Without going into the details, its hard to know what the "it" or "this" you want to stop is.

Do you mean being shot at?

Oh lol. BTW you got shot at by a tornado which sports battleship grade weapons on a battlecruiser hull. Still your loses are small time so stop crying. Also bounties are useless really. I keep putting bounties on myself just to be a 133337 pilot.

All those low-slots you have ARE NOT for expanded cargohold II ...

When you dont have defensive stuff in your fit what do you expect. Drop two of the carohold expanders and put n a dc2 and a bulkhead2

Then again you already knew that and chose not to bother.

You seriously propose a *tank* on a *Prorator*? You've never flown a Blockade Runner, did you? Your tank is your cloak. Never getting locked is the only thing that will save you. Putting bulkheads in there that will make you get caught more easily is the exact opposite of saving your ass.

It's unusual for the trap to be at the delivering station, as you could chance to warp into docking range or have made a docking bookmark (which I suggest you do in the future). How close to station were you when you left warp?

You see you can make insta undocks, you can warp whilst cloaked, you can make afe spots until they come out of your ass but you can not do anything to make the docking process quicker.

Give the gankers some credit.

First they found somebody stupid enough to fall for their courier contract. Then they waited just before you docked as that is when you are most vulnerable .

You see you can make insta undocks, you can warp whilst cloaked, you can make afe spots until they come out of your ass but you can not do anything to make the docking process quicker.

Once you land on station, you will de-cloak and your barely moving.. basically a sitting duck. The gankers basically have a few seconds to make you go boom and that is all they need.

Not going to say anything else as True Sight has covered it

Well played to them

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

No no no. Don't stop moaning yet. I'm not quite there...

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

Learn how to play the game FFS

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high.......I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this......

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this.

http://tinyurl.com/ozzgzpj

High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection

the feckless.

How about this; create some insta-undocks - problem solved.

You can get around this with
- an insta-undock off-grid (especially in the major trading hub systems)
- using a cloaky Blockade Runner

If you (and some others) had bothered to actually read the thread before posting your valued opinion, you would have noticed that the lady did in fact fly a blockade runner and was in the process of docking when the incident happened. Please explain how insta-undocking would have helped in that situation.

Thank you

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract.

You'll get no more reason as a response to your post than you got with the contractual system.

By now I guess you found the "too good to be true" contract, which permeates the game.

(I'm not sure what the circumstance was for the OP's ambush as that wasn't made abundantly clear.)

The interesting part is reading the "logical" rationalizations and justifications the sufferers of this mental disorder, and their co-dependents try to use. While they do this they try to seem SO very intelligent. Reminds me of watching a monkey play with a wad of bubble gum I threw him at the Birmingham Zoo. He was occupied with that for two hours - grape.

Woah Jonah.. new avatar

However, what is being said about high sec is quite an honest reaction. So vilification of the OP for it can only be done by those who like to do this sort of thing - our beloved gankers (read: low attention span, low intelligence, no insight, no way to make long-term plans or arrangements.)

Now you've done it. You've pinched the ganker's central nerve. They operate on a single nerve system with a four synapse neural pathway, then insist their knowledge is the only knowledge that exists. You'll get no more reason as a response to your post than you got with the contractual system.

By now I guess you found the "too good to be true" contract, which permeates the game. There's so many of them it's hard to find a legitimate delivery contract, and anyone wishing to create one of those has to deal with the fact they're pissing into an ocean of scams, and have a very long wait ahead of them.

Contracts with one jump into low sec (0.4 or below) are designed to lure the hauler into a trap, kill the freighter, and invalidate the contract so the hauler loses the deposit money. If you haul don't accept contracts with one stop in low sec. That gate is where the trap will be. (I'm not sure what the circumstance was for the OP's ambush as that wasn't made abundantly clear.)

However, what is being said about high sec is quite an honest reaction. So vilification of the OP for it can only be done by those who like to do this sort of thing - our beloved gankers (read: low attention span, low intelligence, no insight, no way to make long-term plans or arrangements.)

We have clamored for CCP to make such acts of vandalism in high sec costly to the offender, to no avail. It's as though they think the majority of players do this sort of thing, which is insulting to the player base, but there's no way anyone can stop CCP staff from forming idiotic and ill-conceived opinions.

The best you can do is contort yourself to accommodate this endorsed sociopathy which makes a joke of "sovereignty" as a concept. One wonders why CCP wastes bandwidth putting that word on everything, when it means nothing here. It reminds me of LOTRO putting "cow" over every cow. Like...uh...no one can tell that's a cow. Then getting lag due to all the data....you see what I mean.

The interesting part is reading the "logical" rationalizations and justifications the sufferers of this mental disorder, and their co-dependents try to use. While they do this they try to seem SO very intelligent. Reminds me of watching a monkey play with a wad of bubble gum I threw him at the Birmingham Zoo. He was occupied with that for two hours - grape.

Pure Gold...

However, what is being said about high sec is quite an honest reaction. So vilification of the OP for it can only be done by those who like to do this sort of thing - our beloved gankers (read: low attention span, low intelligence, no insight, no way to make long-term plans or arrangements.)

You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.

Nope, like Jenn I'm not a ganker, I mission, I mine, I trade etcetera, in short I'm what many would call a bear.

I am however a realist, one that appreciates that I am playing a PvP game, and takes steps to mitigate the chances of becoming a victim; that is the difference between a carebear and a bear.

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

It's like being a Gazelle that finds a pride of Lions and starts twerking in front of them while singing 'can't touch this' (or maybe, 'can't eat this') then runs away.

a right good rogering.

...British Empire...

If you (and some others) had bothered to actually read the thread before posting your valued opinion, you would have noticed that the lady did in fact fly a blockade runner and was in the process of docking when the incident happened. Please explain how insta-undocking would have helped in that situation.

Thank you

For those that don't know, this is what is meant by a contradiction in terms.

I am however a realist, one that appreciates that I am playing a PvP game, and takes steps to mitigate the chances of becoming a victim; that is the difference between a carebear and a bear.

Never (or at least not often enough) have more accurate words been uttered in GD.

If more of highsec thought like you sir, we wouldnt see as many terrible posts as the op.

Ps. Love the new avatar Jonah.

I saw you, just wasn't prepared

Can you lock that fast? That ship was in warp before it even uncloaked!

Can you lock that fast? That ship was in warp before it even uncloaked!

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

When you hit the "dock" button, the game is supposed to warp you into docking range of the station and dock you, without any chance for you to be caught.

But there is a bug: Sometimes the game warps you too far away from the station to dock immediately, and you are vulnerable for several seconds.

...organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here.

CCP already has taken care of this issue in the form of tanking modules and cloaking devices. Seriously, how do you get blown up in high-sec when your ship has a covops cloak?

No, it's not. It's simply supposed to warp you to the station, and then dock. Warping works as normal, docking works as normal, being caught in-between the two works as normal. If your warp lands you within <2,500 of the docking radius, that is working as normal too because that's how WTZ always works.

That is not a bug GÇö it's standard warp behaviour.

Except CCP has reimbursed ships lost this way. I'll not say who or where, as I cannot discuss petitions. But it has happened, and my research indicates it has happened within the last month.

Seven billion collateral. And it wasn't even paid good. The fail started at the accept button. From Jita no less. This smells more like money laundering. Like those noob-ships full of PLEXes.

Ive had it happen. You uncloak when you are dumped 800 meters off the station. Before your ship moves that last 300 meters and starts docking, you get exploded.

Hence: The need for quick dock bookmarks.

Wild @ss idea CCP should of stuck with, to stop the whining so the forum hamster's don't have to be running 24/7 with only a short break.

Wild @ss idea CCP should of stuck with, to stop the whining so the forum hamster's don't have to be running 24/7 with only a short break.

1. No market skills, its seeded straight from NPC source. NPC isk sink? You all whine about SOANDSO and XYZ factor type makes to much isk......well, if you stop trading it around now its just a grind to be able to afford to fly anything. CCP can at anytime just raise/lower the cost as needed.

2. Industry skills...seriously why would anybody waste their damn time with that boring grind. Minesweeper and Solitaire are more complex then the sit in asteroid belt, target rock, hit F1, wait till hold full, blow up to random bored dude hiding in high sec cause he can't take being blown up in low/null (this isn't the miner, this is the ganker...cause he is protected by CONCORD). And the POS set up....second job, games are for fun not a second grind.

3. Trade skills....remove them. Contracts. Remove them. Everything is NPC seeded, NPC isk sink, CCP discretion when something is to cheap and/or expensive.

4. ???

5. Problem solved. Less interaction through scams, less whining from dudes who should already know how EVE is meant to play (paranoid, don't lose what you cannot afford), more PEW PEW without the stupid obvious traps set up that induce the whines.

Like I said, wild @ss idea. Just lock target and explode people, don't need to lead them on to catch them.

Rookie here, just trying to understand the mistake for my own purposes. Let's exclude the "shoulda used an alt/not accept the obvious scam" dialogue.

OK, guy is with his cloaked hauler, and in the system where he wants to dock and selects the dock option.

From what I understand, you lose cloak when you initiate dock and/or are within 2 KM of any object. Some say a bookmark should be set beside the station and that you should warp there and dock. In either case, you're in range of the ganker, so I guess we're somehow talking about which approach saves you a tiny bit of time docking which may save yor buns.

If someone just took the dock approach, I am guessing that you might not immediately be in docking range and/or the gankers might be camped in that jump location to force a decloak as soon as you exit warp and start blasting before a dock procedure can be engaged/completed.

Am I understanding this correctly? Sorry...rookie here. Just might be cheaper for me to learn from OTHER people's mistakes than my own. :)

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

I know this is not this case... but come on... freighter ganking is too much easy this days, it is just stupid to see empty freighters get ganked in high sec just for the lolz.. CCP should really address that. Its ok if a dumb dude dies in a 3B+ freighter in high sec... but empy freighter is a little too much for me.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

When can we start bribing the 'slightly dodgy' ones to you know, look the other way in certain events

You KNOW that's a lie, right? You would need one hell of a profit margin to pay other players for boring themselves to death as they become useless extra guns on top of CONCORD's once in a blue moon.

There are other measures as well. Don't be a profitable kill is the easiest among the options.

You KNOW that's a lie, right? You would need one hell of a profit margin to pay other players for boring themselves to death as they become useless extra guns on top of CONCORD's once in a blue moon.

There are other measures as well. Don't be a profitable kill is the easiest among the options.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

You got one thing right at least: it's an ass idea. Let's break vast portions of the game because some players are too incompetent to play it.

If you (and some others) had bothered to actually read the thread before posting your valued opinion, you would have noticed that the lady did in fact fly a blockade runner and was in the process of docking when the incident happened. Please explain how insta-undocking would have helped in that situation.

Thank you

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

To compare anything in the real world to justify something in a game is pretty lame.

Attributing real values unto digital acts within a video game is a nono, not pointing out apt similarities between the two.

Currently it is a puny consequence which the gankers completely mitigate with throw-away fits.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Except that bringing guns or an escort does not work. Here is what happens: Your ship exits warp and explodes in less than a second.
When in that sequence was I supposed to identify the attacker, lock the attacker and destroy the attacker first, especially as shooting first gets me CONCORDed?
When in that sequence was an escort supposed to help? Well, he could have told me to not warp in the first place. But I can do that by not logging in at all. CCP Falcon, is that the outcome you want to see?

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

You know what would have been really effective here?

One jump out from the destination, reship to an empty Iteron. Go and set off the trap, and have your alt loot the Tornado. Easily pays for your Iteron.

Then, go and bring the real ship in.

Safety is something you can achieve in highsec, if you work for it. It is not given to you for free.

You seriously propose a *tank* on a *Prorator*? You've never flown a Blockade Runner, did you? Your tank is your cloak. Never getting locked is the only thing that will save you. Putting bulkheads in there that will make you get caught more easily is the exact opposite of saving your ass.

But you already know she didn't deserve it and her attackers must be "sociopaths" and sufferers of "mental disorders" Go you, I'm sure you are a credit to your creed.

Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.


... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards...

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : /
dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p

Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.

Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.

Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : /
dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p

Ah yes, the old blame the victim defense.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

I know this is not this case... but come on... freighter ganking is too much easy this days

Except that bringing guns or an escort does not work. Here is what happens: Your ship exits warp and explodes in less than a second.

When in that sequence was I supposed to identify the attacker, lock the attacker and destroy the attacker first, especially as shooting first gets me CONCORDed?

If CONCORD was such a "deterrent" , ganking wouldn't exist. It's called "suicide ganking" for a reason.

What happens when the ganker doesn't care about isk lost vs isk destroyed?

When players start ganking for the sake of ganking just to grief others and don't care about how much isk they lose to do so, then that line is crossed. They are no longer playing the game, they are simply hurting the game.

The problem is, with the way ganking works, bringing guns doesn't make your hauling any safer.

Except that bringing guns or an escort does not work. Here is what happens: Your ship exits warp and explodes in less than a second.
When in that sequence was I supposed to identify the attacker, lock the attacker and destroy the attacker first, especially as shooting first gets me CONCORDed?
When in that sequence was an escort supposed to help? Well, he could have told me to not warp in the first place. But I can do that by not logging in at all. CCP Falcon, is that the outcome you want to see?

Maybe it would be better if you adjust how warping to stations works, so my ship actually warps to docking range. Customer services will thank you.

If CONCORD was such a "deterrent"

Have you ever been spawn-killed on a badly managed PvP server? Imagine every starter system being like that. CONCORD is a damn good deterrent.

WRT ganking.

I just want to say a big thank you to those people who did give some positives out of this. As for the macho ego's out there I thank you for wasting your time in this post as it didn't really contribute to anything apart from many http addresses.

It was hard to take a punch below the belt in eve but hey i take it and will only get better to not get another one soon. I love the game thats for sure. I got blown up instantly coming out of cloak whilst at the station in docking range. It sounds like I"m guilty for this action by the sound of some people in this post, amazing.


Anyways thank you and enjoy.

Not only that but the added expense is factored in when goods are produced. So two things happen;

1. If the indy players are just in it for the isk and the loss of their ships becomes too much of an expense, they'll do something else like run missions. Less producers means inflated prices. This is compounded if the other thing these players do causes them to lose ships as this will now increase the demand also.

2. Those that do stick it out will factor the expense into their selling price and the price of all goods will increase. Again, inflation.

So while the act of ganking in itself is not bad and can be good for the economy, the gankers' favorite choice of target is bad for the games economy in both the short and long term.

GǪexcept for the simple fact that the production capacity vastly outpaces the destruction capacity and that gankers simply aren't capable of affecting the entire market in such a way that inflation would occur.

And that's without considering Loyd's point above: that a lot of ganking effectively just amounts to getting rid of the competition for a given product. It will not lead to a reduction in production or an increase in prices GÇö just a shift of market share. And even without that detail, there's just too many industrialists who have no problems with ganking for it to have the effects you describe. Industrialists, as a group, are not actually being targeted GÇö stupid haulers are. They're rather different groups.

GǪexcept for the simple fact that the production capacity vastly outpaces the destruction capacity and that gankers simply aren't capable of affecting the entire market in such a way that inflation would occur.

And that's without considering Loyd's point above: that a lot of ganking effectively just amounts to getting rid of the competition for a given product. It will not lead to a reduction in production or an increase in prices GÇö just a shift of market share. And even without that detail, there's just too many industrialists who have no problems with ganking for it to have the effects you describe. Industrialists, as a group, are not actually being targeted GÇö stupid haulers are. They're rather different groups.

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Confirming that, as a starship and module producer, I'm happy to write off the costs of ganks I carry out as a necessary marketing expense.

Plus, they are fun.

Too bad that gankers have enough numbers and gank often enough to effect the market to do just that.

Skiffs have gone up and are at the highest price they've ever been.

Competitive market = good.
Monopoly = bad.

Too bad that gankers have enough numbers and gank often enough to effect the market to do just that.

Skiffs have gone up and are at the highest price they've ever been. This is directly due to gankers ganking miners.

Getting rid of competition for a product is also bad for an economy. I could go into detail but I'll just state it as simple as possible.

Competitive market = good.
Monopoly = bad.

Skiffs have gone up and are at the highest price they've ever been. This is directly due to gankers ganking miners.

Competitive market = good.
Monopoly = bad.

Too bad that gankers have enough numbers and gank often enough to effect the market to do just that.

Skiffs have gone up and are at the highest price they've ever been. This is directly due to gankers ganking miners.

Getting rid of competition for a product is also bad for an economy. I could go into detail but I'll just state it as simple as possible.

Competitive market = good.
Monopoly = bad.

Uh-huh. And the numerous changes to the Skiff itself, to the underlying Procurer, and to industry as a whole definitely has nothing to do with that. Yup yup yup.

OP should transport in a full-on tanked BS. There are probably a few with enough cargo space. If not, I'm sure any shield tanked ship with cargo extenders will do fine. So long as your in high sec, they wont attack you since your tank should survive long for concord to arrive assuming its a small hostile fleet (it usually is). Its also quite easy to avoid them. Jump from station to station, figure out who's following you, how many there are. Bait them into attacking you and if you can, dock to be out of harms way. Let concord free the road :P

Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

I think he might be saying they are higher price since the Skiff is the only viable Exhumer. Higher demand = higher price?

Looks like price jumped 50M ISK (33%) since April.


Angeal, if you see a product earning 50M more a pop in the market, why don't you manufacture and sell them?


Edit: Forums replace ampersands with silly garbage, so I replace the eve-marketdata.com link with a goo.gl link.

You're probably right, I was distracted by a target in-game.

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway.

Highsec is broken.

Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference.

Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.

Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around.

It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns.

Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is?
And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives.

Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway.

Highsec is broken.

It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns.

[quote=Sentient Blade]You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion.

Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3

Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3

Skiffs have gone up and are at the highest price they've ever been. This is directly due to gankers ganking miners.

Getting rid of competition for a product is also bad for an economy. I could go into detail but I'll just state it as simple as possible.

Competitive market = good.
Monopoly = bad.

Plus, they are fun.

Hauling a total of 7 billion in collateral, with that low market value of the four contracts' contents didn't ring a bell?

Think I'll just keep CCP Falcon's post for future quotation, so thanks for this thread, somehow

[quote=Sentient Blade]

Edit: Did you know Catalysts are made of paper?

I'd love to see CCP provide protection to people's haulers by logging in in logi ships! That would probably be enough to get me back into ganking.


Good job on these tears man! As for the New Order, not all of us are in CODE. though that is the largest new order alliance.

Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.

Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.

Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.

I just want to say a big thank you to those people who did give some positives out of this. As for the macho ego's out there I thank you for wasting your time in this post as it didn't really contribute to anything apart from many http addresses.

It was hard to take a punch below the belt in eve but hey i take it and will only get better to not get another one soon. I love the game thats for sure. I got blown up instantly coming out of cloak whilst at the station in docking range. It sounds like I"m guilty for this action by the sound of some people in this post, amazing.


Anyways thank you and enjoy.

Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.

Well, actually, given enough people ganking freighters isn't hard at all.

But feel free to tell me that I have no clue about this ....... *snickers xD*

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers

I think this is all part of a MUCH deeper issue.

Production outpaces destruction by such a wide margin that people can easily undertake such activities. Pretty sure it was Chris Rock that did one on how if bullets were crazy expensive far fewer people would shoot eachother.......the same is the case here.


"I would blow yo ****ing head off if I could afford it!"
"Imma get me another job, Imma start saving some money and you a dead man!"

high sec is really a joke.

not saying its hard, hell even JF hunting is 'easy', but it takes more than a few noobs to pull off this stuff. That's why i said its not all that easy; to the point where noobs pull it off on their own.