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Sidrat Flush
Deadly Harmony
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:14:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:[quote=Angeal MacNova]
It's not hard. So what is it Jonah? Is EvE a hard game or is it not hard? You just had to write a novel on how easy things are. Does that seem a tad ironic? If Monopoly came with an encyclopedia of rules not many people would play it.
Basic rules of Eve could be:
1) Have fun. 2) Spend time with people whose company you enjoy 3) Try everything at least once 4) Remember skill points aren't everything, but a focused plan is better than a jack of all trades in the short term. 5) Have fun.
If you're not doing 1,2 and 5 to the best of your ability 3 and 4 won't make any difference to your enjoyment of Eve. It's not CCP's fault they provide the tools, it's up to you as a subscriber to implement those tools to create your own content and provide fun.
Eve isn't difficult per se, it's just the questions are difficult to understand. Once you have your questions, there's a whole range of resources available that can provide, if not a direct answer, then certainly a path to follow to understanding.
Use the test server, to trial different stuff too. Vastly under rated tool.
Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:14:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Duchess Amarrian wrote:high sec is really a joke. This, essentially. Being unprepared and putting all your eggs in one basket to make a nice juicy target for a suicide gank is the joke here, not highsec. There are a multitude of ways to protect yourself from suicide gankers, people just automatically assume they're "safe" in highsec, then get annoyed when they lose a ship because of their own lack of spatial awareness.
Gankers have already accepted the fact that they are going to lose a cheap ship. There is no deterrent for them at all. Risk is a myth that CCP keeps preaching hoping some will drink the cool-aid.
Only thing left is reward and acceptable losses. Acceptable losses are easily replaced, just buy more plex.
Telling new players there is something they can do is just lying to their face and hoping that they believe long enough to buy another plex.
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CCP Falcon
8553
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:14:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.
Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.
Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.
The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor.
Tell that to all the guys who suicide gank someone, and end up making a heavy loss because everything they wanted to loot gets destroyed in the ship destruction.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1332
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:18:00 -
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Risk vs Reward doesn't really apply to gankers ol boy. It's cost vs reward, a straight equation weighted massively towards reward. Risk implies a probability of something happening, which is increased if you're not paying attention. A hauler takes risks. A ganker knows he or she is going to lose their ship, exactly how much it will cost, and a fair approximation of what will drop and be recoverable.
Maybe the loot fairy isn't great one time, well the law of averages says that you're going to turn a huge profit if you do it enough times. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
6141
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:21:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Risk vs Reward doesn't really apply to gankers ol boy. It's cost vs reward, a straight equation weighted massively towards reward. Risk implies a probability of something happening,... Risk is still there. It's just that the gankers have accepted the risk.
They accept that there is a 100% likelihood that the consequence will be destruction of their ship and sec status.
If there was no risk, why not gank them first and keep all your stuff to yourself? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Colitina
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:22:00 -
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The most laughable part about it all is that you are in fact ungankable while hauling if you know what you're doing.
The new DST can sport such amazing tanks you can only be ganked through piloting error. The freighter has been ungankable in high-sec from the day web bonused ships were introduced.
We're talking literally ungankable and yet people still complain. You know, I've never seen a ganker complain that someone web-warped to safety in front of him. Also, 0 complaints so far about 800,000 EHP deadspace DST's roaming about. |
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CCP Falcon
8553
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:22:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Risk vs Reward doesn't really apply to gankers ol boy. It's cost vs reward, a straight equation weighted massively towards reward. Risk implies a probability of something happening, which is increased if you're not paying attention. A hauler takes risks. A ganker knows he or she is going to lose their ship, exactly how much it will cost, and a fair approximation of what will drop and be recoverable.
Because he's prepared himself, done the work and knows exactly what he's doing, how to achieve his objective, and knows the risk if the stuff he wants doesn't drop.
I say fair play to him if he cuts a profit from someone who's half-assed a ship fitting and AFK hauled across space with a sizeable chunk of ISK in their hold.
Honestly, doing that in EVE is like dressing up in red, diving into the ring with a bull and complaining when you spend six weeks in hospital because you got the horns.
This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9298
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:22:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote: Maybe the loot fairy isn't great one time, well the law of averages says that you're going to turn a huge profit if you do it enough times.
Except for the part where the "reward" is entirely dictated by the choices made by the person doing the hauling.
They've chosen to increase their own risk in exchange for more profit, other players can choose to take advantage of that. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
4322
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:24:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. I'm not sure this analogy holds up very well. Any career criminal who makes a habit of getting caught by the police won't have a very long career. |
Maduin Shi
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:25:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Syn Shi wrote:There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.
Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.
Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.
The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor. Tell that to all the guys who suicide gank someone, and end up making a heavy loss because everything they wanted to loot gets destroyed in the ship destruction.
I'm quite confident the suicide gankers work hard to find their targets. And highsec is better for it. |
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:25:00 -
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Damn you Falcon, I was honestly trying to help some of these guys understand D-scan. You gone and buried my post 2 pages deep in risk vs reward philosophy. |
Pepper Swift
The Vendunari End of Life
33057
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:25:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Risk vs Reward doesn't really apply to gankers ol boy. It's cost vs reward, a straight equation weighted massively towards reward. Risk implies a probability of something happening, which is increased if you're not paying attention. A hauler takes risks. A ganker knows he or she is going to lose their ship, exactly how much it will cost, and a fair approximation of what will drop and be recoverable. Because he's prepared himself, done the work and knows exactly what he's doing, how to achieve his objective, and knows the risk if the stuff he wants doesn't drop. I say fair play to him if he cuts a profit from someone who's half-assed a ship fitting and AFK hauled across space with a sizeable chunk of ISK in their hold. Honestly, doing that in EVE is like dressing up in red, diving into the ring with a bull and complaining when you spend six weeks in hospital because you got the horns. This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense.
Haha go falcon.. :D *falcooooon puuunch*
When life gives you melons you might be-ádyslexic. Racial clothing on any character? Yes please
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
899
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:34:00 -
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CCP FALCON PUNCHES FOR ALL OF THE DAMAGE
CRITICAL HIT
/thread
The FALCON ALWAYS WINS |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9300
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:35:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:CCP FALCON PUNCHES FOR ALL OF THE DAMAGE
CRITICAL HIT
/thread
The FALCON ALWAYS WINS
Pretty sure I'm going to have to donate a few hundred mil on his behalf to CODE when I get home from work tomorrow morning. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
899
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Pretty sure I'm going to have to donate a few hundred mil on his behalf to CODE when I get home from work tomorrow morning.
Just so glad to have him drop in for some common sense.
Make some friends, pay attention to things, learn to fit, you'll be just fine. Half ass it - you have no one to blame but yourself. |
Sophaya Fortelleren
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon's words bring the unadulterated pure truth. I hearby proclaim as Prophet of The New Order that Falcon be elevated to sainthood in the name of 315.
From this day forth, CCP Falcon shall be known as "Saint Falcon the Explainer".
Glory upon thee. |
Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:43:00 -
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I'm all for telling people that they need to harden up in EVE, and I'm not going to overlook the fact OP accepted the scam contract, but he does make a valid point about hisec not being the environment it was supposed to be.
CONCORD as a complex mechanic is broken, allowing aggressors to toodle about doing as they please while the targets can't really defend themselves from the gankboats that sport so much alpha damage or DPS that they instapop just about anything not fit for combat. Hisec is hisec for a reason it should exist as such, not as a place for people to exploit game mechanics for their benefit.
The simple fix would be to make all weapons unable to be activated on a player ship in hisec much like how you can't launch a bomb. The obvious exceptions would be wardecs and duels.
I know the amount of sneering after people read this is off the charts but I do think there needs to be one place in EVE that is a safe haven for those who do not want to engage in PVP activity. I'm a friggin' banana. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
899
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:45:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:I'm all for telling people that they need to harden up in EVE, and I'm not going to overlook the fact OP accepted the scam contract, but he does make a valid point about hisec not being the environment it was supposed to be.
CONCORD as a complex mechanic is broken, allowing aggressors to toodle about doing as they please while the targets can't really defend themselves from the gankboats that sport so much alpha damage or DPS that they instapop just about anything not fit for combat. Hisec is hisec for a reason it should exist as such, not as a place for people to exploit game mechanics for their benefit.
The simple fix would be to make all weapons unable to be activated on a player ship in hisec much like how you can't launch a bomb. The obvious exceptions would be wardecs and duels.
I know the amount of sneering after people read this is off the charts but I do think there needs to be one place in EVE that is a safe haven for those who do not want to engage in PVP activity.
Confirming you totally missed his point.
PVP in high-sec is part of eve, a supported game mechanic, and your idea to turn it into disneyland is silly.
HTFU. Adapt or die. Beware the falcon punch. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20513
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:46:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:I know the amount of sneering after people read this is off the charts but I do think there needs to be one place in EVE that is a safe haven for those who do not want to engage in PVP activity. CCP disagree.
New Player FAQ wrote:7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. Working as intended.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24180
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Pretty sure I'm going to have to donate a few hundred mil on his behalf to CODE when I get home from work tomorrow morning. Come to think of it, who's the proper recipient for donations? I feel the sudden urge to fund even more of their mayhem because of all of this. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:48:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:I'm all for telling people that they need to harden up in EVE, and I'm not going to overlook the fact OP accepted the scam contract, but he does make a valid point about hisec not being the environment it was supposed to be.
CONCORD as a complex mechanic is broken, allowing aggressors to toodle about doing as they please while the targets can't really defend themselves from the gankboats that sport so much alpha damage or DPS that they instapop just about anything not fit for combat. Hisec is hisec for a reason it should exist as such, not as a place for people to exploit game mechanics for their benefit.
The simple fix would be to make all weapons unable to be activated on a player ship in hisec much like how you can't launch a bomb. The obvious exceptions would be wardecs and duels.
I know the amount of sneering after people read this is off the charts but I do think there needs to be one place in EVE that is a safe haven for those who do not want to engage in PVP activity. Confirming you totally missed his point. PVP in high-sec is part of eve, a supported game mechanic, and your idea to turn it into disneyland is silly. HTFU. Adapt or die. Beware the falcon punch. It isn't Disneyland if the actual fun and exciting parts about the game lie outside of that "land". People will get bored enough to venture outside and try new things. I'm a friggin' banana. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9300
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:48:00 -
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Since I've been doing a lot of bumping lately, I am going to rename my Stabber "Falcon Punch".
You know, since it knocks you out of bounds. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9300
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Pretty sure I'm going to have to donate a few hundred mil on his behalf to CODE when I get home from work tomorrow morning. Come to think of it, who's the proper recipient for donations? I feel the sudden urge to fund even more of their mayhem because of all of this.
Well, if you wanted to give it to me, I can forward it to the correct people.
But if you choose not to get obviously scammed by me, you can forward it right to James 315, with the note of "purchase of shares" I believe. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24180
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:50:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:I'm all for telling people that they need to harden up in EVE, and I'm not going to overlook the fact OP accepted the scam contract, but he does make a valid point about hisec not being the environment it was supposed to be. No, he really doesn't, because he has fundamentally misunderstood what kind of environment highsec is supposed to offer.
Quote:CONCORD as a complex mechanic is broken, allowing aggressors to toodle about doing as they please while the targets can't really defend themselves from the gankboats that sport so much alpha damage or DPS that they instapop just about anything not fit for combat. Just one problem: none of what you said is true. CONCORD is working as intended. Aggressors are not being allowed. The targets can defend themselves, both from alpha and DPS, and gankers don't really rely on alpha anyway since it's far too costly.
Quote:Hisec is hisec for a reason and it should exist as such, not as a place for people to exploit game mechanics for their benefit. No-one is exploiting any game mechanics. Highsec is highsec for a reason. It's not the reason you think, though. Highsec is highsec because it is a place where aggression comes at a cost. If you choose to nullify those costs, then take a wild guess what will happen nextGǪ?
The GÇ£high securityGÇ¥ comes from the fact that you can gamble that people's miserliness will keep them from blowing you up GÇ¥just becauseGÇ¥ and instead need a compelling reason to pay the costs involved. That is all highsec is. The trick to living there is to always skew the odds so that gamble has a greater chance of paying off in your favour. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ashiri Hareka
Paper Cats
1
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:51:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:
Gankers have already accepted the fact that they are going to lose a cheap ship. There is no deterrent for them at all. Risk is a myth that CCP keeps preaching hoping some will drink the cool-aid.
Only thing left is reward and acceptable losses. Acceptable losses are easily replaced, just buy more plex.
Telling new players there is something they can do is just lying to their face and hoping that they believe long enough to buy another plex.
Perhaps I should be posting on my miner/hauler alt. She's not yet been ganked due to following the advice given here and in blogs such as Feyd's. (maybe she'll get ganked one day)
Losing a well tanked Procurer or Badger (up to 65k EHP) to a fleet of destroyers or a battlecruiser is an acceptable loss. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20513
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Pretty sure I'm going to have to donate a few hundred mil on his behalf to CODE when I get home from work tomorrow morning. Come to think of it, who's the proper recipient for donations? I feel the sudden urge to fund even more of their mayhem because of all of this. Send isk directly to James 315* with share purchase as the reason, he puts it all into the SRP.
*Linked because there's always an imposter or 2 about.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ahost Gceo wrote:I'm all for telling people that they need to harden up in EVE, and I'm not going to overlook the fact OP accepted the scam contract, but he does make a valid point about hisec not being the environment it was supposed to be. No, he really doesn't, because he has fundamentally misunderstood what kind of environment highsec is supposed to offer. Quote:CONCORD as a complex mechanic is broken, allowing aggressors to toodle about doing as they please while the targets can't really defend themselves from the gankboats that sport so much alpha damage or DPS that they instapop just about anything not fit for combat. Just one problem: none of what you said is true. CONCORD is working as intended. Aggressors are not being allowed. The targets can defend themselves, both from alpha and DPS, and gankers don't really rely on alpha anyway since it's far too costly. Quote:Hisec is hisec for a reason and it should exist as such, not as a place for people to exploit game mechanics for their benefit. No-one is exploiting any game mechanics. Highsec is highsec for a reason. It's not the reason you think, though. Highsec is highsec because it is a place where aggression comes at a cost. The GÇ£high securityGÇ¥ comes from the fact that you can gamble that people's miserliness will keep them from blowing you up GÇ¥just becauseGÇ¥ and instead need a compelling reason to pay the costs involved. That is all highsec is. I'd love for you to tell freighter pilots who fit for full tank yet get ganked when empty that they can defend themselves. I'm a friggin' banana. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
899
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Come to think of it, who's the proper recipient for donations? I feel the sudden urge to fund even more of their mayhem because of all of this.
Send ISK to James 315 with reason "Share Purchase" - you will be listed at the http://minerbumping.com blog as a supporter (unless you do not wish to be) and will be given shares in the New Order itself. 1 share = 1 million ISK. The cash goes into the fund we use to purchase all of our gank ships, and is only doled out to agents who provide full records of their kills/losses.
We thank you for thinking of supporting us! |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5383
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:54:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Tam Althor wrote:Remember CCP Falcon, the level of protection that concord provides players is the same level of job protection you have when the high sec players decide to quit. Will you survive the next 20% layoff when it happens? I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now. Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that. Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on. That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas. EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe. Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight
For the love of god Montressor, stop. It hurts. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24180
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:54:00 -
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Ahost Gceo wrote:I'd love for you to tell freighter pilots who fit for full tank yet get ganked when empty that they can defend themselves. Step 1: Find oneGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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