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Diivil
Magellanic Itg
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:19:00 -
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Videos explain this better than words so take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7P8TS-s59U Pandemic Legion testing this way back in early 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbDa446BUzs Pandemic Legion attempting this on a Solar titan also in early 2013 but Titan is able to jump out. This was the first and probably the only time PL tried to do this on TQ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB5EcXko2vs NC. killing a Southern Federation Titan. In this one the titan gets bumped so hard that it bumps again from the POS structure to go outside of the shields.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oaO0Wl0xGk Second angle from the same kill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqcID5PBLBk CFC testing this on Sisi. As you can see in the first bump the target titan is as deep inside the shields it can be to be able to still bridge out people who are outside the shields and that does not help him at all.
Two titans have been confirmed to being killed like this (the one above and Mister Vee's) and it's pretty much safe to assume a third one was done in by it as well but there's no solid proof of that.
The method is quite simple:
0) Wait until the target titan opens a bridge so he can't jump out.
1) Warp your cyno close to the shields near the target titan. The cyno will appear 5km away from the shields.
2) Jump in your own 15+ titans and hope one of them appears close enough to the target titan or is bumped towards the shields.
3) Target titan inside the shields gets hit by one or more of the titans that got lucky and gets bumped 3-4 km/s and will exit the shield within 10-15 seconds (fast enough so that if his bridge is up he can't jump out).
4) Titan is now outside the shields and you volley it with doomsdays.
CCP clearly isn't punishing people for doing this so are we all assuming this isn't an exploit then? This tactic has now been used numerous times on TQ with at least 3 successful titan kills and there has been no comment about it from CCP. This is not something that's new either, it has been public knowledge for about 2 years now. The only reason people were not using it from day one is because they realized that something like this shouldn't be allowed and were afraid of getting banned. This has now changed by CCP's inability to take action.
A titan that is 2500m from the shield edge inside a POS is not safe either. Cyno appears 5000m away from the shields and ships that jump to it appear in a sphere 2500m away from the cyno. This means the closest ship to the outside of the shields will be 2500m from the edge even if they don't get bumped on jump in.
The biggest Titans are 18 and 17.8km long. If a Leviathan gets a lucky jump in and appears 2500m from the shields it will penetrate 9000-2500 = 6500 meters inside the shields. That means if your titan inside a POS is less than 6500m away from the shield edge it is still theoretically possible to bump it. Of course it's starts to be more and more unlikely the more in to the shields you get which is why all these titans that have been killed have been at the "bridging position" or less than 2500m from the shield edge.
And by the way penetrating in to the shields has already been ruled as an exploit when people did it with 100mn MWDs in cruisers and going so fast that the were able to bump things inside shields before server realized what was going on and ejected them.
Worth noting is that CCP also reimbursed a titan that was bumped out from a small POS where it is physically impossible for a titan collision sphere to be fully inside the shields.
Note that moving the cyno spot 10km instead of 5km away from the shields would most likely not even solve this problem. In the first CFC test clip the Avatar that goes flying directly in to the shields would have bumped the target titan even if the cyno had been 10km away from the shields.
In simple terms this also means that it is impossible to safely use titan bridges now. Either you are too close to the shield edge that you risk getting bumped out or you are safe from the bumps but have to give out the POS password to your fleet.
Since CCP is so reluctant to answer if this is allowed or not I think it's safe to assume that if this thread gets locked or deleted they agree it's an exploit (because you are not allowed to post exploits on this forum). But if it stays open even without a CCP answer it's a legit tactic and we can all go bowling some titans together. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:22:00 -
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The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:24:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter
I thought the film killed John Carter.
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The Groundskeeper
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:29:00 -
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CCP refused to do anything about the original POS bowling scandal until Goons did it, so I guess that they will turn a blind eye until one of their pals on the other side of the map finds himself moving at 4km/s out of the shields despite having been entirely inside them seconds earlier.
And even when they accept that people were exploiting, and in a way that they said that they could detect (lawl) and that they would ban people for, it will turn out to depend on who those people are.
The hilarious bit is the ******** GM replies about "you cannot bridge without putting part of your titan outside the shields this is behaviour by design hurf blurf". Thus showing how many of them have ever opened a bridge. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter I thought the film killed John Carter.
Oops I meant Howard Carter lol
Silly me
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Aranek
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:35:00 -
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I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sure that a large portion of people actively involved in skirmishes around New Eden would appreciate to hear the official stance from CCP regarding this matter.
The lack of disapproving GMs going "tsk, tsk" makes this seem like a CCP sanctioned way to play the game. I'll opt to keep my personal opinion to myself, but an official take on the matter would be more than welcome! |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6144
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:50:00 -
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CCP declared this to be an exploit months ago.
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Cebraio
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:52:00 -
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Even worse: This "creative use of game mechanics" (read: exploit) only hurts the small entities.
Corporations and small alliances who cannot tackle and kill the hostile titans after they have used this, can only stand by and watch. It also has a greater economical impact on them. |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:04:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP declared this to be an exploit months ago.
None of the titans killed with this method have been reimbursed so it can't have been declared as exploit. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:04:00 -
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Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are, demanding that they answer your questions when you know full well they never will and about unfair life is, why not just use the tactic yourself but really really really use it.
After all CCP have made it quite clear now that this is not an exploit so get over it, get there and use and abuse it.
I am pretty sure after a few more (lots and lots) of titans go pop when they are with theirs PoS they will listen.
Of course the other option is that they also believe the mantra "Death to All Supers"  so they couldn't care less , either way the best Titan is a dead Titan
DEATH TO ALL SUPERS |
Cebraio
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
415
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:21:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are ...
Regarding your tinfoil: I only see two goons so far, in support of the OP (and one against him) and we have not been called here. There just happen to be many of us interested in this game.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
11448
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:22:00 -
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The Groundskeeper wrote:The hilarious bit is the ******** GM replies about "you cannot bridge without putting part of your titan outside the shields this is behaviour by design hurf blurf". Thus showing how many of them have ever opened a bridge.
Did they really say that?
Jesus christ.
Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
11448
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:24:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are, demanding that they answer your questions when you know full well they never will and about unfair life is, why not just use the tactic yourself but really really really use it.
After all CCP have made it quite clear now that this is not an exploit so get over it, get there and use and abuse it.
Except they've specifically said that it is an exploit.
Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:27:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are ... Regarding your tinfoil: I only see two goons so far, in support of the OP (and one against him) and we have not been called here. There just happen to be many of us interested in this game.
No tinfoil. I have seen a number of posts made on Reddit regarding this very subject.
As far as I can tell, this has happened 3 times now and on each occasion a petition was raised and no Titan was reimbursed.
Now even the most semi intelligent person would figure after the 3rd petition was rejected that CCP appear to have no issue with this.
Taking that into account
Go do that voodoo that you do so Well !!!! |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are, demanding that they answer your questions when you know full well they never will and about unfair life is, why not just use the tactic yourself but really really really use it.
After all CCP have made it quite clear now that this is not an exploit so get over it, get there and use and abuse it. Except they've specifically said that it is an exploit.
Where?
Like I said before, this has happened 3 times now (to my knowledge) and a petition was raised on each occasion, each one being rejected.
If CCP have stated that this is indeed a exploit in a Dev Blog then I totally agree it is bollocks of the highest order and people who have lost their Titan should be reimburse and those involved should be banned.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:33:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are, demanding that they answer your questions when you know full well they never will and about unfair life is, why not just use the tactic yourself but really really really use it.
After all CCP have made it quite clear now that this is not an exploit so get over it, get there and use and abuse it. Except they've specifically said that it is an exploit. Where? Like I said before, this has happened 3 times now (to my knowledge) and a petition was raised on each occasion, each one being rejected. If CCP have stated that this is indeed a exploit in a Dev Blog then I totally agree it is bollocks of the highest order and people who have lost their Titan should be reimburse and those involved should be banned.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-forcefield-access/?_ga=1.14562356.2038385626.1407772043 |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6145
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:34:00 -
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Diivil wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP declared this to be an exploit months ago. None of the titans killed with this method have been reimbursed so it can't have been declared as exploit.
Here, hit CCP with this & get your silly spacewangs reimbursed,
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Cebraio
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
415
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:38:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Diivil wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP declared this to be an exploit months ago. None of the titans killed with this method have been reimbursed so it can't have been declared as exploit. Here, hit CCP with this & get your silly spacewangs reimbursed,
Did you follow the latest incident? A petition was raised and this exploit notice was mentioned in it. Yet CCP decided that it would not apply in this case (or in any of the mentioned cases). |
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:39:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Diivil wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP declared this to be an exploit months ago. None of the titans killed with this method have been reimbursed so it can't have been declared as exploit. Here, hit CCP with this & get your silly spacewangs reimbursed,
Vee's petitions went on for over 3 months and in the end he was not reimbursed. That link among many others were mentioned from what I heard. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:39:00 -
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Exploit =/= Reimbursement
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:41:00 -
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Thanks to Dave Stark and Mallak Azaria for the links.
After reading the link they have kindly provided I can not see how this is not a exploit so long as my understanding is correct and that the Titans were completely in the PoS shields.
As such not only should those who have lost Titans be reimburse (as much as I like seeing Titans die) but all those involved should receive at the very least an official warning if not a ban since they knew what exactly they were doing.
CCP really need to get their **** sorted but I suspect that this thread will soon be locked as all the others have
However my point still stands that the only way CCP will ever do anything is if the mechanic is abused on a large scale so with that you guys need to go on a kill a load of Titans sitting in PoS's and when people cry just point them to their own kills and tell them to HTFU |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:47:00 -
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Things shouldn't have to happen on a large scale for rules to be enforced. |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:49:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:However my point still stands that the only way CCP will ever do anything is if the mechanic is abused on a large scale
While it's true that CCP only ever do things when they absolutely have to, they shouldn't post so-called "exploit notifications" if they don't intend to follow up on them. They especially shouldn't write things like "fully visible in server logs" or "will result in appropriate action taken" if this isn't actually logged or if the appropriate action is "do nothing".
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6148
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:50:00 -
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GM Roulette strikes again. What are the odds?
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:51:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:GM Roulette strikes again. What are the odds?
magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good". |
Immortal Chrono Pimpin
Big Rifters Inc.
110
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:54:00 -
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Its an exploit to bowl for the titan of you dont have the pos pw, But if its bridging with impunity logic dictates it should become a valid target.
I atleast hope ccp sees it that way. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:54:00 -
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Guys we all know there are many things CCP should and shouldn't do however CCP have a long history of not acting until somebody abuses a mechanic on a large scale.
We also know that when it comes to things like this all posting usually results in is a lot of threads being locked.
As I said, I completely agree its bullshit, hwever if you guys were to go a Titan killing spree then its a win win scenario.
If CCP do not relent then lots of dead enemy titans = Win
If CCP do relent you get your Titans reimburse and force CCP to acknowledge their own rules = Win |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:56:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Guys we all know there are many things CCP should and shouldn't do however CCP have a long history of not acting until somebody abuses a mechanic on a large scale.
We also know that when it comes to things like this all posting usually results in is a lot of threads being locked.
As I said, I completely agree its bullshit, hwever if you guys were to go a Titan killing spree then its a win win scenario.
If CCP do not relent then lots of dead enemy titans = Win
If CCP do relent you get your Titans reimburse and force CCP to acknowledge their own rules = Win
and then when they ban you for using a known exploit multiple times? |
Prince Kobol
2162
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Posted - 2014.09.12 10:59:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Guys we all know there are many things CCP should and shouldn't do however CCP have a long history of not acting until somebody abuses a mechanic on a large scale.
We also know that when it comes to things like this all posting usually results in is a lot of threads being locked.
As I said, I completely agree its bullshit, hwever if you guys were to go a Titan killing spree then its a win win scenario.
If CCP do not relent then lots of dead enemy titans = Win
If CCP do relent you get your Titans reimburse and force CCP to acknowledge their own rules = Win and then when they ban you for using a known exploit multiple times?
Yet apparently it is not an exploit otherwise the first Titan would of been reimburse, those using the exploit would of been banned and the 2 other Titans would not of died. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.12 11:02:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Guys we all know there are many things CCP should and shouldn't do however CCP have a long history of not acting until somebody abuses a mechanic on a large scale.
We also know that when it comes to things like this all posting usually results in is a lot of threads being locked.
As I said, I completely agree its bullshit, hwever if you guys were to go a Titan killing spree then its a win win scenario.
If CCP do not relent then lots of dead enemy titans = Win
If CCP do relent you get your Titans reimburse and force CCP to acknowledge their own rules = Win and then when they ban you for using a known exploit multiple times? Yet apparently it is not an exploit otherwise the first Titan would of been reimburse, those using the exploit would of been banned and the 2 other Titans would not of died.
that link says otherwise.
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