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Amyclas Amatin
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2014.09.22 11:31:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:What's the purpose of owning Sov and structures in space? If it is to just look at it and say "we own it", then you are right, CFC is great and MoA is ****. Too bad that no CFC leader ever told it and with BoTLord they openly stated that they do not wish to own more.
The only other purpose of having Sov and structures is enabling ISK making. Towers mean moon materials and Sov means ratting space (for members and renters). Without ratters, Sov is just empty space that eats CONCORD costs.
While the Goon propaganda brigade can shout as loud as they can "we don't give a damn for dead ratters", the fact that Deklein is the #1 ratting region and Branch is the #2 in nullsec testifies otherwise. The fact that Goons and their minions rat more than literally anyone else proves without doubt that Goons and their minions want to rat.
Whoever stops them from ratting takes something important from them. And MoA - even by your words - is very good in doing that.
Dear Gevlon,
I shall rat and earn 20 billion isk before you can spend your 20 billion isk. And I don't have a tenth of the alts you have, or half the brains to trade as well as you.
The money will be well spent in supers to ensure Goon supremacy in New Eden.
Yours,
Amyclas For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
27
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:03:00 -
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We actually stomped the goons last night in a heads up fight... without thier ability to cyno blob us... we killed them all and pushed them off grid and chased them out of system where they had to jump out using 4AB JB
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No idea why later some people decided to field dreads
We do like to PvP..we dont live in the middle of the CFC if we did not like to kill them. We are the last entity in the north that is fighting them.
When they use their numbers to camp us... we just move over top another system and attack from there..its no big deal.
I think you have to understand, that we are alone in the north, in the middle of CFC and goons, and we tend to come out ahead in most cases. I think if the situation were reversed, most of your CFC groups would fold under the pressure. In a 1v1 your CFC groups are substandard..as shown by the C02 vs MOA war dec...we are handily beating them down now at 5b killed vs 2b lost.
I think the goon "propoganda" has gotten to your goonie heads. The data does not support that we are bad in anyway, in fact we are a very capable small gang alliance, that faces huge odds against us, whilst being surrounded by the enemy.
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William Ruben
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
57
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:53:00 -
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grr grr |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4275
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:01:00 -
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MASSADEATH wrote:When they use their numbers to camp us... we just move over top another system and attack from there..its no big deal. Yup, I guess it's no big deal... except clearly from the responses of your members it is. It's OK to just close your eyes and pretend nobody cares, but clearly it matters to some people a fair bit.
MASSADEATH wrote:I think you have to understand, that we are alone in the north, in the middle of CFC and goons, and we tend to come out ahead in most cases. I think if the situation were reversed, most of your CFC groups would fold under the pressure. In a 1v1 your CFC groups are substandard..as shown by the C02 vs MOA war dec...we are handily beating them down now at 5b killed vs 2b lost.
I think the goon "propoganda" has gotten to your goonie heads. The data does not support that we are bad in anyway, in fact we are a very capable small gang alliance, that faces huge odds against us, whilst being surrounded by the enemy. The CFC was at one point in that position, and they became what they did. And most large null groups are pretty easy to kill 1 on 1, that's not how they generally fight, so most of their members are not practiced at that.
The funny thing is though, you can chestbeat all you like, but when it does come to an even fight, you barely scrape by without calling for help. You use pretty cheap fits and punish your members for using anything too blingy to keep your loss numbers down, but MoA really aren't at the top end of the PvP scale.
But obviously it's all just CFC propaganda. Your members are leaving because you're so awesome that their eyes hurt. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:29:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote: "your argument is bad because MoA isn't throwing themselves on their sword fighting us."
Yeah you're clueless.
i am not suprised i need to explain the sky is blue to an en24 writer, but what lucas is accurately saying is that moa survives by not actually being a threat
were they a threat they would get viciously squashed out of hand, like all other threats in our side of the galaxy. however, they survive because they are simply not a real threat: even the massive stationcamp of them is just some bored squads having fun rather than a real effort to kill off MoA (which is why it's so hilarious it's causing so many people to flee MoA)
moa survives by being impotent enough that they are not a strategic concern, so they can have fun killing the odd ratter here and there |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:30:00 -
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MASSADEATH wrote: I think you have to understand, that we are alone in the north, in the middle of CFC and goons, and we tend to come out ahead in most cases. I think if the situation were reversed, most of your CFC groups would fold under the pressure. In a 1v1 your CFC groups are substandard..as shown by the C02 vs MOA war dec...we are handily beating them down now at 5b killed vs 2b lost.
I think the goon "propoganda" has gotten to your goonie heads. The data does not support that we are bad in anyway, in fact we are a very capable small gang alliance, that faces huge odds against us, whilst being surrounded by the enemy.
Let me help you out here and summarize this whole situation.
- MoA like to PVP, and are probably better at it than many Goons. - Instead of just PVPing, you turn your campaign into a perceived "Holy War" against our "goonie heads" with support from Some Irrelevant Guy - Thus, your "campaign" has evolved into a laughing stock because your total damage inflicted on the CFC has been less than the damage we did to ourselves in one day on Vile Rat Day (feel free to run the numbers on this one, tell me if I'm wrong)
What you need to understand is that Goons also like to PVP, which is why we temporarily deployed one squad to your home system. ISK efficiency doesn't come into play whatsoever for us. When you're talking about a coalition, our goals are objective based rather than "we blew up more isk than we lost". We make trillion(s) of ISK per month at the coalition level, so losing 5bil in battleships to a battleship fleet with carrier support is just another day for us. It's especially hilarious when we then get to kill 2 of your dreads after the fact and basically level out the "isk efficiency"
If you, MoA, and Gevlon want to be taken seriously- drop the "holy war" mentality and just PVP and have fun. Sure, there will always be **** talking from all sides. But the way MoA is currently handling themselves, it's more like a yappy pomeranian barking away at a rottweiler- no one likes pomeranians.
Note: we won't ever actually take Gevlon seriously. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
829
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:30:00 -
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to be fair moa also survives by not having anything of value we want
we're pretty much jerks about taking candy from babies and moa is no exception |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
780
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Posted - 2014.09.22 17:54:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:...we temporarily deployed one squad to your home system.
This is one of the best parts of this whole thing.
All this rage, and from our point of view it was just the side project of a side project. Many of the CFC members involved in it were just there to farm Garmur BPCs. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
301
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:37:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote: If you, MoA, and Gevlon want to be taken seriously- drop the "holy war" mentality and just PVP and have fun. Sure, there will always be **** talking from all sides. But the way MoA is currently handling themselves, it's more like a yappy pomeranian barking away at a rottweiler- no one likes pomeranians.
Indeed not. I heard stories about some rabble who didn't have just PvP fun and declaread a Holy War on the alliance holding most of nullsec Band of Brothers. I wonder how that went. I guess they were destroyed by the big and powerful BoB. My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.09.22 19:04:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Note: we won't ever actually take Gevlon seriously. Indeed not. I heard stories about some rabble who didn't have just PvP fun and declaread a Holy War on the alliance holding most of nullsec Band of Brothers. I wonder how that went. I guess they were destroyed by the big and powerful BoB.
Seems like you need a history.lesson.
tl;dr
-BoB invaded Syndicate to camp our new fledgling alliance -We joined RSF and Tau Ceti in a long actual war against BoB
-MoA was a temporary member of the CFC -They were kicked out for contributing quite literally nothing to the coalition ("we want to be completely independent from the CFC but be blue to you") -All they care about is ISK efficiency, because That Matters (tm)
Edit: reminiscing about the days when we used to be "allied" with PL and NC |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
830
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Posted - 2014.09.22 20:52:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote: If you, MoA, and Gevlon want to be taken seriously- drop the "holy war" mentality and just PVP and have fun. Sure, there will always be **** talking from all sides. But the way MoA is currently handling themselves, it's more like a yappy pomeranian barking away at a rottweiler- no one likes pomeranians.
Indeed not. I heard stories about some rabble who didn't have just PvP fun and declaread a Holy War on the alliance holding most of nullsec Band of Brothers. I wonder how that went. I guess they were destroyed by the big and powerful BoB. i, too, remember how goonswarm defeated bob by throwing money at people ganking bob's ratters |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
410
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Posted - 2014.09.22 21:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:"your argument is bad because MoA isn't throwing themselves on their sword fighting us."
Yeah you're clueless. Lol, no, your argument is bad because it typical EN24 style it's not even remotely based on facts. You throw around Guerrilla warfare, because when a small group has absolutely no noticeable impact, it's easy to simply say "it's guerrilla warfare" as if that means that behind the scenes there's something actually happening. The truth of the matter is that most of MoA couldn't give a flying **** who they attack and there's not some covert strategic plan in action. It's a game and they play it for fun.
Every time we get a "Hur Dur EN24 writer!" bawfest take a shot everyone!
Nobody said that anything was going on "behind the scenes." It's funny just to see so many of you guys riled up over someone so supposedly unimportant and irrelevant. Look at you guys defending your space honor.
Retar Aveymone wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote: "your argument is bad because MoA isn't throwing themselves on their sword fighting us."
Yeah you're clueless.
i am not suprised i need to explain the sky is blue to an en24 writer, but what lucas is accurately saying is that moa survives by not actually being a threat were they a threat they would get viciously squashed out of hand, like all other threats in our side of the galaxy. however, they survive because they are simply not a real threat: even the massive stationcamp of them is just some bored squads having fun rather than a real effort to kill off MoA (which is why it's so hilarious it's causing so many people to flee MoA) moa survives by being impotent enough that they are not a strategic concern, so they can have fun killing the odd ratter here and there
Drink!
You know what I think my issue with so many 0.0 mega coalition members is? You're "believers." Like someone that has a republican or democrat bumper sticker on their car and has to share their opinion like anyone gives a flying **** because they're insecure about being heard. You have to come here and let everyone know Goblin isn't bothering you and that MoA isn't an actual threat and defend yourselves with "didn't want X anyway" and "already replaced" comments.
We'll introduce something interesting for you though. Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6195
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Posted - 2014.09.22 21:49:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:"your argument is bad because MoA isn't throwing themselves on their sword fighting us."
Yeah you're clueless. Lol, no, your argument is bad because it typical EN24 style it's not even remotely based on facts. You throw around Guerrilla warfare, because when a small group has absolutely no noticeable impact, it's easy to simply say "it's guerrilla warfare" as if that means that behind the scenes there's something actually happening. The truth of the matter is that most of MoA couldn't give a flying **** who they attack and there's not some covert strategic plan in action. It's a game and they play it for fun. Every time we get a "Hur Dur EN24 writer!" bawfest take a shot everyone! Nobody said that anything was going on "behind the scenes." It's funny just to see so many of you guys riled up over someone so supposedly unimportant and irrelevant. Look at you guys defending your space honor. Retar Aveymone wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote: "your argument is bad because MoA isn't throwing themselves on their sword fighting us."
Yeah you're clueless.
i am not suprised i need to explain the sky is blue to an en24 writer, but what lucas is accurately saying is that moa survives by not actually being a threat were they a threat they would get viciously squashed out of hand, like all other threats in our side of the galaxy. however, they survive because they are simply not a real threat: even the massive stationcamp of them is just some bored squads having fun rather than a real effort to kill off MoA (which is why it's so hilarious it's causing so many people to flee MoA) moa survives by being impotent enough that they are not a strategic concern, so they can have fun killing the odd ratter here and there Drink! You know what I think my issue with so many 0.0 mega coalition members is? You're "believers." Like someone that has a republican or democrat bumper sticker on their car and has to share their opinion like anyone gives a flying **** because they're insecure about being heard. You have to come here and let everyone know Goblin isn't bothering you and that MoA isn't an actual threat and defend yourselves with "didn't want X anyway" and "already replaced" comments. We'll introduce something interesting for you though.
This is what is really happening. We're going to do or say anything that will keep him ripping that paper. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6195
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Posted - 2014.09.22 21:54:00 -
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And literally laughing at him keeps him doing these things. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
830
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Posted - 2014.09.22 21:59:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Drink!
You know what I think my issue with so many 0.0 mega coalition members is? You're "believers." Like someone that has a republican or democrat bumper sticker on their car and has to share their opinion like anyone gives a flying **** because they're insecure about being heard. You have to come here and let everyone know Goblin isn't bothering you and that MoA isn't an actual threat and defend yourselves with "didn't want X anyway" and "already replaced" comments.
We'll introduce something interesting for you though.
i don't really see why anyone would care about what your issue was with us, to be honest, except to the extent it is amusing in its thin bitter rationalizations and we've sort of had our fill from you on those
but i suppose when the best you can offer is "drink anytime someone points out how i have discredited myself and shamed my family and ancestors" and personal stories about yourself to try to avoid admitting the goons are right, you've got to go to post with the posts you have, not the posts you want |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
830
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Posted - 2014.09.22 22:01:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:And literally laughing at him keeps him doing these things. yeah posting in these threads is amazingly effective warfare against gevlon's wallet
so far we've spent zero isk posting in these threads, and wasted something on the order of 100-200b of his money, giving us an isk ratio of infinity
that's some good postin' there |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.09.22 22:03:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Like someone that has a republican or democrat bumper sticker on their car and has to share their opinion like anyone gives a flying **** because they're insecure about being heard
I find this comment in this thread by this poster especially ironic |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Surely You're Joking
410
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Posted - 2014.09.23 00:30:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Drink!
You know what I think my issue with so many 0.0 mega coalition members is? You're "believers." Like someone that has a republican or democrat bumper sticker on their car and has to share their opinion like anyone gives a flying **** because they're insecure about being heard. You have to come here and let everyone know Goblin isn't bothering you and that MoA isn't an actual threat and defend yourselves with "didn't want X anyway" and "already replaced" comments.
We'll introduce something interesting for you though.
i don't really see why anyone would care about what your issue was with us, to be honest, except to the extent it is amusing in its thin bitter rationalizations and we've sort of had our fill from you on those but i suppose when the best you can offer is "drink anytime someone points out how i have discredited myself and shamed my family and ancestors" and personal stories about yourself to try to avoid admitting the goons are right, you've got to go to post with the posts you have, not the posts you want
I'm not even sure what you think you were trying to post. Try again with a coherent thought. Hades Effect /-áConflict Resolution /-áPirate Protection |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4275
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Posted - 2014.09.23 07:07:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Every time we get a "Hur Dur EN24 writer!" bawfest take a shot everyone! Nobody said that anything was going on "behind the scenes." It's funny just to see so many of you guys riled up over someone so supposedly unimportant and irrelevant. Look at you guys defending your space honor. Do you know what riled up is? It's not happening here. All were' doing is pointing out stupid things and collectively laughing. You've chosen to sit on the side of laughed at. Nothing beyond that is occurring.
And there's a reason EN24 writers get a bad rep. It's to do with the god awful quality of posts on that site. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Amyclas Amatin
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:09:00 -
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So I tried to see if I can rat more isk then the Goblin trades, and found that the goons took all the sites. Some nutcase has 4 carriers in my system and started saying that all the havens are his.
Grr Goons... For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
833
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Posted - 2014.09.23 15:03:00 -
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i am pleased to see that in gevlon's latest blog he too agrees that moa are like babies and that we are evil for taking the candy from their chubby little hands and watching their pinchable cheeks redden as they sob wailing for their candy back
of course it's evil, that's the point |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
406
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Posted - 2014.09.23 16:34:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:And literally laughing at him keeps him doing these things. yeah posting in these threads is amazingly effective warfare against gevlon's wallet so far we've spent zero isk posting in these threads, and wasted something on the order of 100-200b of his money, giving us an isk ratio of infinity that's some good postin' there
I'm sure it's more, I couldn't find any mention of it on his blog recently though. Then count the money he gave to TEST directors, mercs and anything else I don't remember. .
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Eyrun Mangeiri
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
24
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:13:00 -
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Does every post of Gevlon's blog now include a donate button?
Also, what is so bad about being a toy ;( I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2328
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:09:00 -
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Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4277
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Posted - 2014.09.23 20:24:00 -
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Sigh... The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1343
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Posted - 2014.09.23 22:14:00 -
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"Almost" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades, Lucas.
Congratulations on your promotion, Ezwal. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6197
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:17:00 -
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Notice how almost all of the posts removed are the ones that shoot Gevlon's logic full of holes? Since you're the Rear Admiral now or whatever Ezwal, here's a helpful tip: Just because someone claims to be offended by a post does not mean the post is offensive. Gevlon has openly stated that posts which don't support him are ones that he finds offensive. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Amyclas Amatin
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:25:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Notice how almost all of the posts removed are the ones that shoot Gevlon's logic full of holes? Since you're the Rear Admiral now or whatever Ezwal, here's a helpful tip: Just because someone claims to be offended by a post does not mean the post is offensive. Gevlon has openly stated that posts which don't support him are ones that he finds offensive.
I was just comparing my earning power with Gevlon's spending power, and the fact that my biggest obstacle in ratting are the effing carriers everywhere!!! For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6197
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:27:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Notice how almost all of the posts removed are the ones that shoot Gevlon's logic full of holes? Since you're the Rear Admiral now or whatever Ezwal, here's a helpful tip: Just because someone claims to be offended by a post does not mean the post is offensive. Gevlon has openly stated that posts which don't support him are ones that he finds offensive. I was just comparing my earning power with Gevlon's spending power, and the fact that my biggest obstacle in ratting are the effing carriers everywhere!!!
Get a ratting carrier then you poor. Also I'm pretty sure people can't claim site types, it's first come first served. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2124
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Notice how almost all of the posts removed are the ones that shoot Gevlon's logic full of holes? Since you're the Rear Admiral now or whatever Ezwal, here's a helpful tip: Just because someone claims to be offended by a post does not mean the post is offensive. Gevlon has openly stated that posts which don't support him are ones that he finds offensive. Something like 5 of the posts removed where the ridiculously spergy posts made by a couple of CFC ratters I felt compelled to respond to, so.....can't say I particularly disagree with the moderation in question. Tbh, I've mostly been avoiding posting in this thread because it's been going in circles for a while now.
Also "discussing moderation" and all that. |
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