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dalman MASS	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:56:00 - [31] Well, these regions, as many others, changed completely after mid-februari 2004 - when the 1389 patch was released. Up until then the only stations in 0.0 space was the NPC stations in Stain/Curse/Venal/Fountain. And all these places were inhabited by powerful alliances. Then there were 2 other alliances around; Xetic and CFS (Coalition of Free Stars). Xetic was rather new, but quite big, and lived in the 'south-east' regions. CFS lived in the regions (now named) Querios, Pure Blind and Delve, and was hardly an alliance at all. More of a joint warning channel for pirates. 2 Months earlier, high end ore had been removed from the 'NPC owned regions', which dramaticly increased the interest for the other 0.0 regions. Now with the 1389 patch, 3 conquerable stations were introduced in each of these regions, and a whole lot of new jumpgates were added. What then happened to Xetic and CFS is pretty much complete opposites: Xetic was a rather tight group, who had napped both SA and CA. These were very busy fighting each other, and both already had access to several regions with ore and hence no interest in Xetic space. And other parties would have to face the trouble of that the only entrances to Xetic land was through the SA-CA warzone. So Xetic was left alone and could prosper. CFS did not have the same fortunes. First off, the stations had limited office space and you could tax players. And stations need to be defended. Which rly didn't work out well in the not so tight CFS. Second, the new gates opened up a highway for FA into this space, and unlike SA and CA they didn't have any other ore regions. Needless to say this grabbed their interest. So, from then on those regions have been the place for alot of conflicts, which someone who lives there better tell about. Things didn't rly settle until much much later when BoB/FIX allied and held the regions. I kinda miss the old days of really big changes Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: TornSoul .... selective memory...... I am quite shocked that you have chosen to omit one of the key factors that caused CFS/UFS to crumble as quickly as they did. CFS/UFS had the intention of also capturing querious.. and who was there at the time TornSoul? Was in not QDF/FIX (Querious Defence Force) that broke the 100 man CFS fleet that came to take Querious? Was it not the QDF/FIX fleets that then blocked the A2-V27 pipeline and NEVER allowed another UFS/CFS fleet of any significance to enter the south? The QDF broke the CFS's back and handed victory to you on a silver platter. CFS got gangbanged by us in Querious and yourselves in PB/Delve.. only we did most of the heavy lifting. Truth is FIX killed CFS to all intents and purposes... they would have lasted a whole lot longer if we hadn't been there.... primarily cause SA would have intervened, in CFS's favour. This post is about Delve and PB and who was there before Band of Brothers Nez... We only lived Querious so we have little to do with this thread since we never lived in Delve or PB. We did effect the region by controling our part of the pipe but never spent time living there or occupying territory there so <shrug>.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:20:00 - [33] Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/07/2006 02:21:19 Originally by: Doppleganger This post is about Delve and PB and who was there before Band of Brothers Nez... We only lived Querious so we have little to do with this thread since we never lived in Delve or PB. We did effect the region by controling our part of the pipe but never spent time living there or occupying territory there so <shrug>. .. Tornsoul broached the subject in his post... Originally by: Tornsoul Needless to say, when that fatefull EVEmail hit my inbox... The FA FC's where given their orders - "Retake the stations".(Delve/Querious and PB). And.. Needless to say, the CFS(/UFS) would ofc not just let this happen... I still remember beeing the one having to give the FC's the order... And effectivly signing the CFS(/UFS) Death Warrant... (This after a FA vote was done. - The necessary amount of persons to do a vote was quickly gotten together) CFS(/UFS) died 2-3 days later - Thats all it took. DSMA howver fought on in PB for the longest of times though - 2-3 months? But eventually moved out. ... I simply filled in some missing details pertaining to the quoted section....besides any history of PB/Delve after a certain time period, without including FIX is retarded, as FIX controlled the A-2 pipe and were the gatekeepers for the south-west... Besides having a little dig at me.. the point of your post was....???
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Nez Perces besides any history of PB/Delve after a certain time period, without including FIX is retarded, as FIX controlled the A-2 pipe and were the gatekeepers for the south-west... Controlled the pipe... maybe we just patrolled the pipe since that was a part we never claimed. Many ppl that lived in and owned Delve and PB passed through the pipe we only stopped CFS when made made the turn in the pipe we controlled which has more to do with Querious space then Delve and PB.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:33:00 - [35] Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/07/2006 02:34:47 Originally by: Doppleganger Controlled the pipe... maybe we just patrolled the pipe since that was a part we never claimed. Many ppl that lived in and owned Delve and PB passed through the pipe we only stopped CFS when made made the turn in the pipe we controlled which has more to do with Querious space then Delve and PB. ... I'm sorry but your last post made no sense whatsoever... maybe you want to edit it.. cause as it stands its little more than gibberish....
Endless Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. The game was fun back then. I agree the game was alot more fun before the POS.
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:13:00 - [37] I will simplify it for you then Nez... As everyone knows we didn't claim A-2 -> 7GC we only patrolled it... FIX only took notice when ppl entered G-3Bog and headed toward Q space. I agree with Tornsoul's rendition the major players for Delve and PB were FA, DSMA, StA, Shinra, M3G4 and finally BOB. They were the ones that did the majority of changing that region over the history of EVE. .
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Doppleganger I will simplify it for you then Nez... As everyone knows we didn't claim A-2 -> 7GC we only patrolled it... FIX only took notice when ppl entered G-3Bog and headed toward Q space. I agree with Tornsoul's rendition the major players for Delve and PB were FA, DSMA, StA, Shinra, M3G4 and finally BOB. They were the ones that did the majority of changing that region over the history of EVE. . ... how little do you know....don't argue with me dobbleganger...I was leadership of QDF/FIX at the time.. anything that happened in Delve/PB after a certain time period was inextricably linked with FIX wether directly or indirectly. After CFS died.. there were two powers in the south-east.. FIX and FA .. their interaction defined what happened to PB and Delve, which to all intents and purposes became wastelands or rather areas where FA conducted experiments in regional population. If you want somebody to argue with me at least do me the courtesy of sending somebody who held a little more rank.
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Nez Perces don't argue with me dobbleganger...I was leadership of QDF/FIX at the time.. I know what your rank was and thank you for as far back as we go for spelling my name wrong. Originally by: Nez Perces After CFS died.. there were two powers in the south-east.. Southwest Originally by: Nez Perces If you want somebody to argue with me at least do me the courtesy of sending somebody who held a little more rank. And I was/am a director in 3 founding member corps so I know. I will not be a part in derailing this thread any more.. History is already written so I will let others see it for what it was.
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:39:00 - [40] Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Doppleganger Originally by: Nez Perces After CFS died.. there were two powers in the south-east.. Southwest ..thx for the correction.
Angelhunter Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.28 05:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. ---------------
IonHammer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 06:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Endless Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. The game was fun back then. I agree the game was alot more fun before the POS. both pos types suck arse, and my fun out of eve.
Bor'rak 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:09:00 - [44] I agree, the POS element of 0.0 space claiming has change the game for the worst in my opinion. Memories, so many memories of the first official war I took part in à. QDF aka FIX vÆs CFS and her allies.
Mimiru Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. was waiting for you or coug to throw that in But yeah, the game was (or atleast seemed) a lot more fun back then. Well except for me having to retake nol station solo in a scorp a few times. Hopefully the 8 new regions will give the same kind of excitment conq stations and smugglers gates had when they were first introduced. --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
nemtrex Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:27:00 - [46] Edited by: nemtrex on 28/07/2006 07:27:17 Yea I miss thoose days. Back then EvE was a game, now it's a part-time job.
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:31:00 - [47] The newly born FIX did have the opportunity to control Period Basis after the UFS was ejected. Through discussions with FIX and FA, it was in discussion to make PB and Delve a joint protectorate, open to all corps of good standing. Basically, free-ish space. FIX felt that PB was an overextension of our projected power, and we declined. Overall, we had little interest in either of the other two regions, though we had an indirect influence due to activities in the A2 pipe. Due to our disinterest, talks with FA about the shared protectorate idea fizzled out; there was simply no passion there. Other than a few excursions against mainly Shinra when they moved in, our involvement in day to day events was low. PS. Now I'm wondering what experiences Abdalion had back in the CFS days if he's still pondering it :D Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
TheHerbster Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:39:00 - [48] Pre Bob, I was in Rough-Necks which joined the CFS. At first it all went well down in Querious and Delve and we mined and PvP'd the pirates that would come down there. The problem with CFS was that many of the corps seemed more interested in mining and not protecting the region. When the Conquerable stations became available, CFS got together a tasty little fleet but refused to take them. Some rubbish about politics etc. We saw it an not having any <3 My opinion is that this was the begining of the end for CFS as there seemed very few member corps willing to fight for the space. We had a couple of fights with m0o. We got pwned, but we tried.(Don't get me wrong, a few other CFS corps fought aswell, but nowhere near enough of them had the <3). Eventually, we got completely fed up with the CFS leadership and left. We became pirates and shortly afet m0o asked us to join them. To me, CFS was a brilliant idea, but it just didn't have the infrastructure, right corps, and leadership to succeed. It was a long time ago, so my memory of the whole debacle may not be correct. But this was how I saw the situation, then and now. Don't worry sir!! They couldn't hit an elephant at this ra.....
Romble Eve University The Big Blue	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:43:00 - [49] Originally by: nemtrex Edited by: nemtrex on 28/07/2006 07:27:17 Yea I miss thoose days. Back then EvE was a game, now it's a part-time job. More like fulltime if your involved with Pos maintenance or any kind of leadership Besides the minor flames in this thread it is interesting to see the maps and read the stories behind it all as this is all before my time in game. Eve politics is why i like this game so much and it is this constant map redrawing and the alliances/enemies formed that is the most intriging. I can understand why many of you like the old days. It is the same with all these games vets remember back to when things were and think fondly of their goodtimes. However, i think if you talked with the entire eve population they would say the game is far better now then it was back then. Anyhow I look forward to more map reshaping My MMORPG History: Ac->AO->DAOC->SWG->COH->WoW->Eve
Pegas Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.28 08:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. Well keep telling u`reself that. Honestly I don`t think Shinra lost any fight against DMGI + RUBRA. The only thing that I recall from u`re group is Cpt Pigwash (stabbed pest) and Stradivarious in a vaga. As I corectly recalled Shinra left along side with ATUK to form 5 as for M3GA they went inactive after a while.
Sol Basso	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:07:00 - [51] Am I the only one that thinks the maps were better when all the region names were on it (not just the 0.0 ones)?
Ace Frehley Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:22:00 - [52] I remember when we in DSMA toghter with a few CFS corps who would fight, (Celts) did gurilla warfare down in PB. And FA was kinda lazy in begining sendin all wierd muppet alliances to try and kill us Then I think FA got sick and tierd that we dident die, so they sent down whole the piiip fleet on us. We were maybe roughly 200 warriors against 3000 fa members. We tried but he numbers was just to much. So after a while we gave up and moved out. But the hate against FA dident end, so thats why my corp went back down when Shinra invaded PB, and look what happend. We are now in same alliance as Shinra and before that we were 5 sponsorcorp. Funny part is that the old FA corp Finfleet is on our side aswell. Must say back then was hilarius nuch more fun. And sometimes I ended up in SA fleets penetrating down deep into CA space, dunno what I was doin or where i was. Suddenly A station showed up wich we took. Back then, a 200 man fleet wasent hard to move..... BBCODE:
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. Mmm, bitter. Loxy I can't believe you share the same corp as this trash (the 'Welcome to ATUK' vid rings a bell, no?). Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.07.28 13:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. comedy. DMGI and RUBRA didn't chase anyone out. as you might remember SNRA moved out to form up with ATUK, BOS, RE1GN and SUPRM to move into curse (which is even documented in a TK8 flash) and create The Five later. M3G4 followed their friends SNRA first but went inactive shortly after. PB had been totally deserted for a while before BOB took over and populated it.
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.07.28 13:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Randay Wow, thinking back, could you imagine what eve would be like today if FIX had choosen to back CFS instead of FA? I wonder what kind of domino effect would take place and how the current southern map would look if someone went back in time and convinced us not to blow up that one CFS fleet. Chaos theory? bob would still come, bob is evil, but at that time FA were strong and would have crushed fix and cfs happy?
Princess Kuki Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:11:00 - [56] So when did BOB come into play in these regions? Sorry for all the questions but im beginning to get fascinated by all this =D
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Princess Kuki So when did BOB come into play in these regions? Sorry for all the questions but im beginning to get fascinated by all this =D when they decided to abandon their northern regions and just came to delve.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, Not sure what you thought your role was Araviel, but I can tell you that CFS had nothing to do with the creation of QDF. Honestly, QDF was begun as a result of conversations had between me, Nez Perces and Droewa. That started the ball rolling and it was not CFS that was involved in that aspect. Before QDF, I am sure what every veteran of JK-FIX (Querious) of those days will say is that BA, IT, JAKD, Ominous Corp., J.E.H.N.R., and many other corporations, including ADGA, OA, and some I now forget due to time, worked together to police the area with little assistance from anyone else. We controlled Q, not CFS. Very simple. Did we have good relations with CFS? Yes. Did CFS, except on only 1 or 2 occasions that I can recall, ever come and help defend the region? No, although I believe your corp and may 1 or 2 others assisted occasionally in regional defense. CFS stayed in A2, primarly. If you would like to delve into the history of Q a bit further, I will be happy to expound. As a past Intelligence Director, Senator and President of CFS, I can still remember much of what occurred in those days.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either You are a funny man. Which corp were you with at that time, ADGA? If so, I recall we ran you out of Q one fateful night.
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:58:00 - [60] Yoda, you're getting old and forgetful Aeon was a part of Ascendancy (Serge's crew), their notable discordant member of the time was Ginger Magician. I don't think too many people would argue on Gingers behalf anymore. ADGA was a part of STA, one of the founders if I remember right, and they lead that alliance. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.

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