to so please explain who person A "spent time" on the advantage.

Oh and it was you who used "because you can do it without paying, it just takes longer" within your argument.

GǪand no amount of paying for it lets you win over the other player. Well, maybe if you count paying him off, but I think he'll call that a win on his end rather than on yours.

But it wasn't an advantage he bought.
It's an advantage he spent time on.

What you're describing is the exact opposite of P2W and the very reason why EVE isn't a P2W game. PLEX is not even remotely a requirement for what you describe GÇö that part is pure nonsense. What you need is time, not ISK. Selling PLEX does not let you skip over the time investment needed to win. If anything, you are giving away time by using PLEX the way you're describing: you're giving other people time that they can use on improving rather than doing it yourself.

That's a good reason why you shouldn't try to use it as an argument, then. vOv

No, but you're reading it backwards: I crossed it out because it isn't true. PLEX isn't even remotely a factor in how much you can train (wellGǪ at least not on the PLEX seller side GÇö the buyer obviously gets 30 days of play time which helps in letting them hone their skills). If you believe otherwise, you are not actually training, but pointlessly wasting money and not learning from your repeated mistakes.

GÇ£Person A practices the entire time they are online. Let's say 3 hours a nightGÇ¥ GÇö those are your exact words. Person A spent time on the advantage s/he has. That's all the advantage is: experience acquired by spending the required time.

No amount of PLEX spent will give you more time or more experience.

Oh and it was you who used "because you can do it without paying, it just takes longer" within your argument.

You are totally missing the point which is there is a large portion of the player base that doesn't want to deal with name callers like yourself.

I said

"Sure you can earn enough isk to plex your accounts however I see that as earning your "win" (term used loosely)"

For which you replied

"That means there is no P2W by the way"

Since I was saying that it's possible take more time to get the same results

So you say no advantage has been purchased.

Two new players
Player 1 just has 1 account and doesn't buy PLEX.
Player 2 buys an additional account, on that second account he buys a 25 Million sp character from the bazaar. He also buys 6 PLEX.

So Tippia, you're saying Player 2 has no advantage over player one?

No, you crossing it out is simply you dismissing it. It still remains

What I was talking about (that you simply ignored since you couldn't refute it) was selling the plex on the market to get isk now vs spending hours playing the game to get the same amount of isk.

"Person A spent time on the advantage s/he has" LOL that was a good laugh. Certainly you can't be referring the the "advantage" I've been talking about all along? What advantage are you talking about?

So you must agree then that person A has a time advantage only made possible by selling a plex on the eve market.

Wrong and you even stated it above.

None that come simply from paying for it, no.

All 3 are being purchased via additional funds to the first subscription.

I don't care how many skillpoints you have in game, it's knowledge that makes a winner and a loser in EVE Online.

Someone buying a character in their first week won't help them at all if they don't know what to do with it.