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Princess Kuki Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.27 19:54:00 - [1] I was looking at the old territorial maps and noticed devle and period basis were held by bob in all of them, and i cant remember any1 else who used to live in those regions. So... who controlled them before bob came in? is there a history of these regions anywhere? Hope som1 can answer :) Thanks
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade Curse Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.27 19:57:00 - [2] I suggest you get the latest E:ON issue and read for yourself (and/or you could look a bit closer on the map thread, older maps are there too). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.27 19:59:00 - [3] If you look back at the old maps it should show you.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Sochin on 27/07/2006 20:03:09 Here is a map well before BoB. April 2004 Feb 2005 Nemo me impune lacessit
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:15:00 - [5] i was there before bob, so it was acctually more unsafe back then as you can imagine ;P
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:21:00 - [6] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong.
Ace Frehley Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:31:00 - [7] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 27/07/2006 20:35:28 I was in Period Basis with DSMA... We shared it with CFS i think, dunno much cus i mostly saw DSMA or stain members Oh and i was back when Shinra went in Period Basis BBCODE:
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:39:00 - [8] I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Araviel Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 21:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, ---------- signature under construction
Princess Kuki Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.27 21:29:00 - [10] Thanks =D More interesting than i thought... Som1 who knows what there talking about should write historys of the 0.0 regions maybe... could be interesting.

Hoshi Blackguard Brigade Curse Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.27 21:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Princess Kuki Thanks =D More interesting than i thought... Som1 who knows what there talking about should write historys of the 0.0 regions maybe... could be interesting. Someone is, again I suggest you get the latest issue of E:ON. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vegas Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:23:00 - [12] Originally by: NAFnist i was there before bob, so it was acctually more unsafe back then as you can imagine ;P Its the truth people leave Jita when he's 10 jumps away!!
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either
IonHammer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either IC that itch you couldn't scratch is still kicking on bud.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:43:00 - [15] Originally by: IonHammer Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either IC that itch you couldn't scratch is still kicking on bud. Caused by a squished muppet?
viceman Without Reason	Posted - 2006.07.27 22:54:00 - [16] I was the old owner of period basis tbfh not cfs DSMA AND ME FTW!!!!! p.s. - they called me benwallace back then --------------------- They see me rollin They hatin Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.27 23:24:00 - [17] Originally by: viceman I was the old owner of period basis tbfh not cfs DSMA AND ME FTW!!!!! p.s. - they called me benwallace back then rgr thanks for the heads up, setting standings now. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.

Abdalion	Posted - 2006.07.27 23:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. I have felt this as well, was thinking of the CFS days just recently ___

Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.27 23:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. I have felt this as well, was thinking of the CFS days just recently Things were so much more simpler and memorable, eh? ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.07.27 23:30:00 - [20] What i always find amusing nowadays is seeing where a lot of the active CFS people ended up :)

TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.27 23:38:00 - [21] PB story First alliance to 'claim' it was CFS (CFS was open borders though, so anyone could come and go as they wished - as long as they 'behaved' - No pirating etc. Not much enforced however) Enter the 'new' jumpgates (connecting Fountain/Delve, PB/PS etc Some time after (dont recall how long anymore - a month?) moo suddenly descended on PB - and took the stations there. CFS couldnt/wouldnt do much about it. BIG/FA moves to PB to fight of moo. Some locals join in (a couple of CFS pilots show up occationally as well - But is in general a rare sight) During this Techell suddenly buys the stations from moo, and moves in (and gets the stations). Moo babysits Techell for a couple of weeks, but finally tires and moves out. (I still have a vived recolection of chasing the last 7 moo's out of PB, all the way across Delve - That was quite the night ) After moo is gone, more and more locals join the fight (against Techell now) After a month or so (give and take) Techell finally tires and moves out completly. Tons and tons of station ping-pong during this period (cant coutn the number of times I've killed the shields of those damn stations...) The PB stations stay on FA hands for roughly a year or so. FA never lays any direct claim to the territory of PB during this time (only the stations), and CFS 'rules' apply (open space for all as long as they behave) This (statiosn on FA hands) ofc much to the dismay of both CFS and the locals in PB (this turns ugly later on) Few attacks now and again from various pirate corps - Bit of station ping pong every now and again. But stations never stay of FA hands for long. Local numbers just grow and grow and grow in PB during this period. Regularly 30-50, and even 70 ppl in local. Was a haven really... shrug "Then one fatefull evening..." It finally "turns ugly" (as mentioned above) between FA and CFS (now joined by a couple of local alliances - DSMA in PB, and StA in Delve - Together called the UFS) The first station to be attacked is the TPAR one - First auto-mail about it beeing attacked hits my inbox at 20:04. BIG Lottery [u
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.27 23:39:00 - [22] (Loooong aside : We (FA) knew that the attack would happen. Or rather, that it was planned to happen. To the last moment I truly hoped (/nearly prayed..) CFS(/UFS) would not be so stupid/suicidal (sorry guys, but theres no other words for it...). We (FA) had ordered our FC's to gather the fleet in Fountain core. None of them new why that order was given. Only 3 or 4 (could be a couple more) top FA people knew why (the CFS plans to attack) Needless to say, when that fatefull EVEmail hit my inbox... The FA FC's where given their orders - "Retake the stations".(Delve/Querious and PB). And.. Needless to say, the CFS(/UFS) would ofc not just let this happen... I still remember beeing the one having to give the FC's the order... And effectivly signing the CFS(/UFS) Death Warrant... (This after a FA vote was done. - The necessary amount of persons to do a vote was quickly gotten together) CFS(/UFS) died 2-3 days later - Thats all it took. DSMA howver fought on in PB for the longest of times though - 2-3 months? But eventually moved out. ----- Regardless what any might think today - I spend the better part of a year trying to keep CFS alive and at least "formally" in control of the 3 regions they claimed. (one of the ironies was that, I/we even stopped a war between DSMA/CFS from happening once... Which would have at least killed one of them. This was done with "gun in hand", and none of the parties appriciated our interferennce, to stop them from killing each other, one bit ) Lots of conflicting interests in doing all of this... - and very few in CFS ever saw it for what it was, and the necessity for it... (CFS would die left on their own... FA was their (unwelcome) "buggieman" keeping serious parties out of there (like SA...And a few others who'd like a new home)) Needless to say, I was probably one of the least liked persons in CFS due to the way this had to be handled (CFS would ofc have prefered FA just buggered the hell back to fountain)) </end aside> After CFS had died, and DSMA had finally (after a long brave fight) vacated PB, a shortlived attempt was made (by me) to put PBL (Period Basis Legion) in charge of PB (most of FA had 'lost interest' in doing much about PB, now that CFS where dead - It was "too far away" etc etc. If you count the number of jumps from Fountain core to the statiosn in Delve, and to TPAR, you'll however notice a remarkable thing... They are the same... 35j if I recall (not ingame atm) - But on the map PB looks far far far longer away) I created PBL to avoid excactly what happened next.... PBL was perhaps 3-4 weeks "old", and the corps wherent coordinated proberly yet - Not too mention not all had moved their pilots and gear to PB yet either. M3G4/shinra came in force... Didnt take them long to take over... Not much resistance offered really... The rest as they say is history.... ------------------ This is my version. I'm fairly sure that others (mostly old CFS'ers) will have a quite diferent view on how things where And yes, I've left out tons of details - So the above is ofc not complete in anyway, but it ended up much longer than I intended as it is... And I'm sure it will get flamed/trolled to death by those with a different view. Please just remember - This is my view. How I saw things. So dont get all tied up in a knot ok. BIG Lottery [u
IonHammer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.27 23:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: IonHammer Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either IC that itch you couldn't scratch is still kicking on bud. Caused by a squished muppet? and such a very good one by the sounds of it
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:01:00 - [24] Originally by: TornSoul .... selective memory...... I am quite shocked that you have chosen to omit one of the key factors that caused CFS/UFS to crumble as quickly as they did. CFS/UFS had the intention of also capturing querious.. and who was there at the time TornSoul? Was in not QDF/FIX (Querious Defence Force) that broke the 100 man CFS fleet that came to take Querious? Was it not the QDF/FIX fleets that then blocked the A2-V27 pipeline and NEVER allowed another UFS/CFS fleet of any significance to enter the south? The QDF broke the CFS's back and handed victory to you on a silver platter. CFS got gangbanged by us in Querious and yourselves in PB/Delve.. only we did most of the heavy lifting. Truth is FIX killed CFS to all intents and purposes... they would have lasted a whole lot longer if we hadn't been there.... primarily cause SA would have intervened, in CFS's favour.
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:09:00 - [25] Like I said nez - My post is incomplete. Lots of details missing. I tried to keep it to just things concerning PB (but yes strayed a bit of course as well). And I'm definatly not going to continue the age old **ing contest of who did what where the most in the CFS war. You guys played a role. FA played a role. Lets just leave it at that for now ok? BIG Lottery** [u
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:12:00 - [26] Wow, thinking back, could you imagine what eve would be like today if FIX had choosen to back CFS instead of FA? I wonder what kind of domino effect would take place and how the current southern map would look if someone went back in time and convinced us not to blow up that one CFS fleet. Chaos theory? ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:19:00 - [27] Originally by: TornSoul Like I said nez - My post is incomplete. Lots of details missing. I tried to keep it to just things concerning PB (but yes strayed a bit of course as well). ... well if you are gonna tell a story tell it right... Consider it a personal favour that I helped you fill in those missing details...
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:24:00 - [28] Nez - Feel free to add to it. I see Reiisha us readign this too - I'm sure she would more than welcome any details you can add. Even if it isnt specifically about PB/Delve as the OP posted. The 3 regions afterall have a ton of common history - and it's hard to talk about one without talking about the other. But if you (and others) can (to avoid too many flames) try and keep the "who did what where the most" out of it... It onyl causes flames... You'll notice my post (tries very hard) to simply state the facts, regarding the regions themself (and ive added quite a bit of personal comments) and not who did "more" than others. shrug BIG Lottery [u
IonHammer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: TornSoul .... selective memory...... I am quite shocked that you have chosen to omit one of the key factors that caused CFS/UFS to crumble as quickly as they did. CFS/UFS had the intention of also capturing querious.. and who was there at the time TornSoul? Was in not QDF/FIX (Querious Defence Force) that broke the 100 man CFS fleet that came to take Querious? Was it not the QDF/FIX fleets that then blocked the A2-V27 pipeline and NEVER allowed another UFS/CFS fleet of any significance to enter the south? The QDF broke the CFS's back and handed victory to you on a silver platter. CFS got gangbanged by us in Querious and yourselves in PB/Delve.. only we did most of the heavy lifting. Truth is FIX killed CFS to all intents and purposes... they would have lasted a whole lot longer if we hadn't been there.... primarily cause SA would have intervened, in CFS's favour. Nez is 100% correct. Speaking of SA I have looked under a lot of rocks lately but to no avail, guess i will wait for a statement of some sort.
Logan Williams Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. The game was fun back then.

dalman MASS	Posted - 2006.07.28 00:56:00 - [31] Well, these regions, as many others, changed completely after mid-februari 2004 - when the 1389 patch was released. Up until then the only stations in 0.0 space was the NPC stations in Stain/Curse/Venal/Fountain. And all these places were inhabited by powerful alliances. Then there were 2 other alliances around; Xetic and CFS (Coalition of Free Stars). Xetic was rather new, but quite big, and lived in the 'south-east' regions. CFS lived in the regions (now named) Querios, Pure Blind and Delve, and was hardly an alliance at all. More of a joint warning channel for pirates. 2 Months earlier, high end ore had been removed from the 'NPC owned regions', which dramaticly increased the interest for the other 0.0 regions. Now with the 1389 patch, 3 conquerable stations were introduced in each of these regions, and a whole lot of new jumpgates were added. What then happened to Xetic and CFS is pretty much complete opposites: Xetic was a rather tight group, who had napped both SA and CA. These were very busy fighting each other, and both already had access to several regions with ore and hence no interest in Xetic space. And other parties would have to face the trouble of that the only entrances to Xetic land was through the SA-CA warzone. So Xetic was left alone and could prosper. CFS did not have the same fortunes. First off, the stations had limited office space and you could tax players. And stations need to be defended. Which rly didn't work out well in the not so tight CFS. Second, the new gates opened up a highway for FA into this space, and unlike SA and CA they didn't have any other ore regions. Needless to say this grabbed their interest. So, from then on those regions have been the place for alot of conflicts, which someone who lives there better tell about. Things didn't rly settle until much much later when BoB/FIX allied and held the regions. I kinda miss the old days of really big changes Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 01:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: TornSoul .... selective memory...... I am quite shocked that you have chosen to omit one of the key factors that caused CFS/UFS to crumble as quickly as they did. CFS/UFS had the intention of also capturing querious.. and who was there at the time TornSoul? Was in not QDF/FIX (Querious Defence Force) that broke the 100 man CFS fleet that came to take Querious? Was it not the QDF/FIX fleets that then blocked the A2-V27 pipeline and NEVER allowed another UFS/CFS fleet of any significance to enter the south? The QDF broke the CFS's back and handed victory to you on a silver platter. CFS got gangbanged by us in Querious and yourselves in PB/Delve.. only we did most of the heavy lifting. Truth is FIX killed CFS to all intents and purposes... they would have lasted a whole lot longer if we hadn't been there.... primarily cause SA would have intervened, in CFS's favour. This post is about Delve and PB and who was there before Band of Brothers Nez... We only lived Querious so we have little to do with this thread since we never lived in Delve or PB. We did effect the region by controling our part of the pipe but never spent time living there or occupying territory there so <shrug>.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:20:00 - [33] Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/07/2006 02:21:19 Originally by: Doppleganger This post is about Delve and PB and who was there before Band of Brothers Nez... We only lived Querious so we have little to do with this thread since we never lived in Delve or PB. We did effect the region by controling our part of the pipe but never spent time living there or occupying territory there so <shrug>. .. Tornsoul broached the subject in his post... Originally by: Tornsoul Needless to say, when that fatefull EVEmail hit my inbox... The FA FC's where given their orders - "Retake the stations".(Delve/Querious and PB). And.. Needless to say, the CFS(/UFS) would ofc not just let this happen... I still remember beeing the one having to give the FC's the order... And effectivly signing the CFS(/UFS) Death Warrant... (This after a FA vote was done. - The necessary amount of persons to do a vote was quickly gotten together) CFS(/UFS) died 2-3 days later - Thats all it took. DSMA howver fought on in PB for the longest of times though - 2-3 months? But eventually moved out. ... I simply filled in some missing details pertaining to the quoted section....besides any history of PB/Delve after a certain time period, without including FIX is retarded, as FIX controlled the A-2 pipe and were the gatekeepers for the south-west... Besides having a little dig at me.. the point of your post was....???
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Nez Perces besides any history of PB/Delve after a certain time period, without including FIX is retarded, as FIX controlled the A-2 pipe and were the gatekeepers for the south-west... Controlled the pipe... maybe we just patrolled the pipe since that was a part we never claimed. Many ppl that lived in and owned Delve and PB passed through the pipe we only stopped CFS when made made the turn in the pipe we controlled which has more to do with Querious space then Delve and PB.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:33:00 - [35] Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/07/2006 02:34:47 Originally by: Doppleganger Controlled the pipe... maybe we just patrolled the pipe since that was a part we never claimed. Many ppl that lived in and owned Delve and PB passed through the pipe we only stopped CFS when made made the turn in the pipe we controlled which has more to do with Querious space then Delve and PB. ... I'm sorry but your last post made no sense whatsoever... maybe you want to edit it.. cause as it stands its little more than gibberish....
Endless Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 02:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. The game was fun back then. I agree the game was alot more fun before the POS.
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:13:00 - [37] I will simplify it for you then Nez... As everyone knows we didn't claim A-2 -> 7GC we only patrolled it... FIX only took notice when ppl entered G-3Bog and headed toward Q space. I agree with Tornsoul's rendition the major players for Delve and PB were FA, DSMA, StA, Shinra, M3G4 and finally BOB. They were the ones that did the majority of changing that region over the history of EVE. .
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Doppleganger I will simplify it for you then Nez... As everyone knows we didn't claim A-2 -> 7GC we only patrolled it... FIX only took notice when ppl entered G-3Bog and headed toward Q space. I agree with Tornsoul's rendition the major players for Delve and PB were FA, DSMA, StA, Shinra, M3G4 and finally BOB. They were the ones that did the majority of changing that region over the history of EVE. . ... how little do you know....don't argue with me dobbleganger...I was leadership of QDF/FIX at the time.. anything that happened in Delve/PB after a certain time period was inextricably linked with FIX wether directly or indirectly. After CFS died.. there were two powers in the south-east.. FIX and FA .. their interaction defined what happened to PB and Delve, which to all intents and purposes became wastelands or rather areas where FA conducted experiments in regional population. If you want somebody to argue with me at least do me the courtesy of sending somebody who held a little more rank.
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Nez Perces don't argue with me dobbleganger...I was leadership of QDF/FIX at the time.. I know what your rank was and thank you for as far back as we go for spelling my name wrong. Originally by: Nez Perces After CFS died.. there were two powers in the south-east.. Southwest Originally by: Nez Perces If you want somebody to argue with me at least do me the courtesy of sending somebody who held a little more rank. And I was/am a director in 3 founding member corps so I know. I will not be a part in derailing this thread any more.. History is already written so I will let others see it for what it was.
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:39:00 - [40] Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Nebba - The Vocal Majority

Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 03:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Doppleganger Originally by: Nez Perces After CFS died.. there were two powers in the south-east.. Southwest ..thx for the correction.
Angelhunter Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.28 05:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. ---------------
IonHammer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 06:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Endless Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. The game was fun back then. I agree the game was alot more fun before the POS. both pos types suck arse, and my fun out of eve.
Bor'rak 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:09:00 - [44] I agree, the POS element of 0.0 space claiming has change the game for the worst in my opinion. Memories, so many memories of the first official war I took part in à. QDF aka FIX vÆs CFS and her allies.
Mimiru Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. was waiting for you or coug to throw that in But yeah, the game was (or atleast seemed) a lot more fun back then. Well except for me having to retake nol station solo in a scorp a few times. Hopefully the 8 new regions will give the same kind of excitment conq stations and smugglers gates had when they were first introduced. --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
nemtrex Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:27:00 - [46] Edited by: nemtrex on 28/07/2006 07:27:17 Yea I miss thoose days. Back then EvE was a game, now it's a part-time job.
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:31:00 - [47] The newly born FIX did have the opportunity to control Period Basis after the UFS was ejected. Through discussions with FIX and FA, it was in discussion to make PB and Delve a joint protectorate, open to all corps of good standing. Basically, free-ish space. FIX felt that PB was an overextension of our projected power, and we declined. Overall, we had little interest in either of the other two regions, though we had an indirect influence due to activities in the A2 pipe. Due to our disinterest, talks with FA about the shared protectorate idea fizzled out; there was simply no passion there. Other than a few excursions against mainly Shinra when they moved in, our involvement in day to day events was low. PS. Now I'm wondering what experiences Abdalion had back in the CFS days if he's still pondering it :D Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
TheHerbster Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:39:00 - [48] Pre Bob, I was in Rough-Necks which joined the CFS. At first it all went well down in Querious and Delve and we mined and PvP'd the pirates that would come down there. The problem with CFS was that many of the corps seemed more interested in mining and not protecting the region. When the Conquerable stations became available, CFS got together a tasty little fleet but refused to take them. Some rubbish about politics etc. We saw it an not having any <3 My opinion is that this was the begining of the end for CFS as there seemed very few member corps willing to fight for the space. We had a couple of fights with m0o. We got pwned, but we tried.(Don't get me wrong, a few other CFS corps fought aswell, but nowhere near enough of them had the <3). Eventually, we got completely fed up with the CFS leadership and left. We became pirates and shortly afet m0o asked us to join them. To me, CFS was a brilliant idea, but it just didn't have the infrastructure, right corps, and leadership to succeed. It was a long time ago, so my memory of the whole debacle may not be correct. But this was how I saw the situation, then and now. Don't worry sir!! They couldn't hit an elephant at this ra.....
Romble Eve University The Big Blue	Posted - 2006.07.28 07:43:00 - [49] Originally by: nemtrex Edited by: nemtrex on 28/07/2006 07:27:17 Yea I miss thoose days. Back then EvE was a game, now it's a part-time job. More like fulltime if your involved with Pos maintenance or any kind of leadership Besides the minor flames in this thread it is interesting to see the maps and read the stories behind it all as this is all before my time in game. Eve politics is why i like this game so much and it is this constant map redrawing and the alliances/enemies formed that is the most intriging. I can understand why many of you like the old days. It is the same with all these games vets remember back to when things were and think fondly of their goodtimes. However, i think if you talked with the entire eve population they would say the game is far better now then it was back then. Anyhow I look forward to more map reshaping My MMORPG History: Ac->AO->DAOC->SWG->COH->WoW->Eve
Pegas Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.28 08:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. Well keep telling u`reself that. Honestly I don`t think Shinra lost any fight against DMGI + RUBRA. The only thing that I recall from u`re group is Cpt Pigwash (stabbed pest) and Stradivarious in a vaga. As I corectly recalled Shinra left along side with ATUK to form 5 as for M3GA they went inactive after a while.

Sol Basso	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:07:00 - [51] Am I the only one that thinks the maps were better when all the region names were on it (not just the 0.0 ones)?
Ace Frehley Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:22:00 - [52] I remember when we in DSMA toghter with a few CFS corps who would fight, (Celts) did gurilla warfare down in PB. And FA was kinda lazy in begining sendin all wierd muppet alliances to try and kill us Then I think FA got sick and tierd that we dident die, so they sent down whole the piiip fleet on us. We were maybe roughly 200 warriors against 3000 fa members. We tried but he numbers was just to much. So after a while we gave up and moved out. But the hate against FA dident end, so thats why my corp went back down when Shinra invaded PB, and look what happend. We are now in same alliance as Shinra and before that we were 5 sponsorcorp. Funny part is that the old FA corp Finfleet is on our side aswell. Must say back then was hilarius nuch more fun. And sometimes I ended up in SA fleets penetrating down deep into CA space, dunno what I was doin or where i was. Suddenly A station showed up wich we took. Back then, a 200 man fleet wasent hard to move..... BBCODE:
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. Mmm, bitter. Loxy I can't believe you share the same corp as this trash (the 'Welcome to ATUK' vid rings a bell, no?). Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.07.28 13:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. comedy. DMGI and RUBRA didn't chase anyone out. as you might remember SNRA moved out to form up with ATUK, BOS, RE1GN and SUPRM to move into curse (which is even documented in a TK8 flash) and create The Five later. M3G4 followed their friends SNRA first but went inactive shortly after. PB had been totally deserted for a while before BOB took over and populated it.
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.07.28 13:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Randay Wow, thinking back, could you imagine what eve would be like today if FIX had choosen to back CFS instead of FA? I wonder what kind of domino effect would take place and how the current southern map would look if someone went back in time and convinced us not to blow up that one CFS fleet. Chaos theory? bob would still come, bob is evil, but at that time FA were strong and would have crushed fix and cfs happy?
Princess Kuki Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:11:00 - [56] So when did BOB come into play in these regions? Sorry for all the questions but im beginning to get fascinated by all this =D
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Princess Kuki So when did BOB come into play in these regions? Sorry for all the questions but im beginning to get fascinated by all this =D when they decided to abandon their northern regions and just came to delve.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, Not sure what you thought your role was Araviel, but I can tell you that CFS had nothing to do with the creation of QDF. Honestly, QDF was begun as a result of conversations had between me, Nez Perces and Droewa. That started the ball rolling and it was not CFS that was involved in that aspect. Before QDF, I am sure what every veteran of JK-FIX (Querious) of those days will say is that BA, IT, JAKD, Ominous Corp., J.E.H.N.R., and many other corporations, including ADGA, OA, and some I now forget due to time, worked together to police the area with little assistance from anyone else. We controlled Q, not CFS. Very simple. Did we have good relations with CFS? Yes. Did CFS, except on only 1 or 2 occasions that I can recall, ever come and help defend the region? No, although I believe your corp and may 1 or 2 others assisted occasionally in regional defense. CFS stayed in A2, primarly. If you would like to delve into the history of Q a bit further, I will be happy to expound. As a past Intelligence Director, Senator and President of CFS, I can still remember much of what occurred in those days.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either You are a funny man. Which corp were you with at that time, ADGA? If so, I recall we ran you out of Q one fateful night.
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:58:00 - [60] Yoda, you're getting old and forgetful Aeon was a part of Ascendancy (Serge's crew), their notable discordant member of the time was Ginger Magician. I don't think too many people would argue on Gingers behalf anymore. ADGA was a part of STA, one of the founders if I remember right, and they lead that alliance. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.

Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 15:10:00 - [61] Originally by: Avernus Yoda, you're getting old and forgetful Aeon was a part of Ascendancy (Serge's crew), their notable discordant member of the time was Ginger Magician. I don't think too many people would argue on Gingers behalf anymore. ADGA was a part of STA, one of the founders if I remember right, and they lead that alliance. You are right and I am wrong. Long time ago. Yes, poor Ginger. He did create them problems and we ended up running them out. I apologize to ADGA for my poor memory. Heh, it hurts to be this old.
Machiavelli7 Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 15:35:00 - [62] Tornsoul's account strikes me as fairly accurate. FIX's biggest tactical blunder, IMO, was not going to PB to kick Shinra out when they had the chance. The ramifications of this non-event set the stage for the current political landscape. o/ ebervody - trust you're all well
Dirtball Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.07.28 15:53:00 - [63] So this one day I was flying around my shiny new thorax with a couple smart bombs and probably something stupid like an autotargetter, barely any tank at all. I managed to kill a couple sansha 20k ships one jump out of A2, but it was a balancing act between using cap for smartbombs and either my mwd or Ab to stay outside of gun ranges of these sansha guys. Then as I decided to leave there were about 10 people all chatting in A2 chat, warped to the gate and there are like 4 NGRU battleships all parked next to each other and I just auto pilot on by and go back to repair or whatever it is I had to do, they had no clue who i was, I had no clue who they were, but that was 0.0 open to everyone, that was pretty cool, this char was actually created as a combat alt to my miner dude so that I could try and get in a CFS corp back in the day, but it imploded right around the time I was able to fly cruisers ( I trained all frigs to lvl 3 first, the whole time I've just trained whatever skill takes the least time, all combat stuff though ). I remember a couple christmases ago afk mining in a badger 2 in a hidden belt a couple jumps out of 1dh, making instas before many people knew what they were and surely before people would trade them with each other. Was peace love everywhere back then. I was never in the know enough back then to know what went down or whatever though but it was definetly one of the better times in eve. Not as cool as flying around with the Great Wildlands crew in Curse alliance days, not as neat as tooling around in syndicate after curse broke apart, but when JK-Fix was JK-Fix it was fun.
James McGowen Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:00:00 - [64] As I recall, DSMA held the stations in pb for a short time before and after m0o came, but for some reason FA eneded up in control of the station during the conflict with c4 over in pargon during some station ping pong, and ended up keeping it, which kind of irritated us, but we lived with it for quite a while. CFS was, well, annoying (except for celts <3) and never there, and we almost went to war with them, and FA was, well, never there as well so we did go to war with them. Star? Star never really existed as far as I cared, the one corp that mattered in star joined fa right off the bat as I remember (<3 shbh). QDF/FIX really did pwn cfs, and Star... didnt do anything. As for DSMA, we did ok for a while, mostly because FA didnt really want to travel all the way to PB and QDF/FIX didnt give a damn about us, just fought us in the pipe (I rember a fun 1v1 with couq). After we ground down a few fa friendly sponsored nubs tho fa came and blobed us and we decided the whole us vs everyone else bit was getting old, so we went our different ways. We did get back together for a shindig in vale for a few weeks once. Those were the days, before lame ass pos wars. Heck, I could even solo pvp in a bs back then vs FA sponsored corps/alliances, that was great fun. Oh yes, and VC. All i remember was fun 1v1s and 2v1s with strad and his alt. I don't recall any large scale combat vs VC during the time Shinra/m3g4 were in PB tho.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Machiavelli7 Tornsoul's account strikes me as fairly accurate. FIX's biggest tactical blunder, IMO, was not going to PB to kick Shinra out when they had the chance. The ramifications of this non-event set the stage for the current political landscape. ... there are things that no FIX CEO or director at the time had knowledge of... one of those things is what FA leadership was really like...(if FIX had known.. what they were really like.. we wouldn't have been their allies for very long..) Some people think BoB are machiavellian in their politics... well FA were the masters at it... at the time FA still had a lot of clout.. and was still dreaming of a unified South holding hands with Triggers SA. Do you really think FA would have let us have PB, considering Tornsoul's obsession with it? Do your really think FIX never had designs on sections of Delve? Why do you think the FA <> FIX relationship kept deteriorating? .. to the point where we cut them loose to their destiny with BoB. The south.. until BoB arrived was like an old boy's network.... with Trigger on one side and Tornsoul on the other.. FIX was stuck between these two self-serving entities. We didnt always have a lot of choices....
Ayane Vendre Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:15:00 - [66] Tornsoul's post seems fairly accurate except for a few pieces. By claiming the stations, they were taxing the people who used the region(both in station costs, docking costs(though most CFS corps got in for free) and most importantly refining costs). So they were charging people to use the region. Also, since FA had lots of enemies at the time, having FA owned stations drew pirates and other undesirables a lot. BIG grew even richer by owning the stations,drew nasty people to the region, and never once defended it that I can recall(Period Basis). I remember on several occasions seeing a single big come down and retake station alone, and I never once seen any other FA presence in like 3-4 months in PB(Except of course when dreadnaught and his buddies quit Xan and pirated down here, which of course FA did nothing about). So basically, tornsoul made FA out to be caring, well meaning philanthropists when really all they wanted was the ISK, and to hell with everyone else.
dabster Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:33:00 - [67] edit god damn ***** forum ** making me post three times!!! Basicly, Nez: stop being bitter, ranting makes you look really silly. CFS/DSMA were doomed from the first shots fired on the stations, what FIX did or did not do to prevent them getting numbers or whatever - doesnt amtter. They never had any numbers anywhere to match FA's anyway. curses the forums again for **ing on the original 3 times as long post ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Galk Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Logan Williams Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. The game was fun back then. Yeah id go with that. I couldn't care less about it these days, attitude rules the roost so to speak and i don't care to involve in such... but yeah those days were fun. Brings a smile to my face everytime i think of that 'we are your friends' campain curse/shinra had going on ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
Rover Vitesse Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:30:00 - [69] I don't really have much more to add, but if you take Tornsouls (hiya!!) and James' posts and combine them, it pretty much sums up the whole of the DSMA part of the war. We were really dissapointed with the whole CFS except perhaps CELTS and a few individual pilots, who fought on with us. By the time of the war they had become nothing more than a talking shop, all wanting the regions and stations for their own selfish needs, and having next to no military power nor leadership. DSMA almost buckled as fast; Katya Detia, who at the time was leader of the DSMA(still waiting for her to post here) had made some appalling (in my opinion) strategic and diplomatic decisions. The DSMA quickly formed a war council, comprising mainly of Sirius Cybernetics, Capsule Corp and True Illuminati, led by Neil Athotep. The quick reshuffle allowed us to fight on until early december. FA didn't really seem too much of a hassle nor bothered about Period Basis, the thing that broke us was the fact that we had to get resupplies through A2-V27, which was either cmaped by Pirates or the fledgling FIX. We even arranged a deal with SA to allow us access through Stain and Paragon Soul, but the extra jumps involved plus the hazards of HED-GP made that just as precarious. The whole Period Basis war was the catalyst for the reformation of DSMA, and the above three corps joined together in January 2005 to become Crisis Corp. Rovers Chronicles
Rover Vitesse Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:36:00 - [70] The following is the official account from the Crisis Corp Diary, written by Haldane Iv: Quote: In late 2004, a number of Corporations were operating in Period Basis region, using the two conquerable stations there situate at TPAR-G and at G-Q5JU. These stations were owned by Fountain Alliance (FA), who received taxes from those using the stations. Nominally FA purported to provide security to keep unwanted persons out of the area, but in practice they did little to do so and it was the resident Corporations, in Period basis assembled together under two organisations known as Coalition of Free Stars (CFS) and as Deep Space Mining Alliance (DSMA), to deal with pirates and aggressions from raiders such as Curse Alliance, MACE and MOO. Uniquely in the Eve universe, Period basis and the adjoining regions of Delve and Querius were not closed space claimed by an alliance, but were free to entry by any neutrals who were willing to live in harmony with the residents there (CFS/DSMA in Period Basis, and Querius Defence Force (QDF) in Querius and Star Alliance (StA) in Delve), and with FA. Amongst the Corporations living in Period Basis were True Illuminati (CEO Neil Athotep), Capsule Corp (CEO Droopsy) and Sirius Cybernetics (CEO Rover Vitesse). These 3, who had been living in the area since the Spring of 2004 were amongst the most pro-active corps in DSMA. Another Corporation in DSMA was Black Lance. The Celtic Industries Corporation was also residing in Period Basis. Towards the end of 2004 CFS/STAR become disillusioned with subservience to FA and determined that the stations in those regions should be taken from FA and claimed for use by the resident neutral Corps, with plans for admittance by any other neutrals who would agree to abide by the CFS charter. They joined forces with DSMA and QDF to do this under the ôUnited Free Spaceö (UFS) banner and hostilities with FA commenced in September. FA responded in force and despite considerable sympathy for the UFS cause and a number of fighters rallying to join their fight against FA, over a course of a couple of months FAs superior numbers, resources and organisation overcame the UFS forces. FinFleet and Jazz (forebearers of 42 Corp) were at this time FA members; at a later date both Corps resigned FA membership. Firstly Delve was subjected to FA attack and overrun by their forces. Efforts to defend Period Basis were then hampered when QDF split from UFS command with the objective of claiming and defending the Querius region for themselves. That objective further hampered CFS/DSMA/StA forces because although QDF were not really active against them, they did blockade the route to Empire passing through Querius space, compromising lines of supply to UFS. A combination of stern resistance by QDF, pre-occupation of FA forces in Delve and then Period Basis, and diplomatic manoeuvring by QDF caused FA to relinquish attempts to re-take Querious, and to concentrate their efforts on defeating UFS in Period Basis. CFS forces crumbled fairly rapidly however, although resistance was maintained for about three months by DSMA and by Celts, who fought closely with the DSMA forces. However FA continued to send forces into the area on a regular basis and in time open resistance in Period Basis diminished to the point where it was only effectively being carried out by a few DSMA corps. In the face of continued attacks and harassment by various FA corps CFS and DSMA began to disintegrate. At this point TI, Capsule and SCYC, seeing no future in Period Basis, left the area to look for a new position elsewhere. Remaining resistance in Period Basis reduced to guerrilla warfare and then petered out more or less completely to resistance by a few die-hards only, with the stations re-occupied by FA on a permanent basis. Read my chronicles for more fictionalised accounts of the history... Rovers Chronicles

Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:38:00 - [71] Originally by: dabster Basicly, Nez: stop being bitter, ranting makes you look really silly. CFS/DSMA were doomed from the first shots fired on the stations, what FIX did or did not do to prevent them getting numbers or whatever - doesnt amtter. They never had any numbers anywhere to match FA's anyway. ... well I guess that was FA's problem all along... i.e overestimating its military capabilities.... CFS with the A2- pipe open would have kept supplies coming into the area... had the conflict dragged on.. more parties would have gotten involved... Originally by: Tornsoul DSMA howver fought on in PB for the longest of times though - 2-3 months? But eventually moved out. Explain how DSMA managed to keep on fighting in deepest PB even when CFS/UFS itself had disbanded...... is it possible they were getting assistance from SA? I'm telling it how it happened.... If people think thats being bitter.... tough luck.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 18:04:00 - [72] Deeply run the feelings of the Old Days say I. I do agree with many things many of you have posted, but the most telling point was raised by Randay and a couple of others: These were simpler times when combat did not involve pos wars. That lustre has now worn dim in this very respect.
Ace Frehley Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 18:21:00 - [73] gurilla warfare and FA dident send their whole fleet first. And we were so ****ed that many of us swore not to give up until we were out of ammo... And nope, SA dident help us but we were allowed in their space.. So hehe got a ship or 2 from paragon sould and keeped my ships in aparagon in SP¦s... But that was just me, dont ask what the other did BBCODE:
Machiavelli7 Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 18:29:00 - [74] Maybe Yoda, I don't mind POS wars myself. Defending FAT and later on, 3BK were very enjoyable gaming experiences. /whispers to everybody whenever some of the old events are discussed 'That's right - it's a GAME folks!' Many corps and pilots have shaped the history of Querious, Period Basis & Delve. These regions all ended up in Bob hands - have been so for a long time, and it doesn't look like changing any time soon. Saying that, in this game, any zomgwtf thing can happen at anytime. Keeps it fresh
Dogsta Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:33:00 - [75] Originally by: Ace Frehley gurilla warfare and FA dident send their whole fleet first. And we were so ***ed that many of us swore not to give up until we were out of ammo... And nope, SA dident help us but we were allowed in their space.. So hehe got a ship or 2 from paragon sould and keeped my ships in aparagon in SP¦s... But that was just me, dont ask what the other did Actualy, We did send our whole fleet down in the begining, it was a week or so into it when most combat pilots returned to fountain core. I remeber the first night, first time I had ever been in a 200+ ship gang. and kindof like the first gulf war, it was retty much over a few moments after it started. dam fun times. Always Have Been, Always Will Be! AWT* --------
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:34:00 - [76] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either You are a funny man. Which corp were you with at that time, ADGA? If so, I recall we ran you out of Q one fateful night. Go back to WoW you bitter old man :P
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:41:00 - [77] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, And to add to that, we didn't see much BA either You are a funny man. Which corp were you with at that time, ADGA? If so, I recall we ran you out of Q one fateful night. Go back to WoW you bitter old man :P I was wrong about the corp. It is the alzheimers . . . yes . . . the alzheimers . . . Bitter am I not. Good times were they. Good times are they now. Aeon much <3.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:42:00 - [78] Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/07/2006 19:44:13 Originally by: Rover Vitesse The following is the official account from the Crisis Corp Diary, written by Haldane Iv: Quote: ...... they joined forces with DSMA and QDF to do this under the ôUnited Free Spaceö (UFS) banner and hostilities ... ..... Efforts to defend Period Basis were then hampered when QDF split from UFS command with the objective of claiming and defending the Querius region for themselves. Read my chronicles for more fictionalised accounts of the history... .. thats not a bad account of events pertaining to the CFS/UFS wars as far as the FIX side of the story is concerned.. except for a slight detail.. QDF was never part of UFS/CFS and QDF never once fired on FA forces. In effect the creation of QDF was authorised by Black Avatar and by implication FA (Black Avatar was part of FA by that time and was the station owner in Querious)... Black Avatar had two FC's in the QDF chain of command.... QDF would have never sided with UFS in that campaign for a single reason... It would have torn us apart..... Indeed they were good times... full of intrigue and drama..
Dust Angel True Core	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:48:00 - [79] Celts 4 life! _____________________________________ Stressed out with empire politics? Sansha's Nation helps clear your mind.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:55:00 - [80] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/07/2006 19:44:13 Originally by: Rover Vitesse The following is the official account from the Crisis Corp Diary, written by Haldane Iv: Quote: ...... they joined forces with DSMA and QDF to do this under the ôUnited Free Spaceö (UFS) banner and hostilities ... ..... Efforts to defend Period Basis were then hampered when QDF split from UFS command with the objective of claiming and defending the Querius region for themselves. Read my chronicles for more fictionalised accounts of the history... .. thats not a bad account of events pertaining to the CFS/UFS wars as far as the FIX side of the story is concerned.. except for a slight detail.. QDF was never part of UFS/CFS and QDF never once fired on FA forces. In effect the creation of QDF was authorised by Black Avatar and by implication FA (Black Avatar was part of FA by that time and was the station owner in Querious)... Black Avatar had two FC's in the QDF chain of command.... QDF would have never sided with UFS in that campaign for a single reason... It would have torn us apart..... Indeed they were good times... full of intrigue and drama.. Yoda seal of approval! I love it when a plan comes together. Much <3 Nez. Peas in a pod be you and me. Good times!

Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:57:00 - [81] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Much <3 Nez. Peas in a pod be you and me. Good times! <3
Rover Vitesse Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 20:38:00 - [82] Originally by: Nez Perces .. thats not a bad account of events pertaining to the CFS/UFS wars as far as the FIX side of the story is concerned.. except for a slight detail.. QDF was never part of UFS/CFS and QDF never once fired on FA forces. In effect the creation of QDF was authorised by Black Avatar and by implication FA (Black Avatar was part of FA by that time and was the station owner in Querious)... Black Avatar had two FC's in the QDF chain of command.... QDF would have never sided with UFS in that campaign for a single reason... It would have torn us apart..... Indeed they were good times... full of intrigue and drama.. As far as I was led to beleive, and I think we will all agree that things happened very fast; QDF had promised to stay out of the whole drama, and just stay in Querious, leaving Delve and PB to CFS/DSMA/StA. The reasoning to me was clear, QDF would use the breathing space that the attack by UFS on FA gave them to consolidate their position. It was no secret at the time that BA, and in the main QDF were supporters of the FA regime. I don't blame you guys for grasping the opportunity, but the only thing that rankled me was your promise to stay neutral and out of the whole event was broken by the blockade on A2-V27 and the next six or seven systems before Delve proper began. Wether this was officially sanctioned, or just rogue pilots, I don't know. I think it would be fair to say that if we had unmolested access to A2-V27, then we would have definately lasted a lot longer than we did, and perhaps FA would have tired before we did. Who knows? Rovers Chronicles
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 20:41:00 - [83] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/07/2006 19:44:13 Originally by: Rover Vitesse The following is the official account from the Crisis Corp Diary, written by Haldane Iv: Quote: ...... they joined forces with DSMA and QDF to do this under the ôUnited Free Spaceö (UFS) banner and hostilities ... ..... Efforts to defend Period Basis were then hampered when QDF split from UFS command with the objective of claiming and defending the Querius region for themselves. Read my chronicles for more fictionalised accounts of the history... .. thats not a bad account of events pertaining to the CFS/UFS wars as far as the FIX side of the story is concerned.. except for a slight detail.. QDF was never part of UFS/CFS and QDF never once fired on FA forces. In effect the creation of QDF was authorised by Black Avatar and by implication FA (Black Avatar was part of FA by that time and was the station owner in Querious)... Black Avatar had two FC's in the QDF chain of command.... QDF would have never sided with UFS in that campaign for a single reason... It would have torn us apart..... Indeed they were good times... full of intrigue and drama.. Authorized? It was backed by several corporations in order to make it happen, but I never heard anyone ever seeking out any sort of authorization. Convincing, cajoling and harrassing... perhaps a bit . No extra approval was needed until the birth of FIX, and passing the stations off to FIX hands by the station owners. FA did try to stick their foot in the door with the birth of FIX, but that door got closed pretty fast. PS. Quote: QDF was never part of UFS/CFS <-rather large detail. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 20:43:00 - [84] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: Nez Perces .. thats not a bad account of events pertaining to the CFS/UFS wars as far as the FIX side of the story is concerned.. except for a slight detail.. QDF was never part of UFS/CFS and QDF never once fired on FA forces. In effect the creation of QDF was authorised by Black Avatar and by implication FA (Black Avatar was part of FA by that time and was the station owner in Querious)... Black Avatar had two FC's in the QDF chain of command.... QDF would have never sided with UFS in that campaign for a single reason... It would have torn us apart..... Indeed they were good times... full of intrigue and drama.. As far as I was led to beleive, and I think we will all agree that things happened very fast; QDF had promised to stay out of the whole drama, and just stay in Querious, leaving Delve and PB to CFS/DSMA/StA. The reasoning to me was clear, QDF would use the breathing space that the attack by UFS on FA gave them to consolidate their position. It was no secret at the time that BA, and in the main QDF were supporters of the FA regime. I don't blame you guys for grasping the opportunity, but the only thing that rankled me was your promise to stay neutral and out of the whole event was broken by the blockade on A2-V27 and the next six or seven systems before Delve proper began. Wether this was officially sanctioned, or just rogue pilots, I don't know. I think it would be fair to say that if we had unmolested access to A2-V27, then we would have definately lasted a lot longer than we did, and perhaps FA would have tired before we did. Who knows? That could possibly be related to a certain corp from UFS coming and taking H74, I believe? Oh, and lest I forget, possibly also related to CFS internal forums wherein an attack against those of us who resided in Q was being affirmed and planned? Thereafter, it was on like Donkey Kong, so to speak.
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:01:00 - [85] Edited by: Randay on 28/07/2006 21:06:21 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Randay Quote: QDF was never part of UFS/CFS Technically... I don't know if I remember exactly, but QDF was formed while CFS still had "formal" control over Q. Even if the name wasn't QDF, it was something else like CFSDF or some crap. It was the same people, name just changed at a point. I remember it was just before FIX formally formed, which would probably mean that it was still CFS territory. And I thought my memory was poor. The defense force you speak of was formed though CFS with CFS personnel. It was to become their military wing and Ben Wallace was one of it's commanders, I believe. That force was not related to the QDF, but it was that force that was pushing for war against us, forming the plans for invading Q and attempting to regain control of something CFS had not controlled since the stations were introduced there. It was all the same people, I know I remember that fact 100% for sure. We flew under CFS, no matter how much contempt we really had for them, then when the time was right we flew under our own flag, and that was that. edit: remembering more, there were two defense groups. CFS navy and the QDF pilots. CFSN did nothing but talk, QDF pilots were the ones who really did all the shooting. We were called CFSDF or some crap, then the CFSN guys got angry because we were doing thier job for them. We changed name to QDF because of it, shortly after CFS was evicted and FIX formed. Thats what I remember, am I wrong? ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:05:00 - [86] I should verify... QDF was told that the CFS never knew about the H74 attack. If I remember right, someone may have admitted otherwise later on to one of our diplomats in a conversation. Was definately good times. Lots of intrigue, lots of fights. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Randay Quote: QDF was never part of UFS/CFS Technically... I don't know if I remember exactly, but QDF was formed while CFS still had "formal" control over Q. Even if the name wasn't QDF, it was something else like CFSDF or some crap. It was the same people, name just changed at a point. I remember it was just before FIX formally formed, which would probably mean that it was still CFS territory. And I thought my memory was poor. The defense force you speak of was formed though CFS with CFS personnel. It was to become their military wing and Ben Wallace was one of it's commanders, I believe. That force was not related to the QDF, but it was that force that was pushing for war against us, forming the plans for invading Q and attempting to regain control of something CFS had not controlled since the stations were introduced there. It was all the same people, I know I remember that fact 100% for sure. We flew under CFS, no matter how much contempt we really had for them, then when the time was right we flew under our own flag, and that was that. Sorry, I still have to disagree. You think that myself, Nez, Droewa, Boldyn, Cougar One, Hicks, HeavyG, Sheppard, Madcap Magician, Levin, etc. flew under a CFS banner? No. No biggie. History does get fuzzy as we move down the road.
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:09:00 - [88] If I remember right, there was the short lived group 'CFSDF' that was a mixture of locals in JK-FIX, and some CFS guys. Ben Wallace and Pastor somebody led them, but I think that Droewa flew with them as well. The group pretty much split apart when Ben and Pastor started taking them in a direction many couldn't agree with.... for the life of me, I just can't remember what the heck that direction was. Also don't quote me on this, but CFSDF was a bit before the QDF officially formed. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Sorry, I still have to disagree. You think that myself, Nez, Droewa, Boldyn, Cougar One, Hicks, HeavyG, Sheppard, Madcap Magician, Levin, etc. flew under a CFS banner? No. No biggie. History does get fuzzy as we move down the road. Nez and Boldy will know exactly what I am talking about :). But its only a technicality, I just have nothing better to do at work :P ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
James McGowen Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:12:00 - [90] From what I remember of the HZF station deal, DSMA were asked to help attack it by CFS, lol. I could be wrong tho, you'd have to ask DJ from black lance. I was under the impression that some krom guy said to dj "hey lets shoot this thing" and dj was like "sure". Krom were in cfs at that time, werent they? Or has my memory just gone to pot?

Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:16:00 - [91] Originally by: James McGowen From what I remember of the HZF station deal, DSMA were asked to help attack it by CFS, lol. I could be wrong tho, you'd have to ask DJ from black lance. I was under the impression that some krom guy said to dj "hey lets shoot this thing" and dj was like "sure". Krom were in cfs at that time, werent they? Or has my memory just gone to pot? Yes, Krom were in CFS for a short period of time. Your memory is correct.
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:18:00 - [92] dude there was a website :) listing pilots groupings it had like a little dragon logo or something. lol. yes it all happened in a very short time span. QDF wasn't officially formed yet, might be where I am fuzzing the lines. Anyway don't bother arguing with me, I'm just bringing up old crap of no real significance. Reminicsing, I am. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:21:00 - [93] Originally by: Randay Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Sorry, I still have to disagree. You think that myself, Nez, Droewa, Boldyn, Cougar One, Hicks, HeavyG, Sheppard, Madcap Magician, Levin, etc. flew under a CFS banner? No. No biggie. History does get fuzzy as we move down the road. Nez and Boldy will know exactly what I am talking about :). But its only a technicality, I just have nothing better to do at work :P I must have been stoned during that period of time. I do remember Pastor and Ben etc. and the defense force. I also remember some joint efforts in the pipe area. And yes, I think Avernus is correct concerning some of them flying together a few times, some of ours and some of theirs. He is also correct that QDF came into effect shortly thereafter when there were differences that developed, but the CFS Defense Force, if I recall correctly, was as I stated above, and that was after the split Avernus references. As for CFS exercising control over Q during this time, other than in name only, well, if they did we could not tell it.
Randay Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:23:00 - [94] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=289079&page=1#12 There ya go. Post #12. and zOMFG LIQUIDCOOL, hahaha what an asshat. I wonder if hes still in game, Ill have to go wardec him for oldtimes sake. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Grey Hunter Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:24:00 - [95] This brings back memories... the days when a war was decided by who fought, rather than who has the people who can set up POS's when everyone else is asleep. DSMA's gurilla war was somethign I've only ever experianced once. there were enough FA and FA puppets around to mean that the numbers were about even, but neither side could hold both the main stations at the same time for long. whenever we seemed to be getting the upper hand, a large FA fleet would arrive and send us running to our safespots until they left. I'm not going to try and glamourise it - after the first fleet battle where we took heavy losses we avoided the large fleets. the A2 pipe was dangerous enough in "peace" but during the war it was edge of your seat all the way down. i've just looked at what we left in TPAR station, after we were given 48 hours free travel to get out stuff out of the area. and i've seen the blackbird i piloted for most of the three months is still there. I'll reclaim it one day..... ____________________________________________________
Rover Vitesse Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:31:00 - [96] Originally by: James McGowen From what I remember of the HZF station deal, DSMA were asked to help attack it by CFS, lol. I could be wrong tho, you'd have to ask DJ from black lance. I was under the impression that some krom guy said to dj "hey lets shoot this thing" and dj was like "sure". Krom were in cfs at that time, werent they? Or has my memory just gone to pot? It never went through DSMA leadership, we were fighting around TPAR at the time, and suddenly we were getting convos from QDF guys about why we were attacking HZF... I think that this was one of the watershed points for the whole DSMA ledaership. We were like "WTF?", because we were trying to get a deal to allow us through A2-V27 at the time. Maybe this is a prime example of how a tactical judgement on the field of battle can screw up your whole strategy. I never mentioned; it was exciting times, it was one of the last great wars before the whole POS/Sovereignty thing changed the face of alliance warfare in Eve. There are a few entities in the modern Eve who simply would not survive if the rules were the same now as they were then. My most endearing memory? The week before it all kicked off, we had a CFS/DSMA/FA gang running CA down the pipe and back to Agil, almost 600 pilots chasing a gang of 100. One week later, firing on the same people we were helping the week before. I also have memories of a great safespot buster from BIG (this was before scanning probes were released), and sitting at a safespot for more than ten minutes usually meant you were going to be found and killed :D. I think we all learned a lot from Period Basis. Rovers Chronicles
Coug Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:39:00 - [97] Common Nebba, calling Angel trash for that comment? Much worse and much more inacurate has been spoken. Yes, VC was created due to RUBRA and DMGI enjoying fighting guerilla style down in Period Basis against SHINRA/M3GA. No, we didn't have any large battles (5 a side was probably the max - I seem to recall a certain Mega pilot, but I can't remember his name atm). Yes SHINRA pulled out of the region shortly after we turned our full attention to the region. No, it had nothing to do with us (as history has shown SHINRA was pulling out to create the .5. elsewhere in the galaxy). Vertigo Coalition was born in Period Basis in Winter '05. When BoB turned their attention to removing us from the area, we quickly signed a NAP and got our stuff out as we didn't have the manpower to defend against the Evil Eye of Molle (Spring '05 at the latest). We had some good fights against SA in the region before that (SMASH was in the area on our side as well, but they focused on Paragon Soul mainly). It was interesting to return to Period Basis in the last few months, that's for sure ----------------- ~C~
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:47:00 - [98] Originally by: Rover Vitesse I also have memories of a great safespot buster from BIG (this was before scanning probes were released), and sitting at a safespot for more than ten minutes usually meant you were going to be found and killed :D. Thats Frantik Makes me proud you guys still recall his skills ("young" ppl need to understand that this was before scan probes) Only guy I know who single handedely could make entire fleets move - Simply by popping up in local. His safe spot busting skills were/are legendary BIG Lottery [u
Rover Vitesse Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:21:00 - [99] Originally by: TornSoul Thats Frantik Thats the chap. Truly legendary. Looking at the people who have posted in this thread, and seeing where they are now, and what they are doing, it pleases me that I was part of that small slice of Eve history. Rovers Chronicles
PSEWAR Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:52:00 - [100] I used to be a senator and Diplomat in the Star Alliance (StA) while it was in Control over Delve. The beginning of our Alliance was in Khanid, we lived there for a while and had good relations to the CFS. Then we heard that the Conquerable Stations in Delve were claimed by some CA Corps which were invading Delve. So we gathered a fleet and went to Delve helping CFS and friends, throwing the invading force out again. At that time we did not had much knowledge about all the very confusing deals between CFS and FA at that time. So we were a bit disappointed that CFS told us we can get Control over Delve and keep the Stations but shortly after FA came to take the Station back from us. As this was our first real excursion into 0.0 Space we accepted the fact that there seemed to be some misinformation about who owns what, etc. and began to live in Delve. As it got already mentioned in here the CFS was not an Alliance, more a coallition of Corps (as the name implies CFS = Coalltion of Free Stars ;) ), so they had not really to power to defend their territory so we began to help defending the Space more and more (I still remember the day long camp's in A2-V27 :)). After the next CA Invasion took place where they came in and conquered the Stations again, we also fought them and threw em out again while conquering back the stations. Shortly after that one FA came down with a cruiser to get back the Station for em, so we had to shoot down the shield of "our" Station that he could make the last shoot to get it back. Then the UFS got formed and discussed a "great" plan to fully get in control again over the CFS regions. So Conrad which was CFS leader back then (while he and his Corp were in SA?), stated that he will post an offical Thread in the E-o Boards that the deal between FA and CFS are void as FA did not fulfill their part of the Agreement and thus the conquerable Stations goes back to the CFS. But about an hour before Conrad was ment to Post CFS & DSMA began to shoot at the Stations and initiated the war between FA and the UFS. As the FA already knew about this plan they were prepared for it and as such came with a powerfull force to destroy the resistance. As far as I remember we were doing a good job as meatshield between FA and CFS/DSMA as the FA Troops had to go through our region. But after to many pilots got podded back to empire we ran out troops in Delve as the QDF did a very awsome job blocking the Route down to us, so that it was impossible to get much reinforcements. We then went to Guerilla warfare and were even succesfull doing it, but we saw the we had not much chance in the long run and finally disbanded after some weeks. I hope that helps to keep track over the history of Delve while the Star Alliance was the inhabitant. With best regards, PSEWAR

xenodia Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 23:46:00 - [101] Originally by: Princess Kuki I was looking at the old territorial maps and noticed devle and period basis were held by bob in all of them, and i cant remember any1 else who used to live in those regions. So... who controlled them before bob came in? is there a history of these regions anywhere? Hope som1 can answer :) Thanks This may not be exactly dead on since im going from memory, but here goes. The first "alliance" to claim that space was the CFS alliance (which was actually way before in-game alliance mechanisms existed). CFS claimed Delve, Period Basis, and JK-FIX (which is now known as Querious). Many of the corps that founded the "fix" alliance were in fact long time CFS members. CFS more or less (some would say less) held the space for the first year or so of EVE. There were repeated border skirmishes between CFS and the old Curse Alliance, and also some with Fountain Alliance, plus frequent encounters with MoO. When the jump gates were added that allowed FA access to the area, FA invaded. This caused a split in the CFS, as the more military minded leaders of the CFS at that time (Percy Loudbottom and Gravedancer) didnt get the full backing of the CFS senate for a war with Fountain. First the politicians practically demanded that CFS leadership negotiate some sort of peace agreement with the FA, and then once it was done they turned around and piled on the poor bastards for negotiating it. At that time, Black Avatar and several other corps that actually had some pvp backbone left the CFS alliance and formed their own coalition, taking the conquerable stations in JK-Fix region that had just been put in with the previous patch. This coalition would eventually form the foundation of what is today known as the Firmus Ixion alliance (or "Fix" for short, which I believe to be a play on the old region name). The "fix" corps leaving the CFS was the death knell for the alliance, and since then the space has been controlled by a variety of alliances at one time or another.. Fix, FA, ASCN, and a few others I cant remember that used to settle down in period basis. Hope that helps... TNT Killboard
xenodia Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 23:49:00 - [102] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. I have felt this as well, was thinking of the CFS days just recently I think of the CFS days every time I see some political clusterf**k that makes me consider quitting the game again.... Then I go back to just being happy and blowing stuff up without the politics. TNT Killboard
xenodia Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 23:56:00 - [103] Originally by: Nez Perces Truth is FIX killed CFS to all intents and purposes... they would have lasted a whole lot longer if we hadn't been there.... primarily cause SA would have intervened, in CFS's favour. Youre partly right. The "Fix" corps killed CFS, but they did it a long time before that, and without firing a shot.. when they basically turned their backs (some would stay backstabbed) their CFS alliance mates, pulled out of the alliance, and decided they would assume control of the conquerable stations in JK-Fix. Granted, there were legitimate gripes on the part of Madcap Magician, Yodaron, et all, but pulling out of the CFS didnt do anyone any good long term. TNT Killboard
xenodia Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 00:06:00 - [104] Originally by: TheHerbster Pre Bob, I was in Rough-Necks which joined the CFS. At first it all went well down in Querious and Delve and we mined and PvP'd the pirates that would come down there. The problem with CFS was that many of the corps seemed more interested in mining and not protecting the region. When the Conquerable stations became available, CFS got together a tasty little fleet but refused to take them. Some rubbish about politics etc. We saw it an not having any <3 My opinion is that this was the begining of the end for CFS as there seemed very few member corps willing to fight for the space. We had a couple of fights with m0o. We got pwned, but we tried.(Don't get me wrong, a few other CFS corps fought aswell, but nowhere near enough of them had the <3). Eventually, we got completely fed up with the CFS leadership and left. We became pirates and shortly afet m0o asked us to join them. To me, CFS was a brilliant idea, but it just didn't have the infrastructure, right corps, and leadership to succeed. It was a long time ago, so my memory of the whole debacle may not be correct. But this was how I saw the situation, then and now. The problem with the CFS was always the leadership structure, not necessarily the few people at the top. The CFS had an elected president and vice president, but behind them was the senate, composed of members of each member corp. Basically, the president and vice president had little authority to do anything major without pushing a law through the senate first. Hence the problems when the conquerable stations came into the game and FA came calling. The "leadership" (meaning the president, vice president, and the military commanders) wanted to fight FA. The Senate, however, mostly didnt have the spine for it, and instead forced the "leadership" into negotiating a treaty with FA, which basically gave FA the stations, on the condition that CFS policies and laws would be enforced in the space, and CFS corps would maintain docking rights. It was at this point that the Roughnecks and a couple other pvp minded corps pulled out of the CFS. Also, the CFS senior commanders left not long afterwards, probably bent about taking all the flak for a decision they didnt even agree with. TNT Killboard
xenodia Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 00:08:00 - [105] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Randay Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Randay Quote: QDF was never part of UFS/CFS Technically... I don't know if I remember exactly, but QDF was formed while CFS still had "formal" control over Q. Even if the name wasn't QDF, it was something else like CFSDF or some crap. It was the same people, name just changed at a point. I remember it was just before FIX formally formed, which would probably mean that it was still CFS territory. And I thought my memory was poor. The defense force you speak of was formed though CFS with CFS personnel. It was to become their military wing and Ben Wallace was one of it's commanders, I believe. That force was not related to the QDF, but it was that force that was pushing for war against us, forming the plans for invading Q and attempting to regain control of something CFS had not controlled since the stations were introduced there. It was all the same people, I know I remember that fact 100% for sure. We flew under CFS, no matter how much contempt we really had for them, then when the time was right we flew under our own flag, and that was that. Sorry, I still have to disagree. You think that myself, Nez, Droewa, Boldyn, Cougar One, Hicks, HeavyG, Sheppard, Madcap Magician, Levin, etc. flew under a CFS banner? No. No biggie. History does get fuzzy as we move down the road. Um.. Yoda you were president of the CFS at one point, and still heavily involved in it even after you "retired". And Madcap was the leader of the CFS Navy at one point. So yes, you all flew under the CFS banner, but it was when you were in the CFS (before you pulled out and formed the QDF) TNT Killboard
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.29 00:19:00 - [106] Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Rover Vitesse I also have memories of a great safespot buster from BIG (this was before scanning probes were released), and sitting at a safespot for more than ten minutes usually meant you were going to be found and killed :D. Thats Frantik Makes me proud you guys still recall his skills ("young" ppl need to understand that this was before scan probes) Only guy I know who single handedely could make entire fleets move - Simply by popping up in local. His safe spot busting skills were/are legendary I remember finding your safe (when probes were released) while I was in shinra and in PB, one or two jumps out of TPAR. You had been afk for a few hours... when I was setting up on you, you came back and warped off
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 00:31:00 - [107] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/07/2006 00:31:19 ... I do believe there is some confusion over timelines here.. .. Yes there was an entity called CFS defence force where Boldyn was an FC and Pastor Wallace was the man in charge..... however this was short lived and came to an abrubt end when it became obvious that CFS defence force was intent on gaining political power to eventually overthrow Black Avatar and any other entity associated with FA..... (Boldyn resigned on account of the ulterior motives Pastor Wallace had...) ... however this is not to be confused with the Querious Defence Force ..... the Querious Defence Force was a blueprint to enable the inhabitants of Querious (independent of any other entity) to group together and fend off attacks from a variety of groups.. ranging from Mo0 to CA to pirates such as Burn Eden. Whilst initially concieved as a non-political entity (primarily to avoid the torn loyalties existant in Querious, primarily towards Black Avatar), after the CFS wars it became obvious that QDF had evolved into a regional power...... this is when the inhabitants of Querious put their foot down and declared their intentions to govern themselves.. no matter what. I just got back from the pub and I'm drunk....have a nice evening...
Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 01:44:00 - [108] /Me points to the ops thread title and wonder why talk seems to gravitate to what happened in Q space. Lets get back to what happened in Delve and PB. Oh and you think I'm bad Nez check out Xenodia that made 5 posts back to back... hehehe
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 01:56:00 - [109] Xenodia, I tend to agree with your feelings from that time period. Those CFS corps that did end up leaving and moving into JK-FIX were generally involved in leadership at various points in CFS history. A lot of people held it against us that we had left the CFS... but there honestly is only so much of the Senate that any sane person can handle. Yoda ofc, is in BA; Percy was in IT, he actually ended up quitting Eve just after we left the CFS when his term in office ended. The experience had drained all the fun out of the game for him. CFS was a great idea, a wonderful dream, but as you say, the structure wasn't there. It really was inevitable that the CFS wouldn't amount to anything over time; the more you were involved in the politics, the clearer the future. With so few CFS corps interested in actually moving into CFS space, it was time to move on. When we arrived in JK-FIX, we were absolutely sick of alliances, we wanted nothing to do with them again. All the corporations down there were fiercely independant, but at the same time, they were ten times as willing to work together and build a region and a community worth settling down in. ...I wonder if Gravedancer is still around? Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 01:58:00 - [110] Originally by: Doppleganger /Me points to the ops thread title and wonder why talk seems to gravitate to what happened in Q space. Lets get back to what happened in Delve and PB. Oh and you think I'm bad Nez check out Xenodia that made 5 posts back to back... hehehe Good point. At a guess, it's because many of the original residents are still here after all this time. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.

Doppleganger Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 02:04:00 - [111] Now if someone can get the op to ammend this topic as : Devle/PB/Querious pre BOB? or start a new topic : Devle/PB/Querious pre BOB? I'm game
StiZum Hilidii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.29 02:08:00 - [112] Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Rover Vitesse I also have memories of a great safespot buster from BIG (this was before scanning probes were released), and sitting at a safespot for more than ten minutes usually meant you were going to be found and killed :D. Thats Frantik Makes me proud you guys still recall his skills ("young" ppl need to understand that this was before scan probes) Only guy I know who single handedely could make entire fleets move - Simply by popping up in local. His safe spot busting skills were/are legendary frantik was the best scout you could ever have on an op.most amazing scanner. i have a couple of memories of delve. back in the day when the conquerable stations first came in i was a fleet commander of FA in the corporation Xanadu. we had made plans to be online right after dt to get in on the station free for all. well that was the plan. i slept in Anyways the fleet goes on anyways and makes it's way to 5-6 which has already been claimed by some corp ( geko or something) we ended up fighting over it for a day or two but in the end it was ours. i think that day gave tornsoul and sastul one of thier most interesting political experiences in the game. i just shot stuff :). and that was about it, some m0o killings/ mining :P remember m0o working with tyrell mining in PB. and thats about it. lo tornsoul FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
ItakeItDeep	Posted - 2006.07.29 05:16:00 - [113] Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Rover Vitesse I also have memories of a great safespot buster from BIG (this was before scanning probes were released), and sitting at a safespot for more than ten minutes usually meant you were going to be found and killed :D. Thats Frantik Makes me proud you guys still recall his skills ("young" ppl need to understand that this was before scan probes) Only guy I know who single handedely could make entire fleets move - Simply by popping up in local. His safe spot busting skills were/are legendary frantik was scary
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.07.29 05:18:00 - [114] doh
Araviel Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 09:19:00 - [115] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, Not sure what you thought your role was Araviel, but I can tell you that CFS had nothing to do with the creation of QDF. Honestly, QDF was begun as a result of conversations had between me, Nez Perces and Droewa. That started the ball rolling and it was not CFS that was involved in that aspect. Before QDF, I am sure what every veteran of JK-FIX (Querious) of those days will say is that BA, IT, JAKD, Ominous Corp., J.E.H.N.R., and many other corporations, including ADGA, OA, and some I now forget due to time, worked together to police the area with little assistance from anyone else. We controlled Q, not CFS. Very simple. Did we have good relations with CFS? Yes. Did CFS, except on only 1 or 2 occasions that I can recall, ever come and help defend the region? No, although I believe your corp and may 1 or 2 others assisted occasionally in regional defense. CFS stayed in A2, primarly. If you would like to delve into the history of Q a bit further, I will be happy to expound. As a past Intelligence Director, Senator and President of CFS, I can still remember much of what occurred in those days. I am sorry if I made it sound like CFS was behind the creation of QDF, no you guys got it all started, but CFS was supportive and I worked hard to lobby for it whitin CFS. I remember this clearly because CFS decision to eventually turn on QDF was the reason I left the alliance. its nice to know you appreciated my support.
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.07.29 10:59:00 - [116] So back in the day you had to find safespots by warping back and forth repeatedly making new ss midwarp?
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:48:00 - [117] Ahh, the good old days. The time of roughly late March 2004 to August 2004 was my best time in EVE - and I spent it in Period Basis. For about three Months PB was the prefect place in 0.0, and even EVE. Locals were helping each other, giving free help and assistance, banding together when the occasional C4/Curse pirates entered the region. Back then the game had a true great feeling, like you and those bunch of guys you hang out and have fun with were the only people in game. My corp enjoyed excellent relations with the locals, and also with Setenta, who back then controlled Paragon Soul. Together with HUN Corp. ZiTek and Crisis Corp. and a few others my corp had a really great time. Then things detoriated. New corps moved in hearing of a place in 0.0 that had free access, but not bringing with them proper manners and attitude. They were rude and thought it was their "right" to be there and expected everything given out to them. Then rifts appeard in the fragile DSMA/FA/CFS structure, resulting in a near war between CFS and DSMA. After that crisis the golden Age of PB was gone for sure. Curse moved in more often, and FA got more paranoid, misjudging the situation completely. In the end the CFS and DSMA (and Star Alliance, who got more or less accidentally drawn into the conflict) banded together to claim Dvelve/PB, because they wanted to be in control of their region, and not be only puppets of FA. Though in the end it wasn't only FIX or FA that bested them, but their own inner conflicts and disorganization. After a week fighting (and 2 huge fleet battles in TPAR) PB as a more or less free region was gone. After the war FA was asking too much of PBL when they put them in charge of the region. They were not fit, and there were a lot of incidents with locals, also with Stain. The PBL didn't last long though. After a short time they got more or less obliterated by Shinra/M3G4, who held the stations for several months. While FA was crumbling under attack from outside and most importanly problems from inside and Shinra leaving the region, PB was a chaotic place. Though not for long, because BoB moved in and took PB. It is under their control since about a year now (iirc).
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:58:00 - [118] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/07/2006 12:01:01 Originally by: Doppleganger /Me points to the ops thread title and wonder why talk seems to gravitate to what happened in Q space. Lets get back to what happened in Delve and PB. Its very simple doppleganger and Ive explained it a couple of times now... you can't talk about Delve/PB after a certain period without talking about what happened in Querious, its impossible and pointless. The CFS war was fought between FA + QDF <> CFS, so you have to talk about Querious there, then afterwards delve and PB were wastezones. When you have two strong entities (FIX and FA) on either side of two regions (PB and Delve) that were to all intents and purposes wastezones/political footballs, anything that the two stronger entities get up to has an effect on those regions. Querious, Delve and PB were a trio... they were inextricably linked geographically and politically anything that happened around Querious had a direct impact on the residents further south as the inhabitants of Querious were the gatekeepers to the A2- pipe. You must remember also that in those days that was the only connection to empire the three regions had. The other two entries were via SA and FA. I mean think about it SA on one side, FA on the other and FIX controlling the gateway. Delve/PB after the CFS wars became political timebombs.....
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:08:00 - [119] Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/07/2006 12:08:33 Originally by: Araviel I am sorry if I made it sound like CFS was behind the creation of QDF, no you guys got it all started, but CFS was supportive and I worked hard to lobby for it whitin CFS. I remember this clearly because CFS decision to eventually turn on QDF was the reason I left the alliance. its nice to know you appreciated my support. I do remember Araviel being one of the voices within CFS that thought QDF was a great idea and throughout our development Araviel was always very supportive. I also remember the joint operations between SA/FIX/FA/Xetic to organise military campaigns against CA. That was the first attempt at a united South that I can remember.. .. what I cant remember is the name of the effort.. It was brilliantly organised and I know Araviel sunk a lot of time into it. Random titbit : Araviel.. sounded very similar to Avariel :).. CEO of BlackAvatar when the CFS wars broke out.
dabster Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:07:00 - [120] Originally by: welsh wizard So back in the day you had to find safespots by warping back and forth repeatedly making new ss midwarp? Yea exactly, great fun huh Frantik was soooooooo well known it was scary, he made entire fleet log off by entering local ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.

Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Araviel Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 27/07/2006 20:21:47 Had to laugh at the April 2004 map. CFS controlled nothing in Querious, previously known as JK-FIX, at that time. BA, IT, Ominous Corp., JAKD, J.E.H.N.R. and others did. Even maps can be wrong. i was still CFS commander over querious at that period, but yes there was no real CFS forces in the region, i got tasked to help the locals to form a local millitia wich formed querious defence force, later to become fix, but queious was still under CFS administration, (altho not very enforced) so your partly right yoda, Not sure what you thought your role was Araviel, but I can tell you that CFS had nothing to do with the creation of QDF. Honestly, QDF was begun as a result of conversations had between me, Nez Perces and Droewa. That started the ball rolling and it was not CFS that was involved in that aspect. Before QDF, I am sure what every veteran of JK-FIX (Querious) of those days will say is that BA, IT, JAKD, Ominous Corp., J.E.H.N.R., and many other corporations, including ADGA, OA, and some I now forget due to time, worked together to police the area with little assistance from anyone else. We controlled Q, not CFS. Very simple. Did we have good relations with CFS? Yes. Did CFS, except on only 1 or 2 occasions that I can recall, ever come and help defend the region? No, although I believe your corp and may 1 or 2 others assisted occasionally in regional defense. CFS stayed in A2, primarly. If you would like to delve into the history of Q a bit further, I will be happy to expound. As a past Intelligence Director, Senator and President of CFS, I can still remember much of what occurred in those days. I am sorry if I made it sound like CFS was behind the creation of QDF, no you guys got it all started, but CFS was supportive and I worked hard to lobby for it whitin CFS. I remember this clearly because CFS decision to eventually turn on QDF was the reason I left the alliance. its nice to know you appreciated my support. I do remember you being supportive of us in Q. You helped fight, etc. even when most of CFS did not. I appreciated your contribution, but I was questioning your role since I had no idea you were lobbying CFS for us. For that I thank you as well.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:37:00 - [122] Originally by: xenodia Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Randay Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Randay Quote: QDF was never part of UFS/CFS Technically... I don't know if I remember exactly, but QDF was formed while CFS still had "formal" control over Q. Even if the name wasn't QDF, it was something else like CFSDF or some crap. It was the same people, name just changed at a point. I remember it was just before FIX formally formed, which would probably mean that it was still CFS territory. And I thought my memory was poor. The defense force you speak of was formed though CFS with CFS personnel. It was to become their military wing and Ben Wallace was one of it's commanders, I believe. That force was not related to the QDF, but it was that force that was pushing for war against us, forming the plans for invading Q and attempting to regain control of something CFS had not controlled since the stations were introduced there. It was all the same people, I know I remember that fact 100% for sure. We flew under CFS, no matter how much contempt we really had for them, then when the time was right we flew under our own flag, and that was that. Sorry, I still have to disagree. You think that myself, Nez, Droewa, Boldyn, Cougar One, Hicks, HeavyG, Sheppard, Madcap Magician, Levin, etc. flew under a CFS banner? No. No biggie. History does get fuzzy as we move down the road. Um.. Yoda you were president of the CFS at one point, and still heavily involved in it even after you "retired". And Madcap was the leader of the CFS Navy at one point. So yes, you all flew under the CFS banner, but it was when you were in the CFS (before you pulled out and formed the QDF) Yes, xenodia, that is true. I was responding specifically to the CFSDF statement, not my prior involvement in CFS, which was both sweet and sour. Reading your various posts I have to say I am very glad you posted. Your knowledge has helped me to remember many things I have forgotten or otherwise did not know. Convo me sometime and I will tell you why BA, one of the creators of CFS, left when it did and why we brought some of the others with us. I look forward to hearing from you.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:45:00 - [123] Originally by: Randay dude there was a website :) listing pilots groupings it had like a little dragon logo or something. lol. yes it all happened in a very short time span. QDF wasn't officially formed yet, might be where I am fuzzing the lines. Anyway don't bother arguing with me, I'm just bringing up old crap of no real significance. Reminicsing, I am. As am I. Oh, and please remember, I left the game within like 30-60 days after my initial coversations with Nez and Droewa about the possible formation of the QDF. So, if something occurred within the time frame from my convos with them until about 3 months ago, your in-game knowledge would trump mine. I am just pointing out that during my time in the game at that time we had much diplomatic involvement with CFS (Avariel, myself, Avernus and others were constantly dealing with these relations and others), we were at the point of moving forward with the idea that became the QDF, and our military involvement with CFS was of a cooperative nature, i.e., we joined their gangs, they joined ours. The later fight in A-2 was after my time, as was the creation of the UFS, etc.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:04:00 - [124] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 29/07/2006 14:06:33 Originally by: Randay http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=289079&page=1#12 There ya go. Post #12. and zOMFG LIQUIDCOOL, hahaha what an asshat. I wonder if hes still in game, Ill have to go wardec him for oldtimes sake. Have to say that I disagree with him on much of what he said, although I do understand and appreciate his perspective. If I were on the other side of the coin, I may well have thought the same thing. Funny part is, though, myself, Avariel and others regularly were in contact with Conrad (heck, I talked to him on msn regularly) and tried to help him reorganize CFS (structurally that is) in an effort to guarantee it's survival. We desired the buffer that afforded us and the few corps in Q that were day in and day out defending and living in the area. Conrad knew we (i.e, corps living in Q) were going to claim sovereingty at some point. We told him this. It was no secret. It was a matter of peaceful transition that would have been as opposed to the violent one forced upon by the poor decisionmaking of lower level CFS politicians that hamstrung the leadership. Had the CFS succeeded in resolving it's political issues (primarily, their top leaders could do nothing without the slothly and cumbersome senate, proof the U.S. governing model is inefficient when applied to mmorpgs of this type), it would have retained Period Basis, which is honestly about all the alliance was capable of handling in the first place. Having later been a voting representative in FA, I can pretty much guarantee you that FA was not originally interested in conflict with CFS. CFS provided an excellent buffer. Think about it. If FA could control Delve, it's backdoor was effectively closed. CFS and SA had been friends for a long period of time, and with CFS napped with FA as well, CFS would have flourished. With what became FIX in control of Q, and our relationship with SA was also very good. Trigger and I regularly spoke, as did others, and that relationship did not change when BA joined FA. In the end, as Avernus so correctly noted, we would have had a united south, one that would have been a very tough nut to c.r.a.c.k. Edit: Dang language filters
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:27:00 - [125] I forgot to add, and do it know: I think this may have been one of the more refreshing threads I have had the pleasure of seeing in a good bit in this forum area. All remembrances are greatly appreciated and a great source of knowledge for those who are unfamiliar with history in the south. Some may say, "Who cares." Some will care very deeply. However, to understand why many of the relationships in this game exist the way they do, you must have at least basic knowledge of the history, both alliance wize and politically; otherwise, you are doomed to fail in the south.
Edison Frisk Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:01:00 - [126] What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. Anyways I was in Macrosoft one of the last remaining CFS corps - had very good times in Period Basis especially as it was my first home in 0.0. I remember being in my first true fleet fight, pwning FA on the first engagement a'la small bubbles. Then the next fight we got blattered - acquiring the help of Krom I recall our Fleet Commander at the time was Rift Scorn (lo rift!) so its really all his fault CFS crumbled!! After that pilots lost heart and buggered off. Oh also didnt STA get shafted by someone selling their safespots to FA? reading earlier posts that may have been frantik's super safe spot busting and was an merely an STA excuse. After all is said and done - CFS wanted control of the stations in their space and felt that FA were making a mint in refining tax at the TPAR station. I know that the station wasn't as lucrative as was percieved. And in additon it only had 2.5% tax?!?! bargain imo, we never had it so good Happy times indeed, it was a nice place to start out in 0.0 shame TPAR and other regions are not as populated as they once were. From an economic point of view its a shame that one of the big alliances cant open up a region for the good of all to come and try the water so to speak and make a mint in the refine tax at the same time. Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!)
dabster Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:05:00 - [127] Originally by: Edison Frisk After that pilots lost heart and buggered off. Oh also didnt STA get shafted by someone selling their safespots to FA? reading earlier posts that may have been frantik's super safe spot busting and was an merely an STA excuse. I dont think any safes were sold for isk, but the corp who left STA and instantly joined FA handed a few over that i remember ^_^ ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Creed Richards Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:37:00 - [128] I was very new in JAKD when all this came loose. It started when we got a corp mail from our then director Boldyn that we were expecting a war with CFS, that they were going to attack the stations. I was pretty upset to hear that. I was very fond of the CFS, they gave me a venue into 0.0 space and through their charter I was able to join JAKD. I ranted a "why don't we all just get along" argument with boldyn. Heh, I probably still have that chatlog. But, ultimately I obeyed. I was on the voice chat where the vote was made to blokcade 7gcd, and as they say, the rest is history. I took part in the initial blockade of 7gcd and in the final battle with a massed CFS fleet (I flew a Rupture, named "Sic Semper Tyrannis" in that battle. It was her maiden voyage, and ironically she was meant to fight the Curse Alliance). It was a decisive victory. It was a regretful thing fighting the alliance I once sung such praises for, but I admit the thrill of victory and being part of a new alliance did much to ease that pain. I doubt this is totally relevant to the original post, I just wanted to post my experiences as a new player during that conflict. Rest in Peace CFS.
fuze Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:39:00 - [129] Being a grunt at the time I still remember CFS Navy people being actively recruited by their ennemies. (Actually made me go to SA to fight CA) As well when mo0 was claiming that nomad corp > stationairy ones and never would settle down. Funny that they are one of the best dug in alliances of the game right now. And even in ex-carebear space as well. We ain't got balls, but plenty of nuts.
G'ulSera Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 13:02:00 - [130] Memories, memories.... CFS/DSMA time was really great. Back then i still lmao @ some of the things that happened: Locking Tornsoul in the station for 2 days in southPB being prolly one of the funniest things As well as the fleet that didn't had a clue (wave-tactic anyone? ) And not to forget the deep-deep-deep sp in q5 (900 au or smthng) As for the downfall of CFS/DSMA.... it was just a battle of attrition. We killed 2 alliances that tried to take over from us, but in the end FA's arsenal of canonfodder alliances was too much. For Blood and Honour The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty

Haldane IV Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.30 13:58:00 - [131] Fascinating stuff. A couple of pages ago my Corp CEO Rover Vitesse posted the opening section of our Crisis Corp. History, of which I am the current editor. What he posted was a ôthumbnailö sketch in the way of a brief prologue I formulated to say how Crisis Corp came to be formed from the merger of 3 Corps, and what they were doing before then, before the start of our Corp history proper. As my Corp member James McGowan said, I was not in any of those 3 Corps and was not privy to any of the CFS war events myself (although I had started spending time in Period Basis ôby invitationö of Demian Sky of CFS Corp Macrosoft and was planning to move there when this was blew up) and pieced this together from various sources. SO I have seen what Nez Perces and Yoda said, and (unless corrected ) I am changing the passages in our history: from ôàThey joined forces with DSMA and QDF to do this under the ôUnited Free Spaceö (USF) banner and hostilities with FA commenced in Septemberö to . ôàThey joined forces with DSMA to do this under the ôUnited Free Spaceö (USF) banner and hostilities with FA commenced in Septemberö and changing ô... Efforts to defend Period Basis were then hampered when QDF split from UFS command with the objective of claiming and defending the Querius region for themselvesö. To ô... Efforts to defend Period Basis were then hampered when QDF began to take active steps to pursue the personal objective of claiming and defending the Querius region for themselvesö. (why that hampered efforts against FA is stated later in the section). Thanks for your indulgence. P.S James û ôI was never confusedö (Viva Al Murray !)
Edison Frisk Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:12:00 - [132] Originally by: Haldane IV (although I had started spending time in Period Basis ôby invitationö of Demian Sky of CFS Corp Macrosoft Demian Sky was a truly great bloke and my mentor, I am sure he had a few more fingers in different pies with his legion of accounts but alas Demian Sky the character is in the hands of another person which is a shame.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:26:00 - [133] Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/07/2006 15:30:42 HaldaveIV, its great that you have put together a piece describing the events leading up to and including the CFS wars. Kudos to you However.. I do believe that the true nature of QDF(which evolved into FIX) is being misrepresented. Querious was a bit of an oddball compared to PB and Delve. Querious had several very strong corporations that had lived there for a long time and bore no strong allegiances to CFS or FA. Corps such as Ascendancy, Black Avatar, Obsidian Asylumn, Imperium Technologies, JHENR (a more recent arrival), Dark Centuri, Band of Builders, etc.. all good strong corps. There was one glaring exception though .... Black Avatar. Black Avatar was a powerhouse, a corporation that was the dominant force in Querious, however, its dominance was political more than military. Black Avatar controlled the stations in Querious under the overall jurisdiction of CFS... it really was just a show... BA ran things with minimal CFS interfence. At one point BA (for reasons largely unknown... perhaps worried by increased friction between FA and CFS.. Yodaron or Avernus can give the exact reasons if they wish.. ) decided to join FA. The effect of this on Querious very large indeed. The other largest corp in Querious was Ascendancy.. between Black Avatar and Ascendancy they had timezones covered.. BA was largely US timezone and Ascendancy was largely Euro timezone. A perfect match right? Wrong.. the two corps hated eachother.... and hated eachother even more when BA joined FA. Many in Querious felt slightly betrayed. Now FA had a direct say in Querious affairs as the implicit owners of the stations. This is the powderkeg backdrop for the birth of QDF.... what really catalysed QDF wasn't anybody from FA or anybody from CFS... it was the likes of Burn Eden, CA, Mo0 etc.. treating Querious like a punching bag.. we were on the front line in the south... all the 'bad guys' hit us first. This is where JHENR steps in ... we were up and coming and relatively newish to the area.. and tbh had little time for the disputes between FA, CFS, Black Avatar and Ascendancy. The QDF was a blueprint to bring all of Querious together under a military chain of command with no political motivations.. simply to do what it said on the tin.... defend Querious. Unfortunately as it happened Ascendancy and Black Avatar never managed to work together and as Yodaron has said Ascendancy were driven out of the region or left of their own accord.. depends who you talk to. Either way the QDF got the green light from Black Avatar.. yes the green light.. it would have never been allowed to seed if Yodaron had not recognised a good thing when he saw one. Avernus and Droewa being very important supporters also. QDF went from strength to strength achieving victories against tough oponents.. russian gank squads/Burn Eden/the big CA corps.. and yes even Mo0. At the same time Black Avatar's star began to wane .. joining FA had dealt the Black Avatar an internal blow, pretty much splitting the corp. Some of them left for FA, some stuck around in Querious. QDF stepped into the power vacuum that BA was creating. QDF never liked CFS, it was anathema to what we were putting together.. where we were in pursuit of order and discipline, CFS was a model of chaos and disorganisation. QDF didn't like FA's modus operandi either (imperialistic interference) but due to Black Avatar's complicated political situation (Black Avatar was part of FA.. ) we had no choice but to back FA when the CFS war started. Tbh QDF felt it was doing the right thing by putting CFS out of its misery.... saying that QDF was part of UFS could be nothing further from the truth. IMO QDF was an island of sanity in a South tearing itself to pieces.... HaldaneIV, I hope this sheds some light on the true nature of QDF.
Haldane IV Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:20:00 - [134] Yep, got it. I have ammended the relevant bits in our Corp history so far as Crisis Corps' pre-curser Corps were affected. Thanks.
Loka Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.30 23:11:00 - [135] Well i witnessed alot of diplomatic bs which iam not proud of. I should have let speak my guns for me. I was capable to change things, which i didnt, because i tried to help the one who didnt want to fight. If i would have been more "drastic" things would have gone different probably. CFS died, because it did have only one commone intressed. Mining and NPCing without getting ganked. StA died, because it was to many information leaks. Safespot selling 4tl. I lost the hope in CFS when i was attacked by 14 Omega Corp frigates and 7 CFS BS refused to help me. "Its to dangerous, die as a man" 4tl. Araviel iam still in your dept for even trying to help me in your caracal :). That was the day i pushed my corp to leave CFS. StA, had to many heads, bitting each other. Decisions took to long. I should have taken things into my own hands, but i believed and still believe in democracy. Still it was a great time and i learned alot about politics. That i dont want to make any ^^. Guns are more easily to reload. Well let the past rest in peace. CFS stayed for Coaltion of Free Stars, but in real it was a Coalition of Fast Safespotter. "Freedome can only be achieved by force" Btw, iam back again. Cya in space... _________________________ Iam back
Edison Frisk Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 00:32:00 - [136] Originally by: Loka Well i witnessed alot of diplomatic bs which iam not proud of. I should have let speak my guns for me. I was capable to change things, which i didnt, because i tried to help the one who didnt want to fight. If i would have been more "drastic" things would have gone different probably. CFS died, because it did have only one commone intressed. Mining and NPCing without getting ganked. StA died, because it was to many information leaks. Safespot selling 4tl. I lost the hope in CFS when i was attacked by 14 Omega Corp frigates and 7 CFS BS refused to help me. "Its to dangerous, die as a man" 4tl. Araviel iam still in your dept for even trying to help me in your caracal :). That was the day i pushed my corp to leave CFS. StA, had to many heads, bitting each other. Decisions took to long. I should have taken things into my own hands, but i believed and still believe in democracy. Still it was a great time and i learned alot about politics. That i dont want to make any ^^. Guns are more easily to reload. Well let the past rest in peace. CFS stayed for Coaltion of Free Stars, but in real it was a Coalition of Fast Safespotter. "Freedome can only be achieved by force" Btw, iam back again. Cya in space... Welcome back Loka, you indeed were one of the good guys - good times ahead!
Raindrop LittleHauling Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.31 00:39:00 - [137] Edited by: Raindrop on 31/07/2006 00:41:54 Good times. Amazing thread. imo(after a lot of thinking): CFS setup couldn't work. Due to game circumstances, probably not properly understood back then. Cleaning out A2-V27 from CA safespotted ships everytime was always a cherished break from convo's and evemails. I'm still doing the same thing but then full time. Trading minerals. (in empire mainly) It was the perfect combo with the "jobs" in gouverment. Raindrop 100% Carebear and loving it. Collector of junk and leftovers. NPC and low end minerals trader. Hauler.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.31 01:09:00 - [138] MACE FTW The truth will set you free
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.31 01:47:00 - [139] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. Mmm, bitter. Loxy I can't believe you share the same corp as this trash (the 'Welcome to ATUK' vid rings a bell, no?). This "trash" .. jeez. That isnt even worth a retort. sig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
Jarra Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 04:08:00 - [140] 2004 and period....a nice time :) had some fun... :) was in DSMA with my former Corp Triax....the good old simple days eh :) -- Diplomacy is like saying "nice doggy" until u can find a bigger rock:)

BOldMan Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.31 07:02:00 - [141] Originally by: Edison Frisk I remember being in my first true fleet fight, pwning FA on the first engagement a'la small bubbles. Then the next fight we got blattered - acquiring the help of Krom I recall our Fleet Commander at the time was Rift Scorn (lo rift!) so its really all his fault CFS crumbled!! Indeed, I blame Rift for dead of first and last free space.
Rift Scorn Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 09:21:00 - [142] Edited by: Rift Scorn on 31/07/2006 09:23:34 Originally by: Edison Frisk I remember being in my first true fleet fight, pwning FA on the first engagement a'la small bubbles. Then the next fight we got blattered - acquiring the help of Krom I recall our Fleet Commander at the time was Rift Scorn (lo rift!) so its really all his fault CFS crumbled!! hehehe 'ello mate I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up I remember that quite well, and it was me commanding when FA got a blatting a'la small bubbles Frisky-bo-bo, and Elisium Dammar the next day when FA came in at range and won (he only lives 2 Miles down the road from me, so i give him 30 mins to read this then come over and punch me! ) What's great about that is now a good few people from both sides are in BoB, and although myself and Keaten (ya scotch pirate!)and a good few others were fighting our guts out with the likes of Bozse (S-44 at the time) & Siddy (Finfleet iirc), we've all have had a great laugh over it on TS. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 09:27:00 - [143] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Originally by: Angelhunter Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Fond memories of FA campaigns; especially the conquest in early 2005 with SNRA, ATUK, & BOB. The ATUK+SNRA bs-one-volleying fleets were prime. Must be the same conquest that lead to you guys and M3G4 getting chased down to PB by DMGI and RUBRA, and then chased out of the region. That then lead to VC (DMGI + RUBRA at that time) controlling PB for awhile, until BOB decided they didn't like us being there anymore. We had some fun down there, but 2 corps can only hold an area like that for so long. Mmm, bitter. Loxy I can't believe you share the same corp as this trash (the 'Welcome to ATUK' vid rings a bell, no?). This "trash" .. jeez. That isnt even worth a retort. I wasn't expecting a retort; he should've been a bit more respectable from the getgo and not so flametastic. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.31 10:27:00 - [144] I still got my eve-mails 2004.10.17 06:11 I represent the new alliance in Querious, [FIX]. K7D is a crossroads system. South of K7D will be claimed by [FIX]. The two constellations immediately to the east and west of K7D, as well as space north of K7D, will remain CFS space as we know it today. The area we are claiming is the area that we already use. We have no need for more space, nor is it our interest to claim areas that we don't use. Patrolling our own space is automatic, because the area that we are claiming is what we already make use of and are active in. 2004.10.17 06:12 Due to the agression around us we are temporarily closing our space, completely. CFS, DSMA, and StA have their own reasons for doing what they are doing atm. At this time until the current situation is resolved between them and the FA, the area of space described above is hereby closed to UFS members. Any member of these alliances found in our space will be fired upon, and movement into our space will be met with force. If we find a member of one of these alliances to be undocking from one of our stations, we will attempt to ROS them. Questions of intent on the part of our neighbours is rampant. What we are doing is absolutely nescessary at this time to secure our own interests. Accidents will happen, people will likely end up getting shot that shouldn't have been. You have my personal apologies for this, but that is a fact of the current tensions in the region and I'm pragmatic by nature. Don't expect reimbursement. Avernus JCoF QDF, [FIX] Council
dj lightning Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:03:00 - [145] I remember logging at ss for 2-3 months in a apoc. leading fleets killing everything was so much fun DSMA rocked :) Oh yeah i even got tornsouls kill mail when he undocked in tpar-g
Edison Frisk Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:16:00 - [146] Originally by: dj lightning I remember logging at ss for 2-3 months in a apoc. leading fleets killing everything was so much fun DSMA rocked :) Oh yeah i even got tornsouls kill mail when he undocked in tpar-g Was wondering when Black Lance were gonna be given a mention, hey DJ mate o/ Maybe all us ex-PB residents should go on a road trip together sometime, would be interesting
Hehulk 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.31 15:32:00 - [147] Edited by: Hehulk on 31/07/2006 15:32:54 Originally by: Rover Vitesse Katya Detia, who at the time was leader of the DSMA(still waiting for her to post here) You'll be waiting a while Rover. He (It was a He, I assure you, just very high pitched) left the game about 3 months ago when Bs.I decided to close it's doors as we'd all stoped having fun. And the story as I heard it was that FA decided it was DSMAs time to go, but there's too much people in here saying otherwise so I'll accept that as probably being more acurate. ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.31 17:45:00 - [148] Originally by: Edison Frisk Maybe all us ex-PB residents should go on a road trip together sometime, would be interesting Would that include me? I did live in the damn place (un-interupted) for more than 6 months + a bit more time here and there as well BIG Lottery [u
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.31 17:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Hehulk And the story as I heard it was that FA decided it was DSMAs time to go, but there's too much people in here saying otherwise so I'll accept that as probably being more acurate. I can imagine where you'd gotten that story from But let me assure you, FA had all the interest in the world of having a strong local presense of some/any kind in PB (and elsewhere). (pretty much the pattern a certain other alliance is following atm - But lets not turn this into a thread about them ok. Hence why I aint putting a name on it) BIG Lottery [u
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:14:00 - [150] Nez: Excellent post. You are almost 100% correct, but the small percentage that is not does not really matter in the scheme of things. Torn Soul: Folks, he speaks the truth about having others occupy and defend the area. Interesting how things ended up evolving that way under a a different banner. http://hunters-agency.com/yodaron.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])

Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:22:00 - [151] Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/07/2006 19:22:46 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Nez: Excellent post. You are almost 100% correct, but the small percentage that is not does not really matter in the scheme of things. heh, thanks, I'm a stickler for facts... I'd love to hear which items of what I wrote are slightly off-centre from your point of view ...
Garramon Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:15:00 - [152] Edited by: Garramon on 31/07/2006 20:15:38 Here is a link to some of the maps prior to JF's versions. The "latest" 0.90 is back when BoB only claimed Delve. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=162964 ------------------------------------------------
Jarra Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:18:00 - [153] A trip to Tpar would Rock with all the old crews :) -- Diplomacy is like saying "nice doggy" until u can find a bigger rock:)
Edison Frisk Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:53:00 - [154] Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Edison Frisk Maybe all us ex-PB residents should go on a road trip together sometime, would be interesting Would that include me? I did live in the damn place (un-interupted) for more than 6 months + a bit more time here and there as well Of course mate at the end of the day its water under the bridge n all that, hmmm a trip to tpar-g, BRING YOUR BOOKMARKS FOLKS! (oh and beer, depending on the quantities consumed we may end up a little off course in paragon soul but it'll still be fun) Heck in the old days we could have all had a pop at the station for old times sake where as now its a logistical to take a single shot.
Ace Frehley Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:56:00 - [155] Lets go to T-par!!! I got over 200 items left there.... DJ you take command I will be nude as usuall..... BBCODE:
G'ulSera Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 22:18:00 - [156] Originally by: Ace Frehley Lets go to T-par!!! I got over 200 items left there.... DJ you take command I will be nude as usuall..... Same here ace.... eh... about the items part For Blood and Honour The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty
papaPadla Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 18:55:00 - [157] Im only talking about PB Pretty much what thornsoul said... BUT i was soooo ****ed more than once when some random pirate corp took the station... CFS took it back and then 1 guy from FA came and claimed it back. FA never actually holded PB... but bcouse FA was a force... everyone was happy to let them have the stations... so we dont get into a situation where stations changed hands everyday In any case... what ppl seem to miss here is the fact that CFS never wanted to be a regular alliance... CFS was just a nice dream... and as all dreams died when we grew older BOB took the stations just to deny FA the income and finally got some stabilty back to the region... Nothing resembling an alliance or even a strong corp has ever spawned from PB as most ppl that ever lived there wanted to make a buck not spend it fighting I think it should be noted that a couple jumps from tpar MC holds a few systems and they even built an outpost there... and is sovereign MC space... not BOB -------------------------------------
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.01 20:46:00 - [158] Originally by: papaPadla Nothing resembling an alliance or even a strong corp has ever spawned from PB as most ppl that ever lived there wanted to make a buck not spend it fighting Uh... I beg to differ (as will those corps I'm sure). Several very good corps originated and grew (strong) from PB - Most (not all) ended up joining FA when they "outgrew" PB. COLSUP, HUN's, DKOD (not 100% sure if they started in PB...) and a few others... BIG Lottery [u
Toqua Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.01 23:16:00 - [159] Well... I was at that time in Friendship 7, part of StA, later, because we don't liked the way StA was driven by Leadership, we were as what today would be called 'residents' in Delve... In our opinion, StA was sent forward from CFS to take the first station in Delve.... and they did... and then sh*** hitted the fan. FA came down on us so hard, it was not funny... Delve was the first 0.0 experience for a LOT of us, practically most corps saw it as a 'nursery' to get used to 0.0, so we died in drenches.... FA was _demanding_ that everyone who wanted to get out, made a statement about this in Eve-o, and then got a week to get the hell out of there... Damm... I miss this old times... T.
viceman Without Reason	Posted - 2006.08.02 00:50:00 - [160] Originally by: papaPadla Im only talking about PB Pretty much what thornsoul said... BUT i was soooo ****ed more than once when some random pirate corp took the station... CFS took it back and then 1 guy from FA came and claimed it back. FA never actually holded PB... but bcouse FA was a force... everyone was happy to let them have the stations... so we dont get into a situation where stations changed hands everyday In any case... what ppl seem to miss here is the fact that CFS never wanted to be a regular alliance... CFS was just a nice dream... and as all dreams died when we grew older First of all cfs didn't get it back dsma took teh station every time ca took it and we even secertly napped them and out of all of the the only people who fought the ca invasions were black lance and bs.i not even the whole corp once it was just me dj lighting and 1 other guy fightign 30 Ca dudes --------------------- They see me rollin They hatin Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty

Katjia Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.02 04:36:00 - [161] lol this is fun going down memory lane...only cfs thing i have to claim is old fix day(aka the 1 day cease fire in the region and following tourny).....lets see other memories....huge cfs fleet sitting at a station not shooting at it cus some one said wait, all the pvpers getting p.o. ....uhhhh lets see that m0o guy running for pres and people actually thinking about it....still have some of the old cfs "laws" saved some where in the deep down dark depths of my hd. and MUC reigniting the cfs ca war cus of a dumb pilot. But as a side note cfs experiment was not a bad thing i think just look at the corps the pilots are in now that were apart of it. Some killer corps out ther now. btw yoda you rocked back then from what i can remember...btw i think alexandra belani and her husband are playing again they can fill in some history about right when cfs hit the can. and if any one can resurect couch monkey from where evr he went can fill in the old old history about jk-fix area. gah i am rambling I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 07:43:00 - [162] I still remember Katjia flying down to Querious to side with CFS during the war to shoot at those 'FIX' guys... oh the wonderful confusion Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.02 07:47:00 - [163] Edited by: Loka on 02/08/2006 07:49:33 Edited by: Loka on 02/08/2006 07:47:43 Well a lot of wrong intel about StA aka Star Alliance, residents of Delve it seems. Let me clear it up a bit for you. First a lot of Corps in StA back then were former corps of the CFS alliance, who were sad about the non combat apeacement policy of CFS. So most of the corps were infact pvp Corps, like Adeptus Gattacus was. Back then we were one of the bigger corps in StA with, lets say good influence on the course of the alliance policy. Back than i again began to influence the "heads" of the alliance, to create a CFS with PvP core. I loved the idear of a free space open for all trades and all corps, but with a good military. I started some programms, which CFS never had. Like weekly fee for member/corp in alliance, which took me almost 2 months to convince every vote in the senate A min of pilots every corp has to send to fight duty on a daily base I created something like a Navy for the alliance, with steady income from the alliance for replacements. Until StA was destroy i counted around 20 active pilots in that navy with daily dutys. Practice excercises with good fitting, not what CFS were used before And lot more i cant remember. I was very proud of it and we grew on a daily bases, getting stronger and stronger. For me it was enough to be resident, i didnt wanted any station to be honest, but with power also greed had grown. The people started to ask, why we wouldnt took the stations, where we actually living and using this money for defense propouse. Well i had some diplomatic contact with FA back than, also Tornsoul and i didnt liked the way i was treated. Iam not a dog, so i started to change my views, where i before honored and thanked FA for providing us with military assistance, i started to dislike them. I tried 1 months to convince them that it would have been in their interests having a relativly strong alliance, at their south borders defending the regions and border for them without them needing only one ship. Well imo they didnt want to loose their income of the station. I saw the ownerships as a monumental for corps to defend the region with maximum effort, where FA saw only ISK. Well plans were made and i was sure we would stand a chance. The problem was FIX never was a factor i calculated with. WHY? Well i was in controll of every single combat pilot and i told the senate, whatever we do in DELVE, BA and FIX are the right owner of Querious. Period. No discussion here at all and they had to aggree or i would have left them doing their ** alone. And they did. FIX never was a wartarget nor was Querious in any question who the right owner was. Let me tell you i was very supprised that FIX start a preventive assault, which caught me unpreppared and splitted our forces. No chance for StA to fight a two border fight against a mighty FA and a mighty FIX. We was annihilated in few weeks, even some minor forces tried to fight back. I had really good friends in FIX, that good, that even in wartimes we denied shooting at each other. Well things happend and battleplans never survive the first day. Thats the story. Attacking FA and taking was decided, after MACE former FA members roamed around pirating in DELVE, with dockingrights and FA started to treat me and our diplomats like little childs. We decided that dieing with a little bit of honor was a better choice than living as 2nd CFS under that conditions. Too bad we were very badly coordinated with DSMA. If we would have had fought together it could have lasted longer probably. CFS never was a force i calculated in this war, even when they brought good numbers to this war. Well numbers aint anything. Take this as it is written, because it is what happend and what the intensions back than were. honor > isk _________________________ Iam back**
mama guru Gallente Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.02 09:35:00 - [164] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. I have felt this as well, was thinking of the CFS days just recently No capitals, no pos wars back then. Man... those were the days, those were the days. -space reserved for some cool looking non political image-
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:29:00 - [165] Originally by: Katjia lol this is fun going down memory lane...only cfs thing i have to claim is old fix day(aka the 1 day cease fire in the region and following tourny).....lets see other memories....huge cfs fleet sitting at a station not shooting at it cus some one said wait, all the pvpers getting p.o. ....uhhhh lets see that m0o guy running for pres and people actually thinking about it....still have some of the old cfs "laws" saved some where in the deep down dark depths of my hd. and MUC reigniting the cfs ca war cus of a dumb pilot. But as a side note cfs experiment was not a bad thing i think just look at the corps the pilots are in now that were apart of it. Some killer corps out ther now. btw yoda you rocked back then from what i can remember...btw i think alexandra belani and her husband are playing again they can fill in some history about right when cfs hit the can. and if any one can resurect couch monkey from where evr he went can fill in the old old history about jk-fix area.gah i am rambling Kat, the "dumb" pilot was an alt of Gravedancer's. He was stuck in CA space and had been since before MUC joined CFS. He logged him in to get passage out and CA, not really needing any excuse as they proved by attacking within a month or so of signing a treaty with CFS when I was President, started hostilities with CFS for the 3rd time. Hard to blame Grave for this one, honestly, although the forum posts on this topic from CA folks were pretty hilarious. The M0o guy running for president of CFS was Stavros. He was probably backed by Ends. Nice post, and good information. Those were indeed some fun times. In closing, thank you for contributing to this post and thanks for the compliment. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:37:00 - [166] Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Silinary Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:28:00 - [167] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. His corp did Join SA .. while he was still president in CFS. He was jsut a member in Solarflare, not the CEO. The CEO made the decision and that was that. People at the time didn't notice it, or didnt' care. I rememebr asking him about that in a convo at one time hehe. As for FIX's involvement and the CFS fleet. As I understand it to this day, the CFS fleet could have gone strait to delve and PB without ever fighting FIX. That area down there is a 3 way jump ... 1 through the a2 pipe, 1 to delve, 1 down into Q proper. The FIX fleet sat in defence of the direction to Q proper. Teh CFS forces, instead of going to delve, decided to engage the FIX fleet.... thier loss. From then on, FIX was hostile to CFS and it's allies. God it's been a long time since then ... and I'm still down in Querious wtf? Never been into the north ... ever ... No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:37:00 - [168] Originally by: Loka Well plans were made and i was sure we would stand a chance. The problem was FIX never was a factor i calculated with. WHY? Well i was in controll of every single combat pilot and i told the senate, whatever we do in DELVE, BA and FIX are the right owner of Querious. Period. No discussion here at all and they had to aggree or i would have left them doing their ** alone. And they did. FIX never was a wartarget nor was Querious in any question who the right owner was. Your mistake was failing to establish a dialogue. The corps who founded FIX were largely interested in creating an entity that could control the region. It was a very inward-looking alliance. Originally by:** Loka Let me tell you i was very supprised that FIX start a preventive assault, which caught me unpreppared and splitted our forces. No chance for StA to fight a two border fight against a mighty FA and a mighty FIX. We was annihilated in few weeks, even some minor forces tried to fight back. QDF seized its chance. CFS failed to relinquish its claim over Querious and it was 100% CFS's fault not to cede Querious after fighting broke out. You can blame both Conrad and Liquidcool for that. They were given the opportunity and they blew it. Originally by: Loka I had really good friends in FIX, that good, that even in wartimes we denied shooting at each other. Well things happend and battleplans never survive the first day. Thats the story. o/ Loka - how's your singing? Yeah, ultimately Star and DSMA failed to unhook themselves from a sinking turkey (CFS). You would have been surprised at how much anti-FA sentiment there was within FIX at the time.
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:40:00 - [169] Originally by: Silinary As for FIX's involvement and the CFS fleet. As I understand it to this day, the CFS fleet could have gone strait to delve and PB without ever fighting FIX. That area down there is a 3 way jump ... 1 through the a2 pipe, 1 to delve, 1 down into Q proper. The FIX fleet sat in defence of the direction to Q proper. Incorrect Sil. I was in that fleet. We.. uh... blocked the route to all 3 regions.
Nez Perces Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:56:00 - [170] Originally by: Machiavelli7 Incorrect Sil. I was in that fleet. We.. uh... blocked the route to all 3 regions. heh yep... infact if we wanted to go into further detail.... the first shot was fired by a QDF admiral...Heavyg. By some strange coincidence he was also in Black Avatar...but I wouldnt read anything political into that, HeavyG was a trigger happy guy. Anyways.. there was no going back after that first shot was fired.. and certainly not when the next day CFS/UFS attempted to storm Querious and take the stations by force with a lot of Krom pilots in tow.

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:02:00 - [171] Can't blame Heavy for opening up. My understanding was that CFS frigates had been hanging about 150-200km off the gate where the main QDF fleet was... then they turned on their mwd's and nosedived right at the fleet. What was coming next was fairly obvious at that stage; safeties off. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:04:00 - [172] Originally by: Avernus Xenodia, I tend to agree with your feelings from that time period. Those CFS corps that did end up leaving and moving into JK-FIX were generally involved in leadership at various points in CFS history. A lot of people held it against us that we had left the CFS... but there honestly is only so much of the Senate that any sane person can handle. Yoda ofc, is in BA; Percy was in IT, he actually ended up quitting Eve just after we left the CFS when his term in office ended. The experience had drained all the fun out of the game for him. CFS was a great idea, a wonderful dream, but as you say, the structure wasn't there. It really was inevitable that the CFS wouldn't amount to anything over time; the more you were involved in the politics, the clearer the future. With so few CFS corps interested in actually moving into CFS space, it was time to move on. When we arrived in JK-FIX, we were absolutely sick of alliances, we wanted nothing to do with them again. All the corporations down there were fiercely independant, but at the same time, they were ten times as willing to work together and build a region and a community worth settling down in. I remember all to well. I also recall the extreme feelings of lonliness in the CFSN corp chat when it was Araviel, myself, and a couple others as the only ones that ever signed on and did anything. And I remember patrolling "the pipe" in my scorpion, by myself a lot of the time, once BA and the others left. Originally by: Avernus ...I wonder if Gravedancer is still around? Oh the character is still around, but its not the original owner behind the screen. TNT Killboard
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:10:00 - [173] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Yes, xenodia, that is true. I was responding specifically to the CFSDF statement, not my prior involvement in CFS, which was both sweet and sour. Reading your various posts I have to say I am very glad you posted. Your knowledge has helped me to remember many things I have forgotten or otherwise did not know. Convo me sometime and I will tell you why BA, one of the creators of CFS, left when it did and why we brought some of the others with us. I look forward to hearing from you. If I searched hard enough, I could probably find the original chatlogs of you explaining the decision to me at the time :) I might even still have a database backup of the old cfs forums. The storm that was started when you guys left was quite amazing and should be good for a laugh. It was like a monkey crap fight at the zoo, but with less organization. TNT Killboard
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:40:00 - [174] I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:54:00 - [175] Originally by: Dianabolic I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D where u in CFS too High-Sec/Low-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.02 23:26:00 - [176] Originally by: vicemanwe even secertly napped them [:pirate: I knew it!!
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.02 23:34:00 - [177] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. Thanks mate, point him to this thread too for a good read and trip down memory lane, from what I rememeber after discussing it with him he was a little ****ed about the whole politics thing and said he wanted to play the game rather than be stuck in the station with endless convo's - I don't think he had undocked for weeks at a time
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 03:47:00 - [178] great thread to read about PB and delve. To bad i have never been to those areas other than one time when the CFSDF lead by Pastor Wallace decided to turn on FA and try to attack the stations. I called for all of my corp members to pull out of the Gang and remove the CFSDF tags from bio. the conflict was ended quickly when pastor saw he did not have the backing he thought he did. God i was such a noob back then.. wait i'm still a noob. Shortly after Nez and I went to Yoda separately but on the same day with the idea of the QDF. Nez being a much more ambitious pilot than i got the ball rolling very quickly and i rode his coat tails all the way... WEEEE \o/ luv you nez. Through these fields of destruction. Baptisms of fire. Ive watched your suffering. As the battles raged higher. they hurt me so bad In the fear and alarm. You did not desert me, my brothers in arms!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 04:04:00 - [179] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Dianabolic I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D where u in CFS too CFS was terrible for intel leaks... no I take that back, 'terrible' doesn't do it justice, it was more like a travesty of oversights. CFS leaders did realise this to some extent, and did quite a bit of their decision making on Ventrillo as time progressed. As things brewed away at the upper levels, and plans were being discussed, my access into their upper forum levels was revoked (I used to have full uninhibited access)... they then moved UFS leadership discussions into a little used area that had been setup sometime earlier for discussions between a couple of representatives from independant Querious corporations and the CFS leaders. Thing is, they forgot to remove that part of my and another persons access.... plus the other person who had access there also knew the forum owner. Everything that was ever written on the CFS forums, was known by others outside the CFS. PS. Thinking about it, someone had mentioned to me that Gravedancer had started up a new character, I never found out who that character is though. o/ to you if you're reading this. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 14:08:00 - [180] Originally by: Edison Frisk Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. Thanks mate, point him to this thread too for a good read and trip down memory lane, from what I rememeber after discussing it with him he was a little ****ed about the whole politics thing and said he wanted to play the game rather than be stuck in the station with endless convo's - I don't think he had undocked for weeks at a time That is the same thing that drove me from the game, but now I have been sucked back in. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.03 14:25:00 - [181] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Dianabolic I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D where u in CFS too Nah, I considered joining but the whole thing was setup to fail horribly, imo, too much red tape.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 14:35:00 - [182] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Dianabolic I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D where u in CFS too Nah, I considered joining but the whole thing was setup to fail horribly, imo, too much red tape. QFT Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.03 15:16:00 - [183] For me, the most interesting aspect of this thread is seeing certain individuals take a very revisionist approach to history. There's dirt under some of those stones. Whitewashing ftl
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.03 16:00:00 - [184] Well, peoples memories are often colored by their perspective. Were talking about a period in EVE when a lot of stuff happened in a fairly short time, and that time was years ago. Throw in all the different sides in the various conflicts, and the fact that many of the prominent players in those events have left the game for a while, then come back (and in some cases left and come back more than once), and its understandable that things are a bit muddled. TNT Killboard
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.03 16:08:00 - [185] Originally by: Machiavelli7 For me, the most interesting aspect of this thread is seeing certain individuals take a very revisionist approach to history. There's dirt under some of those stones. Whitewashing ftl Those certain individuals sure seem to be very interested in telling their side of 'what really happened'. It does provide some interesting reading though, specifically how several sides seem to think/argue that their point of view is the unbiased one. Btw good to see ya still playing, mach :)
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 17:41:00 - [186] In truth, I think there was far too much emotion involved around the events in those days for anyone not to have some biased opinions. Time and distance makes a difference for a lot of people though. Remember the fallout when various CFS members left for CA corps? At the time, for some it was like some huge betrayal to everything they stood for.... now it's kinda meh. Look at Edison for example, who would hold it against him for being in Shinra now... but back when Shinra was one of the main aggressors in CFS space, it would have been a big deal. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.03 22:39:00 - [187] If only i had stayed in the elections that time.... Hmm.
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp Curse Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.04 15:23:00 - [188] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii frantik was the best scout you could ever have on an op.most amazing scanner. i have a couple of memories of delve. back in the day when the conquerable stations first came in i was a fleet commander of FA in the corporation Xanadu. we had made plans to be online right after dt to get in on the station free for all. well that was the plan. i slept in Anyways the fleet goes on anyways and makes it's way to 5-6 which has already been claimed by some corp ( geko or something) we ended up fighting over it for a day or two but in the end it was ours. i think that day gave tornsoul and sastul one of thier most interesting political experiences in the game. i just shot stuff :). and that was about it, some m0o killings/ mining :P remember m0o working with tyrell mining in PB. and thats about it. lo tornsoul We did the same thing when those conquerables came out. Except thanks to Darkwolf (australia) and some crazy euro's we managed to get people online and take 5 out of the 6 conquerables under SA space. We were never working with m0o... your thinking of Techell... how we fit into the picture one of our stations in paragon soul is a few jumps from delve. Tyrian Soltuer would go up there in his brand new interceptor (they had just been introduce) and bust up huge mining ops with half a dozen m0o battleships shooting and missing. Pop went the cans and home went the Techell miners.
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.04 18:00:00 - [189] Originally by: Avernus In truth, I think there was far too much emotion involved around the events in those days for anyone not to have some biased opinions. Time and distance makes a difference for a lot of people though. Remember the fallout when various CFS members left for CA corps? At the time, for some it was like some huge betrayal to everything they stood for.... now it's kinda meh. Look at Edison for example, who would hold it against him for being in Shinra now... but back when Shinra was one of the main aggressors in CFS space, it would have been a big deal. we are all carebears in shinra now so its all good
Rufus Kex Genco	Posted - 2006.08.05 02:42:00 - [190] CFS was a joke and has always been. No military force and no threat, just politics among stupid americans that never lead anywhere except maybe on the forums. BA was the only big force down in the Fix back in the days, before m0o came there and sort of laid carnage to all of it. I could write a long post about all the Empyrean Federation Drama including Morkt Drak and Fargas and all the corps that defied us, especially Ends Journey (one guy with 10 accounts or so) that stripmined the hell out of the area down where all the DSMA and FA and **** would eventually fight, but it was still the EF who cliamed it first. Suppose all this thread's history would have been different if people understood that we were not CFS. Before the conquerable stations were introduced we had a secure area in t-m0fa with 100 (10x10) giant secure containers that we filled with ore and loot. Empyrean Federation owned all that space from autumn 2003 unto the conquerable stations where introduced. When was it, like summer 2004? We took the first station there before Xanadu fought us off, so we battled with them until we realized we didn't have that much a chance against the Fountain Legacy of endless ark+bist. It was strange times because CA was at war with FA and took the station every now and then from them with their attack teams (mainly Shinra). A Delve Alliance was formed, but it was under the pawn of FA as Xanadu owned the stations there, to defend the station from Curse. A stupid mess, since especially DSMA came and wanted their piece of the cake aswell. I don't remember what happened after that, since I quit the game about then, but I think FA eventually gave up (died) and the alliance of Delve became a political reality, taking over the area. (I have no idea who controls the area since like....autumn 2004).

Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 02:59:00 - [191] Originally by: Rufus Kex I hope all the people who were part of CFS died a horrible death since then. Seriously. Very much alive and kicking. Seriously. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.05 04:51:00 - [192] Originally by: Machiavelli7 For me, the most interesting aspect of this thread is seeing certain individuals take a very revisionist approach to history. There's dirt under some of those stones. Whitewashing ftl Yeah some of it is even T2 whitewashing.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 17:06:00 - [193] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Rufus Kex I hope all the people who were part of CFS died a horrible death since then. Seriously. Very much alive and kicking. Seriously. Same here. Seriously CFS was a dream to have an alliance without any limitations and boring politics all day long, it turned out to be just the opposite in the end. But no matter the outcome it was very good experience for the few pilots who were willing to fight.
BOldMan Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:34:00 - [194] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Rufus Kex I hope all the people who were part of CFS died a horrible death since then. Seriously. Very much alive and kicking. Seriously. ohh. we are everywhere is fun and hot. I am shocked how many cfs-schoolmates are in game. Period basis was like an school period for everybody.
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:31:00 - [195] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Rufus Kex I hope all the people who were part of CFS died a horrible death since then. Seriously. Very much alive and kicking. Seriously. Never looked back since the PB days. Taught me more about interaction with people in an MMORPG and how to motivate people in a game than anything else. It was the school of hard knocks, and looking at the people who have posted in this thread, it looks like quite a few others have thrived since the end of the CFS/DSMA etc etc. Rovers Chronicles
Planek Lynx Frontier Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:40:00 - [196] CFS owned Querious Delve and Period Basis. Delve was sort of shared with FA and CFS. CFS fell when FA decided to take over which led to the end of CFS. I was in CFS. :) So FA owned where bob was along with fountain. Thats when bob came in and took over it all.
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:04:00 - [197] Edited by: Kashre on 05/08/2006 23:13:16 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor The M0o guy running for president of CFS was Stavros. He was probably backed by Ends. HAHAHAHAHA! That's like the ultimate CFS inside joke right there. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
S3VYN Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:26:00 - [198] I can't say precisely why, but I wanted to post somewhere in this topic. After watching you guys rehash some things I figured now may be a good time to at least contribute a post... without worthwhile content. .: DEAD AND LOVING IT :.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:32:00 - [199] To elaborate on a few things. When the conquerable stations were introduced I had the entire Xanadu corp logged off in Y-2ANO before DT as we were expecting a station to spawn down there. However much to our surprise Fountain did not get any conquerable stations, but we did notice Delve got three of them. So, without consulting any councils I made the call to move into Delve and claim them before someone else could (I believe we quickly devided the stations among Xanadu, FIV and another corp). This move resulted in a 1-2 day war with CFS and Morkt Drahkt's alliance. The Delve stations remained under FA control for a very very long time and I believe it was finally Shinra or BoB who took control of them. Onto Period Basis... FA never really had an interest in PB until m0o started moving inthere together with Techell (as you may recall m0o gave FA quite an asskicking before that). It became a habit to move down to PB once in a while to try and fight m0o, Techell or ATUK. We never bothered with the station up until m0o finally moved out and Techell were on their own. Once we finally had the station it was in the hands of BIG for about a year and the rest has been summed up by others already. ------------------ WOTANKN > WOTAN-KN + BIZARRE= SIR MOLLE
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:55:00 - [200] There is a little bit thats been missed, My memory is not excellent so excuse if not 100% accurate. After SHINRA moved out of PB the area became contested between FA and SMASH/RUBRA etc. FA were not really fighting and the coalition took TPAR-G. From there they began incursions into PS to fight us (Stain at the time). Stain contacted FA to ask them to control their region as we had a NAP with FA at that time. FA said they would but for whatever reason it never happened. At the point the Stain fleets that had been camping GM4GK were ordered to enter Period Basis and begin to assualt TPAR-G some lovely battles took place there and the surounding systems. After many fights and many losses on both sides TPAR-G fell to Stain and Darroch of SFHI took control of the station. That evening the representative for Fountain arrived for us to formally hand the station to them , the pilot was from Damage Industries. We gaurded this corp as they re-took the station from us. The next morning after downtime the deceit was clear, as of dt the corp had left FA to join RUBRA/SMASH, we had been tricked! (loved the roleplay lads) The fighting continued until BOB turned up properly and stabilised the region with kunning use of I win button. FA fell back to fountain and the rest is history yet to be written. PLEASE NOTE THIS IS SHORT VERSION ONE SIDED AND NOT IN ANYWAY 100% ACCURATE. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ADD TO IT :) http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0607/mitchnew.gif signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])

Baun Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:26:00 - [201] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: TornSoul .... selective memory...... I am quite shocked that you have chosen to omit one of the key factors that caused CFS/UFS to crumble as quickly as they did. CFS/UFS had the intention of also capturing querious.. and who was there at the time TornSoul? Was in not QDF/FIX (Querious Defence Force) that broke the 100 man CFS fleet that came to take Querious? Was it not the QDF/FIX fleets that then blocked the A2-V27 pipeline and NEVER allowed another UFS/CFS fleet of any significance to enter the south? The QDF broke the CFS's back and handed victory to you on a silver platter. CFS got gangbanged by us in Querious and yourselves in PB/Delve.. only we did most of the heavy lifting. Truth is FIX killed CFS to all intents and purposes... they would have lasted a whole lot longer if we hadn't been there.... primarily cause SA would have intervened, in CFS's favour. The reason CFS died so fast was because of FIX. They could not easily resupply after those that did fight were blown up the first few times. This really accelerated their demise. Also, the few times you came down to TPAR during the beggining were helpful (as I recall, though it can get confusing between that and Shinra). The reason CFS died at all was because of FA. We sent a 200man gang (when that was quasi unheard of in terms of size) 45minutes or so after they took the stations. As far as I could tell this completely crushed their spirit. You guys didn't have any interest in Delve or PB until probably over a year after this happened (I am remembering back to when you wanted to POS populate 1 PB or Delve constellation, think it was delve near the pipe but i can't remember), so it is entirely disingenuous to credit yourselves with the death of alliances that did not even live in Querious. There is no need to have a ****ing contest. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.07 04:37:00 - [202] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Rover Vitesse I also have memories of a great safespot buster from BIG (this was before scanning probes were released), and sitting at a safespot for more than ten minutes usually meant you were going to be found and killed :D. Thats Frantik Makes me proud you guys still recall his skills ("young" ppl need to understand that this was before scan probes) Only guy I know who single handedely could make entire fleets move - Simply by popping up in local. His safe spot busting skills were/are legendary frantik was the best scout you could ever have on an op.most amazing scanner. Frantik is easily the best scout in the history of Eve. He was a real artist. I wonder if anyone can find that link to the scan he made of one of the pieces of paper he used to bust safes before there were probes ... completely insane. After probes came out he was even more insane. He could find the enemy fleet anywhere in the system in about 3 minutes no matter where they were. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:08:00 - [203] Frantik could find anyone, anywhere, at any time. There is no defense against frantic...hostile fleets would just simply mass logoff once he showed up. I remember a simple task once in YRNJ where I knew where there was 2 safespotted abandoned haulers that I spent about an hour to an hour and a half trying to find, with probes. In the end I was out a lot of probes and all my time. Frantik came down and I think found them in about 5 minutes. The word legendary is not an exaggeration. Raptor and Ares Fix
Jarra Gallente Twizted Illusion	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:01:00 - [204] Period and Dsma had some very nice times as alot of people were helpful,when things turn tit up it was a learning curve indeed to be in the smack middle of it with Black lance and all those guys who were with us even though some say it was a pure mess. Bein there was a very nice experience in many things. Nice to see Rover,Dj and some others from back in the day post in this thread. -- Diplomacy is like saying "nice doggy" until u can find a bigger rock:)
Nez Perces Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:18:00 - [205] Edited by: Nez Perces on 07/08/2006 12:23:45 Originally by: Baun The reason CFS died so fast was because of FIX. They could not easily resupply after those that did fight were blown up the first few times. This really accelerated their demise. Also, the few times you came down to TPAR during the beggining were helpful (as I recall, though it can get confusing between that and Shinra). The reason CFS died at all was because of FA. We sent a 200man gang (when that was quasi unheard of in terms of size) 45minutes or so after they took the stations. As far as I could tell this completely crushed their spirit. You guys didn't have any interest in Delve or PB until probably over a year after this happened (I am remembering back to when you wanted to POS populate 1 PB or Delve constellation, think it was delve near the pipe but i can't remember), so it is entirely disingenuous to credit yourselves with the death of alliances that did not even live in Querious. Thats just paraphrasing what I said... lets put it laymans terms so everybody can understand.. QDF (FIX wasnt born yet) tripped CFS over, they fell and broke their face then we sat on them whilst they were face down..... FA then stepped in and beat them over the head with a big club till all that was left was a bloody pulp. Wether QDF or FA on their own, could have killed CFS within an acceptable timeframe is debatable... my guess is it would have taken months and months... by which time anything could have happened, with CA and SA taking an active interest in the region, and not exactly happy with FA.
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:16:00 - [206] Originally by: Baun Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Rover Vitesse I also have memories of a great safespot buster from BIG (this was before scanning probes were released), and sitting at a safespot for more than ten minutes usually meant you were going to be found and killed :D. Thats Frantik Makes me proud you guys still recall his skills ("young" ppl need to understand that this was before scan probes) Only guy I know who single handedely could make entire fleets move - Simply by popping up in local. His safe spot busting skills were/are legendary frantik was the best scout you could ever have on an op.most amazing scanner. Frantik is easily the best scout in the history of Eve. He was a real artist. I wonder if anyone can find that link to the scan he made of one of the pieces of paper he used to bust safes before there were probes ... completely insane. After probes came out he was even more insane. He could find the enemy fleet anywhere in the system in about 3 minutes no matter where they were. Here ya go : Frantik's safe busting recipe I dug around on our forums a bit - and found it (it's more than 2 years old...) He also wrote a (very long) tutorial on how to do it... BIG Lottery [u
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:17:00 - [207] scary -.- _________________________ Iam back
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:19:00 - [208] Originally by: Jarra Period and Dsma had some very nice times as alot of people were helpful,when things turn tit up it was a learning curve indeed to be in the smack middle of it with Black lance and all those guys who were with us even though some say it was a pure mess. Bein there was a very nice experience in many things. Nice to see Rover,Dj and some others from back in the day post in this thread. ahem!
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:01:00 - [209] Originally by: Reiisha If only i had stayed in the elections that time.... Hmm. Much <3 mate. I truely appreciate the time you spent trying to cajole me back to Eve. In some respect, your tenacity has brought me here again. For this I thank you. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:04:00 - [210] Originally by: Machiavelli7 For me, the most interesting aspect of this thread is seeing certain individuals take a very revisionist approach to history. There's dirt under some of those stones. Whitewashing ftl As time and memories fade, we begin to see things somewhat differently than they really were. For those fuzzy memories, like mine, I continue to request that you folks record your recollections here of that very important time in the history of the South. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.

Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:52:00 - [211] Where are FA now, empire based and for that matter FIX are they both empire based alliances now?
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.08 20:12:00 - [212] Originally by: Edison Frisk Where are FA now, empire based and for that matter FIX are they both empire based alliances now? FIX still operates out of Querious although the CODA war almost destroyed the alliance and likely would have if not for BOB's intervention. BOB and FIX now have an allied relationship and BOB actually holds sovereignty in the station systems. The rest of the agreement between the parties is not a matter for public consumption. FA, along with others, are now Rise alliance and where they live they will have to respond to. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:09:00 - [213] Originally by: Edison Frisk Where are FA now, empire based and for that matter FIX are they both empire based alliances now? FA merged with NORAD and live in Outer Ring under the name R.I.S.E. edit OHMY*******GODDIEFORUMSDIE ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:25:00 - [214] so now fix are anti FA to please their current landlords, how times change viva la cfs!!
qrac Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.09 17:37:00 - [215] Originally by: TornSoul Here ya go : Frantik's safe busting recipe I dug around on our forums a bit - and found it (it's more than 2 years old...) He also wrote a (very long) tutorial on how to do it... Frantik was invaluable to the FA. Do you still have the tutorial? -------------------------------------------
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 18:02:00 - [216] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 09/08/2006 18:03:33 Originally by: Edison Frisk so now fix are anti FA to please their current landlords, how times change viva la cfs!! No Edison, it was FA that became anti-FIX and formed part of CODA forces that attacked FIX. To my knowledge, FIX did not aggress FA until that point in time and we currently do not go to where they live and aggress them at this point in time. Regarding our relationship with BOB,let's just say that it is very mutually beneficial in several ways. Edit: Oh, I forgot. Remember, CCP is primary!!! Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.09 18:30:00 - [217] Originally by: Edison Frisk so now fix are anti FA to please their current landlords, how times change I doubt FIX are anymore anti-FA (btw FA is now merged into R.I.S.E) than anybody else is.... at most I would suggest there is indeference, at least that was what I felt when I was in FIX. However, I think it may be relevant to point out why FIX became indeferent to FA over time and eventually napped BoB and cut FA loose, as opposed to remaining a staunch ally. After the CFS war QDF/FIX felt it had proven itself as a reasonably powerful entity able to hold its borders and with a certain amount of ambition. It is my opinion that FA failed to capitalise on FIX's military abilities as an ally. After the CFS war, FA had a vote to decide wether FIX should be allowed to govern itself...... the cheek of it. FA also had a condescending attitude towards FIX even at the height of our 'friendship'. It is my view that FA leadership considered FIX to be second class. At one stage FIX let it be known that we had interests in expanding either into Delve or PB.. tbh as an ally we expected FA to assist us in our development. However, FA made it quite clear that PB and Delve were FA property and were to remain that way. When the first installment of the SA war broke out with FIX, FA made it clear that their longstanding treaty with SA over-rided their frienship with us, and that only if we requested/begged for assistance would it be given. Infact on one occasion FIX council lost heart during the SA war and sought out Tornsoul to ask for assistance.. I had to contact Tornsoul after the event and over-rule the FIX council. Asking for FA's help would have meant being in debt to them, something which dealings with FA had already proven would be a bad move. FIX got assaulted by Atuk/BoB/SA, we survived.. primarily because BoB/Atuk realised that SA were not as good as they made out to be and so BoB didn't bother getting fully involved... FIX never lost a fleet battle against SA in the first SA war and SA retired from their assault on 9cg with a bloody nose. I believe this is the first instance in which rifts arose between SA and BoB, previous to this Trigger could do no wrong. I also believe that Tornsoul via an existing working relationship with Trigger, managed to persuade him to look for a peaceful resolution to the war after SA found it impossible to break FIX fleets. BoB continued fighting with FIX but not with the intention of destroying us.. instead their focus switched to Delve and PB and eventually FA prime with the help of Shinra and Atuk. FIX was willing to assist FA in the defence of their regions, but to be perfectly honest we did not see FA doing enough defending of their own. We started arriving at the conclusion that FA was dead already... and that they weren't defending Delve/PB properly, simply because they didnt have the military to do so. The funny thing is that even when things were going pete-tong for FA they always managed to retain an air of "ivory-tower" arrogance, whilst continuously underestimating their military capabilities. For me the above in bold is the primary reason why FIX had no qualms in cutting FA loose and napping BoB, when FA arguably needed an ally the most. BoB then proceeded to systematically evict them from Fountain space. OFC the fact that we liked BoB quite a bit after fighting them for 2/3 months solid was another factor. Disclaimer : These are my personal recollections of my time as a FIX JCoS, as to why certain things happened the way they did.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.09 18:50:00 - [218] Originally by: Nez Perces For me the above in bold is the primary reason why FIX had no qualms in cutting FA loose and napping BoB, when FA arguably needed an ally the most. BoB then proceeded to systematically evict them from Fountain space. OFC the fact that we liked BoB quite a bit after fighting them for 2/3 months solid was another factor. ... just to add some extra information to this... FIX also napped BoB so that we could be confident that our western borders were secure. We had identified a new region for expansion... Catch and the very nice constellation holding the FAT station. What followed was practically uninterrupted hostilities with the Coalition, and the various incarnations of SA/SE and finally CODA... which is more recent history.
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.09 19:48:00 - [219] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Nez Perces For me the above in bold is the primary reason why FIX had no qualms in cutting FA loose and napping BoB, when FA arguably needed an ally the most. BoB then proceeded to systematically evict them from Fountain space. OFC the fact that we liked BoB quite a bit after fighting them for 2/3 months solid was another factor. ... just to add some extra information to this... FIX also napped BoB so that we could be confident that our western borders were secure. We had identified a new region for expansion... Catch and the very nice constellation holding the FAT station. What followed was practically uninterrupted hostilities with the Coalition, and the various incarnations of SA/SE and finally CODA... which is more recent history. Well I have respect for FIX, after the CFS wars I was assimilated into Shinra and occasionally we entered FIX for a good ol scrap no intentions of taking over the space but merely to have fun and you always obliged with 50+ in numbers. good times. I say he who fights for space should at least get a chance to reside in it where as the pussies who ss all the time need evicting permanently. I think all in all over the past 8 pages its nice to see people remembering those times long ago so fondly, I feel we have all grown up since then and all treaded different paths, righteous or not, I really do ♥ you all! Now next time anyone see's me in space please call me primary, I like it - thx
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.09 19:59:00 - [220] Edison, for your edification: I spoke with Conrad today and he has now read this thread. I did not have time to guage his reaction, so I will keep you tuned in as I find out. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.

Talon SilverHawk Caldari Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.09 23:34:00 - [221] Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:45:15 Such a blast from the past. Passed through the old stomping grounds the other day, down the pipe and into Gehi. Being foreign minister for the CFS was interesting in a very painful sort of way.Some members did more damage on the inside then anyone did from the outside. Was it Ends that offered mOo a contract to attack the CFS except for his ships to toughen us up ???? wonder what happened to him and that seal guy. Tal What goes around comes around
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 13:55:00 - [222] Originally by: Talon SilverHawk Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:47:42 Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:45:15 Such a blast from the past. Passed through the old stomping grounds the other day, down the pipe and into Gehi. Being foreign minister for the CFS was interesting in a very painful sort of way.Some members did more damage on the inside then anyone did from the outside. Was it Ends that offered mOo a contract to attack the CFS except for his ships to toughen us up ???? wonder what happened to him and that seal guy. Thought you found it a struggle towards the end Yoda... Tal Yes, it was Ends. And, Yes, it was a struggle towards the end. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes Almost there!
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.10 17:31:00 - [223] I have to say what the loss of CFS meant to me was the failure of idealism, democracy, and small corps in eve. CFS was in large part the proof that large numbers of small corps simply could not be pulled together into a cohesive fighting force. That was the experiment, and it failed. I'm very proud of the time spent by SFHI in running and defending CFS, even though most of our work was done in period basis. (Killing C4 FTW) I can definitely say it will take a lot to convince me that democracy can work in eve and allow an alliance to move quickly enough to fight, and I will never again believe in the power of small corps, or the goodwill of nearby alliances. --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.10 18:49:00 - [224] Originally by: Synapse Archae I have to say what the loss of CFS meant to me was the failure of idealism, democracy, and small corps in eve. CFS was in large part the proof that large numbers of small corps simply could not be pulled together into a cohesive fighting force. That was the experiment, and it failed. I'm very proud of the time spent by SFHI in running and defending CFS, even though most of our work was done in period basis. (Killing C4 FTW) I can definitely say it will take a lot to convince me that democracy can work in eve and allow an alliance to move quickly enough to fight, and I will never again believe in the power of small corps, or the goodwill of nearby alliances. If what Hardin wrote in the ASCN thread about standings and the need to police the Providence area is correct, in some respects the experiment is working elsewhere. However, you analysis of some of the faults of the CFS and it's demise are correct. Oh, and Yoda waves to Talon. Glad to see you again. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes Almost there!
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.11 23:21:00 - [225] Originally by: Talon SilverHawk Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:47:42 Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 09/08/2006 23:45:15 Such a blast from the past. Passed through the old stomping grounds the other day, down the pipe and into Gehi. Being foreign minister for the CFS was interesting in a very painful sort of way.Some members did more damage on the inside then anyone did from the outside. Was it Ends that offered mOo a contract to attack the CFS except for his ships to toughen us up ???? wonder what happened to him and that seal guy. Thought you found it a struggle towards the end Yoda... Tal yes, it was Ends, but to be totally accurate, it wasnt a contract he offered MoO. MoO had already been hanging around CFS space causing mischief (as they often did). Ends didnt like the affect this had on his multiple account, macro mining RL job (he had like 15 accounts, and basically just mined all day, and then ebayed most of the isk), so he offered to "buy off" MoO to the tune of something like a billion isk (and this was back when that was a crapload of isk). But he only wanted to buy protection for his own corp (which was basically him and his alts). He threw the rest of the CFS under the bus. Please visit our website here
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.11 23:38:00 - [226] Ahh good old Ends, and his 15 mining vexors with their 5 Ity5 haulers. o.O --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Raindrop LittleHauling Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.12 03:30:00 - [227] I remember End's whole line of ships leaving Gehi @ x minutes interval because they'd otherwise bump into each other somewhere down the line. 30 jumps out... sheez Raindrop 100% Carebear and loving it. Collector of junk and leftovers. NPC and low end minerals trader. Hauler.
Fantus Caldari Pitch Black Incorporated	Posted - 2006.08.16 23:20:00 - [228] My History of JK-FIX: I don't know everything, but I had a good line in the politics of the time. First, we will start at the beginning.... My first trip to JK-FIX was to a hunting system. Back then you could easily chain in one belt, while others stayed in other belts. There were no BS's, it was all cruisers, and JK-FIX had a nice little community of hunters. Friendly, watched each others backs, and was a very cool piece of free space, before alliances took a hold of the game. In that time, alliances were being forged, and m0o was roaming about. As a response to some of the incursions on the community, an idea was sprung to form some kind of protection. CFS and the CFS Navy were born (I was not part of the discussions, but I did join the CFS Navy). CFS Navy actually could hold it's own at one point, with the likes of Madcap Magician, Saul Saiden, Serge, and a lot of other very willing pilots. They learned from fighting m0o. But, during this time, the first parasite started infecting the community, his name was Ends, of Ends Journey. Him and his 12 alt accounts, clogging up the gates with numerous haulers, mining off belt bistot. He wanted to buy the CFS, and even bought m0o for a short time. CFS Navy, the good incarnation, started going belly up. The alliance corps weren't supporting it much (except for a few), and CFS Navy lost it's leadership. A few people tried to carry it on, but with lack of support, and Ends buying members for his bistot machine, it wasn't the same. I was in a corp called Phoenix Rising Inc. (PRI) at this time, and we were in active ops with SeTI Corporation. We merged, along with JBX into Ascendancy Inc. (ASCI). Our forward base was in Chamemi, and we because very well liked, and respected (contrary to some other opinions) in what was now Querious. During this time, we chose to stay nuetral, but supported a lot of the same goals as CFS. I think this is when Nez and J.H.E.N.R. entered the scene. Things were working well, and Black Avatar was inhabiting the space (somewhat, as they were involved with FA too). The stations were mostly protected by Imperium, ASCI, and Black Avatar, with the pipes as CFS's responsibility. Enter the dark age... With BA controlling the 3BK station (that ASCI was protecting mostly at the time), a little dissention started unfolding. We were mad at the taxes, and the fact that we were little more than a pawn in the process to some people. In this time, someone recorded an ASCI Ventrilo convo, about taking over the 3BK station, so we could manage it, and have something to call our own. Unfortunately, the convo was between 3 non-director members, just going over the possibilties in EVE, and this was taken way out of context. At the time, we were already in conversations with Stain Empire (to become Stain Alliance), about moving to their space. I will repeat this once, B.A. did not push ASCI out. We were very torn between Querious, which we considered a home, and Stain. We were ready to fight B.A., but through diplomacy, we tried to keep a already volitale region from exploding on the spot. The war lasted less than a few hours. I'm not gonna mention Ginger Magicians part in all of this, cause it was really a side quest. During the dimplomacy talks, I asked Yodoran to make a defense channel for the region cause CFS wasn't doing anything. That became QDF, which was the military wing that drove FIX into existance. At this time ASCI was already en route to Stain to help with the CA wars there. Yes, I could go into much more detail... But what started out as a simple, and cool free space community, and a unique aspect of the game, became a load of crap in the matter of a few months.. Starting with someone thinking he could buy people off. Some play the game like that, but the original JK-FIX community was filled with heart and soul players, and I preffer to remember that over the rest. Fantus
Arturio Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.16 23:35:00 - [229] DOG!!!!!!! I'm coming back for at least a visit. Ven maybe too :)
CardboardSword42 Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.17 00:37:00 - [230] Originally by: qrac Originally by: TornSoul Here ya go : Frantik's safe busting recipe I dug around on our forums a bit - and found it (it's more than 2 years old...) He also wrote a (very long) tutorial on how to do it... Frantik was invaluable to the FA. Do you still have the tutorial? I'm also interested in reading this guide, could someone please link it? I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 01:07:00 - [231] The talk of Frantik, while I didn't know who he was at the time (I was never on the opposite side of the fence from him), sounds exactly like another pilot who used to be around the Querious area, Cyther. Seriously, if you see him, he's hostile (which is likely), and he's looking for you, just get the hell out of dodge Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:03:00 - [232] While we're on the topic, anyone recall the local dual mwd raven pirate that used to hang out in querious? I so loved and hated him at the same time, much like tomba.. till he joined ofc :P
Elfman AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:50:00 - [233] Nice read this and takes me back. Nice to see some old faces from back then are still in the game. The one thing I really enjoyed back then was the sheer amount of PvP you could get into so quickly :) Waves to everyone above who rem's me ;)
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:11:00 - [234] Originally by: Aeon Yakati While we're on the topic, anyone recall the local dual mwd raven pirate that used to hang out in querious? I so loved and hated him at the same time, much like tomba.. till he joined ofc :P Would you be thinking of SlamD? Or maybe Crusher666 and Hellsomebody. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:59:00 - [235] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Aeon Yakati While we're on the topic, anyone recall the local dual mwd raven pirate that used to hang out in querious? I so loved and hated him at the same time, much like tomba.. till he joined ofc :P Would you be thinking of SlamD? Or maybe Crusher666 and Hellsomebody. Yeah, he was definitely one of the regular dual mwd ravens, getting away almost every single time... The character hellspawn666 still plays but I'm not sure if it's still the same guy (I can ofc just ask since he's in my corp :P). At one point Serge and I were so close to killing SlamD, but just as we thought we had him, Serge's screen went black and he got away with like 1% structure and leaving me behind in a pod :P Miis those old times.
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:28:00 - [236] Hey Yoda do you think you could convince Conrad to come chat with his old corp? --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:43:00 - [237] Originally by: Synapse Archae Hey Yoda do you think you could convince Conrad to come chat with his old corp? I will make the effort for you. Regarding Fantus' post, and although we do not see eye to eye on the part about them leaving or being forced out, I recall several conversations with him and others in his corporation during the time that things started heating up in Q. I can honestly say that with the possible exception of Ginger Magician, all those involved had a healthy respect for each other, a respect that I honestly still hold to this day. SlamD. Now there is a blast from the past. If I am not mistaken, he was in RUS but was from Canada and lived a short distance from many of the BA guys who played at that time. He was an excellent pilot but actually preferred combat in his inty and his blackbird over the raven. Hope I have the right chap. The others names given are also well familiar. Those were indeed interesting times on the PvP front. And Yes, it was not difficult at all to find a fight just about any time you wanted one. M0o was always accomodating, as were many other pirate entities that travelled the long voids of space in Q. Keep it up folks! More history and perspective please. In closing, as Fantus basically said, you cannot buy a region anymore than you can buy an alliance. I think Ends found that out a tad too late, although I did find him entertaining on TS when he would play his guitar and sing while mining, hauling, etc. I am told the image is properly sized now. Can you confirm please?
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.18 00:45:00 - [238] lovin that fact that this thread is still alive, I want an official max suicide alt post pls, and maybe one from liquidcool. Yoda good job keeping this thread goin man. Ed
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.18 00:50:00 - [239] Originally by: Edison Frisk lovin that fact that this thread is still alive, I want an official max suicide alt post pls, and maybe one from liquidcool. Funny that you should mention max.. I recieved an in-game mail from him 2 days ago saying that he was thrilled to see this thread getting longer and longer. He can't post as he is perma-banned I believe. So everybody wave to Max Suicide, as he is probably still keeping an eye on this thread
Silinary Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 04:37:00 - [240] ... and ehre I thought good 'ol Maxy quit playing. waves No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...

S3VYN Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 05:48:00 - [241] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Edison Frisk lovin that fact that this thread is still alive, I want an official max suicide alt post pls, and maybe one from liquidcool. Funny that you should mention max.. I recieved an in-game mail from him 2 days ago saying that he was thrilled to see this thread getting longer and longer. He can't post as he is perma-banned I believe. So everybody wave to Max Suicide, as he is probably still keeping an eye on this thread For all of his inabilities to actually accomplish anything at all... He could always accomplish getting banned from forums. Good stuff! BTW :: I only said that because I KNOW he'd love to hear it from me. mwuwhahah :D .: DEAD AND LOVING IT :.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 07:31:00 - [242] Waves to Max o/ Yeah, SlamD was a great pilot, he did later graduate from his BB's and Caracals, and started using a dual MWD Scorp as well. Would mess around with us right at the station in 9CG as well, great fun :D Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:42:00 - [243] I always like Max in a strange, Machievellian sort of way. Yoda waves to Max! Edison: Thanks I am told the image is properly sized now. Can you confirm please?
Ginger Magician Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:46:00 - [244] Edited by: Ginger Magician on 21/08/2006 00:47:01 Edited by: Ginger Magician on 21/08/2006 00:46:39 Old memories.I enjoyed my time in Querious and although those days are long since past and I went on to much greater fame and glory I stil remember those times with pleasure. It was interesting to see that the FIX alliance which was basically my idea and instigation lasted so long.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.21 01:27:00 - [245] Originally by: Ginger Magician It was interesting to see that the FIX alliance which was basically my idea and instigation lasted so long. That one made me smile for a long time actually. Ship lovers click here
Silinary Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.21 03:38:00 - [246] Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 21/08/2006 00:47:01 Edited by: Ginger Magician on 21/08/2006 00:46:39 Old memories.I enjoyed my time in Querious and although those days are long since past and I went on to much greater fame and glory I stil remember those times with pleasure. It was interesting to see that the FIX alliance which was basically my idea and instigation lasted so long. Huh ... .and here I always thought it was Nez's doing. No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:51:00 - [247] Originally by: Ginger Magician It was interesting to see that the FIX alliance which was basically my idea and instigation lasted so long. hehe... thats the funniest thing I've read in a long time... it would be more accurate to say that you were one of the main factors that might have stopped it getting off the ground in the first place. Ascendancy, the corp you were in at the time had been trying to get a joint defense channel (I remember Aeon and Sergi tried several times) to operate for quite a while, just as Fantus has suggested in his post. The idea of a joint defense channel was NOT a new one for Querious. The problem it never got off the ground until the Querious Defence Force (QDF), was because every effort till that point had been characterised by political overtones and the intent of scoring political points over other Querious corporations or even with the direct intention of overthrowing Black Avatar. Efforts by Ascendancy were intended to exclude Black Avatar from the equation, I remember very well being at sekrit meetings where things like kicking Black Avatar out of Querious was suggested, meetings usually chaired by yourself Ginger Magician. QDF was about getting everybody in Querious to work together for Querious not for one corp or another, it was a community effort. Ascendancy eventually, in no small part due to yourself, found that its pride got in the way of your participation and so you left or got kicked out depends who you talk to. QDF was the first genuine military, non-politcal attempt to do something for the inhabitants of the region as opposed to an attempt to overthrow FA, CFS or Black Avatar. Thats why it succeeded, because it was a good thing at heart.. something everybody could see contained no malice or rotten motivations. It connected the two timezones in Querious, US timezone corps and Euro timezone corps... who to that point did not really get on. It took 2/3 months of hard work to get the relevant parties (eventually the founding members of FIX), to agree to the project.... ... and if you don't mind, out of courtesy, for the time I spent on it, I'll take some amount of credit for spending un ungodly amount of hours getting the show on the road, despite the stubbornness and pride of some of the Querious inhabitants... my god where you a difficult bunch. It was very easy for anybody to come up with an idea for a joint defense channel for the multidude of corps that lived in Querious.... what was nigh impossible was to get them all to work together in a coherent successful manner. And only the QDF managed that. Also I think it was too much of a special thing for any one person to have the cheek to say "It was my idea". QDF was born because it was a necessity, and everybody that came out and fought for the QDF in those early days and subsequently deserves credit for its success.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:18:00 - [248] Edited by: Nez Perces on 21/08/2006 12:19:32 From memory (wish I had the original copy), this is the original blueprint for the QDF, that was given to Yodaron for the green light and then touted around every corp in querious through many many personal house calls to corp CEO's. ------------------------------------------------------- BLUEPRINT for Joint Military Defence Foce. (later named QDF) - Non-political military entity, the prime directive is to provide a defensive framework for Querious Corporations and the defense of Querious Conquerable stations, irrespective of who holds them. - Chain of command, initially to be composed of officers with the rank of Admiral. 1st Admiral, 2nd Admiral.. (The first FIX Admiral was Cougar One and I believe the second was Boldyn, 3rd was Heavyg) - Creation of Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCoS), to act as liasons between the chain of command and the corporations participating. The role is to oversee the development of the project. [The initial JCoS came from Black Avatar(Sheppard), JHENR(Nez Perces), Dark Centuri (Droewa), Ascendancy (Shortlived), Imperium Technologies (Avernus)] - Creation of a Joint Chat Channel for pvp pilots only. - All military engagements to take place on TS. (sounds silly.. but you would be surprised how many times Querious gangs did not happen on TS in those days) - Initial operations to be limited to the A2-pipe, the camping of A2- is discouraged. ------------------------------------------------------- And thats the recipe that formed the PVP backbone for FIX and I believe still does.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.21 16:17:00 - [249] And to think Ginger Magician was the architect of QDF! Great posts, Nez. Yes, the basic proposal is as you have printed and the command structure as you stated. It was a wonderful idea at the time and still a wonderful idea today. I am told the image is properly sized now. Can you confirm please?
Nyssa Dakalsai Cosmic Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.21 16:32:00 - [250] Originally by: Silinary ... and ehre I thought good 'ol Maxy quit playing. waves He has, hes doesnt play anymore, good job really. Hes letting his fame cloud his judgement. Sad really, has no idea what hes doing anymore

Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.21 16:39:00 - [251] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 21/08/2006 12:34:10 From memory (wish I had the original copy), this is the original blueprint for the QDF, that was given to Yodaron for the green light and then touted around every corp in querious through many many personal house calls to corp CEO's. ------------------------------------------------------- BLUEPRINT for Joint Military Defence Force. (later named QDF by Yodaron actually) - Non-political military entity, the prime directive is to provide a defensive framework for Querious Corporations and the defense of Querious Conquerable stations, irrespective of who holds them. - A rapid response unit to military threats is the primary objective. - Chain of command, initially to be composed of officers with the rank of Admiral. 1st Admiral, 2nd Admiral.. (The first FIX Admiral was Cougar One and I believe the second was Boldyn, 3rd was Heavyg) - Creation of Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCoS), to act as liasons between the chain of command and the corporations participating. The role is to oversee the development of the project. [The initial JCoS came from Black Avatar(Sheppard), JHENR (Nez Perces), Dark Centuri (Droewa), Ascendancy (Shortlived), Imperium Technologies (Avernus)] - Creation of a Military Channel for pvp pilots only. - All military engagements to take place on TS. (sounds silly.. but you would be surprised how many times Querious gangs did not happen on TS in those days) - Initial operations to be limited to the south of the A2-pipe , the camping of A2- is discouraged. ------------------------------------------------------- And thats the recipe that formed the PVP backbone for FIX and I believe still does. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.21 17:49:00 - [252] Originally by: Nyssa Dakalsai He has, hes doesnt play anymore, good job really. Hes letting his fame cloud his judgement. Sad really, has no idea what hes doing anymore Thats rubbish, I got a mail from him the other day and he is online right now..... No need to wave to max, methinks .. he is right here on this thread isnt he nyssa...
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.21 19:41:00 - [253] I ♥ maxypoos!
S3VYN Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.21 23:44:00 - [254] Ginger created FIX... Al Gore created the internet... It's all the same... :D .: DEAD AND LOVING IT :.
Nyssa Dakalsai Cosmic Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.22 09:04:00 - [255] Edited by: Nyssa Dakalsai on 22/08/2006 09:04:43 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Nyssa Dakalsai He has, hes doesnt play anymore, good job really. Hes letting his fame cloud his judgement. Sad really, has no idea what hes doing anymore Thats rubbish, I got a mail from him the other day and he is online right now..... No need to wave to max, methinks .. he is right here on this thread isnt he nyssa... Yeah i know, was bored and high last night... <3 little maxy pooh
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:11:00 - [256] Originally by: Avernus The talk of Frantik, while I didn't know who he was at the time (I was never on the opposite side of the fence from him), sounds exactly like another pilot who used to be around the Querious area, Cyther. Seriously, if you see him, he's hostile (which is likely), and he's looking for you, just get the hell out of dodge Cyther is still around. We just completed a war dec against Ominous corp and their alliance (Ethereal Dawn) actually. Saw Cyther a couple times. Even saw Madcap Magician a couple times after Finite Horizon entered the war. Please visit our website here
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:24:00 - [257] Originally by: xenodia Originally by: Avernus The talk of Frantik, while I didn't know who he was at the time (I was never on the opposite side of the fence from him), sounds exactly like another pilot who used to be around the Querious area, Cyther. Seriously, if you see him, he's hostile (which is likely), and he's looking for you, just get the hell out of dodge Cyther is still around. We just completed a war dec against Ominous corp and their alliance (Ethereal Dawn) actually. Saw Cyther a couple times. Even saw Madcap Magician a couple times after Finite Horizon entered the war. Not surprising considering Ominous Corp. spawned Madcap, Cyther, Levin, etc. They were the meat and potatoes of Ominous for a long time and probably still have second accounts in Ominous. Package deal: Attack one, get the other. I am told the image is properly sized now. Can you confirm please?
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.24 20:59:00 - [258] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: xenodia Originally by: Avernus The talk of Frantik, while I didn't know who he was at the time (I was never on the opposite side of the fence from him), sounds exactly like another pilot who used to be around the Querious area, Cyther. Seriously, if you see him, he's hostile (which is likely), and he's looking for you, just get the hell out of dodge Cyther is still around. We just completed a war dec against Ominous corp and their alliance (Ethereal Dawn) actually. Saw Cyther a couple times. Even saw Madcap Magician a couple times after Finite Horizon entered the war. Not surprising considering Ominous Corp. spawned Madcap, Cyther, Levin, etc. They were the meat and potatoes of Ominous for a long time and probably still have second accounts in Ominous. Package deal: Attack one, get the other. I know. I told our Intel people exactly that when we were discussing accepting the contract. I was actually surprised Madcap didnt go back to Ominous after he got done with his pirating stint in MoO. Please visit our website here
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.24 21:04:00 - [259] Originally by: xenodia Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: xenodia Originally by: Avernus The talk of Frantik, while I didn't know who he was at the time (I was never on the opposite side of the fence from him), sounds exactly like another pilot who used to be around the Querious area, Cyther. Seriously, if you see him, he's hostile (which is likely), and he's looking for you, just get the hell out of dodge Cyther is still around. We just completed a war dec against Ominous corp and their alliance (Ethereal Dawn) actually. Saw Cyther a couple times. Even saw Madcap Magician a couple times after Finite Horizon entered the war. Not surprising considering Ominous Corp. spawned Madcap, Cyther, Levin, etc. They were the meat and potatoes of Ominous for a long time and probably still have second accounts in Ominous. Package deal: Attack one, get the other. I know. I told our Intel people exactly that when we were discussing accepting the contract. I was actually surprised Madcap didnt go back to Ominous after he got done with his pirating stint in MoO. No, what amazes me is that FZN took their time away from CS:Source to come and party with you folks. Glad to see they are still active in Eve. As for Madcap, he, like Cyther, Levin, Endless, etc., just like to blow stuff up. FZN is more adept at that process given it has no restrictions on who or what to blow up. I am told the image is properly sized now. Can you confirm please?
Serge Amarr Nun Amun Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:32:00 - [260] Had much fun reading these posts bout the natives of JK-FIX, Delve and Period - ol¦ CFS - and its neighbours (FA, SA) and FOEs (CA, various rat corps and single rats). What i recall from these times was for once the "political level" at which war decs were accompanied at this time. Accusations of brutality and inhumanity were shot at each others! cool accompanied by endless discussions of who was wrong or right ... just to haveing said "its war and we gonna kill ya all" Interesting times were these, definitly! Cool fights side on side with cool mates - Aeon thx for keeping me alive so many times hehe and thx to a bunch of others aswell - many of em have already posted here! Fighting the -mostly- small groups of roaming hostiles in and around JK-FIX (aka Querious) was one of coolest times I had in eve besides the CA wars .. although action nowadays is quite ok, too eheh --- Mahlzeit, s¦gibt Bohnen mit Speck

Carth Jared Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.22 21:38:00 - [261] Nez for prez. **** even rhymes
Turas Kain Minmatar Dark Moon Industries	Posted - 2006.09.22 23:33:00 - [262] I've not read over this entire thread, just skimmed across bits of it. Has to be said though, just looking at those old style maps brings a flood of old memories. Sweet times indeed :)


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