Their directors know that themselves and the base membership is truly terrible at EVE, that's why they try to skew the numbers and focus solely on numbers as MoA has nothing to else to show for when it comes to achievements, assets or victories in the game of null sec politics.

Translation: MoA had very good numbers, but Goons made 300 of them ragequit.

They are, just make sure to check MoA forums out to see the anger about it. You are acting as if you don't know that MoA is the lowest entity on the whole null pecking order. It's literally an entity which instructs it's members to keep ship losses to certain levels (i.e. no losses over 50m ISK) because only thing they can sell to their core membership is the illusion of being good at PvP through killing AFK ratters.

Their directors know that themselves and the base membership is truly terrible at EVE, that's why they try to skew the numbers and focus solely on numbers as MoA has nothing to else to show for when it comes to achievements, assets or victories in the game of null sec politics.

Man for man MoA has better players.

Translation: MoA has very good numbers, but Goons are better in unmeasurable, opinionated stuff.

What's the purpose of owning Sov and structures in space?

The fact that Goons and their minions rat more than literally anyone else proves without doubt that Goons and their minions want to rat.

Whoever stops them from ratting takes something important from them. And MoA - even by your words - is very good in doing that.

Translation: MoA has very good numbers, but Goons are better in unmeasurable, opinionated stuff.

While the Goon propaganda brigade can shout as loud as they can "we don't give a damn for dead ratters", the fact that Deklein is the #1 ratting region and Branch is the #2 in nullsec testifies otherwise. The fact that Goons and their minions rat more than literally anyone else proves without doubt that Goons and their minions want to rat.

Whoever stops them from ratting takes something important from them. And MoA - even by your words - is very good in doing that.

No, they do not have very good numbers at all. Your so called method of measurement is very much flawed, however even if one takes your measurement as fact (which it isn't) one will see that in any occasion that whatever MoA fought could shoot back, MoA lost the field and the engagement. MoA directors scream and shout at their line members in order to keep their losses below for instance, 50M per hull, because they are very well aware that MoA's any shot at claiming to be not terrible at something lies within cooking up the killboard stats. Basically, what they do is cook up the stats with AFK ratter kills and then be terribly risk averse at their own actions that involve actual PvP, which involves engaging ships that shoot back at you.

This is why MoA does not have and never had a line doctrine. This is why MoA can never hold any field against any opponent that can shoot back.

The ultimate measurement in null is the ability to project power and being able to hold control of assets and space that generate income at both individual and organizational levels. MoA has struggled and failed in the past many times to do the above, but every time they tried, they were stomped to the ground. On the other hand, what GSF and CFC can do needs no explanation here. You cannot cook up numbers with these.

There is only one thing MoA is semi competent at: It is finding excuses for being at the bottom of the food chain in null and not being able to hold onto and control any assets and power. It is hilarious to watch MoA to come up with ~independence~ narrative for instance, when they couldn't hold sov or any structures in space, for that matter. They can't form up and defend even a single POS.

MoA is the laughing stock of anybody who is a serious player in null. They are a joke. Even our traditional enemies in the classical sense chuckle themselves when they hear about MoA.

This is why MoA and you Gevlon, is a perfect match in my opinion. You should join and carry the ticker, instead of waiting for a day you'll get accepted into GoonWaffe. (As you have been told before, you are never getting in) After all, much like MoA, you have been playing EVE for quite some time now and you have so far failed every goal you have publicly set for yourself maybe except for trading in a station.

You and MoA are a match made in heaven.

Why would MoA, an alliance the fraction or your coalition's size, attack you when you have so many more numbers?

Gevlon claims he is untouchable but I would argue that he has been hit by goons the hardest of all. He wakes up in the morning and thinks about goons. Goons wake up and dont think about him.

They attack us because they are mad about video games. Same reason Gevlon spend hours and hours poring over killmails and typing up posts and charts and spending hundreds of billions of isk. Mad about video games.

But for everything, there are consequences. Take insurgents like PASTA and MOA for example. PASTA had an agreement with the CFC once as did Black Legion. PASTA got a pocket to rent out in Delve and probably some moons too. They had stable, reliable income and didnt even have to blue anybody, we sold supers to Black Legion at better than forums prices and they had a pocket in Querious to rent out.

Then somebody got mad in a video game and they threw it all away. Same for MOA. Who really suffers? The leaders dont suffer, they probably use alliance coffers whatever they may be to support their accounts and needs anyways. The line members lose sovereign space to make isk in, get told they need to go run incursions on a highsec alt or something, sorry boys no srp this month.

All because some guy got mad in a video game. Meanwhile, life goes on in a stable CFC. I have 19 billion liquid isk in my wallet at the moment. Thinking about buying another character, maybe not. have a capital pilot, have a subcap pilot, have an afk ishtar pilot, dont need money but I run my ratter if I'm not playing another game while watching for interesting fleets/pings.

Never lost a ship ratting, never been ganked in highsec, never been killed by a wartarget and there are tens of thousands, just like me, in the CFC. Lost a lot of ships on fleets and in 0.0 wars, all reimbursed by my space guild. Unaffected by wars, wardecs, insurgents, charts, graphs or killmails.

So if I ever do get killed or ganked I wouldnt get mad about a video game theres no reason to

No, they do not have very good numbers at all. Your so called method of measurement is very much flawed, however even if one takes your measurement as fact (which it isn't) one will see that in any occasion that whatever MoA fought could shoot back, MoA lost the field and the engagement. MoA directors scream and shout at their line members in order to keep their losses below for instance, 50M per hull, because they are very well aware that MoA's any shot at claiming to be not terrible at something lies within cooking up the killboard stats. Basically, what they do is cook up the stats with AFK ratter kills and then be terribly risk averse at their own actions that involve actual PvP, which involves engaging ships that shoot back at you.

This is why MoA does not have and never had a line doctrine. This is why MoA can never hold any field against any opponent that can shoot back.

The ultimate measurement in null is the ability to project power and being able to hold control of assets and space that generate income at both individual and organizational levels. MoA has struggled and failed in the past many times to do the above, but every time they tried, they were stomped to the ground. On the other hand, what GSF and CFC can do needs no explanation here. You cannot cook up numbers with these.

There is only one thing MoA is semi competent at: It is finding excuses for being at the bottom of the food chain in null and not being able to hold onto and control any assets and power. It is hilarious to watch MoA to come up with ~independence~ narrative for instance, when they couldn't hold sov or any structures in space, for that matter. They can't form up and defend even a single POS.

MoA is the laughing stock of anybody who is a serious player in null. They are a joke. Even our traditional enemies in the classical sense chuckle themselves when they hear about MoA.

This is why MoA and you Gevlon, is a perfect match in my opinion. You should join and carry the ticker, instead of waiting for a day you'll get accepted into GoonWaffe. (As you have been told before, you are never getting in) After all, much like MoA, you have been playing EVE for quite some time now and you have so far failed every goal you have publicly set for yourself maybe except for trading in a station.

You and MoA are a match made in heaven.

They attack us because they are mad about video games. Same reason Gevlon spend hours and hours poring over killmails and typing up posts and charts and spending hundreds of billions of isk. Mad about video games.

But for everything, there are consequences. Take insurgents like PASTA and MOA for example. PASTA had an agreement with the CFC once as did Black Legion. PASTA got a pocket to rent out in Delve and probably some moons too. They had stable, reliable income and didnt even have to blue anybody, we sold supers to Black Legion at better than forums prices and they had a pocket in Querious to rent out.

Then somebody got mad in a video game and they threw it all away. Same for MOA. Who really suffers? The leaders dont suffer, they probably use alliance coffers whatever they may be to support their accounts and needs anyways. The line members lose sovereign space to make isk in, get told they need to go run incursions on a highsec alt or something, sorry boys no srp this month.

All because some guy got mad in a video game. Meanwhile, life goes on in a stable CFC. I have 19 billion liquid isk in my wallet at the moment. Thinking about buying another character, maybe not. have a capital pilot, have a subcap pilot, have an afk ishtar pilot, dont need money but I run my ratter if I'm not playing another game while watching for interesting fleets/pings.

Never lost a ship ratting, never been ganked in highsec, never been killed by a wartarget and there are tens of thousands, just like me, in the CFC. Lost a lot of ships on fleets and in 0.0 wars, all reimbursed by my space guild. Unaffected by wars, wardecs, insurgents, charts, graphs or killmails.

So if I ever do get killed or ganked I wouldnt get mad about a video game theres no reason to

Gevlon claims he is untouchable but I would argue that he has been hit by goons the hardest of all. He wakes up in the morning and thinks about goons. Goons wake up and dont think about him.

He sits down at his keyboard and checks the killboards and mails from the night before to see if theres anything juicy. He commutes to work in the morning and is thinking about what to write for his daily post.

Throughout the day at work he checks killboards and forums. Constantly thinking about what to say, what to do, what to post. He gets home from work and puts together a post about goons. Some take longer than others and some can take many hours.

Many hours of research about goons. He updates his orders and makes out his contracts because its become routine, a finely tuned system for making isk. Isk itself is meaningless at this point. It has no value except purchasing power. The EVE Online endgame of Titans is out of his reach because he can never trust an alliance again, can never trust another player again. They have hurt him, they have betrayed and stolen from him, they have scammed and deceived him.

But he will get his revenge, he will show those who despised and rejected him that he is not a man to be trifled with. So he goes on, day after day, plotting, scheming and thinking about goons, and how he can hurt them for hurting and rejecting him.

Untouchable

Oh Mordus you almost had a good thing going then you had to lose those dreads and zero out that efficiency

I have 19 billion liquid isk in my wallet , ... have an afk ishtar pilot

Without ratters, Sov is just empty space that eats CONCORD costs.

Why would MoA, an alliance the fraction or your coalition's size, attack you when you have so many more numbers? Of course they're going to go after ratters and other ships. What else would you do. Have you ever read a history book? You seem like the type of person that would benefit greatly.

Here you go:

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=mao+zedong+book+guerrilla+warfare&tbm=shop

Not a big fan of Mao but he has some decent stuff in there.

It's funny when people bring up the "it's guerilla warfare" argument. A tiny group shooting a large one is not automatically guerilla warfare. Kids throwing rocks at an off duty soldier isn't guerilla warfare. MoA shoot ratters so they can say "look at all the isk we killed, we're ending goons, honest", but it's all just posturing.

The thing is, MoA have explained before that they play for fun. They aren't going to be engaging in guerilla warfare because they don't think internet spaceships is serious business. They want to enjoy the game and they want their members to enjoy the game and they will do what they need to to make that continue. So they'll shoot ratters and they'll get into the odd fight with CFC forces, but they aren't committing everything to it and they aren't going to force their members into the hundreds of ops it would take to cause serious damage.

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CFC members are obviously not eligible.

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"your argument is bad because MoA isn't throwing themselves on their sword fighting us."

Yeah you're clueless.

"your argument is bad because MoA isn't throwing themselves on their sword fighting us."

Yeah you're clueless.