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Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:22:00 - [151] Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/07/2006 19:22:46 Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Nez: Excellent post. You are almost 100% correct, but the small percentage that is not does not really matter in the scheme of things. heh, thanks, I'm a stickler for facts... I'd love to hear which items of what I wrote are slightly off-centre from your point of view ...
Garramon Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:15:00 - [152] Edited by: Garramon on 31/07/2006 20:15:38 Here is a link to some of the maps prior to JF's versions. The "latest" 0.90 is back when BoB only claimed Delve. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=162964 ------------------------------------------------
Jarra Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:18:00 - [153] A trip to Tpar would Rock with all the old crews :) -- Diplomacy is like saying "nice doggy" until u can find a bigger rock:)
Edison Frisk Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:53:00 - [154] Originally by: TornSoul Originally by: Edison Frisk Maybe all us ex-PB residents should go on a road trip together sometime, would be interesting Would that include me? I did live in the damn place (un-interupted) for more than 6 months + a bit more time here and there as well Of course mate at the end of the day its water under the bridge n all that, hmmm a trip to tpar-g, BRING YOUR BOOKMARKS FOLKS! (oh and beer, depending on the quantities consumed we may end up a little off course in paragon soul but it'll still be fun) Heck in the old days we could have all had a pop at the station for old times sake where as now its a logistical to take a single shot.
Ace Frehley Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:56:00 - [155] Lets go to T-par!!! I got over 200 items left there.... DJ you take command I will be nude as usuall..... BBCODE:
G'ulSera Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 22:18:00 - [156] Originally by: Ace Frehley Lets go to T-par!!! I got over 200 items left there.... DJ you take command I will be nude as usuall..... Same here ace.... eh... about the items part For Blood and Honour The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty
papaPadla Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 18:55:00 - [157] Im only talking about PB Pretty much what thornsoul said... BUT i was soooo ****ed more than once when some random pirate corp took the station... CFS took it back and then 1 guy from FA came and claimed it back. FA never actually holded PB... but bcouse FA was a force... everyone was happy to let them have the stations... so we dont get into a situation where stations changed hands everyday In any case... what ppl seem to miss here is the fact that CFS never wanted to be a regular alliance... CFS was just a nice dream... and as all dreams died when we grew older BOB took the stations just to deny FA the income and finally got some stabilty back to the region... Nothing resembling an alliance or even a strong corp has ever spawned from PB as most ppl that ever lived there wanted to make a buck not spend it fighting I think it should be noted that a couple jumps from tpar MC holds a few systems and they even built an outpost there... and is sovereign MC space... not BOB -------------------------------------
TornSoul BIG Fountain Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.01 20:46:00 - [158] Originally by: papaPadla Nothing resembling an alliance or even a strong corp has ever spawned from PB as most ppl that ever lived there wanted to make a buck not spend it fighting Uh... I beg to differ (as will those corps I'm sure). Several very good corps originated and grew (strong) from PB - Most (not all) ended up joining FA when they "outgrew" PB. COLSUP, HUN's, DKOD (not 100% sure if they started in PB...) and a few others... BIG Lottery [u
Toqua Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.01 23:16:00 - [159] Well... I was at that time in Friendship 7, part of StA, later, because we don't liked the way StA was driven by Leadership, we were as what today would be called 'residents' in Delve... In our opinion, StA was sent forward from CFS to take the first station in Delve.... and they did... and then sh*** hitted the fan. FA came down on us so hard, it was not funny... Delve was the first 0.0 experience for a LOT of us, practically most corps saw it as a 'nursery' to get used to 0.0, so we died in drenches.... FA was _demanding_ that everyone who wanted to get out, made a statement about this in Eve-o, and then got a week to get the hell out of there... Damm... I miss this old times... T.
viceman Without Reason	Posted - 2006.08.02 00:50:00 - [160] Originally by: papaPadla Im only talking about PB Pretty much what thornsoul said... BUT i was soooo ****ed more than once when some random pirate corp took the station... CFS took it back and then 1 guy from FA came and claimed it back. FA never actually holded PB... but bcouse FA was a force... everyone was happy to let them have the stations... so we dont get into a situation where stations changed hands everyday In any case... what ppl seem to miss here is the fact that CFS never wanted to be a regular alliance... CFS was just a nice dream... and as all dreams died when we grew older First of all cfs didn't get it back dsma took teh station every time ca took it and we even secertly napped them and out of all of the the only people who fought the ca invasions were black lance and bs.i not even the whole corp once it was just me dj lighting and 1 other guy fightign 30 Ca dudes --------------------- They see me rollin They hatin Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty

Katjia Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.02 04:36:00 - [161] lol this is fun going down memory lane...only cfs thing i have to claim is old fix day(aka the 1 day cease fire in the region and following tourny).....lets see other memories....huge cfs fleet sitting at a station not shooting at it cus some one said wait, all the pvpers getting p.o. ....uhhhh lets see that m0o guy running for pres and people actually thinking about it....still have some of the old cfs "laws" saved some where in the deep down dark depths of my hd. and MUC reigniting the cfs ca war cus of a dumb pilot. But as a side note cfs experiment was not a bad thing i think just look at the corps the pilots are in now that were apart of it. Some killer corps out ther now. btw yoda you rocked back then from what i can remember...btw i think alexandra belani and her husband are playing again they can fill in some history about right when cfs hit the can. and if any one can resurect couch monkey from where evr he went can fill in the old old history about jk-fix area. gah i am rambling I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 07:43:00 - [162] I still remember Katjia flying down to Querious to side with CFS during the war to shoot at those 'FIX' guys... oh the wonderful confusion Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.02 07:47:00 - [163] Edited by: Loka on 02/08/2006 07:49:33 Edited by: Loka on 02/08/2006 07:47:43 Well a lot of wrong intel about StA aka Star Alliance, residents of Delve it seems. Let me clear it up a bit for you. First a lot of Corps in StA back then were former corps of the CFS alliance, who were sad about the non combat apeacement policy of CFS. So most of the corps were infact pvp Corps, like Adeptus Gattacus was. Back then we were one of the bigger corps in StA with, lets say good influence on the course of the alliance policy. Back than i again began to influence the "heads" of the alliance, to create a CFS with PvP core. I loved the idear of a free space open for all trades and all corps, but with a good military. I started some programms, which CFS never had. Like weekly fee for member/corp in alliance, which took me almost 2 months to convince every vote in the senate A min of pilots every corp has to send to fight duty on a daily base I created something like a Navy for the alliance, with steady income from the alliance for replacements. Until StA was destroy i counted around 20 active pilots in that navy with daily dutys. Practice excercises with good fitting, not what CFS were used before And lot more i cant remember. I was very proud of it and we grew on a daily bases, getting stronger and stronger. For me it was enough to be resident, i didnt wanted any station to be honest, but with power also greed had grown. The people started to ask, why we wouldnt took the stations, where we actually living and using this money for defense propouse. Well i had some diplomatic contact with FA back than, also Tornsoul and i didnt liked the way i was treated. Iam not a dog, so i started to change my views, where i before honored and thanked FA for providing us with military assistance, i started to dislike them. I tried 1 months to convince them that it would have been in their interests having a relativly strong alliance, at their south borders defending the regions and border for them without them needing only one ship. Well imo they didnt want to loose their income of the station. I saw the ownerships as a monumental for corps to defend the region with maximum effort, where FA saw only ISK. Well plans were made and i was sure we would stand a chance. The problem was FIX never was a factor i calculated with. WHY? Well i was in controll of every single combat pilot and i told the senate, whatever we do in DELVE, BA and FIX are the right owner of Querious. Period. No discussion here at all and they had to aggree or i would have left them doing their ** alone. And they did. FIX never was a wartarget nor was Querious in any question who the right owner was. Let me tell you i was very supprised that FIX start a preventive assault, which caught me unpreppared and splitted our forces. No chance for StA to fight a two border fight against a mighty FA and a mighty FIX. We was annihilated in few weeks, even some minor forces tried to fight back. I had really good friends in FIX, that good, that even in wartimes we denied shooting at each other. Well things happend and battleplans never survive the first day. Thats the story. Attacking FA and taking was decided, after MACE former FA members roamed around pirating in DELVE, with dockingrights and FA started to treat me and our diplomats like little childs. We decided that dieing with a little bit of honor was a better choice than living as 2nd CFS under that conditions. Too bad we were very badly coordinated with DSMA. If we would have had fought together it could have lasted longer probably. CFS never was a force i calculated in this war, even when they brought good numbers to this war. Well numbers aint anything. Take this as it is written, because it is what happend and what the intensions back than were. honor > isk _________________________ Iam back**
mama guru Gallente Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.02 09:35:00 - [164] Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Randay I miss those days. This game has becoming increasingly more depressing and upsettings in the last few months. I have felt this as well, was thinking of the CFS days just recently No capitals, no pos wars back then. Man... those were the days, those were the days. -space reserved for some cool looking non political image-
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:29:00 - [165] Originally by: Katjia lol this is fun going down memory lane...only cfs thing i have to claim is old fix day(aka the 1 day cease fire in the region and following tourny).....lets see other memories....huge cfs fleet sitting at a station not shooting at it cus some one said wait, all the pvpers getting p.o. ....uhhhh lets see that m0o guy running for pres and people actually thinking about it....still have some of the old cfs "laws" saved some where in the deep down dark depths of my hd. and MUC reigniting the cfs ca war cus of a dumb pilot. But as a side note cfs experiment was not a bad thing i think just look at the corps the pilots are in now that were apart of it. Some killer corps out ther now. btw yoda you rocked back then from what i can remember...btw i think alexandra belani and her husband are playing again they can fill in some history about right when cfs hit the can. and if any one can resurect couch monkey from where evr he went can fill in the old old history about jk-fix area.gah i am rambling Kat, the "dumb" pilot was an alt of Gravedancer's. He was stuck in CA space and had been since before MUC joined CFS. He logged him in to get passage out and CA, not really needing any excuse as they proved by attacking within a month or so of signing a treaty with CFS when I was President, started hostilities with CFS for the 3rd time. Hard to blame Grave for this one, honestly, although the forum posts on this topic from CA folks were pretty hilarious. The M0o guy running for president of CFS was Stavros. He was probably backed by Ends. Nice post, and good information. Those were indeed some fun times. In closing, thank you for contributing to this post and thanks for the compliment. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 16:37:00 - [166] Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.
Silinary Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:28:00 - [167] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. His corp did Join SA .. while he was still president in CFS. He was jsut a member in Solarflare, not the CEO. The CEO made the decision and that was that. People at the time didn't notice it, or didnt' care. I rememebr asking him about that in a convo at one time hehe. As for FIX's involvement and the CFS fleet. As I understand it to this day, the CFS fleet could have gone strait to delve and PB without ever fighting FIX. That area down there is a 3 way jump ... 1 through the a2 pipe, 1 to delve, 1 down into Q proper. The FIX fleet sat in defence of the direction to Q proper. Teh CFS forces, instead of going to delve, decided to engage the FIX fleet.... thier loss. From then on, FIX was hostile to CFS and it's allies. God it's been a long time since then ... and I'm still down in Querious wtf? Never been into the north ... ever ... No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:37:00 - [168] Originally by: Loka Well plans were made and i was sure we would stand a chance. The problem was FIX never was a factor i calculated with. WHY? Well i was in controll of every single combat pilot and i told the senate, whatever we do in DELVE, BA and FIX are the right owner of Querious. Period. No discussion here at all and they had to aggree or i would have left them doing their ** alone. And they did. FIX never was a wartarget nor was Querious in any question who the right owner was. Your mistake was failing to establish a dialogue. The corps who founded FIX were largely interested in creating an entity that could control the region. It was a very inward-looking alliance. Originally by:** Loka Let me tell you i was very supprised that FIX start a preventive assault, which caught me unpreppared and splitted our forces. No chance for StA to fight a two border fight against a mighty FA and a mighty FIX. We was annihilated in few weeks, even some minor forces tried to fight back. QDF seized its chance. CFS failed to relinquish its claim over Querious and it was 100% CFS's fault not to cede Querious after fighting broke out. You can blame both Conrad and Liquidcool for that. They were given the opportunity and they blew it. Originally by: Loka I had really good friends in FIX, that good, that even in wartimes we denied shooting at each other. Well things happend and battleplans never survive the first day. Thats the story. o/ Loka - how's your singing? Yeah, ultimately Star and DSMA failed to unhook themselves from a sinking turkey (CFS). You would have been surprised at how much anti-FA sentiment there was within FIX at the time.
Machiavelli7 Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:40:00 - [169] Originally by: Silinary As for FIX's involvement and the CFS fleet. As I understand it to this day, the CFS fleet could have gone strait to delve and PB without ever fighting FIX. That area down there is a 3 way jump ... 1 through the a2 pipe, 1 to delve, 1 down into Q proper. The FIX fleet sat in defence of the direction to Q proper. Incorrect Sil. I was in that fleet. We.. uh... blocked the route to all 3 regions.
Nez Perces Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.02 20:56:00 - [170] Originally by: Machiavelli7 Incorrect Sil. I was in that fleet. We.. uh... blocked the route to all 3 regions. heh yep... infact if we wanted to go into further detail.... the first shot was fired by a QDF admiral...Heavyg. By some strange coincidence he was also in Black Avatar...but I wouldnt read anything political into that, HeavyG was a trigger happy guy. Anyways.. there was no going back after that first shot was fired.. and certainly not when the next day CFS/UFS attempted to storm Querious and take the stations by force with a lot of Krom pilots in tow.

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:02:00 - [171] Can't blame Heavy for opening up. My understanding was that CFS frigates had been hanging about 150-200km off the gate where the main QDF fleet was... then they turned on their mwd's and nosedived right at the fleet. What was coming next was fairly obvious at that stage; safeties off. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:04:00 - [172] Originally by: Avernus Xenodia, I tend to agree with your feelings from that time period. Those CFS corps that did end up leaving and moving into JK-FIX were generally involved in leadership at various points in CFS history. A lot of people held it against us that we had left the CFS... but there honestly is only so much of the Senate that any sane person can handle. Yoda ofc, is in BA; Percy was in IT, he actually ended up quitting Eve just after we left the CFS when his term in office ended. The experience had drained all the fun out of the game for him. CFS was a great idea, a wonderful dream, but as you say, the structure wasn't there. It really was inevitable that the CFS wouldn't amount to anything over time; the more you were involved in the politics, the clearer the future. With so few CFS corps interested in actually moving into CFS space, it was time to move on. When we arrived in JK-FIX, we were absolutely sick of alliances, we wanted nothing to do with them again. All the corporations down there were fiercely independant, but at the same time, they were ten times as willing to work together and build a region and a community worth settling down in. I remember all to well. I also recall the extreme feelings of lonliness in the CFSN corp chat when it was Araviel, myself, and a couple others as the only ones that ever signed on and did anything. And I remember patrolling "the pipe" in my scorpion, by myself a lot of the time, once BA and the others left. Originally by: Avernus ...I wonder if Gravedancer is still around? Oh the character is still around, but its not the original owner behind the screen. TNT Killboard
xenodia Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:10:00 - [173] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Yes, xenodia, that is true. I was responding specifically to the CFSDF statement, not my prior involvement in CFS, which was both sweet and sour. Reading your various posts I have to say I am very glad you posted. Your knowledge has helped me to remember many things I have forgotten or otherwise did not know. Convo me sometime and I will tell you why BA, one of the creators of CFS, left when it did and why we brought some of the others with us. I look forward to hearing from you. If I searched hard enough, I could probably find the original chatlogs of you explaining the decision to me at the time :) I might even still have a database backup of the old cfs forums. The storm that was started when you guys left was quite amazing and should be good for a laugh. It was like a monkey crap fight at the zoo, but with less organization. TNT Killboard
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:40:00 - [174] I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:54:00 - [175] Originally by: Dianabolic I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D where u in CFS too High-Sec/Low-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.02 23:26:00 - [176] Originally by: vicemanwe even secertly napped them [:pirate: I knew it!!
Edison Frisk Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.02 23:34:00 - [177] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. Thanks mate, point him to this thread too for a good read and trip down memory lane, from what I rememeber after discussing it with him he was a little ****ed about the whole politics thing and said he wanted to play the game rather than be stuck in the station with endless convo's - I don't think he had undocked for weeks at a time
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 03:47:00 - [178] great thread to read about PB and delve. To bad i have never been to those areas other than one time when the CFSDF lead by Pastor Wallace decided to turn on FA and try to attack the stations. I called for all of my corp members to pull out of the Gang and remove the CFSDF tags from bio. the conflict was ended quickly when pastor saw he did not have the backing he thought he did. God i was such a noob back then.. wait i'm still a noob. Shortly after Nez and I went to Yoda separately but on the same day with the idea of the QDF. Nez being a much more ambitious pilot than i got the ball rolling very quickly and i rode his coat tails all the way... WEEEE \o/ luv you nez. Through these fields of destruction. Baptisms of fire. Ive watched your suffering. As the battles raged higher. they hurt me so bad In the fear and alarm. You did not desert me, my brothers in arms!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 04:04:00 - [179] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Dianabolic I remember sitting on the old CFS teamspeak ganking people in JK-FIX on my pirate alt if that makes any difference :$ I guess I could un-mothball her for a showing :D where u in CFS too CFS was terrible for intel leaks... no I take that back, 'terrible' doesn't do it justice, it was more like a travesty of oversights. CFS leaders did realise this to some extent, and did quite a bit of their decision making on Ventrillo as time progressed. As things brewed away at the upper levels, and plans were being discussed, my access into their upper forum levels was revoked (I used to have full uninhibited access)... they then moved UFS leadership discussions into a little used area that had been setup sometime earlier for discussions between a couple of representatives from independant Querious corporations and the CFS leaders. Thing is, they forgot to remove that part of my and another persons access.... plus the other person who had access there also knew the forum owner. Everything that was ever written on the CFS forums, was known by others outside the CFS. PS. Thinking about it, someone had mentioned to me that Gravedancer had started up a new character, I never found out who that character is though. o/ to you if you're reading this. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.03 14:08:00 - [180] Originally by: Edison Frisk Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Edison Frisk What happened to Conrad?? I seem to remember him starting all this off attacking the stations and dissapearing to solarflare in stain. . . . Viva La CFS!! (gonna get flamed for that one - ♥ Liquid!) Edison, sorry I missed this one. Conrad became very frustrated with the mechanics of the CFS structure. Even though he tried to fix much of what was wrong, his frustration ultimately overcame him and his corp did move to Stain area and, I think (but could be wrong), joined Stain Alliance. Conrad left the game shortly after that. By the way: I still occasionally speak to him on MSN messenger. I will tell him you were inquiring about him. Thanks mate, point him to this thread too for a good read and trip down memory lane, from what I rememeber after discussing it with him he was a little ****ed about the whole politics thing and said he wanted to play the game rather than be stuck in the station with endless convo's - I don't think he had undocked for weeks at a time That is the same thing that drove me from the game, but now I have been sucked back in. Hope that fixed it, if not, let me know.



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