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Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:52:00 - [211] Where are FA now, empire based and for that matter FIX are they both empire based alliances now?
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.08 20:12:00 - [212] Originally by: Edison Frisk Where are FA now, empire based and for that matter FIX are they both empire based alliances now? FIX still operates out of Querious although the CODA war almost destroyed the alliance and likely would have if not for BOB's intervention. BOB and FIX now have an allied relationship and BOB actually holds sovereignty in the station systems. The rest of the agreement between the parties is not a matter for public consumption. FA, along with others, are now Rise alliance and where they live they will have to respond to. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:09:00 - [213] Originally by: Edison Frisk Where are FA now, empire based and for that matter FIX are they both empire based alliances now? FA merged with NORAD and live in Outer Ring under the name R.I.S.E. edit OHMY*******GODDIEFORUMSDIE ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:25:00 - [214] so now fix are anti FA to please their current landlords, how times change viva la cfs!!
qrac Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:37:00 - [215] Originally by: TornSoul Here ya go : Frantik's safe busting recipe I dug around on our forums a bit - and found it (it's more than 2 years old...) He also wrote a (very long) tutorial on how to do it... Frantik was invaluable to the FA. Do you still have the tutorial? -------------------------------------------
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 18:02:00 - [216] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 09/08/2006 18:03:33 Originally by: Edison Frisk so now fix are anti FA to please their current landlords, how times change viva la cfs!! No Edison, it was FA that became anti-FIX and formed part of CODA forces that attacked FIX. To my knowledge, FIX did not aggress FA until that point in time and we currently do not go to where they live and aggress them at this point in time. Regarding our relationship with BOB,let's just say that it is very mutually beneficial in several ways. Edit: Oh, I forgot. Remember, CCP is primary!!! Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.09 18:30:00 - [217] Originally by: Edison Frisk so now fix are anti FA to please their current landlords, how times change I doubt FIX are anymore anti-FA (btw FA is now merged into R.I.S.E) than anybody else is.... at most I would suggest there is indeference, at least that was what I felt when I was in FIX. However, I think it may be relevant to point out why FIX became indeferent to FA over time and eventually napped BoB and cut FA loose, as opposed to remaining a staunch ally. After the CFS war QDF/FIX felt it had proven itself as a reasonably powerful entity able to hold its borders and with a certain amount of ambition. It is my opinion that FA failed to capitalise on FIX's military abilities as an ally. After the CFS war, FA had a vote to decide wether FIX should be allowed to govern itself...... the cheek of it. FA also had a condescending attitude towards FIX even at the height of our 'friendship'. It is my view that FA leadership considered FIX to be second class. At one stage FIX let it be known that we had interests in expanding either into Delve or PB.. tbh as an ally we expected FA to assist us in our development. However, FA made it quite clear that PB and Delve were FA property and were to remain that way. When the first installment of the SA war broke out with FIX, FA made it clear that their longstanding treaty with SA over-rided their frienship with us, and that only if we requested/begged for assistance would it be given. Infact on one occasion FIX council lost heart during the SA war and sought out Tornsoul to ask for assistance.. I had to contact Tornsoul after the event and over-rule the FIX council. Asking for FA's help would have meant being in debt to them, something which dealings with FA had already proven would be a bad move. FIX got assaulted by Atuk/BoB/SA, we survived.. primarily because BoB/Atuk realised that SA were not as good as they made out to be and so BoB didn't bother getting fully involved... FIX never lost a fleet battle against SA in the first SA war and SA retired from their assault on 9cg with a bloody nose. I believe this is the first instance in which rifts arose between SA and BoB, previous to this Trigger could do no wrong. I also believe that Tornsoul via an existing working relationship with Trigger, managed to persuade him to look for a peaceful resolution to the war after SA found it impossible to break FIX fleets. BoB continued fighting with FIX but not with the intention of destroying us.. instead their focus switched to Delve and PB and eventually FA prime with the help of Shinra and Atuk. FIX was willing to assist FA in the defence of their regions, but to be perfectly honest we did not see FA doing enough defending of their own. We started arriving at the conclusion that FA was dead already... and that they weren't defending Delve/PB properly, simply because they didnt have the military to do so. The funny thing is that even when things were going pete-tong for FA they always managed to retain an air of "ivory-tower" arrogance, whilst continuously underestimating their military capabilities. For me the above in bold is the primary reason why FIX had no qualms in cutting FA loose and napping BoB, when FA arguably needed an ally the most. BoB then proceeded to systematically evict them from Fountain space. OFC the fact that we liked BoB quite a bit after fighting them for 2/3 months solid was another factor. Disclaimer : These are my personal recollections of my time as a FIX JCoS, as to why certain things happened the way they did.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.09 18:50:00 - [218] Originally by: Nez Perces For me the above in bold is the primary reason why FIX had no qualms in cutting FA loose and napping BoB, when FA arguably needed an ally the most. BoB then proceeded to systematically evict them from Fountain space. OFC the fact that we liked BoB quite a bit after fighting them for 2/3 months solid was another factor. ... just to add some extra information to this... FIX also napped BoB so that we could be confident that our western borders were secure. We had identified a new region for expansion... Catch and the very nice constellation holding the FAT station. What followed was practically uninterrupted hostilities with the Coalition, and the various incarnations of SA/SE and finally CODA... which is more recent history.
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.09 19:48:00 - [219] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Nez Perces For me the above in bold is the primary reason why FIX had no qualms in cutting FA loose and napping BoB, when FA arguably needed an ally the most. BoB then proceeded to systematically evict them from Fountain space. OFC the fact that we liked BoB quite a bit after fighting them for 2/3 months solid was another factor. ... just to add some extra information to this... FIX also napped BoB so that we could be confident that our western borders were secure. We had identified a new region for expansion... Catch and the very nice constellation holding the FAT station. What followed was practically uninterrupted hostilities with the Coalition, and the various incarnations of SA/SE and finally CODA... which is more recent history. Well I have respect for FIX, after the CFS wars I was assimilated into Shinra and occasionally we entered FIX for a good ol scrap no intentions of taking over the space but merely to have fun and you always obliged with 50+ in numbers. good times. I say he who fights for space should at least get a chance to reside in it where as the pussies who ss all the time need evicting permanently. I think all in all over the past 8 pages its nice to see people remembering those times long ago so fondly, I feel we have all grown up since then and all treaded different paths, righteous or not, I really do ♥ you all! Now next time anyone see's me in space please call me primary, I like it - thx
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 19:59:00 - [220] Edison, for your edification: I spoke with Conrad today and he has now read this thread. I did not have time to guage his reaction, so I will keep you tuned in as I find out. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Talon SilverHawk Caldari Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.09 23:34:00 - [221] Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:45:15 Such a blast from the past. Passed through the old stomping grounds the other day, down the pipe and into Gehi. Being foreign minister for the CFS was interesting in a very painful sort of way.Some members did more damage on the inside then anyone did from the outside. Was it Ends that offered mOo a contract to attack the CFS except for his ships to toughen us up ???? wonder what happened to him and that seal guy. Tal What goes around comes around
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 13:55:00 - [222] Originally by: Talon SilverHawk Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:47:42 Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:45:15 Such a blast from the past. Passed through the old stomping grounds the other day, down the pipe and into Gehi. Being foreign minister for the CFS was interesting in a very painful sort of way.Some members did more damage on the inside then anyone did from the outside. Was it Ends that offered mOo a contract to attack the CFS except for his ships to toughen us up ???? wonder what happened to him and that seal guy. Thought you found it a struggle towards the end Yoda... Tal Yes, it was Ends. And, Yes, it was a struggle towards the end. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes Almost there!
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.10 17:31:00 - [223] I have to say what the loss of CFS meant to me was the failure of idealism, democracy, and small corps in eve. CFS was in large part the proof that large numbers of small corps simply could not be pulled together into a cohesive fighting force. That was the experiment, and it failed. I'm very proud of the time spent by SFHI in running and defending CFS, even though most of our work was done in period basis. (Killing C4 FTW) I can definitely say it will take a lot to convince me that democracy can work in eve and allow an alliance to move quickly enough to fight, and I will never again believe in the power of small corps, or the goodwill of nearby alliances. --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 18:49:00 - [224] Originally by: Synapse Archae I have to say what the loss of CFS meant to me was the failure of idealism, democracy, and small corps in eve. CFS was in large part the proof that large numbers of small corps simply could not be pulled together into a cohesive fighting force. That was the experiment, and it failed. I'm very proud of the time spent by SFHI in running and defending CFS, even though most of our work was done in period basis. (Killing C4 FTW) I can definitely say it will take a lot to convince me that democracy can work in eve and allow an alliance to move quickly enough to fight, and I will never again believe in the power of small corps, or the goodwill of nearby alliances. If what Hardin wrote in the ASCN thread about standings and the need to police the Providence area is correct, in some respects the experiment is working elsewhere. However, you analysis of some of the faults of the CFS and it's demise are correct. Oh, and Yoda waves to Talon. Glad to see you again. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes Almost there!
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.11 23:21:00 - [225] Originally by: Talon SilverHawk Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:47:42 Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:45:15 Such a blast from the past. Passed through the old stomping grounds the other day, down the pipe and into Gehi. Being foreign minister for the CFS was interesting in a very painful sort of way.Some members did more damage on the inside then anyone did from the outside. Was it Ends that offered mOo a contract to attack the CFS except for his ships to toughen us up ???? wonder what happened to him and that seal guy. Thought you found it a struggle towards the end Yoda... Tal yes, it was Ends, but to be totally accurate, it wasnt a contract he offered MoO. MoO had already been hanging around CFS space causing mischief (as they often did). Ends didnt like the affect this had on his multiple account, macro mining RL job (he had like 15 accounts, and basically just mined all day, and then ebayed most of the isk), so he offered to "buy off" MoO to the tune of something like a billion isk (and this was back when that was a crapload of isk). But he only wanted to buy protection for his own corp (which was basically him and his alts). He threw the rest of the CFS under the bus. Please visit our website here
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.11 23:38:00 - [226] Ahh good old Ends, and his 15 mining vexors with their 5 Ity5 haulers. o.O --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Raindrop LittleHauling Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.12 03:30:00 - [227] I remember End's whole line of ships leaving Gehi @ x minutes interval because they'd otherwise bump into each other somewhere down the line. 30 jumps out... sheez Raindrop 100% Carebear and loving it. Collector of junk and leftovers. NPC and low end minerals trader. Hauler.
Fantus Caldari Pitch Black Incorporated	Posted - 2006.08.16 23:20:00 - [228] My History of JK-FIX: I don't know everything, but I had a good line in the politics of the time. First, we will start at the beginning.... My first trip to JK-FIX was to a hunting system. Back then you could easily chain in one belt, while others stayed in other belts. There were no BS's, it was all cruisers, and JK-FIX had a nice little community of hunters. Friendly, watched each others backs, and was a very cool piece of free space, before alliances took a hold of the game. In that time, alliances were being forged, and m0o was roaming about. As a response to some of the incursions on the community, an idea was sprung to form some kind of protection. CFS and the CFS Navy were born (I was not part of the discussions, but I did join the CFS Navy). CFS Navy actually could hold it's own at one point, with the likes of Madcap Magician, Saul Saiden, Serge, and a lot of other very willing pilots. They learned from fighting m0o. But, during this time, the first parasite started infecting the community, his name was Ends, of Ends Journey. Him and his 12 alt accounts, clogging up the gates with numerous haulers, mining off belt bistot. He wanted to buy the CFS, and even bought m0o for a short time. CFS Navy, the good incarnation, started going belly up. The alliance corps weren't supporting it much (except for a few), and CFS Navy lost it's leadership. A few people tried to carry it on, but with lack of support, and Ends buying members for his bistot machine, it wasn't the same. I was in a corp called Phoenix Rising Inc. (PRI) at this time, and we were in active ops with SeTI Corporation. We merged, along with JBX into Ascendancy Inc. (ASCI). Our forward base was in Chamemi, and we because very well liked, and respected (contrary to some other opinions) in what was now Querious. During this time, we chose to stay nuetral, but supported a lot of the same goals as CFS. I think this is when Nez and J.H.E.N.R. entered the scene. Things were working well, and Black Avatar was inhabiting the space (somewhat, as they were involved with FA too). The stations were mostly protected by Imperium, ASCI, and Black Avatar, with the pipes as CFS's responsibility. Enter the dark age... With BA controlling the 3BK station (that ASCI was protecting mostly at the time), a little dissention started unfolding. We were mad at the taxes, and the fact that we were little more than a pawn in the process to some people. In this time, someone recorded an ASCI Ventrilo convo, about taking over the 3BK station, so we could manage it, and have something to call our own. Unfortunately, the convo was between 3 non-director members, just going over the possibilties in EVE, and this was taken way out of context. At the time, we were already in conversations with Stain Empire (to become Stain Alliance), about moving to their space. I will repeat this once, B.A. did not push ASCI out. We were very torn between Querious, which we considered a home, and Stain. We were ready to fight B.A., but through diplomacy, we tried to keep a already volitale region from exploding on the spot. The war lasted less than a few hours. I'm not gonna mention Ginger Magicians part in all of this, cause it was really a side quest. During the dimplomacy talks, I asked Yodoran to make a defense channel for the region cause CFS wasn't doing anything. That became QDF, which was the military wing that drove FIX into existance. At this time ASCI was already en route to Stain to help with the CA wars there. Yes, I could go into much more detail... But what started out as a simple, and cool free space community, and a unique aspect of the game, became a load of crap in the matter of a few months.. Starting with someone thinking he could buy people off. Some play the game like that, but the original JK-FIX community was filled with heart and soul players, and I preffer to remember that over the rest. Fantus
Arturio Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.16 23:35:00 - [229] DOG!!!!!!! I'm coming back for at least a visit. Ven maybe too :)
CardboardSword42 Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:37:00 - [230] Originally by: qrac Originally by: TornSoul Here ya go : Frantik's safe busting recipe I dug around on our forums a bit - and found it (it's more than 2 years old...) He also wrote a (very long) tutorial on how to do it... Frantik was invaluable to the FA. Do you still have the tutorial? I'm also interested in reading this guide, could someone please link it? I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 01:07:00 - [231] The talk of Frantik, while I didn't know who he was at the time (I was never on the opposite side of the fence from him), sounds exactly like another pilot who used to be around the Querious area, Cyther. Seriously, if you see him, he's hostile (which is likely), and he's looking for you, just get the hell out of dodge Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:03:00 - [232] While we're on the topic, anyone recall the local dual mwd raven pirate that used to hang out in querious? I so loved and hated him at the same time, much like tomba.. till he joined ofc :P
Elfman AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:50:00 - [233] Nice read this and takes me back. Nice to see some old faces from back then are still in the game. The one thing I really enjoyed back then was the sheer amount of PvP you could get into so quickly :) Waves to everyone above who rem's me ;)
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:11:00 - [234] Originally by: Aeon Yakati While we're on the topic, anyone recall the local dual mwd raven pirate that used to hang out in querious? I so loved and hated him at the same time, much like tomba.. till he joined ofc :P Would you be thinking of SlamD? Or maybe Crusher666 and Hellsomebody. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:59:00 - [235] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Aeon Yakati While we're on the topic, anyone recall the local dual mwd raven pirate that used to hang out in querious? I so loved and hated him at the same time, much like tomba.. till he joined ofc :P Would you be thinking of SlamD? Or maybe Crusher666 and Hellsomebody. Yeah, he was definitely one of the regular dual mwd ravens, getting away almost every single time... The character hellspawn666 still plays but I'm not sure if it's still the same guy (I can ofc just ask since he's in my corp :P). At one point Serge and I were so close to killing SlamD, but just as we thought we had him, Serge's screen went black and he got away with like 1% structure and leaving me behind in a pod :P Miis those old times.
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:28:00 - [236] Hey Yoda do you think you could convince Conrad to come chat with his old corp? --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:43:00 - [237] Originally by: Synapse Archae Hey Yoda do you think you could convince Conrad to come chat with his old corp? I will make the effort for you. Regarding Fantus' post, and although we do not see eye to eye on the part about them leaving or being forced out, I recall several conversations with him and others in his corporation during the time that things started heating up in Q. I can honestly say that with the possible exception of Ginger Magician, all those involved had a healthy respect for each other, a respect that I honestly still hold to this day. SlamD. Now there is a blast from the past. If I am not mistaken, he was in RUS but was from Canada and lived a short distance from many of the BA guys who played at that time. He was an excellent pilot but actually preferred combat in his inty and his blackbird over the raven. Hope I have the right chap. The others names given are also well familiar. Those were indeed interesting times on the PvP front. And Yes, it was not difficult at all to find a fight just about any time you wanted one. M0o was always accomodating, as were many other pirate entities that travelled the long voids of space in Q. Keep it up folks! More history and perspective please. In closing, as Fantus basically said, you cannot buy a region anymore than you can buy an alliance. I think Ends found that out a tad too late, although I did find him entertaining on TS when he would play his guitar and sing while mining, hauling, etc. I am told the image is properly sized now. Can you confirm please?
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.18 00:45:00 - [238] lovin that fact that this thread is still alive, I want an official max suicide alt post pls, and maybe one from liquidcool. Yoda good job keeping this thread goin man. Ed
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.18 00:50:00 - [239] Originally by: Edison Frisk lovin that fact that this thread is still alive, I want an official max suicide alt post pls, and maybe one from liquidcool. Funny that you should mention max.. I recieved an in-game mail from him 2 days ago saying that he was thrilled to see this thread getting longer and longer. He can't post as he is perma-banned I believe. So everybody wave to Max Suicide, as he is probably still keeping an eye on this thread
Silinary Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 04:37:00 - [240] ... and ehre I thought good 'ol Maxy quit playing. waves No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...

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