Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Are you really trying to argue it's not like this already?

I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.

Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.

That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

Tell that to all the guys who suicide gank someone, and end up making a heavy loss because everything they wanted to loot gets destroyed in the ship destruction.

They donGÇÖt need more help they need more options.

A hauler should not need 1-3 more people or alts to solo haul.

guns are pretty useless in high sec.

Make kill rights so they only get used up once that killright has been used to kill the pirate with the equivalent value of the ship they killed to earn it (so if you kill a billion isk of ship, it can be repeatedly used until it's cost you a billion isk), and guns will be back in play.

EVE is moving to a place where there are no more consequences.

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It's not as if the forum lacks for people to defend the harsh dark crapfest that is Eve.

Obviously your real mission in your job is to score points on newbies who don't quite understand the game mechanics or don't agree with them. Good luck with that.

There will always be players in Eve who hate ganking and scamming and the combination of the two and neither you nor anyone else will ever change that.

It's a pretty sad game when the developers take to the forums to tell part of the player base that they're stupid ("it's not rocket science") and to make ridiculous comparisons to real life police, who, by the way, do have crime prevention programs and actual punishment for criminals.

Oh yes, you're never 100% safe unless you're a scammer sitting in dock all day. Funny how that one always slips past the radar.

Scammers have exactly the risks and rewards other players give them, and nothing more.
Funny how people refuse to take responsibility for what they willingly hand out, and then come back to complain someone has they have exactly what they've given him.

Are you really trying to argue it's not like this already? There are many more options for hauling than there are for barges.

I am saying there are some but not enough options to fit tank. It is so easy and cost to little to gank freighters atm that people are doing it on empty freighters for the lulz.

Ganking should always be possible but it should come at a greater price and with greater consequences

not with the trivial shat we have now where alts are trained and disposed of like a revolving door.

guns are pretty useless in high sec. Since you can't start firing until they do without getting concorded, you can still see your hauler volleyed off the field before you can reduce their ganking squad enough to save it. And with sec tags, gankers don't really need to put time or effort in to keep themselves high enough to avoid being valid targets for a preemptive hit, they simply spend some of their victims isk on tags and instantly become "good" again.

Make kill rights so they only get used up once that killright has been used to kill the pirate with the equivalent value of the ship they killed to earn it (so if you kill a billion isk of ship, it can be repeatedly used until it's cost you a billion isk), and guns will be back in play.

It's not though, is it? It's not at all dark and gritty, it's just that people can run up to noobs and smash their heads in in a single hit. It's no more dark and gritty than a PvP WoW server.

EVE is moving to a place where there are no more consequences. Take the sec tags for example. Now you can run around ganking like crazy, wait 30 days for your kill rights to drop off, pay a bunch of isk to jump your sec status back up instantly and shazzam you are no longer a pirate.

And part of it is that too much focus has gone into making people vulnerable. Take corps for example. Awoxing being so easy to pull off and the lack of benefits of being in a player run corp means there's no real reason to move out of an NPC corp in high sec. It would be better to give people more opportunities to choose to put themselves at risk because it's worth doing. Making it too tough then just saying "tough luck" whenever someone tries and fails isn't really good encouragement to try again.

I would love EVE to be a dark and gritty hardcore game, but that's really not what it is.

Ganking is so easy these days thanks to the buffs

What buffs?
If it's so easy, why is it so rare?

Hello cata thrasher buffs? The introduction of BS guns on BC platforms?

Ganks are a daily event in highsec.

EVE is moving to a place where there are no more consequences.

I would love EVE to be a dark and gritty hardcore game, but that's really not what it is.

You mean the things that not even managed to maintain the status quo in the face of the massive nerfs? The ones that led to ganks becoming more and more rare over time? No, that was not a buff GÇö those were nerfs that would have been downright insulting unless the gankers were given something in the way of compensation.

So in other words: laughably rare.

What massive nerfs?

Ganking is more common then ever.

Uedama (sp) aufay etc are sites of daily ganking.

Numerous CONCORD buffs. Numerous target buffs. Numerous price increases. Numerous increases in penalties. Huge increases in the manpower and time required. Vastly improved means of striking back. Vastly improved means of defence.

No. Just no. Even suggesting such a thing is pure ignorance.

If you're going to make that kind of claim, you need to back it up with some kind of actual evidence. You need to show that several dozens of haulers get ganked (not just killed GÇö ganked) in each and every of the bottleneck systems. You need to show dozens of mission runners getting blown up in each mission hub. You need to show clouds of CONCORD constantly surrounding every gate in and out of Jita (to say nothing of 4-4 itself). You need to demonstrate dozens of well-known ganking corps doing their business in said spots, rather than just a handful.

Hint: you will not be able to do any of this, because ganks have never been as rare as they are at the moment. You are either ignorant or lying. Take your pick.

So in other words, they're not just laughably rare but also laughably easy to avoid.

How is something that occurs daily in a variety of systems suddenly considered "laughably rare"??

So you're allowed to claim whatever but when I point out reality you want citations going back to the creation of the game.

You first.

Just look at the KBs for those systems and you will see what you ask for.

There's more ganking corps now then ever before.

WTB block posts from entire corp function for the forums.

Prove it.

Price increases are deceptive as inflation is not being taken into account.
It's far cheaper to use a couple catalysts then to use the BS of old.

What vastly improved defense?

With the addition of freighters I can just contract a gank fleet to any system I plan to hit. I just have to log in fly to the spot and start ganking. No real effort required.

Since Jan 17, 2007, ZKILL only records 700 or so Freighter losses in Uedama. That's only 100 or so per year. No way to tell how many of those are suicide ganks vs kill rights, war decs, etcetc.

No. Just no. They work just as well there as they do everywhere else. Gankers, as a rule, can be shot without being concorded as it is, and they have to resort to such fragile ships to get any kind of damage output that, unlike the haulers, they are very easy to volley off the field. There's a reason why high-DPS destroyers are the ganker tool of the trade rather than any kind of volley monster.

That's not what kill rights are for. You are confusing two completely unconnected mechanics: one is the right to not have CONCORD mess with you and another is the ability to enforce a cost on other players.

No, it really isn't. Between kill rights, new crimewatch, harsher sec penalties, massively increased costs, and more mechanics to bring the fight to the gankers if they bother you, the consequences have never been higher. Sec tags makes a very minute difference to one of those things and were frankly needed to balance out the massive increases in penalties introduced over the years.

So the only people who shouldn't have consequences for their choices are HiSec bears? Got it.

It is. Maybe you've just gotten used to it.