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Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.28 05:32:00 -
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CCP: READ MY LIPS. NO NEW TAXES.
NO NEW SKILLS FOR MARKET CRAP. Seriously, you tax the crap out of us already, its not like that tax GOES anywhere. When I find that fancy officer mod I want the full price for it, not that crap 5% tax to SCC sales tax which goes FING NO WHERE. If I got a T2 BPO I want to auction off you want to take money out of it!? Im just gonna raise the damn price, or do it out of game and direct trade it. You gonna tax that too!? Stop with the Fing tax crap.
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Kazoki Zocore
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Posted - 2006.07.28 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kazoki Zocore on 28/07/2006 06:09:48
Maybe if you actually wanted to put some effort into trading, you wouldn't mind the taxes. The taxes are there because a third-party is handling them. You can't expect the place that sees and enables you make to a billion isk not want any of it, right?
I fully support this contract system. Even if it does create an uber-jita, it will be vastly better than the current escrow.
Not to mention that it can be exploitable. Also, an uber-jita would be fun to watch while new players get ownt. 
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Miss Brownie
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Posted - 2006.07.28 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Brownie on 28/07/2006 06:33:29
There is one BIG problem with this ccp.
Many ppl search the escrow system for nber modules.
Like faction modules that you cant find on market (as long as you dont have a module yourself) that only popup on escrow maybe ones every week and then only in 1 region.
With the new system it would be impossible to find these modules if you dont go around to all regions, or everybody goes to Jita.
Great system though !
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Lygos
ISS Navy Task Force
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Posted - 2006.07.28 06:39:00 -
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4-5 contracts is a bit few.
I guess it will just push for the creation of more middle management though.
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CYVOK
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.28 06:54:00 -
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-NO NEW SKILLS!
-NO CONTRACT LIMITS FOR CEO's
-CONTRACTS FOR "ALLIANCE ONLY" & "CORP ONLY"
-NO FEES FOR INTERNAL CORP/ALLIANCE CONTRACTS
-GOBAL issue.
Limit traffic by allowing a "buyer" to search for specific items. Or, make the gobal browser out of game so a member can browse and then go to the location in game later.
Also. I was REALLY looking forward to having certain functions in game that sites like http://www.nagamazon.com/site.php?pid=main & http://www.evetrust.com/content/en/1000/as well as many other do so well.
This system looks like an AWESOME place to start, the player base so desperatly needs this fuctionality in game. But requiring yet more skills and stupidly high fees is simply going to make this entire system useless as a true function.
I was really looking forward to setting up contracts for my corp members to take, go mine XXX or pick up XXX and deliver to XXX and be rewards with XXX. But if I can only set up 5 or or even 50 a day wtf are the other 400 members going to do. I also do not feel like having to find yet more ISK just to provide a better, easier and more rewarding gamming expierance for my Corp/Alliance members.
CCP, I beg you to reconsider not the function of this great tool, but how you have currently chosen to implment it.
Bottom line,
-Ditch the skills and add a "hard limit" of like: 100 per player, 300 for Corp director, 750 for CEO, 2500 for Alliance Exector (or somehting)
-Add some kind of gobal, search?
-Elimate Fees for internal Corp/Alliance contracts.
Thank you
-CYVOK-
PS. I think the comunity would like to see a post from you guys at least letting us know you have read ALL the posts in this topic. I do not mean to be disrespectful or rude but we (the community) have cut you guys A TON of slack since the last expansion. Delay after delay, bug after unfixed bug, constantly declining quality of GM support.
ALL of us have kept the faith in all of you at CCP that you would do right by us and that Kali would not let us down. We could really use a confideance boost after this.
Personally I don't care if Kali ever goes live at this point. I would kill for every little annoying bug to be fixed, GM's that actually listen/research an issue and most of all ban's for all the sploiters and macro bots running in the universe.
You guys over thier at CCP never cease to amaze me with the brilliant ideas you come up with for us out here in your universe.... equally, latly you seem to be just as good as turing those ideas into nothing more then time/isk sinks that add nothing to real game play.
I guess I am asking that you guys let us PLAY the game instead of constantly WORK at it.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.28 07:03:00 -
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I know for sure that I will deploy an alt in Jita, Rens and Ours in order to be able to find good prices on items unless the global "feature" gets altered in some way.
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Rab
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Posted - 2006.07.28 07:08:00 -
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No global - Removing features is seldom a good idea in a game.
Price-linked fees for contracts: Seems inevitable that there will be a stack of contracts saying things like: 'xxx for sale in Rens - evemail if interested (do not bid)'
I can see contracts system ending up as a bulletin board.
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Gariuys
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 28/07/2006 07:22:48
No Global is a bad idea... make it more expensive or something... at any rate tax should be low.
Undecided on the skills thing but really don't see why it shouldn't use market skills instead of even more skills to use normal game features.
But internal/alliance contracts should be unlimited and not cost anything!!!
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Balthamael
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 08:13:00 -
[99]
 Originally by: CYVOK
-NO NEW SKILLS!
-NO CONTRACT LIMITS FOR CEO's
-CONTRACTS FOR "ALLIANCE ONLY" & "CORP ONLY"
-NO FEES FOR INTERNAL CORP/ALLIANCE CONTRACTS
-GOBAL issue.
Limit traffic by allowing a "buyer" to search for specific items. Or, make the gobal browser out of game so a member can browse and then go to the location in game later.
I guess I am asking that you guys let us PLAY the game instead of constantly WORK at it.
Totally agree with you here CYVOK. Great idea about the global search function. That might be a good solution to the "no global sale"
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Apertotes
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.07.28 08:20:00 -
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i think it would be better to just be able to search for specific regions. this way we could search all the universe without jumping from region to region, but it would take a lot of work.
this would benefit those willing to look through every region to find those rare great deals, without having to travel all over the universe.
if you are really interested on a specific item, you can quickly look the contracts on your actual region, the 5 ot 6 closer regions, and the 2 or 3 main trade hubs, but since they are showed one region at a time, the impact on the server wont be so heavy, hopefully.
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Celior
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Posted - 2006.07.28 08:21:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Right, just did a bit of math. If I had done my most recent logistics trip with the contract system I would have needed 294 slots.
Skills based. Why am I getting the idea we're losing touch with CCP :/
Virt, you're doing it the wrong way!  The people who want stuff transported set contracts in the arrival station for the items. The same items are claimed by you in the departure station by contracts. You arrive and just fill the contracts in arrival with the items hauled! It'd seem like you would have alot less work that needs to be done that way... I mean, looking up contracts in a list and filling them must be easier than setting up a bunch of escrows.
I can't believe people don't see the incredible potential of this!
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Gariuys
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 08:23:00 -
[102]
Hmm think anyone in this thread sees the potential, it's a awesome system from the looks of it. Don't mean we're happy with every part of it....
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Celior
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Posted - 2006.07.28 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Hmm think anyone in this thread sees the potential, it's a awesome system from the looks of it. Don't mean we're happy with every part of it....
True, true. What I meant to say is that the new system might give you trouble at first look but also gives you the tools to solve them, perhaps even making it better than before.
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Helmut 314
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.28 08:51:00 -
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Nice ideas, but so many glaring holes in your thinking CCP.
The biggest one is the no-global contracts. Just as people say it will focus the majority of trading even more to places like Jita because thats where the market is. Second issue : limits on number of contracts. Makes no sense at all from a player perspective. Third issue : costs and taxes like market ? Imagine having to sell a capital ship with taxes... Fourth issue : more bloody skills that will be close to mandatory...
Serioulsy, you need to have a second look at this CCP.
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Aurien
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2006.07.28 09:07:00 -
[105]
I'm pretty excited about the new contract system. I've never really cared for escrow, it's slow and a pain to search through. CCP should just add all faction, officer, etc loot to the market database. There is already plenty of it on the market that no one can see unless they have the module. Right now in Domain you can buy several different True Sansha Non-Energized plates for around 100-200k isk. Problem is no one can see them. Add them to the regular market database, and people will spread them throughout the regions. And we'll be able to actually see a price history, instead of seeing the one or two same items still in escrow at super inflated prices.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.07.28 09:08:00 -
[106]
I am a Pro-Globalist and I am Proud!
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.07.28 09:10:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Maya Rkell
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your point are well taken, but if you didn't always speak in absolute you may have a bit more credibility...
QFT :P
Also, I think the ability to search within specific regions which you're not in is probably a good compromise - shouldn't require any more load than just searching your own region, makes it very hard to do truly "global" lookups but lets you check the market in Jita etc. Yes, I understand and encourage the desire to regionalise the markets, but they're currently still centralised and trying to force regionalisation in this way will not work - it'll just mean more trips to Jita and more people living in The Forge. Please - include a "search region x" feature and code it so that you can remove it later if and when the markets are set up in a more regional manner.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.28 09:42:00 -
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Will anything be put in place to stop people building up a reputation by having alts issue simple contracts to them?
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 09:43:00 -
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Personally I dont mind the removal of global contracts. If you really want to have that super cheap deal then you better work for it even if it means having an alt in every region.
Overall I cant wait to see this live, good stuff if you can make courier actually work compared to todays version.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Will anything be put in place to stop people building up a reputation by having alts issue simple contracts to them?
Nah, it'd probably be complete with the "Great service!! A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++" comments.
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:06:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Celior
I can't believe people don't see the incredible potential of this!
Grrr :P You're missing the point :P
-NO NEW SKILLS!
-NO CONTRACT LIMITS FOR CEO's AND DIRECTORS
(yes, 500+ contracts going out on a day won't be something surprising)
-CONTRACTS FOR "ALLIANCE ONLY" & "CORP ONLY"
-NO FEES FOR INTERNAL CORP/ALLIANCE CONTRACTS
-GOBAL issue.
Virtuozzo
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Krayl
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:09:00 -
[112]
I don't see how this can be called a replacement for escrow when it already does less. I think the private one may be used, but I wouldn't expect the public ones to be if the old system stays in place.
1+n/skill level contracts is a complete joke, and tbh, any limit will be. If you want them to be used, there needs to be no limit. Just only display the first n relevant options if db access is a problem, people are intelligent enough to use searches to get what they want as long as the search tools are flexible enough.
Taxes: This sucks but people will get over it.
As for more other skills, it takes more than enough time to train capitals, thank you.
Non-global is just another kick in the face to those trying to live in 0.0 - forcing us to wander around empire for ages if we want something.
Otherwise, looks good. Hopefully these glaring flaws can be fixed.
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Max1mus
Mining Specialists Inc
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:14:00 -
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I got to say, the no-global sales is going to be a huge bug bear for me. Don't know about the rest of you guys but I used to love being able to search through escrow for faction ships and faction kit going up for sale in other parts of the galaxy.
When I sit down in a 0.0 region, it can sometimes be hard enough finding stuff you need without being restricted from looking into escrowed stuff from neighbouring regions.
Please be cautious CCP in implementing this if there is major objection. SOE made the mistake of ignoring the community, I trust you will not make the same mistakes.
CCP has always made some very sage decisions in how they moved the game on and this for me is the first bump in the road in 3 years, here hoping it is one that gets resolved to everyones happiness.
Rest of the ideas look good though so not all bad 
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Befounder
Turksquad
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:33:00 -
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i believe CCP will hear us and answer our concerns in time. there is no way they will push something that most of the community doesnt like.
also, I was hoping for a stock market where people can trade stock in a safer way. Also, a payment plant system where you can buy an item in 20 easy payments of XXX :)
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Za Po
I'll be in the minority, but I think that no global market is a good idea. More opportunities for traders to work the differences between regions.
I agree but it'd work better if it was coupled with a limit on the number of contracts that can be placed in each region. Perhaps have a queue like we do in manufacturing/research so that you can create a contract in any region but it won't go live until a slot is available.
Taking this idea even further (and not really serious):Make contract slots commodities so that people could buy them and sell them using contracts.
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Isova
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:44:00 -
[116]
Well, I for one like the new contracts as it is described in the blog. But who am I? Just some n00b with an exclamation mark for a face..
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven
Thirdly, I dont see why guys have to take such great ideas and screw them up. The new lab system sounded great, but now you cant find labs worth poo in empire if you want to do any kind of ME reserach on bpos. The average wait time is over 10 days on most empire slots. I went from researching bpos in weeks to researching the same amount in months. I spent many hours of hard work searching for cheap labs that was totaly negated when you implented this new future. It seems to me that you have to tarnish anything great that you guys do.
Not true. There's several around me that average four or five days. The new manuf/research is a lot better than the old system.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Pabs Sco
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 10:53:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Pabs Sco on 28/07/2006 10:54:03
No new "Contract" skills please!!!!!!!!
No new Taxes please!!!!!
If you want to set the number of slots use the current market skills that are used for the Market.
Thats the BIG probelm with Escrows and Market they dont reflect each other. The contract system sounds good, but dont restrict it with more skills.
A search feature is the most needed feature on the Escrow system, have that in the contrat system. Have search, search globaly!!!
More skill that requier the use of contract will harm the small manufacturing corps and new people.
Other than the skills and taxes..oh and no global search it sounds like a great improvment over Escrow.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 11:08:00 -
[119]
Meh!
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.28 11:08:00 -
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What it needs is:
- Select region
- Search globaly for "***" in describtion/contract
- Ignore contracts from this pilot
- Enter price range
- Monkey button
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