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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4326
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:52:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:You KNOW that's a lie, right? You would need one hell of a profit margin to pay other players for boring themselves to death as they become useless extra guns on top of CONCORD's once in a blue moon. There are other measures as well. Don't be a profitable kill is the easiest among the options. dont be the easiest among the options =][= |
Slicr
25
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:01:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
Think you might need a vacation since you do not realize this is just a game. To compare anything in the real world to justify something in a game is pretty lame.
Excuse me will I go put 3,900 m3 worth of cargo in my secure giant cargo container that has a volume of 3,000 m3. I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:02:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
Yes indeed, guns are very effective against gankers. |
Slicr
25
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Aqriue wrote:Wild @ss idea CCP should of stuck with, to stop the whining so the forum hamster's don't have to be running 24/7 with only a short break. You got one thing right at least: it's an ass idea. Let's break vast portions of the game because some players are too incompetent to play it.
The game has been dumbed down considerably, so why not more?
I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
380
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:38:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:You can get around this with - an insta-undock off-grid (especially in the major trading hub systems) - using a cloaky Blockade Runner
If you (and some others) had bothered to actually read the thread before posting your valued opinion, you would have noticed that the lady did in fact fly a blockade runner and was in the process of docking when the incident happened. Please explain how insta-undocking would have helped in that situation. Thank you
Warp to zero and "dock" commands sometimes doesn't land you zero on station. Sometimes you have to slowburn it as seen here.
TL;DR her BR didn't land on zero. |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
538
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:44:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. The problem is, with the way ganking works, bringing guns doesn't make your hauling any safer. |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
48
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:45:00 -
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I think of gankers as slime, however in this case they where bonafide pirates. The events involving the OP unfolded in true Pirate fashion. they set bait and organized a trap. The pirates should be commended on their planning and execution.
In my view true pirates fit well in EVE and their actions are viable and sensible aggressive actions against non-combatants funding their activities by doing so (ie recover some or all of the cargo PLUS the collateral payment). In contrast most 'pro' gankers have to subsidize the ganking to get ahead. Seriously, multiple ships losses to CONCORD to take out mining barges there is no way in hell a group could turn a profit doing that.
So Pirates = Clever opportunists plying their trade in space Gankers = Losers who think they are elite, feeding off the whining of their 'prey' but in fact have to subsidize their antics to even be able to continue their harassment. Rise up against the flawed S&I changes! CCP no more $$$ from me until then.-á Three accounts funded by buying PLEX with $$$ now idle and this one waiting out the quarterly renewal. |
Zuteh
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
If CONCORD was to be a deterrent then the ganking character would be thrown in Eve-jail for a few months. Currently it is a puny consequence which the gankers completely mitigate with throw-away fits. IMO this is the reason Eve stagnated and is declining, it drives off fresh blood who can't be arsed with a cesspool of wannabe pirates getting their kicks out of E-tears. |
Paranoid Loyd
1610
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:48:00 -
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Slicr wrote: To compare anything in the real world to justify something in a game is pretty lame.
In a previous thread Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Attributing real values unto digital acts within a video game is a nono, not pointing out apt similarities between the two.
It's a subtle difference, but it is different. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Paranoid Loyd
1611
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:58:00 -
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Zuteh wrote: Currently it is a puny consequence which the gankers completely mitigate with throw-away fits.
It is of no consequence to make yourself aware of the danger and to take precautions accordingly. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2866
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:59:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Except that bringing guns or an escort does not work. Here is what happens: Your ship exits warp and explodes in less than a second. When in that sequence was I supposed to identify the attacker, lock the attacker and destroy the attacker first, especially as shooting first gets me CONCORDed? When in that sequence was an escort supposed to help? Well, he could have told me to not warp in the first place. But I can do that by not logging in at all. CCP Falcon, is that the outcome you want to see? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
715
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:02:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2774
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:06:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Except that bringing guns or an escort does not work. Here is what happens: Your ship exits warp and explodes in less than a second. When in that sequence was I supposed to identify the attacker, lock the attacker and destroy the attacker first, especially as shooting first gets me CONCORDed? When in that sequence was an escort supposed to help? Well, he could have told me to not warp in the first place. But I can do that by not logging in at all. CCP Falcon, is that the outcome you want to see?
That's a more detailed version of why Falcon's point about the guns it's a lie. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
713
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:07:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
This might be true but he didn't really lose a Prorat to gank here. He lost it to AWOX using the contract system.
My advice to the OP, use faucets like everyone else and ignore all things player driven. It's mostly bait.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:10:00 -
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Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.
... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards... |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:21:00 -
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Nice bait post CCP Falcon. You have shifted this thread from; "OP here are ways you can do it better" to "wah, wah, wah." |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
915
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:25:00 -
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Meanwhile I just leveled badger as my most prolific pvp ship after thrasher
\0/ ha suck on that gankers, you will of course in a few days, again
Maybe I should try procurer next just because
Also echoing, Falcon do tell how guns protect alpha ganks much less swarm ganks Seeing as I have been around groups using double ecm bursting scorpions and they just threw even more ISK away |
Natural CloneKiller
Ukranian Hauling Co.
31
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:28:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3473
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:47:00 -
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You know what would have been really effective here?
One jump out from the destination, reship to an empty Iteron. Go and set off the trap, and have your alt loot the Tornado. Easily pays for your Iteron.
Then, go and bring the real ship in.
Safety is something you can achieve in highsec, if you work for it. It is not given to you for free. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
713
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:52:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:You know what would have been really effective here?
One jump out from the destination, reship to an empty Iteron. Go and set off the trap, and have your alt loot the Tornado. Easily pays for your Iteron.
Then, go and bring the real ship in.
Safety is something you can achieve in highsec, if you work for it. It is not given to you for free.
Or he could use an Impel. They overheat tank to 220K
Though I still work on the logic, if they don't want to do it, I don't want to do it. A Prorat cargo hold is around 12K. Any contract M3 that small, screams bait to me. |
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Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
152
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:02:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Velicitia wrote:All those low-slots you have ARE NOT for expanded cargohold II ... Milan Nantucket wrote:When you dont have defensive stuff in your fit what do you expect. Drop two of the carohold expanders and put n a dc2 and a bulkhead2
Then again you already knew that and chose not to bother. You seriously propose a *tank* on a *Prorator*? You've never flown a Blockade Runner, did you? Your tank is your cloak. Never getting locked is the only thing that will save you. Putting bulkheads in there that will make you get caught more easily is the exact opposite of saving your ass. Actually I have two blockade runners.... both have bulkheads and dc2. Your cloak doesnt protect you from a smartbombing battle ship on a gate.... you also cant cloak with 2500 meters of the station.
If your read the op you would see why you need them. |
Vyl Vit
698
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:But you already know she didn't deserve it and her attackers must be "sociopaths" and sufferers of "mental disorders" Go you, I'm sure you are a credit to your creed. I have noticed you on more than one occasion pronounce what people deserve, and do not deserve. Creed? (vitriol removed for the sake of civility) Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
5
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:04:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.
... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards...
Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : / dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
74
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:08:00 -
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What a great post OP.
You are a true entertainer. Damn, gave me some good laughs. Thanks for that! |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
969
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:11:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. I'd love to see CCP provide protection to people's haulers by logging in in logi ships! That would probably be enough to get me back into ganking.
Luukje wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.
... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards... Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : / dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p Good job on these tears man! As for the New Order, not all of us are in CODE. though that is the largest new order alliance. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
5
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:22:00 -
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my personal ingame mailbox is like a museum of collected tears. this is the first guy to post on here; but i've got soooooo many hate/threaten mails |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
366
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:40:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.
More like, explain the reality adjustment just given to the poor victim.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1245
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:48:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense. "I didn't know walking through the Serengeti in a meat-suit would get me mauled by lions. Obviously we need to get rid of all lions" if it's something the victim could prevent then blaming them is acceptable. Risks are known, and so are securities. |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:26:00 -
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Luukje wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.
... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards... Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : / dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p
I give props where I think they are deserved, and in this case that means to you.
You set up a naive 'bear hauler who accepted a contract on the character she was going to actually haul in, you somehow...wow...convinced her to cough up a 7 bil collateral payment by using a too good to be true contract offer, used a perfect location, and then polished it all off with a lock 'n pop between WTZ-decloak and dock.
Well played.
The only carebears who are going to have any long term enjoyment in this game are those of us who realize we're seals in an ocean full of great whites and killer whales. I'm usually faster or smarter, but sometimes I'm just dead. I don't mind the odds, I like to swim. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1548
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:28:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.
There's no victim described in the OP, just an Eve player whose knowledge of game mechanics wasn't up to the task, or who is challenged in the grey matter department, or who was too lazy to do it right. A combination of all three is possible. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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